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Speaker 1: Get a I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter

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Speaker 1: and professional overshare us. This podcast is all about celebrating

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Speaker 1: failure because I believe it's a chance for us to learn,

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Speaker 1: grow and face our blind spots. Each week, all interview

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Speaker 1: a different guest about their highs as well as their lows,

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Speaker 1: all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. Hello,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the pod. It's a bit more of an

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Speaker 1: educational one. Today we are chatting all things sustainability with

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Speaker 1: pit Band. Now. I learned so much, so I hope

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Speaker 1: you do as well. We talk about sustainability within the

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Speaker 1: meat industry in Australia, we talk about the environment goals

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Speaker 1: to be cob neutral by twenty thirty. I get a

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Speaker 1: big lesson in me thane and greenhouse gases and I

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Speaker 1: learn about oh my god, there's so much stuff about

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Speaker 1: animal welfare, about the five domains of animal welfare, and

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Speaker 1: of course being a nutritionists, we had to talk with

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Speaker 1: the health and nutrition side of things as well, So

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Speaker 1: I hope you take something from this. I was like

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Speaker 1: a kindicating striters couldn't stop asking pit questions and she's

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Speaker 1: so knowledgeable and so kind and super smart, So I

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Speaker 1: hope you love this set. Pit Band, thanks for jumping

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Speaker 1: on the pod today.

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Speaker 2: Great, thanks for having me Lla.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to talk sustainability with you. I am

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Speaker 1: a bit of a newbie, but then I think being

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Speaker 1: a nutritionist, I've always been into understanding where my food

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Speaker 1: comes from.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is fundamental to it all, isn't it right? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: But I want to know, like, you've built a whole

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Speaker 1: career in this space. You are a consultant in the

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Speaker 1: sustainability space, in with agricultural bodies, government and food bodies.

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Speaker 1: So why what made you go? I want to know

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Speaker 3: Well, I think I've always been inquisitive by nature. So

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Speaker 3: I started my career as a journalist, and obviously journalists

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Speaker 3: was asked to go back and do a job at

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Speaker 2: With, a big multinational company.

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Speaker 3: Worked in their corporate affairs unit, which is all about

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Speaker 3: managing issues, and I think at that time sustainability was

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Speaker 3: so it was all around water, nutrition, at the time,

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Speaker 3: and I worked in a few other kind of big

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Speaker 3: companies in those areas, and I just sustainability just really

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Speaker 3: was looking at it from a solutions perspective, like there's

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Speaker 3: a problem, but how could we actually improve that? And

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, business often gets a bad rap,

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Speaker 3: and I think it should a lot of the time, but.

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Speaker 2: Also it's the reality of the world.

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Speaker 3: So if you want to make change, I think companies

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Speaker 3: have got to be involved in making that change. And

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Speaker 3: I went into agriculture as a city slicker, having really

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Speaker 3: compared to say, finance, and I got in there and

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Speaker 3: natural system, which is complex system in itself. You're working with,

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Speaker 3: you know, hundreds of thousands of individual businesses that obviously

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Speaker 3: don't just do what you say, like in a big

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Speaker 2: So the complexity of it I loved, and.

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Speaker 3: I ended up spending a decade working in the red

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Speaker 1: You're so inspiring. I hope you don't mind. I did

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Speaker 1: a bit of a deep dive of you. You've spoken

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Speaker 1: a Climate Week in New York, Yes, and Japanese summits.

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Speaker 1: You've spoken all over Australia. Mate, You've like, that's no

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Speaker 3: No look, And again it kind of blew my mind

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Speaker 3: And you know, companies like McDonald's take a huge amount

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Speaker 2: And events like that.

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Speaker 3: That's where every year one hundred and fifty two countries

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's the big It's a big annual meeting

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm sitting next to like a very

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Speaker 1: like your level of smarts feels like genius level, and

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Speaker 3: My level of smarts is very base level. When you

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Speaker 2: So I rarely felt like the brain's in the room.

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Speaker 1: Well, I hope you feel like the brain's in the

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Speaker 1: from you. I as somebody that's nutritioness, and I care

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Speaker 1: in Australia. So I've heard the carbon neutral by twenty thirty.

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Speaker 1: First of all, how is that going to happen? And

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Speaker 3: So I was around set up that target and incredibly ambitious,

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Speaker 2: But I think it's looking pretty good.

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Speaker 3: I mean, so far as of last year, already reduced

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Speaker 3: But there's a huge amount of research that's been underway

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Speaker 2: Well things rolls off the tongue, doesn't it.

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Speaker 1: So these things basically mean because correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 3: Correct exactly, And the methane production is it's a natural

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Speaker 3: And it's exactly the same with catal or sheep. So

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Speaker 3: if you can test, which you can for which animal

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Speaker 3: up with the low producing animals. So that's a huge

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Speaker 1: Isn't that fascinating?

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Speaker 3: And it's to us You're like aren't they just out

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Speaker 2: It's like, no, there's a whole lot more science that

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Speaker 1: It's like an art form, it really is. And what

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Speaker 3: So they call it carbon sequestration, so that again, that's

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Speaker 3: And Australia has a program with the carbon market where

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Speaker 2: Kind of the bad rap and narrative that red meats had.

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Speaker 3: is in there but still very tricky to monitor or measure,

443
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 3: but it's a goal. It's like we want them to

444
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 3: have these five areas, which I think to me are

445
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 3: the five areas you'd.

446
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,359
Speaker 2: Also want for you. And I like, if all.

447
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 3: Those areas are in line, then you're probably living a

448
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 3: pretty happy life.

449
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,119
Speaker 1: And you've just touched on like as well, the curved

450
00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 1: you know, like moving from their space where it was

451
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,120
Speaker 1: like straight angles versus like having curves because that keeps

452
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,399
Speaker 1: it keeps them calm, and so that hits on that

453
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,159
Speaker 1: mental health piece exactly, keeping stress low yep, and like

454
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 1: hanging out with your mates. All those things makes you

455
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 1: feel no, but it's it's it's so it's so fascinating

456
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,159
Speaker 1: to learn about these that's it is such a bigger

457
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 1: picture than I think. It feels like an iceberg where

458
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 1: you kind of like scratch the surface and you're like, no,

459
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,360
Speaker 1: there are all these practices in place.

460
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 2: There's so much.

461
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 3: But also people don't have the time, and I think

462
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 3: that's realistic.

463
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 2: And I think when I first started working in the industry,

464
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 2: the farmers rightlefully said they could tell everyone what we do.

465
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, but when you go to buy a car, do

466
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 3: you know everything about you know, the steel that went

467
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,639
Speaker 3: into the car and this practice and of course not,

468
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 3: but you know that the right things are being looked

469
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 3: at because you trust the brand, trust where it's produced.

470
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 3: And I think to me, that's the important thing is

471
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 3: that the right checks and balances are put in place

472
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,879
Speaker 3: and there are systems. So in Australia we have different

473
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 3: reporting frameworks there's sustainability frameworks, there's you know, compulsory reporting,

474
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 3: which to me is a low baseline, but that's where

475
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 3: all the detail is. And if you're that way inclined,

476
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 3: you can knock yourself out looking at like fifty two

477
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 3: indicators of detail. But most of us just want to

478
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 3: go to the shop and pick up something nice for dinner,

479
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 3: I know, and not feel guilty.

480
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's gonnay. And also, like the other thing that

481
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: I learned that was really new to me, this is

482
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: we're talking of what like about generations of farmers where

483
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 1: it stayed in the family for like sometimes a couple

484
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 1: of hundred years, and you're like, oh my goodness, this

485
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 1: is like a way of being for people. And I

486
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: think that love and passion and dedication as well. I'm like, oh, like,

487
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 1: that's that value system that I'm like.

488
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 2: I love to.

489
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 1: Not even explore, but just like see as well, which

490
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Speaker 1: is where I loved like being like, oh my goodness,

491
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 1: this passion.

492
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 2: For yeah, and that's why I love the industry so much.

493
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 3: Yes, to be honest, coming from working in finance, opposite

494
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 3: right opposite, Yeah, you weren't dealing with humans and you know,

495
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 3: when you go to farming. It's real, honest people, great values,

496
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 3: straight up and down. We'll call a spade a spade,

497
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 3: but are doing it for the love They're not just

498
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 3: it's it's an interesting one for kind of people in

499
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 3: finance and other industries to get their head around, because

500
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 3: once you start talking about how do you motivate change,

501
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 3: like economic leavers don't necessarily work because it's also about

502
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 3: the lifestyle.

503
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know that.

504
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 3: The environment that their kids can live in and all

505
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 3: these kind of things. It's not straight up money, which

506
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 3: is also to me really refreshing and a nice way

507
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 3: to be operating a business.

508
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I feel like, not to get too hippi

509
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: and woo woo on you, but it feels like a

510
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 1: feeling as well. Yeah, even as a consumer like I,

511
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: a value feeling for me needs to be met.

512
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 3: Exactly well it is, and a farmer like it's still

513
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 3: one of the most trusted professions, like you know, they

514
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 3: are producing the food that we all eat. And of

515
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 3: course with that, you know, we don't think about it

516
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 3: day and day out in Australia because we have healthy

517
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 3: food that's safe. Other countries don't have that luxury. They

518
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 3: actually do have to think about it. Yeah, but that's

519
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 3: why you know, we trust them. We trust them with

520
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 3: what we're putting into our bodies.

521
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: Can we speak about putting things into our bodies? Because

522
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: interesting digression, they'rebout health and nutrition. I'm a nutritionist, and

523
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: I think and I am also I was vegan for many,

524
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 1: many years for a multitude of reasons, but if I'd

525
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 1: be lying if I didn't say one of them was

526
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 1: ethical through being uneducated as well. And I personally was

527
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,719
Speaker 1: at my least healthiest then because my diet was so

528
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: lacking in protein. And I know you can get protein

529
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 1: from non meat sources one thousand million percent, but if

530
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,959
Speaker 1: I was craving probably protein, I just need a handful

531
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 1: of dates, which is like a GI of one hundred. Yes,

532
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 1: And so I didn't have an understanding of what my

533
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: body needed and that yeah, nuts probably would have been

534
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: smarter than dates. But even now, like it's cool to

535
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: see the pendulum shift a little bit, don't you reckon?

536
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 3: I think it's massively shifted. And I mean I was

537
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 3: also vegetarian for a while.

538
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 1: Great, and so I've no half. I felt so guilty

539
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: saying that.

540
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 3: And you know, I expect to lots of people that were,

541
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 3: and I still have lots of vegetarian vegan friends as well.

542
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 3: I think everyone has the right to choose their own diet. Yeah,

543
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 3: I think we're past that kind of like peak diet

544
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 3: like identity thing, though hopefully I think people have kind

545
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,239
Speaker 3: of moved past that and you can choose what's going

546
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 3: to work for you. But certainly, I mean, all the

547
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 3: research suggests that you just can't get the iron and

548
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 3: the protein needs as easily without a lot of effort,

549
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 3: without some animal products in your diet. And I think

550
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 3: that's particularly true for women and also for children as well.

551
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: Well. You look at all the everything coming out about

552
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: lean muscle mass being the key, like and if we

553
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: live as women, lift weights and great source of protein,

554
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: there's your lean muscle mass, there's your long geb a

555
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: big picture of the longngevity and health and wellness and

556
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: vitality picture long term.

557
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really changed.

558
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 3: I mean, you know as well from socials around nutrition,

559
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 3: Like when I first started working.

560
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: You know, meat was kind of the enemy, right.

561
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 3: And there was all this misinformation around causing all kinds

562
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 3: of cancers which has all been completely disproved now. But

563
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 3: what I see now is almost the opposite, And to me,

564
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 3: the pendulumce probably swung a little bit too far with

565
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 3: you know, people really going down the carnival diet meat.

566
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's a bit much. Glad do you

567
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 2: say that?

568
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: No, I'm glad to say. I think it is about

569
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: finding that balance. And I always say when I'm in

570
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: clinic and practicing, I'll be like, what works for me

571
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: isn't going to work for the next person. But I

572
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 1: think any diet that's heavily restrictive of one element, or

573
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: heavily only one element, you're going to have a little

574
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: bit of imbalance somewhere along the line. Maybe not initially, no,

575
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: but down the line, something's going to be misaligned. Yeah,

576
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: Like I think being part of a balanced wholesome loads

577
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: still loads of veggies, loads of legumes, you know, yeah, fruit,

578
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: that's all of that, but also great sources of limb protein.

579
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: If it's the only way to go.

580
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 3: And I think anecdotally a lot of my friends and

581
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 3: certainly people I've listened to with their stories, if you

582
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 3: do cut out meat, there might be an initial period

583
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 3: of feeling fabulous, yeah, but quite often that's because you're

584
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 3: suddenly introducing more veggies. You might not have had a

585
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 3: particularly good diet. Yeah, and you're in the style. After

586
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 3: a while, you start to become depleted and you don't

587
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 3: feel so great. So I think, as you say, it's

588
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 3: finding that balance. But you know, everyone's different. Some people

589
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 3: do really well on a vegan vegetarian diet. Others need

590
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,239
Speaker 3: a bit more red meat protein. You know, find your

591
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 3: own adventure, hope.

592
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: I like that picture own adventure. I have to ask

593
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: this question. You having the history of being a journo,

594
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: so you've got one of those brains that just loved

595
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: I imagine you could find the magic of nearly anybody

596
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: that you meet. I think journos have this beautiful ability

597
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: like read a scenario or read a person, and so like,

598
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: with all your time working amongst sustainability, especially in their

599
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: more agricultural sector, has there been any like story of

600
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: your worked or visited a farm where you're like, oh,

601
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: just hit you in the heart, like it was a

602
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: really like for me, I got to see a farmer

603
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: talk about it was a mum with a calf, and

604
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: he was tearing up just talking about the bond of

605
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: the bond of the animals and white was so important

606
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: to him and talked about the genetics and how much

607
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: time and effort and money and like luck had gone

608
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: into this little bambino. And that was my welcome to

609
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: the farm. We were all like, oh my goodness, Like

610
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: this passion yeah, for well being as well, and and

611
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: the care and passion like really blew me away. Have

612
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: you ever had a moment like that?

613
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 3: And across all different topics, like with the animal welfare,

614
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 3: you know, the family with the calf that's been rejected

615
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 3: by its mum for whatever reason, kind of hand rearing

616
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 3: it and it becoming almost like a pet. So you know,

617
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 3: particularly some of the environmental heroes that I've worked with

618
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 3: that might have you know, rebilitated a section of land

619
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 3: that might have only had a tiny amount of a species.

620
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: I can remember what it was called.

621
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 3: It was like a cuokoo or something, this tiny little marsupial.

622
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 3: It only existed then on this guy's property and he

623
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 3: kind of dedicated his life to it. Actually, one of

624
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 3: the first people I met in this industry was the

625
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 3: old guy's unfortunately passed away now John Henderson. He lived

626
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 3: up in the Kimberlely on like a huge extensive property,

627
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 3: but he was hand collecting seeds and replanting them in

628
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 3: the soil. And he would have been on a property

629
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 3: the size of most towns, if not bigger, and you

630
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 3: know he wasn't getting anything for that, and it would

631
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 3: have been backbreaking work, but he just really wanted to

632
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 3: see that landscape improved.

633
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 2: Ah.

634
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: I love it. This is the thing. This is what

635
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: I love that through this chat. Yes, it's about educating

636
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: the listener on sustainability, welfare and also like the health benefits,

637
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: but it's also like giving a voice to these people

638
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: that have just like such dedication and passion to honoring

639
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: there's not just an honoring of animals, also like the

640
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: earth and being farmers and caring so much about land

641
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: as well. There's something so special about it.

642
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 3: I don't know there is, and it's that connection to

643
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 3: land and it's not the same, but you know, indigenous

644
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 3: cultures they exist within the natural environment.

645
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: They're part of it.

646
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 3: They don't see themselves as separate like us where we

647
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 3: kind of take that more dominion approach. And a lot

648
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 3: of the farmers that I've spent time with over the years,

649
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 3: they've got that like they.

650
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 2: Are in the environment day and day out.

651
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 3: They see what changes they can make they see when

652
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 3: they've done something bad and they need to rectify it,

653
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 3: and you know, their own wellbeing and happiness is really

654
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 3: tied up with their property as well, which is obviously

655
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 3: why in periods of drought, you know, mental health is

656
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 3: such a problem with farmers because it's just staring them

657
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 3: in the face that things are bad and that the

658
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 3: land isn't as happy as it could be. And obviously

659
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 3: there's financial implications, but a lot of it I think

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Speaker 3: stems from just it's really it's really looking bad out

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Speaker 3: here at the moment, Like how am I going to

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Speaker 3: feed my animals? How am I going to hydrate them?

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Speaker 3: And it would just be depressing, wouldn't it to be

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Speaker 3: living somewhere that is really depleted at a point we yeah,

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Speaker 3: like drought, flood, those things are gonna could wipe out

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Speaker 3: an entire season or like you have a huge effect

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Speaker 3: on like their lives for yeah, not just that month

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Speaker 3: or two, but like the years to come.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 3: And we talked before about you know, it's the love

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Speaker 3: and it's almost an identity. But also sometimes to be honest,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, bloody hell, what a hard road. There's there's

673
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Speaker 3: so much variability that is outside of their control and

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Speaker 3: all of the research it can help them manage through

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Speaker 3: those periods. But you know, obviously with the changing climate,

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Speaker 3: we would have seen over the last few years way

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Speaker 3: more intense.

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Speaker 2: Floods, fires, droughts.

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Speaker 3: Like it is a hard road and like to me,

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Speaker 3: it's amazing that we aren't kind of out there cheering

681
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Speaker 3: on farmers every day like they kind of are the

682
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Speaker 3: forgotten heroes big time. Yeah, So with all your incredible

683
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Speaker 3: work you've done, I know you wear many hats that

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Speaker 3: for the Listen, Now, what is like something that you

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Speaker 3: would want them to take away from today?

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Speaker 1: Is it that like it is a bigger you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, there's so much more to it than

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Speaker 1: we think when we go and pick up the mince

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Speaker 1: meat at the supermarket, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: I think so, I mean, I think. You know, I'm

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Speaker 2: a mom with two young kids, so I get it.

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Speaker 3: You run into the supermarket, you quickly pick something up,

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Speaker 3: but that you can do it with the certainty that

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Speaker 3: a lot of thought and care has gone into producing that,

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Speaker 3: and there's a lot of effort on not wasting anything.

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Speaker 2: There's huge effort.

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Speaker 3: We talked about the carbon but also reducing water, which

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Speaker 3: is obviously huge.

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Speaker 2: In a country like Australia.

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Speaker 3: So really that you know, if you want to have

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Speaker 3: a look, there's a whole lot of detail.

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Speaker 2: You can go into.

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Speaker 3: But really, I think as we were just saying that

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Speaker 3: kind of pride for the people that are out there

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Speaker 3: in these often harsh environments putting their you know, sweat

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Speaker 3: and tears into producing some of the world's best food.

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Speaker 1: And for us and I know asked is at the start,

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Speaker 1: but just for us the consumers, because we do get

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Speaker 1: to make a choice and vote with our dollars, is

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Speaker 1: the best thing to look for local Aussie red meat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think we still have any food, any

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Speaker 3: meat from overseas. I know they change the rules so

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Speaker 3: there might occasionally be a little bit on new zing

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Speaker 3: Own product, but it's one thing we don't have to

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Speaker 3: have really country of origin labeling. I mean, as I said,

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Speaker 3: we export around seventy I think percent. Australia is the

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Speaker 3: biggest market. But yeah, pretty well everything is Aussie produced.

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Speaker 2: How great. I mean, there might be a bit of

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Speaker 2: spam in the supermarket. Now, if you're in the fresh section.

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Speaker 2: From the spam, that would be the advice.

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Speaker 1: So that's so great to know that it's easier than

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Speaker 1: we think. Yeah, just trust to know there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of love and a lot of care, and a lot

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Speaker 1: of hard work and generations and years of hard work

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Speaker 1: that has gone into it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and striving to improve.

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Speaker 3: I think whilst the story is good at the moment,

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Speaker 3: you know, the whole world's got to step up. We've

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Speaker 3: got a lot of challenges, so to me, setting that

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Speaker 3: really ambitious target of twenty thirty carbon neutral, you know,

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Speaker 3: who knows whether they'll get there, but I think they'll

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Speaker 3: get a lot closer than if they hadn't upset that

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Speaker 3: target and bought in all of the investment and the

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Speaker 3: cooperation that goes with that. So I think supporting an

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Speaker 3: industry that's really prepared to put that you know, peg

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Speaker 3: in the ground and go for it.

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Speaker 1: And this question is might throw a curveball at you,

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Speaker 1: so bring it roll back of you if you want.

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Speaker 1: But like, because you have such a wonderful expertise in

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Speaker 1: this area, on a like one human level, what can

741
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Speaker 1: we each They are little things that we can do

742
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Speaker 1: to live a more sustainable life. The biggest thing to

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Speaker 1: me is still don't waste food, like the idea of

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Speaker 1: going and buying a pack of meat from your supermarket

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Speaker 1: and then letting it go out of date and throwing

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Speaker 1: it out like you know, for starters and animals given

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Speaker 1: its life for that.

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Speaker 3: So that is pretty serious. It's you know, the environmental

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Speaker 3: contribution to that. You know, it has taken water, it's

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Speaker 3: taken energy, and obviously it's taken that farmer's effort to

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Speaker 3: produce that. And food waste is still one of the

752
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Speaker 3: biggest emitters globally. So taking down the manufacturing obviously fossil

753
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Speaker 3: fuel everything, but food waste is I can't remember what

754
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Speaker 3: it is, but it's a number of countries grouped together.

755
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Speaker 3: Is the size of what food waste is as emissions.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, And.

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Speaker 3: We throw out apparently like one shopping bag a family

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Speaker 3: a week of waste, Like we're terrible. So try to

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Speaker 3: plan and actually use everything is the biggest thing. And interestingly,

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Speaker 3: when you look at the research as far as how

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Speaker 3: you can have a lower carbon diet, the key thing

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Speaker 3: is to take out discretionary foods, which as a nutritionist

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Speaker 3: you'd love. So the highest impact foods from a carbon

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Speaker 3: perspective are you know, those that we know aren't good

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Speaker 3: for us. So with sugars and all the refined carbs

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Speaker 3: that come in packaging, that's it, and we know they're

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Speaker 3: terrible for us, and it's also terrible for the planet.

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Speaker 3: So eating whole natural foods and not throwing them out,

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Speaker 3: I think is the best thing that we can do

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Speaker 3: as consumers.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I always say to people, if you

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Speaker 1: pick up a packet, feels like you're in year twelve

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Speaker 1: chemistry class, pop it back down. It's probably gonna outlive you.

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Speaker 1: That's my kind of like thing. But it's exactly what

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Speaker 1: you just said. I have loved chatting to you. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for educating me and celebrating the farmers and teaching

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Speaker 1: me and to you the listener, how we can all

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Speaker 1: just love a little bit more sustainably, but also how

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Speaker 1: we can support people already doing good things pleasure.

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Speaker 3: I've loved it, Yeah, mush Lola, Yeah, thanks mate.

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Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

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Speaker 1: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation

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