1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: And Amanda gem Nation. 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 2: Musician Hailey Mary is best known as a solo artist 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 2: and a singer with the Jezabel's. Here she is, She's 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 2: a Gigabel singer. I love the Jezabel's. But she found 5 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: herself in hot water. Recently, she posted a picture to 6 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: social media wearing a Margat cap with trump slogan make 7 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 2: America Great Again. She said this led to her being 8 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: all but canceled. She joins us now, Hailey Mary. 9 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, how are you doing very well? 10 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: So tell us the story. 11 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 1: Well, look, the story for me starts with the misinformation 12 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: bill that they're discussing at the moment for Australia. I 13 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: kept an eye on it for a little bit and 14 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: I thought I was a bit I was a bit concerned, 15 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: I think, and in general should maybe be, as is 16 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: the Human Rights Commission. So you know, I'm not alone here. 17 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: But when Trump got in the other day, I thought 18 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: that bill would be discussed a long time down the 19 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,959 Speaker 1: track and I might talk about it then, preferably when 20 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: my own album campaign was over, which I'm in the 21 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 1: middle of. But when Trump got in the other day 22 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: and I was, you know, seeing all the influences and 23 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: artists and everyone I know screaming about how their abortion 24 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: rights were going, which I don't really understand how that's true, 25 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 1: but you know, just very angry at shaving their heads 26 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: and talking about never talking to men again. In the meantime, 27 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: our parliament was actually talking reading through this misinformation bill 28 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: in the Parliament and voting it through, and while it 29 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: can be blocked by the Senate, I still thought that 30 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: was a pretty sneaky move and I thought it looked 31 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: like they were using the Trump election to do that 32 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: without people noticing. Well that's what it looked like. It 33 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: might not have been, but it looked like that to me, 34 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: and you know, amidst the Trump hysteria, so I just 35 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: sort of thought. I'm not an activist musician, but I 36 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: just felt like all of the active ast musicians were 37 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: distracted and had not picked up on this, which they 38 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: should have. And so I thought, I need to post 39 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: about this. But it's such a dry post to post 40 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: about a misinformation bill by the Australian Parliament. It's very boring, 41 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: you know, especially in amidst the hysteria. So I thought, 42 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: what can I do to bring a bit more attention 43 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: to it? And I thought, well, I'll just use a 44 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: bit of shop jock kind of strategy and post me 45 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: in a maga hat and see what happens. 46 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 3: And here we and here we are before we are. 47 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: Look, I knew what I was doing. I've seen people 48 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: get canceled before it's happened, you know, on numerous occasions. 49 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: We've all seen it. And the fallout is exactly what 50 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:42,399 Speaker 1: I expected, all the usual suspects and everything. I went 51 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: through it, and I thought, I still think it's worth 52 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: the risk, because what goods a career in the arts 53 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: if slow authoritarian laws of sort of creeping in and 54 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: with them, just. 55 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 3: With the Misinformation Bill, you want, like I say, with everything, 56 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 3: just free. You want everything as far as all there's 57 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 3: no misinformation, Like it's free speech. 58 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,839 Speaker 1: No, well, there's already limits on free speech. I mean, look, 59 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: maybe a bit. I'm not not a professional on anything. 60 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: I just thought it should be discussed and more discussed. 61 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: But my main concerns with the bill is two things. 62 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 1: One being this definition of serious harm, which is quite 63 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: vague in terms of like, if speech has been deemed 64 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: to cause serious harm to a group or individuals, it 65 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: could be considered misinformation or disinformation, and sense it and penalized. 66 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: But we've seen how that's played out in cancel culture, 67 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: which is, you know, there's statements that you might say 68 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: people believe are actually factually correct or most people believe, 69 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: and they've said them, and then a group has said 70 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: this is this equal serious harm to me and you 71 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: need to lose your job now. Cancel culture is actually 72 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: people using their own freedom of expression. So I'm not 73 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: really raging against that here, even though I don't like 74 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: it that much. My problem is the government taking that 75 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: kind of control. 76 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 2: And sadly, can you just drill down for us on 77 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: what once you posted the picture of you in that hat, 78 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 2: who turned against you? What happened? 79 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: Well, look, to be honest with you, it's come on 80 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: all sides as you can imagine. I mean, the sadder 81 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: part of it would be the friends and even some 82 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: of the family that have gone either angry or silence, 83 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: which I did expect. I hope a lot of that 84 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: will be temporary. I think, you know, it's okay. I 85 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,559 Speaker 1: still think it's worth it because if people aren't really 86 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: your friend, then you're going to lose them in a 87 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: situation like this anyway. So that's fine, sad, but fine, 88 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: and then obviously the entire music industry, which I knew 89 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: would happen, because, as I said in my post, it's 90 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 1: been captured by wokeness. And I don't think it's a 91 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: progressive movement. I think wokeness takes the worst of the 92 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: left and the right. Yeah senses people, So yeah, I 93 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: was willing to make that sacrifice. But yeah, everyone everyone 94 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: turned against me. A lot of people are supporting me though. 95 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 3: Particularly it's curious with the word woke, that that Barack 96 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 3: Obama was the one that gave us work years ago. 97 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 3: Instead he said, he said, I just wish people would 98 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 3: stop being so wake and I tend to agree with it. 99 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of changes that goes on 100 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 3: in the media, and often think in regard to the 101 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 3: misinformation build. So when I look at Twitter, I go, well, obviously, 102 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 3: because I've been doing this for a long time, so 103 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 3: I can discern what's real and what's not. So I 104 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 3: wouldn't if I say, for example, Jeff Goldblum was announced 105 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 3: that he'd passed away, and that was on Twitter a 106 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 3: few years ago. I don't know if you remember this story, 107 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 3: and so over and ran with it. Jeff Goldblum's dead 108 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 3: he wasn't dead. Someone has tweeted that, So I would 109 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 3: never report anything directly from Twitter. So my understanding of 110 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 3: the Misinformation Bill is to stop that actually happening. Is 111 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 3: that how it works. 112 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: Look, there may be very good reasons for a type 113 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: of misinformation bill, and I've read it the other day 114 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: because I've realized I should, and there's stuff in there 115 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: that I see, you know, seems pretty reasonable. The main 116 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: concerns are that it's one what I said about the 117 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: definition of serious harm and that being used against just 118 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: normal people saying things that they believe. But also the 119 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: exemptions in there. I mean, the Minister can exempt, you know, 120 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 1: various platforms from the scrutiny of the bill. It also 121 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 1: it excludes like broadcast media and basically legacy media in general. 122 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: So it kind of just looks like it's targeting podcasts 123 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: and social media, which to me, to me looks like 124 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: it's somewhat political. And the only other problem I would 125 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: say is that, well, you might trust the government now, 126 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: but what if a fire right government does get in. 127 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: Do you think that they're not going to use it 128 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: for their purposes. I think we just need to be 129 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: careful before we put in a bill like. 130 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 2: This is that I'm no margafan, but I would defend 131 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 2: your right to where whatever hack you like and be 132 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 2: whatever you like. Are you seeing the hypocrisy in the 133 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 2: free movement of the arts industry who are anti right? 134 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, look, to be honest with you, I didn't 135 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: wear a Marga hat because I'm a Marga person either. 136 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: I just don't think that all Marga people should be 137 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: vilified in a society where they are the majority. And 138 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: I yeah, I think that there is a censorious nature, 139 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: to homogeneous nature to the art at the moment, and 140 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: that doesn't read as a healthy element of a society 141 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: to me. I think that there should be liberty in 142 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: the arts in particular, you know, in terms of speech 143 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: and expression, and we've shown, I've shown that there's not. 144 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 3: Well, it's great to have you on your show, on 145 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 3: our show, and of course that's content from music writing. 146 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 3: This is great stuff. This is a song. 147 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: Are you're getting us down? 148 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: Oh? Look, I think I've got to get through the 149 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: kind of ruination it's caused for every element of my 150 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: life first. But then I'm sure there'll be a couple of. 151 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 3: It's a free country and you can do you know 152 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 3: you can. We've all got our opinions, and having said that, 153 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 3: you brought it to our attention. So good on you. 154 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 3: Second grade to. 155 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 2: You, Hailey, Thank you. 156 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: I appreciate you having me and. 157 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 3: When you're album man, what are you doing? Just let's go. 158 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: Look my album's out right now. It's separdly I'm right 159 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: in the middle of the album campaign. I probably shouldn't 160 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: have done that, but look, it's called Roman Excess and 161 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: it's out now, and I don't I've just had my 162 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 1: Melbourne Melbourne launch canceled, but I hope that I'll be 163 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: able to play some shows again. If I've only I've 164 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: only voluntarily quit the woke music industry. I'm still open 165 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: to playing gigs if anyone wants. 166 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 2: It's a really interesting Thanks for talking to us today. 167 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. A big fan of your show, 168 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: by the way, it's very nice. 169 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 2: Thank you.