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Speaker 1: Now, last week, as we know, there were killed kids

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Speaker 1: spoken to the Northern Territory News. Now joining us in

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Speaker 1: the studio this morning is the Chief Minister of the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory Evil All. A good morning to you, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time this morning now, Chief Minister.

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Speaker 1: The principal of the school has spoken to the NT

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Speaker 1: News and it's apparently one of three incidents that the

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Speaker 1: school has faced. What are you doing to support the

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Speaker 1: school is who is obviously having to deal with violent

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Speaker 1: offenders who've got nothing to do with them getting on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a Catholic school, so it's a non government school.

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Speaker 2: So the Northern Territory Government obviously registered non government schools

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Speaker 2: and we have a registrar of non government school so

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Speaker 2: we're sort of at a bit of an arms length

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Speaker 2: around a government school. But I know the local member

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Speaker 2: Naria kids been having conversations with some of the parents

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Speaker 2: from O'lochland there, but Yekland.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a great school. I was there.

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Speaker 2: I think when I was Education Minister, probably in about

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Speaker 2: three incidents is where they've had people coming on or

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Speaker 2: Lachlan will put measures in place. Schools have very strong

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Speaker 2: practice those just like fire drills. They'll practice those sorts

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, we spoke to Catholic Education last week. They

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Speaker 1: you know, they were very quick and comprehensive to respond.

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Speaker 1: But people are really asking the question at the moment

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Speaker 1: Where's the duty of care from the Northern Territory government

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, there's absolute duties of care for the school.

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Speaker 2: So the school has a duty of care out in.

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Speaker 1: Terms of somebody jumping the fence who's engaged in criminal behavior,

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Speaker 1: were engaging then in what would be deemed as criminal behavior.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the school would have rung the police and

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Speaker 2: then the police can obviously if it's a school, they

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Speaker 1: Do you have any idea if that child has been

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Speaker 3: I don't have the details.

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Speaker 2: that of the Education Department that looks after Catholic education.

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Speaker 2: When I was the minister, I used to meet regularly

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Speaker 2: sure Mark Monahan would do the same. But yeah, nobody

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Speaker 1: Yeah, why on earth is somebody jumping into the school

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Speaker 3: But was it targeting a child? So was it a

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Speaker 1: And yeah, look, I know a lot of people listening

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Okadie.

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Speaker 2: The school schools go very out of their way to

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Speaker 1: But I spend too much time with this, but I

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 2: So again Katie, then they call the police. You know

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Speaker 2: But you know, a random you can't in all the

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Speaker 2: and often it is around a fight or a payback

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Speaker 1: More an issue. It's not actually the school that I

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Speaker 3: It's o Katie.

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Speaker 2: There are many things in place around young people who

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Speaker 2: every day. If they're not, then it comes down to

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Speaker 1: All right, let's move along. Last week, the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister, how exactly are they going to work?

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Speaker 2: So yes, So the sites that we're announced, we're you're

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Speaker 3: For around eight as well.

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Speaker 2: Juno will be there as an intram measure, but longer

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Speaker 2: And so we hope to be able to gazette not

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Speaker 3: So then the ju so the judiciary will have a choice.

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Speaker 2: So instead of going, you know, don Dale, the resident

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Speaker 2: There will be a place before that where the young

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Speaker 1: So managed by territory family. How are the youth going

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Speaker 2: So at this initial stage it is around a gazettel

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Speaker 3: We've got the Youth Justice Review.

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Speaker 3: Tighten up around crime.

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Speaker 2: Because yeah, it's just a new thing that a lot

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Speaker 1: It certainly pushing a head quite quickly though, they're pushing

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Speaker 2: So it's telling me that all around Australia. And I

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Speaker 2: Well, as I said, you know, we could do that,

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Speaker 1: Then well as I said, yeah, but the community screaming

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we can do that. We can definitely look at

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Speaker 3: But but that's not.

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Speaker 2: But you know, New South Wales, let's have a look

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Speaker 1: All right, I want to ask you about the situation

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Speaker 1: Now in adult correctional facilities. The Police Minister last week

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Speaker 2: So there's ninety six that are going to be in

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Speaker 1: So ninety six beds in Alice Springs sixty four beds

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Speaker 2: We've also got some We're also looking at some of

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Speaker 2: From Dipple, the CEO of Dipple, knows that we want

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Speaker 3: It's Okatie. Yeah, cost of living besides crime.

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Speaker 2: This year, we're going to say that motor vehicle registry

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Speaker 1: on the shiplift facility? I know that the NT News

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Speaker 1: had reported that some land set aside for the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory shiplift project is still under private ownership more than

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Speaker 1: two years after negotiations for a land swap commence. Just

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Speaker 1: Augus through where's the shiplift?

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Speaker 2: So we'll have an announcement this week with the shiplift,

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Speaker 2: So some really good news. So, yes, there was ongoing

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Speaker 2: negotiations with Pasbailey, who are also the operator of the

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Speaker 2: ship lift. You know that's when you have big, big

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Speaker 2: projects like this, there's negotiations and those negotiations have been

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Speaker 2: depleted and so Cloff BMD have got the contract for construction.

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Speaker 2: There'll be some quite substantial tenders going out around subcontractors

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Speaker 2: and working on the on the shiplift, but there'll be

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Speaker 2: I think I'm going to go and do some media

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Speaker 2: probably later in.

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Speaker 3: The week around that.

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Speaker 1: So Lork, what was the hold up with that land?

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Speaker 2: So, I mean that was just one part of it,

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Speaker 2: but the land is held by pass Bailey so it

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Speaker 2: was around you negotiations around that, but that's some commercial

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Speaker 2: and confidence. I can't go into the details, Katie, but

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Speaker 2: it was around the land, but that wasn't the you know,

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Speaker 2: we have been having ongoing negotiations around and the design work,

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Speaker 2: working with Cloff BMD. So it's a huge project, five

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifteen million dollar project. There's been conversations with

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Speaker 2: Defense as well with Australian Border Force, so there's been

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Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of work to get to

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Speaker 2: this position where we're ready to start work there.

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister. One that's come through, I'm assuming from a

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Speaker 1: business owner business broke ins, break ins. What is a

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory government doing to support business owners like Jason

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Speaker 1: Hanna who was targeted on several occasions last week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I actually ran into Jason on the weekend and had

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Speaker 2: a brief conversation with him around that. So, yes, we've

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Speaker 2: got secure which is one that I know Jason's used

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Speaker 2: in the past. You know, the issue around fire exits

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Speaker 2: continues to be one that I've had conversations with Brent

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Speaker 2: Potter around is there some other solution around that? But yeah,

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Speaker 2: it is part of the whole package of the work

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Speaker 2: that we'll do with police around the police review, looking

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Speaker 2: at having more vans on the road, more police on

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Speaker 2: the beat. So that will be part of the review

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Speaker 2: around increasing the numbers of police.

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Speaker 1: When are you expecting that final review back?

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Speaker 3: I get the report.

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Speaker 2: I'll get the report this week and we'll be able

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Speaker 2: to go to cabinet, but we'll be able to then

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Speaker 2: brief and do announcements in coming weeks on that.

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Speaker 3: The sooner the better really from my point of.

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Speaker 1: View, Yeah, I agree with you. I think the whole

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Speaker 1: community will feel exactly the same. You've had a look

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Speaker 1: at the interim report already, haven't the.

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Speaker 2: Interim report about probably six weeks ago and sat down

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Speaker 2: with Vince Kelly and I mean it was and discussions

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Speaker 2: with him around the directions that he thought it needed

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Speaker 2: to go in, so talking about police numbers and a

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Speaker 2: range of issues that police are encountering in the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 2: And he's then going to work well, he's obviously worked

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Speaker 2: with his team to finalize that report. I think he's

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Speaker 2: done literally thousands of interviews across the territory, has been

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Speaker 2: out remote, he's been urban and provided some really good

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Speaker 2: there's some really good conversations I've had with him around

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Speaker 2: the issues that police facing the territory.

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Speaker 1: What how low are we on police numbers?

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Speaker 2: Well, that the issue with police numbers is, as said,

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Speaker 2: continues to be the number of police that are on

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Speaker 2: workers comp or sickly. That continues to be a number

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Speaker 2: of about I think one hundred and eighty two hundred.

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Speaker 2: But our police numbers we've since we've come to government,

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Speaker 2: we've put on an extra two hundred and fifty police.

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Speaker 3: You know the story around Pally's.

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Speaker 2: I know that's caused some angst in the community in

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Speaker 2: our springs, but that's also a mechanism to have a

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Speaker 2: pathway for the palis to become constable. So it's an

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Speaker 2: innovative way to get more police on the beat. We

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Speaker 2: know the palies aren't working on Mondays and tuesdays. They

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Speaker 2: don't start work till three o'clock. So being able to

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Speaker 2: convert them from a sixteen week pally course to be

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Speaker 2: able to do then another sixteen week to become a

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Speaker 2: constable is a good thing because they can on those

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Speaker 2: days when they're not required and the bottle shops they

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Speaker 2: can do antisocial behavior work, they can do the safety work,

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Speaker 2: so Yeah, so we're always looking at ways to increase

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Speaker 2: police numbers.

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Speaker 1: Look, I know we weren't planning on talking about this,

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Speaker 1: and I know you're very pressed for time, as am

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Speaker 1: I Warwick. And Catherine's called through to say that he's

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Speaker 1: heard seventeen police have resigned from Catherine? Is that the

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Speaker 1: case he reckons there's no palis there as well? It's

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Speaker 1: something that's obviously concerned for people.

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Speaker 2: Oh, look, I have to check with Brent or the

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Speaker 2: Police Commission around that. That's the first I've heard that

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Speaker 2: there's resignations, and I know the Police magazine.

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Speaker 3: You can read the resignations.

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Speaker 2: In the Police magazine each month. But I'd have to

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Speaker 2: check with brand or the Police Commission around that. I

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Speaker 2: haven't heard that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what do you say to the people of

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Speaker 1: Alla Springs at the moment that are literally screaming out

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Speaker 1: saying we want those palies back on the bottle shops.

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Speaker 2: So my understanding is that there are palies on the

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Speaker 2: bottle shop So there are I think last week in

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Speaker 2: Parliament I heard there was eight and seven every day

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Speaker 2: there were palis on bottle shops and so there are

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Speaker 2: palies there. It is a matter though of sometimes where there. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they rotate them around and if there's a low risk

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Speaker 2: time period, they manage that. So it's managing their resources.

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Speaker 2: But the issue has been that they have had trouble

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Speaker 2: recruiting to Palies, so the people haven't been putting up

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Speaker 2: their hand to be Palis. Obviously it's work that you're

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Speaker 2: standing in front of a bottle shop for your whole shift,

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Speaker 2: and at times you can copy abuse all those sorts

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Speaker 2: of things. So this is the conversion to the to

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Speaker 2: be a constable was something that the Palies wanted to

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Speaker 2: have in place. It gives them an opportunity to move

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Speaker 2: into being a fully fledged constable. So it was a

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Speaker 2: way of managing the HR issues around Palis.

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Speaker 1: So you want to people though they're sort of saying

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Speaker 1: like they understand that. I guess people are quite understanding

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Speaker 1: of that, making sure that there is that pathway for Palis.

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Speaker 1: But then you've got you know, the IGA's For example,

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Speaker 1: we've spoken to Peter Holden last Monday on the show

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Speaker 1: that ended up having to shut down because they'd had

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Speaker 1: two staff members assaulted. So to those in Alice Springs

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Speaker 1: that are screaming out right now, going we need help,

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Speaker 1: we want them back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so please know that.

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Speaker 2: And police that's an issue for them around managing their

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Speaker 2: resources so they have things in place, so they have

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Speaker 2: the police vans that are moving between places or managing

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Speaker 2: the risk around that. But there are palies. There absolutely

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Speaker 2: are palies in Alice Springs.

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister, we better leave it there. Thank you, as

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Speaker 1: always for your time. Appreciated.