1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: We know that this situation with the deaths in custody 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: has meant that there has been a real spotlight in 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: recent days on police. Northern Territory MP Marion Scrimdaw calling 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: for the Australian Federal Police last week to take over 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: the investigation into the Alice Springs death in custody, saying 6 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: it was a first step towards healing and justice. Then, 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: as we have just discussed, of course with Naja, a 8 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: second death in custody following the passing of a sixty 9 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: eight year old man after he was taken into protective 10 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: custody by AFP officers and was initially conveyed to the 11 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: Palmerston Watchhouse. He passed away of course at Royal Darwin 12 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: Hospital sometime later days later. Now joining me on the 13 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: show is Nathan Finn, the president of the Northern Territory 14 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: Police Association. Good morning to you, Finny, Good. 15 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 2: Morning Katy, and good morning to your listeners. 16 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: Finny. What are members saying to you following the two 17 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: deaths in custody. 18 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, Katie, I understand why your text 19 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: lines blowing up after that last interview. There's some frustrations 20 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: in the community and again, there's rhetrics out in the 21 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 2: community that don't know exactly what's occurred, and there's investigations 22 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: going on into that fact. We acknowledge the deep tragedy 23 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 2: the recent deaths in custody. There are distressing events and 24 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: no one, including a members of the police force, ever 25 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 2: want to see this occur. Katie. The Northern Church Police 26 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 2: Association is actively supporting the officers involved in the Allow 27 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: Springs incident. Whilst obviously these matter remain under investigation and 28 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: the other investigation as well involving the Australian Federal Police 29 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: also an investigation being appropriate mid comment further on on 30 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,839 Speaker 2: the investigation as such, but the fact is, the rhetric 31 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: that's out there about him stealing a chocolate bar and 32 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 2: that sort of stuff, it's a tragedy that's occurred. Our 33 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 2: members didn't want this to occur. They felt that they'd 34 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 2: had to intervene because of the situation that was unfolding 35 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 2: in front of them. Violently attacking a security guard is 36 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 2: the reason why our members become involved and had to 37 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 2: take action. 38 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: Finny, as you have said, obviously want to be very 39 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: careful here in what we say. Have you spoken to 40 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: those members following following the Alice Springs deep in custody here. 41 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 2: Katie, as soon as we've got notification on the twenty 42 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 2: seventh of May, myself and that my fellow field officer 43 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 2: Todd Limbery traveled to Ollie Springs and to support the 44 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 2: members involved in the process. Even though there's a lot 45 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 2: of members involved in the process that actually attended the 46 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 2: incident in coals, it's still a stressful situation regardless of 47 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 2: if they've done anything wrong or haven't done anything wrong. 48 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 2: The investigation will look into that side of things. We're 49 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 2: there to support our members, to make sure that they're 50 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 2: supported in going through the process. It's not a nice process, Katie, 51 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 2: to go through an interview and be directed interview for 52 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 2: your involvement in the situation, regardless of what you thought 53 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: was right or wrong. There's still obviously that perception that 54 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: there's potentially something that they're going to look at, and 55 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 2: we don't want to see that. We don't want to 56 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: see our members go through that situation. We don't definitely 57 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: the members involved didn't want to didn't anticipate that this 58 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 2: would ever occur. But again, we can't go to a 59 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 2: situation knowing what the behavioral instincts of this person is 60 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 2: we haven't got that information. We have to react with 61 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: in split seconds, and our officers did that to protect 62 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 2: a member of the community that was under threat from 63 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 2: this situation. 64 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: What do you say to the calls, you know, people 65 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: asking for the security vision to be released or CCTV 66 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 1: vision to be released. 67 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, Again, that's a decision for the Northern Territory 68 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 2: Police Force and a decision for the investigators to conduct that. 69 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 2: That's the investigation they're running. We don't have any saying 70 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 2: that what the investigation is. Again, if there was information 71 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 2: suggest that, and if they could, they probably would have 72 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: released it. What we're indicating is that and we're supporting 73 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 2: our members the best possible way we can and advocating 74 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 2: for them to make sure they're supported throughout this whole process. 75 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 2: It's a tragedy. It is a tragedy. I've reached out 76 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 2: to members of the community. I've worked in UNIMR community. 77 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: I understand the family issues there. This person was supposed 78 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 2: to be in the care of someone, he wasn't in 79 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 2: the care of someone, and this is unfortunately led to 80 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 2: what's what's occurred. Our members are quite rightfully frustrated. They're 81 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 2: danned if they do dan, if they if they don't. 82 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 2: They can't walk past something that's occurring like this. They 83 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 2: have to become involved even though they're not equipped to 84 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 2: deal with it at the time. They haven't got police radio, 85 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: they haven't got anything else to deal with it. They 86 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 2: still have to respond and they still have to put 87 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 2: their life on the line as well in responding to 88 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: make sure the community is safe. 89 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: Finny, we know that, Marian Scrimdaw said. The investigation by 90 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police of previous previous death in custody of 91 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: nineteen year old Cumen Jai Walker following a police shooting 92 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: in Yuan Demu in twenty nineteen demonstrated the agency's integrity 93 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: and independence, but many of those involved in the investigation 94 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 1: experienced ostracism, and the trial and coronial journey has resulted 95 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: in resentment amongst officers and others from within the Northern 96 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: Territory Police. Do you think, based on what she's said there, 97 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: that there does need to be an independent investigation. 98 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 2: I fully agree we don't need an independent investigation. It's 99 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 2: not necessary at this time. Katie. We've seen time and 100 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 2: time again where our members have been held when they've 101 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 2: done something wrong, held responsible and criminal actions being obviously portrayed. 102 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 2: And when you talk about the Cuman Joe Walker, that's 103 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 2: a prime example. After three days one of our members 104 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 2: was arrested and obviously ultimately resulting his acquittal later on 105 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 2: in a Supreme court. But we've seen this time and 106 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 2: time again. Our members are subjected to if they step 107 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 2: outside the boundaries in the realms of which they are 108 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 2: entitled to work in, they are held responsible. They are 109 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 2: put before the court where the court will make a 110 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 2: decision on their criminality. 111 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: And it is for that reason that you've got the 112 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: confidence of the Northern Territory Police to investigate these two situations. 113 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 2: Definitely, Katie, and the investigation's got to take place. And 114 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: all this rhetoric in the community space telling what we 115 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 2: should do, what we shouldn't do. Let the people that 116 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 2: are experts in this field investigate the matter. If there's 117 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 2: any criminality to what's occurred, they'll be held responsible and 118 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 2: the members deemed to have committed those offenses will be 119 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 2: held responsible in the court. Competent jurisdiction will make a 120 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 2: determination on that. 121 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: Finny, I am going to move along because we know that. 122 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: Yesterday the Chief Minister, who's also the Northern Territory Police Minister, 123 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: Leafanocciaio fronted budget estimates Now you yesterday said that the 124 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: Chief Minister continues to dodge any responsibility for the consent 125 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: agreement negotiations, brushing off concerns as Public Service Minister Joe 126 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: Hersey's problem and said a minister who can barely articulate 127 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: what's even been put on the table for police when 128 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: asked about it in Parliament. Has a pay agreement been 129 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: signed off or what's the go because I know that. 130 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: It also said that your own acting police commissioner is 131 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: signing off on payoffers that fly in the face of 132 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: his own public statements. 133 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, correct, Katie, and this is an ongoing incidents. The 134 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 2: negotiation has been going on since the first of February. 135 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 2: We're still going through. We received the second offer from 136 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 2: government as late of the fifth of June last week, 137 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: so we'll received that reverview that we've rejected that simple 138 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: because they still have departmental housing to be removed from 139 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 2: police officers in Darwin. 140 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: So we've said so it's all the housing at this point. 141 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 2: And it's the pay as well, it's definitely a whole package, 142 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 2: and they're they're tailing it as a whole package. We've 143 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 2: got negotiations continuing this afternoon in respect to that, and 144 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 2: these are ongoing. Our members are frustrated. They want to 145 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 2: have a fair pay deal that represents the danger that 146 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: they face every single day. So our advertisements and everything 147 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 2: they're coming out from the Northern Churchary Police Association is 148 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 2: showing that we're not just the normal public sector staff. 149 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 2: We face the danger every day. We're running towards the 150 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 2: danger every day, and it means that we have the 151 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: emotional scars that come across the trauma that we deal 152 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 2: with on a daily basis. We're not your normal public servant, Katie. 153 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 2: Our members are struggling. They have been struggling for a 154 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 2: number of years being under resource and our members are 155 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 2: quite frustrated and they want the respect that they so 156 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 2: fairly deserve. 157 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: So, Finny, what's on the table at the moment? Is 158 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: it three point five percent? Did I read that correctly? 159 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 2: It's around three point three seven percent? What it is 160 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 2: we want to get it over to the national average, 161 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 2: which we're seeing nationally averages over five percent. And I've 162 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 2: said that before on this radio program. We've said this 163 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 2: to the negotiation team negotiating on behalf the government as well. 164 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 2: We want to see at least that to come across 165 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 2: per year, per annum for our members, to make sure 166 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 2: that we enter into a deal that personally I accept. 167 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 2: If I won't accept the deal, why would I expect 168 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 2: my members to expect that deal as well? And we 169 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 2: need to make sure that we're presenting the whole of 170 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 2: the membership in this pay fight and to make sure 171 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 2: that they're well renumerated for what they do. 172 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: Finny, before I let you go, The government today announcing 173 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: a twelve month trial from the first of September to 174 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: allow prooved members of the public to carry low percentage 175 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: OC spray. What do you make of it? 176 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 2: Where do you start? What the actual Like? I woke 177 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 2: up this morning to this, so I had no knowledge 178 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 2: of it, haven't had any discussions with government about it, 179 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 2: haven't hadny discussions with police about it either. It's just 180 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: disappointed we're not going to sold or a brief by 181 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 2: the government prior to any of these announcements. We have 182 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 2: a number of serious concerns and questions about and we 183 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 2: need urgent clarification about what they're proposing. Potentially who has 184 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 2: access to it. How do we know who's got access 185 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 2: to it, who's got lawful access to it? The fact 186 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 2: that this significant training in using the OC spray and 187 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 2: it's often used against you and aggravates a situation as well, Katie. 188 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: So they say, from what I can read or from 189 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: what I have been told, that it is obviously a 190 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 1: lower percentage. It's what's used in Western Australia at the 191 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: moment as well. Apparently in WA they're able to use 192 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 1: it there. Look, I've got to tell you someone who 193 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: goes running on my own quite often, if I was 194 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: confronted by somebody, I feel like it would at least 195 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: give me something to defend myself. 196 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 2: They have pros and have comes and not totally against it, 197 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 2: but again we want further information about how this is 198 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 2: going to work. Again, we're supposed to be reducing crime, 199 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 2: not actually arming the public to assist with reducing the crew. 200 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: Do you reckon it? Could see you know that crime 201 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 1: escalate or issues escalate. 202 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 2: With any can con trol weapons such as OC spray. 203 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 2: It's going to come in the hands of people that 204 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 2: don't have the authority to have it. It's also going 205 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 2: to open up to the members of the public who 206 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 2: use it in relation to assaults committed if they weren't 207 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 2: justified to use it. Who investigates that? Being police, what 208 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 2: decontamination process we go through. We're strictly trained in the. 209 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: Use of it. 210 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 2: We have a use of force report that goes through. 211 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 2: It's also checked at a number of different levels across 212 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 2: the organization, with oversight of the Professional Standards Command as well. Again, 213 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 2: I've seen situations where oc spray hasn't worked on certain people, 214 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 2: it's actually aggravated the situation and puts you in further danger. 215 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 2: So we've got to be mindful of that as well. Again, again, 216 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 2: I don't disagree with it. I don't totally disagree with it, 217 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 2: but I'd like to see further. 218 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: Information about and I think that's fair enough. 219 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 2: Details person and our members don't want to see this 220 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 2: falling into the hands of criminals and offenders using it 221 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: against our police and use it against other people. We're 222 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 2: already seeing the use of deoda and cans et cetera, 223 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 2: sprayd in people's faces to steal their car keys, to 224 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 2: steal their handbags. We're already seen this action in the public. 225 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 2: And if you don't think that this is going to 226 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 2: be in the hands of offenders out in the public, 227 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 2: it's going to be very shortly. 228 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: Okay, well, Finny, no doubt, plenty more to discuss on 229 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: that topic. The text line is going off on this one, 230 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: and so we will continue this discussion. It is always 231 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: good to have you on the show. Really appreciate your 232 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: time this morning. 233 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 2: And also Katie, it is First Responder's Day and we're 234 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 2: saying thank you to our first responders. We've provided a 235 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 2: number of coffee shops across the Northern Territory where our 236 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 2: first responders can drop into and we're supporting them, just 237 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 2: like to obviously pass on thank you to the arch 238 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 2: Energized Cafe there in Yarrawonga, Maidens Lane and Catherine Bayleaf 239 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 2: Cafe and Tenant Creek, and also Yay's Cafe and Alice Springs. 240 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 2: So we're supporting our first responders today to say thank 241 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 2: you and the shouts on us. We're providing kappas and 242 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 2: coffee and that sort of stuff to our first responders 243 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 2: out in the community to say thank you on behalf 244 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 2: of the Northern Territory Police Association and keep doing what 245 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 2: you do to keep the community safe. 246 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Nathan Finn, president of the Northern Territory Police Association. 247 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: Good to catch up with you mate, Thank you, thank you.