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Speaker 1: This is Outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say

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Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and

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Speaker 1: Sophie Torbor. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have

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Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers

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Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues facing women.

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Speaker 1: That is so fatch. Thank you, hello and welcome to Outspoken.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us again. I'm trying not to

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Speaker 1: laugh because we have been trying to record for the

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Speaker 1: last i'd say half an hour. And Amy has the

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Speaker 1: most annoying neighbors that as soon as we get into

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Speaker 1: the room to record, they start doing something loud outside.

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Speaker 1: It might be their dog barking, or I think they

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Speaker 1: were using pressure hosing their backyard. The most awkward thing

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Speaker 1: is I feel like they can hear us right now

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Speaker 1: because we can hear all of their conversations. Get they

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Speaker 1: get a free live show unedited co well, on a

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Speaker 1: slightly different topic, Amy and Sophie relieved childhood and they

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Speaker 1: had a sleepover last week. At what age does it

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Speaker 1: become inappropriate to have a sleepover? Look, I think there

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Speaker 1: needs to be some context. We didn't just have a sleepover.

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Speaker 1: Sophie's boyfriend went away for a work trip. Was all

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Speaker 1: I did was get the sleepover club music. We've got

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Speaker 1: to play it in the background while we're talking about this.

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Speaker 1: Brendon and I were literally singing as a joke the

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Speaker 1: night before Amy and I had our sleep Wait wait,

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Speaker 1: do you mean the sleepover sleepover? The Channel nine show.

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Speaker 1: People of our vintage will remember that show, will have

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Speaker 1: it playing whilst we're talking about Well, just anyway, back

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Speaker 1: to the story. So, Sophi's boyfriend went on a work trip,

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Speaker 1: and she has been talking about it for weeks, saying

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Speaker 1: sleep over. Now, Sophie is thirty one, and we realized

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Speaker 1: that she has actually never slept at a house by

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Speaker 1: herself for thirty one years. Now. I still don't get

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Speaker 1: that because actually, in saying that, I had to stay

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Speaker 1: Sydney to visit Amy on the shadiest streets, it was different.

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Speaker 1: There was a brawl outside my window. I was terrified,

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Speaker 1: say I never lived in Sydney, so you weren't visiting me.

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Speaker 1: We went to visit my boyfriend, and I stayed at

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Speaker 1: his house and your things to stay. I was terrified

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Speaker 1: that night. Well, anyway, I got in trouble with SOF

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Speaker 1: because I tried to flake out of the sleepover. So

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Speaker 1: Kate and I went over. We had dinner with SOF,

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Speaker 1: and then I thought, I kind of just want to

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Speaker 1: go home to my own bed. I only live five

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Speaker 1: and she is living in It's not a gated community

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Speaker 1: So I don't get it's not like it's on a

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Speaker 1: main road. Well, I was scared. I thought I'd be fine,

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Speaker 1: But that week there was an incident where Brandon Hurt

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Speaker 1: the morning, we were creeping down. They're so scared someone

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Speaker 1: Even with a dog, you were scared. He is not

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Speaker 1: any sort of guard dog. When we heard this noise,

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Speaker 1: he was fast asleep on the bit. Well, so if

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Speaker 1: to that audio. Are you serious now, Sophie? I feel

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Speaker 1: embarrassed for you. I was there. I think I was

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Speaker 1: and I was cringing whilst I heard her clearly a Joe, Well,

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Speaker 1: how could you leave Sophie there? After that pathetic begging?

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Speaker 1: I had a beautiful sleep. Was who was big spoon

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Speaker 1: So we just finished a little yoga class hustle an

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Speaker 1: white Australian influencers are living it up on an influencer trip.

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Speaker 1: Controversial fashion brand White Fox Boutique is behind the all

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Speaker 1: expenses paid getaway at Byron Bay, the first of it's

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Speaker 1: have many people asking whether influencer trips are outdated now,

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Speaker 1: so can you fill us in on what is going

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Speaker 1: on on White Fox's weekend away? Yes, well, over the weekend,

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Speaker 1: White Fox decided to send five, as you said, white

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Speaker 1: influencers on a trip to Byron Bay. Now, this has

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Speaker 1: been a huge branding exercise for the company. On their

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Speaker 1: this where they've made graphics. They've even created boarding passes

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Speaker 1: with White Fox Boutique on it. White Fox Boutique is

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Speaker 1: all over the accommodation as well. Now they have sent

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Speaker 1: don't know who the fuck they are Apart from that,

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Speaker 1: But I do know Isabelle Clark, but the others I

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Speaker 1: the same except for Madison. Yeah, so their diversity has

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Speaker 1: It's great that they included the blondes and not just

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Speaker 1: at least we've we're not on the trip, so it

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Well. On White Fox Boutique story, we got

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Speaker 1: taken on a behind the scenes tour of their crib,

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Speaker 1: which was, of course, an incredibly luxurious villa in Byron Bay.

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Speaker 1: Did you guys see it? It was insane. Yeah, there

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Speaker 1: was a lot of White Fox Boutique branding everywhere. I

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Speaker 1: because everything wasn't white there, like he's in a part

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Speaker 1: just all white furniture and before anyone comments, we're clearly

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Speaker 1: those who haven't seen, like all influencer trips, the girls

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Speaker 1: pandemic in Australia. But I'd love to find out more,

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Speaker 1: and I suppose a lot of the listens would love

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Speaker 1: to know more about where did these influencer trips even

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Speaker 1: start because we've seen them on social media for so long,

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Speaker 1: but how did they all come about? Well, these sorts

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Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, and one brand that is renowned for

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Speaker 1: starting this craze is high end fashion brand Revolve. Now,

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Speaker 1: they have had some amazing trips. They have had one

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Speaker 1: called hashtag Revolve around the world. They've also had Revolve

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Speaker 1: Summer and Revolve Festival, which had really like Coachella vibes. Now,

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Speaker 1: these influenzer trips are a relatively new PR strategy for

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Speaker 1: essentially exclusive getaways fully funded by brands in order to

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Speaker 1: promote their latest clothing or makeup launch. Now normally they

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Speaker 1: pick very visually pleasing locations like Bora Borer or the

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Speaker 1: a very detailed itinerary of what's going on. Now. Normally

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Speaker 1: it involves five star eating, so they'll have a beautiful breakfast, lunch,

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Speaker 1: on some of these overseas trips, they've been known to

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Speaker 1: do a lot of photo shoots on these trips. So

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Speaker 1: basically it's a chance for the brand to get the

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Speaker 1: influencer to wear all of their clothes, and the influencers

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Speaker 1: clever about it is that you know, when one of

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Speaker 1: these brands do these big trips, it is literally all

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Speaker 1: well that's it. The trip is usually a win win

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Speaker 1: then reach a much wider audience. But then the influencer,

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Speaker 1: clear they are paid for these trips. Well you can

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Speaker 1: Because they look incredible. I think it would be every

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Speaker 1: it's so annoying, especially that White Fox beit tea trip

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Speaker 1: just be taking a limit photos. Oh, I would be Well,

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Speaker 1: it is estimated that a recent tart trip cost three

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Speaker 1: hundred and forty thousand dollars, and basically they what someone

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Speaker 1: did is they added up the three different trips that

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Speaker 1: influencers to be on the trip. Wow, well, it's obviously

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Speaker 1: it's not when you consider how much traditional advertising actually costs.

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Speaker 1: average thirty second national ad costs three hundred and forty

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Speaker 1: that sounds pretty cool, like good on him if he's

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Speaker 1: sharing the secrets. But my mind was changed slightly when

430
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,159
Speaker 1: I came across the website in which his ebook is

431
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,760
Speaker 1: being sold on, and the website's called Sharma Fitness, And

432
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 1: at first I thought that's a really weird name. Why

433
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,320
Speaker 1: would Mitchell call his business that? And then I read

434
00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,440
Speaker 1: a little bit further and it's actually the last name

435
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,679
Speaker 1: of his personal trainer, who's Will Shamer, and he is

436
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,639
Speaker 1: a former model and also a personal trainer who lives

437
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,920
Speaker 1: on the Gold Coast. And this is where it gets

438
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:10,680
Speaker 1: a little bit interesting. If you read a bit further

439
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,840
Speaker 1: on the website, there's a collab page, so you click

440
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 1: on it, and it's basically a call out for influencers

441
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 1: to get in touch with this particular personal trainer, and

442
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 1: it says, turn your influence into income. Do you have

443
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,679
Speaker 1: a strong social media following a health and fitness routine

444
00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 1: you think the world could benefit from. Are you ready

445
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 1: to turn your influence into an income? We want to

446
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,159
Speaker 1: hear from you. It then goes on to say that

447
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,920
Speaker 1: he will handle all of the behind the scenes detail.

448
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 1: He's going to write the book, they take all the

449
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 1: photographs and the videos for marketing, and they're also selling

450
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,479
Speaker 1: another influencer's ebook on the same page. Her name's Ashton

451
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 1: Wood and she's got over three hundred thousand followers, and

452
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 1: both her and Mitchell's ebooks are priced at the same price.

453
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 1: So it's basically so it's basically an insert influencer here

454
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 1: type of fitness program. They just have the program already,

455
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,120
Speaker 1: Make the influencer do it. They lose, and then they go, oh,

456
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 1: hang on, I've created this whole plan for you guys

457
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,439
Speaker 1: to share. It does actually say that if you're an

458
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 1: influencer and you're not already in shape, that he will

459
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,120
Speaker 1: train you to get to that level where I suppose

460
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 1: people want to buy your ebook. But the thing is

461
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 1: with Mitchell. It does also say that you can have

462
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: as much creative control as you like. But Mitchell did

463
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 1: come out on his YouTube channel and he said that

464
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 1: he had a lot to do with writing the Mindset Manual,

465
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Speaker 1: so I actually think he did. Doesn't that seem like

466
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 1: such an odd marketing strategy or business to push the

467
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 1: fact that it's such an oversaturated market because they can

468
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,880
Speaker 1: just insert influencers here and there. I just think it's

469
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 1: so stupid to point people to the website. I mean,

470
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Speaker 1: why didn't they make a separate website for Mitchell's ebook.

471
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: It's not hard to make a landing page with your

472
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 1: own branding own that's completely separate from them the scheme.

473
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: But that just shows how entangled in the ebook this

474
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 1: brand is because he probably has had no, not much

475
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,400
Speaker 1: to do with the marketing side of it. Yeah, it's

476
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 1: literally sending people though to this website to say, hey, look,

477
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 1: I've just created an e to sell something, and this

478
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 1: guy's done it all for me. I think what I

479
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,640
Speaker 1: found even more frustrating is the fact that Sammy Robinson

480
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 1: is doing the same thing, because at least with Mitchell,

481
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: it really has been a journey that we have been

482
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 1: on with him that Sammy Robinson's like known for eating

483
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 1: red frogs and marvelous chocolate. She continuously posts her having

484
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: binges of chocolate and lollies on her Instagram stories. And

485
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 1: I'm all for it because I love those things too,

486
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: But then it seems very hypocritical to be like, oh,

487
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 1: I'm all about wellness and health now that it suits

488
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,880
Speaker 1: me and I've got an agenda to push. Yeah. So basically,

489
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: for those who don't know, Sammy announced on Sunday night

490
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 1: that she was releasing a new guy called Sammy Active,

491
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: and basically her YouTube video was to see if people

492
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: were interested. So they haven't actually filmed any of the

493
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,439
Speaker 1: videos or done any of the work. They're seeing if

494
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: people will buy that. That's what really confused me, because

495
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 1: when you're presenting a brand to the market, you want

496
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: to be assured in that brand. You want to be

497
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,120
Speaker 1: confident that's something that people want to buy. But when

498
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,719
Speaker 1: you say not really sure if you guys want it,

499
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: it seems like that more of a cash the fact that, oh, well,

500
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 1: if enough people want to do it, then we'll put

501
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: it out. I found it quite funny because yet again

502
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 1: it was another poorly shot vlog from Sammy where she

503
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 1: didn't charge her camera and she forgot to vlog and

504
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 1: she was filming her day in the life of what

505
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 1: she eats. And it was quite ironic because she was like, Oh,

506
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: I'm doing a healthy Mexican bowl, but then she loaded

507
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: it with like sour cream and cheese and corn chips,

508
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,239
Speaker 1: and it just it just screamed that she has no

509
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: idea about nutrition. She does say she's going to have

510
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 1: a nutritionist as a part of the program, but it

511
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 1: just it was so murky. Well, the thing that I

512
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 1: found most strange is that Sammy has been quite vocal

513
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: in promoting Steph Claire Smith and Laura Henshell's Keep It

514
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,719
Speaker 1: Cleaner program, and she's attributed some of her fitness towards that.

515
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 1: So now that she's kind of releasing a very similar format,

516
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 1: which I assume they're going to film her working out

517
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 1: while her trainer tells her what to do, I do

518
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 1: wonder how those two girls feel about it. Well, that's

519
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: exactly what she's doing. So she said they're going to

520
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 1: film her workouts and put them up on Vimeo. But

521
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: I've got to say, if I was Steph CLIs myth,

522
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 1: I'd be pretty pissed off because the pair are actually friends.

523
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: They met on a brand trip with Mac and went

524
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: around Japan together, and they're often tagging each other in

525
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 1: different promotions. So Sammy will promote Kick and then Steph

526
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: has been promoting one Mile on her Instagram stories, so

527
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: I do wonder how she feels. But do any of

528
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: these influencers really have a unique idea. I mean, you

529
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 1: look at her brand one Mile, and it is a

530
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: complete copy of Country right. Oh my gosh, let's be fair,

531
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: this whole Sammy Active and one Mile. All of the

532
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: clothes from one Mile only look good on Sammy, and

533
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: Sammy's some genetic freak who just looks bloody amazing, and

534
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: no one's gonna look like Sammy from doing her workout.

535
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: I hate to break it to you, but she is

536
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: just genetically blessed when she got it. And she eats

537
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 1: badly yeah, and still has abs. I mean, I know

538
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: she does some training with a personal trainer, but let's

539
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,239
Speaker 1: be honest, she doesn't ever seem like she's committing to it,

540
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: and she's always eating crap. Can you imagine if that

541
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: was in the guide that you had like a block

542
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 1: of marvelous chocolate I'd follow it. I don't know, no

543
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: one would look like Sammy after. The thing that I

544
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: find so perplexing about these influencers, though, is that they

545
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: don't stick in their lane. As you introduce Sammy, she

546
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: is a makeup YouTuber. Why hasn't she released a makeup brand?

547
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: Exactly right. It was like when she announced one Mile,

548
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: and it was kind of like, oh, I kind of

549
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: like this. I feel with Sammy, She's never had one direction. Yes,

550
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: she did do makeup, but her popularity is all based

551
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: on the fact that she looks like Gigi did. I

552
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 1: wonder if one Mile isn't doing that well and that's

553
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: why they're bringing out this fitness challenge because it does

554
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: seem like a blaytont cash grab, as you said, or conversely,

555
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: the brand is doing so well that they want to

556
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: release something else. No't why would you release something else

557
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: that you're like, if you're passion if she you're passionate

558
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: about one Mile, why would you release this random fitness guide.

559
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: I do wonder if it's her idea or if her

560
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: personal trainer and nutritionists have come in her ear and said, hey,

561
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: this could be cool, and she's kind of like, oh yeah,

562
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: that's a good idea. Well, I'm going to be really

563
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: interested to see one if you guys sign up because

564
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 1: you have always loved Sammy Robinson and you love Kick,

565
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 1: and this is Kick plus Sammy Robinson basically combined. I

566
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 1: think it's going to be a very poor man's Kick.

567
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: If the videos are from vimeo, what vimeeos is like YouTube? Yes,

568
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: I know, but there's an old school but it's like

569
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: your email to link and you click on the link.

570
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, My keep It Clean app has everything in it.

571
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: This is not sponsored by Keep It Cleaner because they

572
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,719
Speaker 1: will not sponsor us despite us doing their workout program

573
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: for two years. I'm fine, totally fine. A line to

574
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: call it out loud and squeaky, because really I'm fine. Well,

575
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: let's get into the reality wrap now, Kate, you've got

576
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: some news about Shanna, who was one of the favorites

577
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: on Love Island UK. Yeah. So Shanna has announced on

578
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: her Instagram story that she has got liposuction on her calves.

579
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: Now it comes after she was medically diagnosed with lipdemia.

580
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I hope that is around pronunciation because I

581
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: have never heard of it before, and it seems like

582
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: she didn't even know what it was. She only found

583
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: out she had the condition when trolls started picking on

584
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: her legs because she was famous for losing quite a

585
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: lot of weight. But then people were saying that her

586
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: legs didn't match up with the rest of her body. Yeah. Well,

587
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: I followed Shawna on Instagram and so many trolls would

588
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: write in the comments saying, oh my god, your legs

589
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,239
Speaker 1: are so big, and then obviously referencing the fact that

590
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: they thought she might have this condition. And what's crazy

591
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 1: is she didn't even know she had the condition. She

592
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: went and got checked and the doctor diagnosed her with

593
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: having this Yeah. So the condition is characterized by enlargement

594
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: of the legs due to deposits of fat beneath the skin.

595
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: So Shawna's gone and had liposuction. She took a photo

596
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 1: and put it on Instagram. She's been very transparent about

597
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 1: the whole process, which has actually been praised by people

598
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: that suffer from the same condition, because, as we've said,

599
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know about it. So if

600
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: you've got this condition, a lot of people are like, oh,

601
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: we'll go for a run, you know, just lose the

602
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: weight that way. So I think it's good in that

603
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: respect that she is bringing awareness about the condition. Well,

604
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: I'm always very skeptical when people do get plastic surgery,

605
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: but I think considering it has been something that's bothered

606
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: her for quite a long time, and it hasn't just

607
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: been because of the trolling comments she received, that she's

608
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: made the right decision there, and if it's something that

609
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: makes her life somewhat better and also shines a light

610
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: to this condition, it's a good thing. Now, moving on,

611
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: American Bachelor Coulton Underwood has been served a restraining order

612
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: from his former partner Cassie Now. It comes after the

613
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: pair officially split in May, and they were quite amicable

614
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: to begin with, saying that they were going to be friends,

615
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: but it seems to have turned very dark. Yeah, I

616
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: can't believe it. He's apparently sent her some very weird

617
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: text messages and also put a tracking device on her car.

618
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: It all seems so out of character because he was

619
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: painted as such a nice guy on the show. Well,

620
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: it's funny you say that, because some fans have dragged

621
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: up an old interview Coulton did while the pair were

622
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: still together, and of course Cassie has accused him of stalking,

623
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: so this quote is actually quite strange. They were talking

624
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: about the fact that he decided to jump over the

625
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: fence to chase her to get her to return to

626
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: the show, which sort of seems like a red flag

627
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: now because for those who don't know, she actually decided

628
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: to leave the show, and he got rid of the

629
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: other two girls that were still in the running and

630
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: went after her. It always seemed like he was a

631
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: lot more into her than she was to him. Yeah,

632
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: evident now. Well, so what Coulton said in an interview

633
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: about that incident was, in my opinion, society would have

634
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: viewed a woman chasing after a guy as a clinger,

635
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: as sort of stalkersh For me, everybody is like, that's

636
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: sort of romantic. I do see your point. I do.

637
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: I'm not a stalker, I promise. I had a good

638
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: gut feeling that it was there. To be honest, though,

639
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: I feel like when you read that quote you can't

640
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: really tell the context really of that. I feel like

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Speaker 1: it would have been said in a jokey intail way.

642
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, of course. But it's just weird that now

643
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Speaker 1: he's been accused of stalking. Yeah, well, I would actually

644
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: like to hear Coulton's side of the story, because it

645
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Speaker 1: does all sound really bad when you read all of

646
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: the allegations out. But but why are we giving him

647
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Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt. We've just said that if

648
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Speaker 1: a woman had jumped over a fence to chase off

649
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: a man that she was in love with, it would

650
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: be seen as psycho, but when a guy does it,

651
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: it's romantic. But I'm not necessarily saying I think it's psycho.

652
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Speaker 1: I don't think if Hannah Bee had jumped over the

653
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Speaker 1: fence and gone after this, we're giving him the benefit

654
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Speaker 1: of the doubt for saying stalking her and putting a

655
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: tracking device on his car because he's a nice guy

656
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: and they just loves her. I'm not saying, but I'm

657
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Speaker 1: saying it'd be interesting to hear if that's true. They're

658
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Speaker 1: allegations at this stage. They're saying. They're in court documents,

659
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: so I would say that they were pretty true, But also, oh,

660
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: you don't know that they're true. I'm just saying from

661
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: what I've seen, he was actually really lovely on the shop.

662
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: But there's some text messages that have been released that

663
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: sort of verify what Cassie is saying, yeah, Well, I

664
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: think Amy's view is because we meet the bachelor, he's

665
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: painted as this hero, this nice guy that everyone wants

666
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: to be with. So then when our perception of him

667
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: changes and we hear these awful things, we don't want

668
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Speaker 1: to believe it. I'm just saying that it does sound

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Speaker 1: very shocking. We've got to remember it's TMZ. I'm just

670
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Speaker 1: saying I'm looking forward to actually hearing coulton side of

671
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Speaker 1: the story and discovering whether all these allegations are true.

672
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Speaker 1: I'm just concerned because it's very bad behavior that we

673
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: should not be putting up with in twenty twenty. That's

674
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Speaker 1: all I'm going to say. We shouldn't be giving him

675
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt. But I'm saying we also

676
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: can't take everything for face value. We can't say once

677
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: the court has and that's what I'm saying. I disagree

678
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: with what Amy's saying. That are always two sides to

679
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Speaker 1: every story, so it should be interesting to hear from

680
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Speaker 1: his end what has happened. Well, the fact that the

681
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: court has ruled that he has to stay one hundred

682
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: yards away from it is quite indicative of that he

683
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: has done the wrong book. Can I just say that

684
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: it's sort of It reminds me of the story of

685
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Speaker 1: Caroline Flack when she was accused of assaulting her partner

686
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: and a lot of those information, a lot of that

687
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: information was actually twisted in the media, and so many

688
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: people came after her, not only online but also in

689
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Speaker 1: the press, and this resulted in Caroline committing suicide. So

690
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Speaker 1: it does concern me a little bit because after Caroline's death,

691
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Speaker 1: it came out that a lot of those that information

692
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Speaker 1: had been twisted, and in fact, Caroline had not assaulted

693
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Speaker 1: her boyfriend, that the blood shown in the pictures was

694
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Speaker 1: her own blood. So they're two completely different scenarios. Yeah,

695
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying I feel like we know. I totally

696
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: don't think trial by media, but I do think that

697
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: when a woman comes out and accuses her well known,

698
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: attractive partner, who is put on a pedestal because he

699
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: was the bachelor, of stalking and harassing her and putting

700
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Speaker 1: a device on her car to follow her, that we

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Speaker 1: take that seriously and we will let the courts do

702
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: what they need to do in the meeting Touse, but

703
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: his side of the story should be told as well.

704
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Speaker 1: Of course, in court those will be discussed. I think

705
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: it's it's a very definitely a very sad way for

706
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: that to all in because they did seem like a

707
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Speaker 1: lovely couple at the time. I am so screet, Gina, really,

708
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Speaker 1: I don't know why I did it. I guess it's

709
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: probably because I've got a big lesbian crush on you.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into the influence of Wrap now. Sky Wheatley

711
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: is in hot water again after another insensitive instant story

712
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: she uploaded over the weekend. I feel like someone needs

713
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: to take Sky's phone away from her, because I do

714
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Speaker 1: think that she doesn't mean to be causing harm, but

715
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Speaker 1: it just comes out so badly. So Sky has launched

716
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Speaker 1: an apparel range called Good People Apparel, which seems very

717
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: much a copy of Good American. But that's another topic

718
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 1: for conversation. So whilst announcing the different ranges, so she's

719
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: doing one for kids and she's had to put the

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Speaker 1: adult range on hold. But she's wearing the range, which

721
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: is like a Tide lounge wear tracksuit, so literally what

722
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: every UK Influence released a few years ago exactly. So

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00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: she was talking on a story about the range and

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00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: she put a little note on there saying that I

725
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: wish we were in Melbourne so we could wear them

726
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: every day. Ha ha. How does she think that this

727
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: is funny. It's not funny, particularly, I mean, we're not

728
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Speaker 1: even in Melbourne, and I felt so pissed off those people.

729
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: I feel like saying to it, well, you could get

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Speaker 1: away with wearing every day because you're an influencer who

731
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Speaker 1: mainly sits exactly. I mean, when I'm at home, all

732
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: I'm wearing is trackic. So but what would actually cross

733
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Speaker 1: your mind to think, oh, that's a good way to

734
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Speaker 1: market it, that these clothes are so comfortable you wish

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Speaker 1: you were in quarantine. Now, what I found equally as

736
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: disturbing was a few days before, she put out a

737
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: call out on her in Instagram for a model to

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Speaker 1: appear in the photoshoot for a new apparel brand, and

739
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: apparently one of them had dropped out at the last minute,

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Speaker 1: so she wrote on Instagram, our multicultural models have canceled

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Speaker 1: for tomorrow's Good People apparel shoot. Please dm me if

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Speaker 1: you know anyone. We mainly need a Chinese or Japanese

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00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: woman with a daughter or son. Now this just screamed

744
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: of tokenism to me. I know, it feels like she

745
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: understands that diversity is required in this sort of advertising,

746
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: which is great. I don't want to slam her for that.

747
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: She's more advanced than white Fox boutique. Yeah she is,

748
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: and I feel bad because she's trying to do the

749
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: right thing. But again, she seems so uneducated on this

750
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: topic that it just is offensive because it's just seems

751
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: like it's complete. Token is not even saying Japanese or Chinese. Yeah,

752
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: it's pretty funny because she's had a bit of a

753
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: week of it. She also put out a request looking

754
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: for a new nanny to her she has almost six

755
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: hundred thousand. That's shocked me. I couldn't. I mean, I

756
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: do follow her, so I am to blame in all

757
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 1: of this for following her. Look, we said that before.

758
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: If you don't agree with it behavior, unfollow. Do you

759
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: know what? There are so many influencers whose behavior I

760
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: don't agree with, but I do like to look at

761
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: what they're doing. And I'm sorry, you're just gonna have

762
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: to try a bit harder. I unfollow them and then

763
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: I specifically go and look at their stories. Look, I'm

764
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: monitoring for them for the podcast. Allowed you're still creating

765
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: engagement for them. But I digress back to you're not

766
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: giving them a follow though, but you're creating engagement on

767
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: the answer story. But anyway, Well, going back to the

768
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: whole nanny thing, she said she was looking for a

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00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 1: full time nanny to help her with a domestic workload

770
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: and to look after her son, Forrest. And she explained

771
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: that she needs help, but she doesn't want anyone to

772
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: apply to her who is a follower, despite putting a

773
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: box of people to put their recommendations in, why doesn't

774
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,439
Speaker 1: she just use Google them and find a nanny via

775
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: that method. If you don't want anyone that follows you,

776
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: that's pretty stupid. Well, she said that she wants to

777
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: keep her life super private and wants to be transparent. Sorry,

778
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,720
Speaker 1: this is going to sound rude, but does she actually

779
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: need a nanny like what so she can keep doing

780
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: her TikTok dancers? Well, apparently she might be expecting another

781
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: child soon because they was a bit of a rumor

782
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: she had. She put up a post saying that Forrest

783
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: asked for a sister or brother because celebs spellcheck put

784
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: up a post saying that an influencer was a well

785
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: known influencer was set to announce baby number two, so

786
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: maybe it is sky okay, Well, maybe she does need

787
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: a nanny. Yeah, look, I don't think we can judge.

788
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,479
Speaker 1: I mean, despite what you see online, it's not really

789
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 1: indicative of sometimes what these influencers do. I know she

790
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: does need to do her hair and makeup for four hours.

791
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: That would be time because she did a video or

792
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: a day in the life and it was literally she

793
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: did her makeup for like four okay. Or she needs

794
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 1: to wear a wig when she's promoting a hair curling

795
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: one because she doesn't want to damage your hair. To

796
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: be fair, it might be because she's releasing this apparel

797
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: line and she would be out of you know, her

798
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: home a lot. So anyway, it is a big house too.

799
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 1: Let's move on to Steph cliff Smith. Now, she has

800
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: caused controversy on her Instagram page for doing the right

801
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: thing during lockdown. So she posted a photo of herself

802
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: in bikinis at the beach wearing a mask. Now a

803
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: lot of uneducated people have gone on there and being like,

804
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: why are you wearing a mask? That's ridiculous. You just

805
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 1: keep blindly following the government's rules. It's like what the hell.

806
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: I just thought it was so unfair. She's done the

807
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: right thing and worn a mask outside of a house,

808
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: which is law in Victoria, and she's copying shit for it.

809
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: I suppose that shows how huge her following is though,

810
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: and that it does encompass people from different countries who

811
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: probably aren't living with those restrictions out the way. Oh look,

812
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: do you know what it just shows on social media?

813
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: And in this world you can never do anything right. Well,

814
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 1: I think people were annoyed because the mask was from

815
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: added Ass, and they claimed that she had been paid

816
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: to wear the mask. So she popped up a message

817
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: on her Instagram story saying to all the people questioning

818
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: me wearing a mask or thinking it's ridiculous here in Melbourne,

819
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: we have to wear one anytime we're outside of the house. Now,

820
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: I'm not going to argue your points. Some are fair

821
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: and some are not. But no, I am absolutely not

822
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: getting paid to wear a mask and promote it. I

823
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: just wanted a photo at the beach and didn't want

824
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: to bend the rules or promote breaking the law by

825
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: not wearing a mask. Sorry, talking about masks, I did

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Speaker 1: notice that all the girls from White Fox boutique had

827
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: the masks on the plane. Now I had a problem

828
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: with that. I don't have a problem with Steph clare

829
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: Smith wearing her added S mask. I don't have a

830
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: problem with the influencers wearing a mask. No, but it

831
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: was just a painful other White Fox Boutique photo. It

832
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: was another performative measure showing how beautiful you are on

833
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: the plane with your branded mask. Just the fact they

834
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: were wearing masks showed that they shouldn't be on a

835
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: fucking influencer true, exactly. Well, I think that's all we've

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Speaker 1: got time for today. Thank you so much for listening.

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Speaker 1: It's nice to end with Kate dropping the F bomb

838
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Speaker 1: for our mother to be discussed. Sorry, if you did

839
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: enjoy today's show, we'd love if you could share it

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841
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Speaker 1: and leave us as a review pretty please? Yeah, because

845
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Speaker 1: they do really help the podcast out. And also, I

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Speaker 1: mean feel free to send us dms as well, But

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Speaker 1: if you could go on there. It would be very

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Speaker 1: much appreciated and if you'd like to join in on

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Speaker 1: the conversation, we'll be having threads in our Facebook community,

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