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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners.

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Speaker 2: Now, Chief Minister, will there be any real changes here

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Speaker 1: What I would like to say, Katie, is that we've

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Speaker 2: View seeing that vision on you know from the from

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Speaker 1: Is there going to be change in this space? So Katie,

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Speaker 2: Now, Chief Minister. Just moving on to another topic, isolation.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So it will be changed from this afternoon after

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Speaker 2: you've done your five days of isolation, just two days with.

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Speaker 1: A mask, correct, Katie. And that is on the advice

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Speaker 2: Now, I do want to ask you, following on from

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Speaker 1: So there was an acknowledgement at the Jobs and Skills Summit,

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Speaker 1: this can impact a range of occupations. But we're committed

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Speaker 2: Over three weeks and at the moment the price has

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Speaker 1: So, Katie, I've seeking some further advice now that I've

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I think the CLPS do to bring in

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Speaker 1: Aren't that the next sittings? Is it something that the

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Speaker 1: So, Katie, there certainly is action from my part in

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Speaker 2: He wants to know why is the government looking at

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Speaker 1: Are we seriously going.

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Speaker 2: To see a situation where the federal government could overturn

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Speaker 1: So this is in relation to Lee Point and the

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Speaker 1: So we do have strong processes and this development has

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Speaker 2: This just another situation where it's a group of people

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Speaker 1: No, Okatie. I think this is a little unique in

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Speaker 2: I'm just reading between the lines there, and it does

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Speaker 1: No, Katie, that's certainly not what I'm trying to come across.

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Speaker 1: And present. There's quite a large area out there. You've

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Speaker 1: So exactly where the birds are. Is there any way

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Speaker 1: that we can manage this with, you know, in terms

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Speaker 2: And so would that mean stopping future development on that area?

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Speaker 1: No, Katie, My understanding is that the planned development areas

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Speaker 1: are clearly outlined. As I just said, there is some

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Speaker 1: So could that development area be reduced, Katie, This is

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Speaker 1: It's important. It's been long identified since the nineties and

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Speaker 1: birds that are quite rare have moved in.

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Speaker 2: All right, Chief Minister Natasha Files, we better leave it there.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: It is just after nine point thirty coming your way.

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Speaker 2: Next we're going to be speaking to the CEO of

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Speaker 2: Hospitality NT Alex Bruce.