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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Female Athlete Project. My name is Chloe Dalton.

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Speaker 1: I'm an Olympic gold medalist in rugby sevens and because

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Speaker 1: I have commitment issues, have also played two other sports

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Speaker 1: at professional level. The last two seasons, I've played for

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Speaker 1: Carlton in the AIRFLW and prior to that played for

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Speaker 1: the Sydney Uni Flames and the Women's National Basketball League.

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Speaker 1: I'm currently training full time with the Australian rugby sevens

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Speaker 1: for the now Tokyo twenty twenty one Olympics. One of

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Speaker 1: my favorite things to do is to head down to

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Speaker 1: the beach, grab a coffee and the paper, click to

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Speaker 1: the back page and read about sport. I've had enough

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Speaker 1: of only reading stories about men's sport, so I decided

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Speaker 1: to do something about it. One day, female athletes will

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Speaker 1: be recognized by their achievements and not by their gender.

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Speaker 1: Until then, I'm going to chat to and share the

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Speaker 1: stories of epic ossie female athletes. This episode is brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Workplace Law and Athletes Authority, who are

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Speaker 1: both incredible supporters of the Female Athlee Project. Alisha Lucas,

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Speaker 1: known as Quirky, is one of my Aussie seven's teammates.

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Speaker 1: We got to stand arm in arm after the sirens

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Speaker 1: sounded in the gold medal match at the Rio Olympics

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Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, running towards our family and friends who

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Speaker 1: lifted us.

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Speaker 2: Up into the crowd.

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Speaker 1: Quirky is the player that you want on your team

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Speaker 1: in the dying seconds of a gold medal match. She's

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Speaker 1: meticulous in her preparation and planning, has an engine that

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Speaker 1: will go for days, and an unrelenting drive that comes

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Speaker 1: from somewhere deep within.

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Speaker 2: She's a teammate who will yell at you to.

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Speaker 1: Get up off the ground and get back in the line,

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Speaker 2: To pick you up after you've scored a try.

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Speaker 1: Quirk's recently moved over to live in Japan with her husband, Matt,

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Speaker 1: who plays rugby for the Rico Black Rams, and they

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Speaker 1: have very recently welcomed a brand new member of the

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Speaker 1: family who I'm hoping might just make an appearance on

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Speaker 1: the podcast today, Alisha Quirk. Welcome to The Female Athlete Project.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Chloe.

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Speaker 4: I thought I was going to be longer before I started,

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Speaker 3: But thank you Suess we started.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so so much for having me obviously huge

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Speaker 4: fan of yours and also what you're doing with the

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Speaker 4: Female Athlete Project. And obviously Tilly's been listening to you

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Speaker 3: It'll be cool that now she's out she can hear

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Speaker 3: her mum from the podcast. Because I'm a mum, you

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Speaker 3: are a mom.

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Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about what that what that

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Speaker 1: process has been like. So you just recently gave birth

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we had her on the ninth of March and

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Speaker 4: It was a very different birth because of the COVID

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Speaker 3: Had birth, gave birth to her in theater. A few

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Speaker 1: How has it been being back home together the three

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Speaker 4: And my mum always says I was the only one

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Speaker 4: And she always has said to me I hope you

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Speaker 1: I think there's been a few occasions where you've talked

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Speaker 1: representing Australia in touch footy. Can you talk to us

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Speaker 3: And that's you see the.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. You mentioned in there the strength

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Speaker 3: Oh no, I said, Oh, she's not going to be fast, Matt.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to chat to you about your preparation going

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Speaker 4: and the more I could break down, and the more

449
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Speaker 4: that I could just help share that information, And then

450
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 4: it ended up becoming like my role in the team

451
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Speaker 4: as like a ballplayer and a controller and conductor of

452
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Speaker 4: the game. I took on that responsibility, and sometimes I

453
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Speaker 4: took it on probably like if something went wrong, I

454
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 4: was like, oh, I didn't tell her that, and I

455
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Speaker 4: knew that back, or that should I knew that she.

456
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Speaker 3: Was going to do that, and I probably became a

457
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Speaker 3: little obsessive with it. But I felt it was better

458
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Speaker 3: to be like that because I knew that it could

459
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Speaker 3: help us as a.

460
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Speaker 4: Whole team have advantage over opposition and be way more

461
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Speaker 4: successful than if we just rocked up and thought we

462
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Speaker 4: could just beat everyone because we were so fabulous.

463
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Speaker 1: You set very high expectations for yourself in the way

464
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Speaker 1: that you prepare and perform. Where does that balance, then

465
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Speaker 1: life for what you also expect of your teammates who

466
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Speaker 1: are putting on that jersey and running out alongside you.

467
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I find that.

468
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Speaker 4: That's probably the hardest thing to figure out amongst the

469
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Speaker 4: team and to especially if there's no standardized requirements for

470
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Speaker 4: all the team to meet. So I say, if I

471
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Speaker 4: was thinking that we should do X and the team

472
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Speaker 4: was only doing why, then.

473
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Speaker 3: I was still go above why. But if there was

474
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Speaker 3: no why, I would really find it hard to Like

475
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Speaker 3: I was trying to bring everyone to X or to

476
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Speaker 3: my standards, and I found that.

477
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Speaker 4: It took time to be able to people to understand

478
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Speaker 4: that you were only wanting the best.

479
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Speaker 3: For them and the best for the team.

480
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Speaker 4: And it still is, and it's like it's the same

481
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Speaker 4: thinking a lot of things like still is a learning

482
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Speaker 4: process to be able to because you never want to

483
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Speaker 4: lower your expectations for yourself because that's why you've been successful,

484
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 4: that's why you were so good at something, in whatever.

485
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Speaker 3: Facet it is.

486
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Speaker 4: But trying to find ways that you can get other

487
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Speaker 4: people motivated to get to your level, or find out

488
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Speaker 4: more about them as a person and what makes them

489
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Speaker 4: tick and what will make them get get to that level.

490
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Speaker 4: And that's really what I learned towards the back end

491
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Speaker 4: was I had to get to know people a lot

492
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Speaker 4: better and find out a lot more about them to

493
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Speaker 4: help push them to what I thought was the expectations

494
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 4: of the team or what I expected of them. And

495
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Speaker 4: I think it was probably a lot easier for me

496
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Speaker 4: to have those expectations of people because I was on

497
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Speaker 4: the field a lot of the time, so I was

498
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Speaker 4: playing a lot of minutes. So then I felt like

499
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Speaker 4: it was easy for me to say, like you had

500
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Speaker 4: to be I had to do this or do that.

501
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Speaker 4: But if I wasn't probably in that position, I don't

502
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Speaker 4: know whether I'd maybe have the same expectations.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. I don't know now for

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Speaker 1: find out more. We traveled a lot around on the

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Speaker 1: World Series. We would go to a lot of different countries,

530
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Speaker 1: spend a lot of time in hotel rooms. I think

531
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Speaker 1: a lot of the time people think it's quite glamorous

532
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Speaker 1: when you get to travel the world, but it is.

533
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Speaker 2: It's good fun.

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Speaker 1: We get half days here and there to go out

535
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Speaker 1: and explore and see some pretty cool sites. And it

536
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Speaker 1: was a very fortunate part of the job that I'm

537
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Speaker 1: missing a lot due to COVID. Very clear memory that

538
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: sticks in my mind was in a home hotel room

539
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Speaker 1: in Brazil, not in Rio, I believe her in South

540
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: Paalo in a World Series tournament, again a lot of

541
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Speaker 1: time to kill. We were in a pretty quiet area.

542
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Speaker 1: There wasn't a lot around. It was I think it

543
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Speaker 1: was an industrial area and I came across into into

544
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Speaker 1: I think it was your room. There are a lot

545
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Speaker 1: of girls in there, just hanging out with not a

546
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: lot to do, and someone had recently discovered that when

547
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Speaker 1: you're cleaning your ears out with cotton tips, that it

548
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: was more effective if you licked the cotton tip first

549
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: before you put it into your ear. And I was like,

550
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Speaker 1: I've never heard of that, so I was like, sure,

551
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Speaker 1: I'll give it a try. As I go to lick

552
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: the cotton tip before putting it into my ear, I

553
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: was like, that tastes a bit weird, but I guess

554
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Speaker 1: I've never licked a cotton tip before start cleaning out

555
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Speaker 1: my ear.

556
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Speaker 2: Go on to the next one, still bit weird, not

557
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Speaker 2: sure about this.

558
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,959
Speaker 1: Then to realize that Alicia Quirk had given me her

559
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Speaker 1: used hotting tips from her ears.

560
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Speaker 4: What do you have to say, who doesn't look at

561
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 4: the color of the cordon but like it's beaming yellow, Like,

562
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 4: surely find that back in your mouth. But it was

563
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 4: an actually honest accident. The situation wasn't planned, Like I'm

564
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Speaker 4: not that much of a prankster. It was just one

565
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Speaker 4: of those like unintentional, unhilarious moments.

566
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Speaker 3: But it was a mistake between the number.

567
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Speaker 4: There must have been like four in the packet and

568
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Speaker 4: I'd use like two and then given two to Emma,

569
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Speaker 4: and then I must have put one back in and

570
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Speaker 4: been like, oh, Clo, there's one spearing here. So I'm

571
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Speaker 4: but that's the kind of fun that we have on tour,

572
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 4: you know, eating earwax, traveling the world, sightseeing the works.

573
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely the works.

574
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Speaker 1: Talk to me about when you were selected for your

575
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Speaker 1: very first Olympic team to try travel to the Rio Olympics.

576
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Speaker 4: Oh, that was like a huge sigh of relief, I think,

577
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Speaker 4: and when I've heard yourself and I've talked about it

578
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Speaker 4: a lot too, like even after we won the Olympics,

579
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Speaker 4: the relief of winning that, but I think the relief

580
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Speaker 4: of being actually selected and while she's telling me that

581
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Speaker 4: I was going to Rio was massive because I had

582
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Speaker 4: told everyone, like I'd made it my goal. I had

583
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Speaker 4: it obviously written down and was talking about it, and

584
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Speaker 4: I had my four best friends from primary school already

585
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Speaker 4: booked their flights.

586
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Speaker 3: And trips around the world for it. Mom and dad,

587
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Speaker 3: my little brother, like everyone was already coming. And so

588
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Speaker 3: thank god it was. When we got through our last.

589
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Speaker 4: Tournament in Brits, not Brits wherever it was in France

590
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Speaker 4: that we used to go Clement frand that I got

591
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Speaker 4: through injury free, and so I thought, I'm gonna go

592
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 4: here like we're We're good to go. And then the

593
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Speaker 4: team got selected I think a month later, a couple

594
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Speaker 4: of weeks later, and yeah, the overwhelming relief of actually

595
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Speaker 4: being picked was incredible.

596
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Speaker 3: I think the excitement didn't really hit till we watched

597
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Speaker 3: the movie when we went all together.

598
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Speaker 4: We watched a documentary of our journey from two thousand

599
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 4: and twelve twenty eleven twelve to twenty sixteen, of our

600
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Speaker 4: time and our development and how far we'd come, and

601
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Speaker 4: that excitement really hit home then that we'd been selected

602
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 4: and we were going, and we'd done all of this

603
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Speaker 4: incredibly hard work to get this opportunity, and the opportunity

604
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 4: in itself is incredible, and yeah, that lifelong dream had

605
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 4: actually come true was exciting, but more of a relief

606
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Speaker 4: than anything.

607
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Speaker 1: And what was it like getting over to the Olympic village?

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Speaker 1: Was it what you expected and had dreamt about as

609
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Speaker 1: a little kid. Oh?

610
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Speaker 3: I think it was way cooler, way cooler than I

611
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Speaker 3: had ever imagined. And blew my expectations out of the water.

612
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Speaker 4: And I know there was a lot of controversy around

613
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 4: Rio not being ready and toilet issues and security issues

614
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Speaker 4: and all of those things.

615
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Speaker 3: And we had Joe Blow saying to us about, oh.

616
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Speaker 4: This is not as good as London, but like I

617
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 4: was none the wiser of London and how fabulous it was.

618
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Speaker 3: But to me, this was this was the Bee's knees,

619
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Speaker 3: Like it was the coolest thing ever.

620
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Speaker 4: There was buses around the village, there was bikes, the

621
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Speaker 4: food stalls, the diversity of.

622
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Speaker 3: People was incredible.

623
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Speaker 4: I loved being able to like spot the athletes, spot

624
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 4: the sport, what they did. I relished in the food

625
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 4: hole and all of the different options that you could

626
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 4: you could eat. Yeah, I just was blown away by

627
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 4: the magnitude of how cool it was, and because I

628
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 4: knew nothing else, and I hadn't really I'd seen photos

629
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Speaker 4: and vision, but this.

630
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Speaker 3: Was like next level of how cool an opportunity that was.

631
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Speaker 1: I think when I was in the village, the thing

632
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Speaker 1: that stood out to me the most was I remember

633
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Speaker 1: seeing Venus and Serena walk past me one day in

634
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Speaker 1: the dining hall, and I just had this moment of

635
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Speaker 1: that's not Venus and Serena, because I don't walk past

636
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: Venus and Serena in my everyday life. It just felt

637
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: so surreal to be surrounded by people like that and

638
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: to actually stop and be like, I'm in the Olympic Village.

639
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 2: Of course it's Venus and Serena.

640
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Speaker 4: You same Bolt brushing his teeth on the bath and

641
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 4: has no shirt on, Like he's not the hot guy

642
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 4: that lives down the road that you put on like

643
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 4: from the apartment building, Like that's your same Bolt, Like

644
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 4: so I know, like know exactly what you mean, and

645
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,719
Speaker 4: like you're just seeing all these incredible people as well

646
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 4: as that, the Aussie athletes that.

647
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Speaker 3: You just like making a coffee downstairs with in the Hub.

648
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 3: When I say coffee, I don't drink coffee hot chocolate

649
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 3: down the.

650
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Speaker 4: Downstairs in the Hub. All the amazing Aussie athletes that

651
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 4: you've always been in aura of. They're like your teammates,

652
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 4: like they're like cheering you and they're like, go go girl,

653
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 4: go the sevens. Like I don't know who I am,

654
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 4: but I'm like we're part of this huge family. And

655
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 4: that was like cool as well as the obviously the

656
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 4: big Spotlight stars that were also there and all just

657
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 4: on the same vibe like doing like all had the

658
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 4: same purpose, which was cool because everyone there was to

659
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 4: like trying to achieve the same thing in their own way.

660
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 4: And that's what I loved about it too, Like you

661
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 4: could see the determination, the passion, the love, the work,

662
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 4: the years of whatever it took to get there. You

663
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 4: could see that amongst everyone there, and like everyone was

664
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 4: just buzzing, like they're feeling the euphoria, you might say,

665
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 4: was was very cool.

666
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Speaker 1: Once we got past the euphoria of the village and

667
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Speaker 1: got to work. Tell us what it felt like pulling

668
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Speaker 1: on the Australian jersey and getting to run out in

669
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Speaker 1: front of the Brazilian crowd and in front of our

670
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: friends and family as well to compete at the Olympics.

671
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that we actually did play in Brazil

672
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 4: because their colors are green and yellow, and it was

673
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 4: really nice to just pretend that they were all there

674
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 4: for us as well, like very like indescribable in a way,

675
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 4: you know. I guess until I obviously had Tilly, it

676
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 4: would have been the best feeling in the world. And

677
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 4: hands down would say that about anything all the time.

678
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 4: Oh sorry, that actually when we got married too, that

679
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 4: was really fabulous. Sorry Matt, but incredible, like not overwhelming

680
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 4: in a way, but just beaming, smile, so determined, that's

681
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 4: so happy, but also just so like oh right, inspired

682
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 4: to just be awesome. Like it just felt like you

683
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 4: had this energy when you ran out in front of

684
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 4: them and or your family and you saw like all

685
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 4: those people in the crowd and the culmination of years

686
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 4: of like you know, your parents' dreams for you and

687
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 4: their hopes for you and your best like your friends

688
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 4: and Rugby Sjay's vision as well, like all of that

689
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 4: coming together.

690
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 3: It just was incredible.

691
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 4: And obviously you know the feeling, So anything I say

692
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 4: to you is that, yeah, it feels, but it's really

693
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 4: quite hard to describe, but yeah, it's up. There's top three,

694
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 4: top three of the life.

695
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: Just adjusting that while Matt's sitting there listening, what role

696
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: do you think the preparation that we'd put in physically

697
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: and then mentally that you'd put in gave us that

698
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: real level of confidence. It was described while we were

699
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: playing that gold medal match in the anthems beforehand that

700
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: we looked very relaxed and composed heading into that game.

701
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: And I know there were some delays, so we spent

702
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 1: a lot of time in the change room singing songs

703
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: and bashing on lockers. But I know, for me going

704
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: walking out there with my teammates, I had so much confidence,

705
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: like I've said before, that that people like you and

706
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: people like Emily Cherry and and all these other players

707
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: are going to be on my inside shoulder making a

708
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: tackle if I miss it, and I knew how much

709
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: work we'd put in to come out and win that

710
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: gold medal. What was that feeling like And did you

711
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: go in feeling that level of confidence?

712
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred percent.

713
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 4: I say this all the time, like I never got

714
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 4: nervous playing because I had the best players in the

715
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 4: world on my team. Like people always talking about nerves

716
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 4: and things like that, and now anytime I stuffed up,

717
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 4: I'm real people that were going to help me. So

718
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 4: I was sweet in terms of nerves and it just

719
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 4: obviously turned into that confidence as well. And I think

720
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 4: we did so much work meant about like prepping us

721
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 4: in our bubble and our environment. We even had rio

722
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 4: candles that we burnt at nighttime and burnt every meeting

723
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 4: to smell that familiar smell of rio, and then when

724
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 4: we came back into the change and posted our warm up,

725
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 4: it was burning as well. So we had that familiarity

726
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 4: of home and connection and that fire igniting whatever the

727
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 4: metaphor was at the time. But those little things like

728
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 4: actually added up to like preparation of building confidence, and.

729
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 3: We had We did the same things that we did

730
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 3: day to day training, that we.

731
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 4: Sung, we danced, we laughed, we had fun, we napped,

732
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 4: we did just had a routine that really worked for us.

733
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 3: And I think a lot of the.

734
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 4: Preparation then was magnified by some of the words that

735
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 4: the New Zealand coach had said beforehand. And he said

736
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 4: that they're scared of the black Jersey in some roundabout

737
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 4: terms and something about it like that we couldn't tackle

738
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 4: or something like that, and I think, yeah, shut away

739
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 4: from the contact and they're afraid of the black Jersey.

740
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 3: And I think that just fired us.

741
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 4: Up even more and just made us more confident that

742
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 4: you wouldn't for me. I'm like, you wouldn't make those

743
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 4: statements if you weren't scared. Like we're not scared. We're

744
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 4: not saying anything disrespectful about them. We like we think

745
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 4: they're a huge threat and our biggest competitor, but we

746
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 4: would never put them down, and so that just spread

747
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 4: even more confidence than me because I'm like, we're just

748
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 4: going to go out and smash this because we're on

749
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 4: such a good vibe and they're the ones that are

750
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 4: scared right now. But yeah, one hundred percent the same

751
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 4: with like standing next to everyone in our team and

752
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 4: knowing all the work mentally physically that we'd done that

753
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 4: there was no way we were going to lose, which

754
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 4: to me didn't come across arrogant in a way, and

755
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 4: I would never I didn't. I said when I go

756
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 4: to Rio and when I win a gold medal, but

757
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 4: I didn't mean it in an arrogant where I just

758
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 4: met like I have such high belief in myself and

759
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 4: in my teammates that we are going to do this,

760
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 4: that we did it.

761
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 3: We did, which seems like like weird to say.

762
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 4: I woke up and I was like, I'm going to

763
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 4: go win a gold medal and went gode like.

764
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 3: Yeah we did, but we did. We actually did it,

765
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 3: which is so cool.

766
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 1: Every week on the podcast, I have a question from

767
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: a five year old and my grandma. We might start

768
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: with the question from Granny.

769
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 3: Hi, Alicia.

770
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 6: One of my favorite moments was when you landed in

771
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,919
Speaker 6: Sydney on the Quantus plane from Rio and I got

772
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 6: to see Chloe with the gold medal around her neck.

773
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 6: Who has been your favorite person to show the medal too?

774
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 4: And what Grannie, God bless her, I miss her favorite

775
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 4: person to show the gold meal too. I think it

776
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 4: was definitely when we got pulled up into the stand

777
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 4: straight after and we got to I got to share

778
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 4: it with my mom and.

779
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 3: Dad, so I was and then actually just thinking then

780
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 3: I was like I can't wait to show it to

781
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 3: Tilly and to say like, look how cool your mum is.

782
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 4: And she does he know what it means until she's

783
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 4: a bit older. But at the minute, Grannie, it is

784
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 4: my mom and dad. They were my favorite people to

785
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 4: share with. And then I think my new favorite person

786
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 4: will be Miss Matilda.

787
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 2: I like that a lot.

788
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: Fast forward to March twenty twenty, when the announcement was

789
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: made that the Tokyo twenty twenty Olympics were canceled and

790
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: well postponed to twenty twenty one. That meant some pretty

791
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: big changes in your life and has now obviously you've

792
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: got your beautiful daughter, Tilly. But when you got to

793
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: let us all know that you were pregnant and the

794
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: really exciting news, that also meant for you letting go

795
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: of a dream of going to your second Olympics in Tokyo.

796
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: What was that process like for you and being able

797
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: to let go of that dream.

798
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was.

799
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 3: I don't know if I've let go but yet, like

800
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 3: I've still got a button arm jck. Yeah it was.

801
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 3: At first, if I'm being honest, I was.

802
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 4: I kind of didn't really process it because Matt's season

803
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 4: got cancer at the same time, so I was just

804
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 4: stoked that he was coming home and I was going

805
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 4: to get all this time with him and I was

806
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 4: having a little break and we.

807
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 3: Got to just be together.

808
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 4: So I didn't really process the magnitude of it, and

809
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 4: I didn't ever think that I wasn't going to come

810
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 4: back for twenty twenty one.

811
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 3: But I think that time together really made me realize.

812
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 4: How hard the long distance had been and how much

813
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 4: more I want to a family.

814
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 3: And as much as I had hoped that I would

815
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 3: go to Tokyo.

816
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 4: Twenty twenty, retire with a double gold medal, and then

817
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 4: start my family, I felt like I can still achieve

818
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 4: all of those other goals and just put one on

819
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 4: the back burner. And it doesn't mean that I can't

820
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 4: have a double gold medal another time in my life.

821
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 4: It just meant that Tokyo wasn't Tokyo twenty twenty wasn't

822
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 4: meant to be. But that took a lot to get

823
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 4: to that decision. And when you're stuck in isolation for

824
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 4: two weeks, just you and Matt love Matt, not you

825
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 4: and Matt, me and Matt. When you've spent three years

826
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 4: apart and you've never spent longer than two weeks together,

827
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 4: and then you go and spend like, you know, four

828
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 4: or five months together.

829
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 3: Just your priorities really just shift.

830
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 4: And I think because we had the FUSE time away

831
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 4: from Rugby Australia, I kind of got a glimpse.

832
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 3: Of the other side. And I loved the other side,

833
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 3: and I loved the freedom to see my family. I

834
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 3: spent eight weeks at home, which I'd never done in

835
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 3: ten years.

836
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: Wow, And.

837
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 3: You know, I saw my sister and well not actually

838
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 3: my sister, she was locked in Melbourne. But I saw

839
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 3: my brother, my mum and dad, and my best friends.

840
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 4: The most i'd ever been able to see ever, as

841
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 4: well as my own husband and his family.

842
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 3: So I think it just really highlighted how much more there.

843
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 4: Was, as much as I had been so driven and

844
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 4: narrow focused and just like get this job, get this

845
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 4: job done type situation with.

846
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 3: The final year, like final twenty twenty year.

847
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 4: So but I think it was kind of the decision

848
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 4: was then also made a little bit harder because oh,

849
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 4: a bit harder and easier because I guess it's easier

850
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 4: the minute because you poor girls aren't playing, and so

851
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 4: I haven't had the yearning and missing of it as

852
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 4: such yet because I haven't been able to see you

853
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 4: and see you play and admire what you're doing and

854
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 4: feel like I should be out there and a part

855
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 4: of it. So that's been a lot easier in my transition.

856
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 4: But then I've moved to the country where the Olympics

857
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 4: are being held, so it's everywhere I see it every day.

858
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 4: There's posters, there's things, a's talk about it. Every decision

859
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 4: that's made here at the minute in terms of like

860
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 4: COVID and even like the restrictions at the hospital and stuff,

861
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 4: is to put the best foot forward for Tokyo. So

862
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 4: it's in my face all the time, which is fine,

863
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 4: but it just makes it obviously that little bit harder

864
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 4: to let go of that dream a little bit. But

865
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 4: obviously once once I got to hell hold sorry Matilda.

866
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 4: The other day, the first thing I said was why

867
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 4: did I wait so long to have you?

868
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: Like it was?

869
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 3: It was really really special here. Wow, she's really great

870
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 3: and just makes me so happy that I'm I love.

871
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 2: That she's She's very cool already. I like her a lot.

872
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 2: Question next from Rita.

873
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 4: Hi, quirky, what do you want Chillie to play when

874
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 4: she grows up? Yes? I love that, Frida, I've already

875
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:38,720
Speaker 4: thought about it. It was so great question. It's funny

876
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 4: because someone thought that that we were called the Matilda's

877
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 4: and then I named it after my rugby team.

878
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 3: Wow, that's very committed, so funny.

879
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 4: But I was like, yeah, like I love my team,

880
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 4: I love rugby sevens, but I'm not calling her Matilda

881
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 4: because of that. Matt actually picked her name, but it

882
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 4: would be I said to him when you had it,

883
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 4: I was like, how cool if she played for the

884
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 4: Madilda's and she was Matilda, she was tilling, but.

885
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 3: I would love her to have an opportunity.

886
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 4: To play rugby, purely because I loved it and I

887
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 4: loved all the opportunities it gave for me. I love

888
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 4: all the beautiful people and all the beautiful friends that

889
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Speaker 4: I have from it, and I think the values and

890
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 4: lessons you learn from it are so great. But I

891
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 4: think that's also been any team sport as well, So

892
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 4: I would just love her to experience it. But I'm

893
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 4: happy as any parent says, as long as she's happy,

894
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 4: I'm happy for her to do whatever.

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Speaker 3: I think. With strong rugby geenes from both parents, she'll

896
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 3: probably end up at some rugby field in her in

897
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 3: her time, in her time, and she'll be a ball

898
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Speaker 3: be forced upon her.

899
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Speaker 2: And she started like three days old, already started coordination.

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Speaker 4: She did actually were doing my eye movement tracking to Midland,

901
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 4: see if she can find Midland yet, And she's three

902
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Speaker 4: days off.

903
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Speaker 3: Now. I think I might actually start with the more

904
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Speaker 3: like tennis golf type things. See if she's got any

905
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Speaker 3: good potential in.

906
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Speaker 1: That bit of extra cashire off.

907
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Speaker 3: Coach for the rest of our life started, so may

908
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Speaker 3: as well just started.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to know what opportunities you hope that Tilla gets,

910
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: whether that's in sport or any other area of her

911
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: life that because of being a woman, you might not

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Speaker 1: have got when you were younger, as a little girl.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I really hope that, especially off the back of

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Speaker 4: these last couple of years and even the last couple

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Speaker 4: of weeks.

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Speaker 3: At the minute, that.

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Speaker 4: These conversations are the thing that it's by the time

918
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Speaker 4: Matilda is beaming young gal that there is just no

919
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 4: difference between her and her male counterparts, and that she

920
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 4: knows that there is no difference, that all she knows

921
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Speaker 4: is that everyone is the same, that she doesn't even

922
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Speaker 4: have to get a taste of a little bit of

923
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Speaker 4: inequality here and there, because we're evolving and we're changing

924
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 4: and people are adapting, and you should be grateful from

925
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Speaker 4: how far it's come.

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Speaker 3: I just hope, for my biggest hope for her, she

927
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Speaker 3: doesn't have to experience any of that.

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Speaker 4: Because as much as I find that we've made huge

929
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Speaker 4: inroads in like the rugby space and what we did

930
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 4: in terms of our team and challenging the perception of

931
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Speaker 4: what it was like to play female rugby, that sometimes

932
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 4: people think it's so great because look how far you've come.

933
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Speaker 4: And I hate that notion because I shouldn't have to

934
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Speaker 4: come from anywhere that we did. But I just hope

935
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Speaker 4: she doesn't have to experience that level of difference, for

936
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Speaker 4: whether that's in the business place, or on the sporting field,

937
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 4: or just in life in general. She and her cousins

938
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Speaker 4: and all of that young boys that they're just cruise

939
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 4: all the same because there's been a really systemic change

940
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Speaker 4: around gender equality in our country and around the world

941
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Speaker 4: as well. Because yeah, it's bloody time that it definitely happened,

942
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Speaker 4: and hopefully, hopefully it's her generation that gets to reap

943
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Speaker 4: the rewards of it.

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Speaker 1: There's been some incredible people who've come before you in

945
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Speaker 1: the SEVENS program to have given birth, and Nicole Beck

946
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Speaker 1: who came back to play after giving birth to her daughter,

947
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Speaker 1: Sophie and has since had Harper and another a set

948
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Speaker 1: of twins as well. Amy Turner's got a couple of

949
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Speaker 1: beautiful little kids. Emily Cherry who also gave birth to

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Speaker 1: her daughter and has come back to play. First question

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Speaker 1: is are you going to make it come back after Tilly?

952
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Speaker 1: But second question is how do you see that process?

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Speaker 1: The fact that you have this beautiful opportunity to give birth,

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Speaker 1: but it then means that you have to put your

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Speaker 1: sporting career on hold or end your sporting career, whatever

956
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: that option looks like down the track.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that was the like the hardest thing

958
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 4: seeing a lot of my teammates go through that previously, and.

959
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 3: I, you know, and now that I've gone through it

960
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 3: as well, the difficulties that lie with it is.

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Speaker 4: Really hard to comprehend because for me, I felt my

962
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 4: circumstances were a little bit different, obviously because I wanted

963
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 4: to be with my husband in Japan, But if we

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Speaker 4: were in Sydney, I would see no difference in the

965
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 4: way I trained here and the physical abilities that I

966
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Speaker 4: had and did.

967
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 3: That I couldn't do within a professional program, the value

968
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 3: that I could could have added still within the program,

969
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 3: and that I thought both Nicole, Emily and Amy all

970
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 3: would have or did offer to the group. But I think,

971
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 3: like high level elite female athletes are such a different

972
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 3: caliber of human beings and losing us an amount of

973
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 3: them for a natural thing such as childbirth seems so

974
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 3: silly to me that you can they can still be

975
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 3: involved in such different ways, And.

976
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Speaker 4: You look at how desperate we are for female elite coaches,

977
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 4: coaches at the minute, all that, or management staff or

978
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 4: anything in that capacity. That the way an elite female

979
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 4: athlete thinks and behaves and their demeanor is such a

980
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 4: niche group of people that why wouldn't you just have

981
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 4: them involved in your program in a different capacity until

982
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:08,439
Speaker 4: they can have their child and come back and find

983
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,240
Speaker 4: their physical form again. Because your business is only your business,

984
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 4: the sport is a business, or your team as a

985
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 4: business is only going to read the rewards of having

986
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 4: those people involved.

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00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,760
Speaker 3: And that's where I find it difficult. Because you value

988
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 3: them so much to have.

989
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 4: Them as a player, that why wouldn't you value them

990
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 4: to have them as support staff or as a transitioning

991
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 4: pack in between player a position or whatnot. And then

992
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 4: obviously have the opportunities available for them that if they

993
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 4: do decide that having a family and playing is too much,

994
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 4: that's their own choice.

995
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 3: They can make that.

996
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 4: Themselves, not be forced out of the competition or the

997
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 4: environment because there is no other option. So I just

998
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 4: think there needs to be more emphasis plased on the

999
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 4: value that those athletes have in being a mother and

1000
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 4: their understanding each of their empathy towards things, the way

1001
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 4: they can view the world a bit differently lack and

1002
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 4: as a pregnant and during pregnancy I found I had

1003
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 4: so much time to work on other parts of my

1004
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 4: body that I wouldn't have worked on whilst I was

1005
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 4: probably still competing and training at a high level. But

1006
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 4: I feel now if I were, if I was to

1007
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,280
Speaker 4: come back, that I would probably be a lot stronger

1008
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 4: and probably more efficient in the areas that I might

1009
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 4: have been deficient in whilst I was just getting through playing.

1010
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 4: So hopefully one day from a logistical point of view,

1011
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 4: I might be in Australia, so that then there is

1012
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,919
Speaker 4: a capacity that I can play elite sport in Australia again.

1013
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 4: But if not, there's obviously sport in Japan, and I'm

1014
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,959
Speaker 4: obviously not going to play for the Japan sevens.

1015
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 3: But I would love to play at rugby or.

1016
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,720
Speaker 4: So form of capacity over here as well, just purely

1017
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 4: because I love playing team sports and I think it's

1018
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 4: really important for Tilly to see that her mom has

1019
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 4: that capacity to be able to do that as well,

1020
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 4: that her mom's a cool sporting man.

1021
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 2: Yeah she is.

1022
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 1: I love that, that's the motivation for it. I'm looking

1023
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: forward to the day seeing you back playing rugby again,

1024
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: to finish off. Every week we have some would you

1025
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: rather questions? Would you rather throw the cutout pass to

1026
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: win gold or run the full field and score the

1027
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: winning try?

1028
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 3: Never scored a try my life cut out pass?

1029
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: I never my life? For sure too realistic with these questions. Sure,

1030
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 1: In a run it straight challenge? Would you rather tackle

1031
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: Porsche Woodman or Elliet Green? So, for context, Ellia Green

1032
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: plays for Australian Seven's the Green Machine, push Woodman winger

1033
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: who plays for New Zealand. Both incredibly strong and powerful athletes.

1034
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 4: So I'm tackling because the last time I ran it

1035
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 4: straight in that were two condril defects in my knees.

1036
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 3: So I'm glad I'm the tackler in this scenario.

1037
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 2: You're the tackler.

1038
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 3: M hmm.

1039
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 4: I'm going to say push a Woodman because I think

1040
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 4: Ellie Green would just steamroll me over the top, So

1041
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,720
Speaker 4: I'd rather tackle someone that I could tackle.

1042
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 2: Number three?

1043
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 1: Would you rather only be able to whisper or only

1044
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: be able to shout for the rest of your life?

1045
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 4: You taking the mickey because I feel like I already

1046
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,760
Speaker 4: just shout the whole whole life, so I'll stick.

1047
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:45,240
Speaker 3: With the shouting.

1048
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: I could good. I thought maybe you'd changed its having

1049
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: a newborn baby. But I'm glad that you've stuck with shouting.

1050
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 2: I thought you were going to do that.

1051
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:57,280
Speaker 4: I'm glad that Tilly can deal with background noise because

1052
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 4: I have not stopped the whole time. I'm on FaceTime too,

1053
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 4: like everyone talking to her the whole time, so and

1054
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:04,760
Speaker 4: she's just fast asleep.

1055
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 2: So I love it. Good. You've done well.

1056
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on today, Quicks. I've

1057
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 1: absolutely loved having a chat with you. It's been really

1058
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: cool just seeing this different side to you now that

1059
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: you've become a mother, but even reminiscing on some of

1060
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: those amazing memories in Rio and everything that we got

1061
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: to experience there was really special. So thanks so much

1062
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: for taking the time while Tillie naps in Matt's arms

1063
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: on the couch, I really really appreciate it.

1064
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 2: And yeah, absolutely love chatting to you.

1065
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 3: No, it's my absolute pleasure.

1066
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 4: Like I said, honor, I've been fangirl of you and

1067
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 4: the whole podcast and everything you're doing in terms of

1068
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 4: changing the script around news and information around female sport,

1069
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 4: and I feel absolutely honored to be involved in the project.

1070
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 4: And I think you're doing such a great thing and

1071
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 4: it's awesome that I can help.

1072
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 3: Be a part of it.

1073
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

1074
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: Oh and last thing before I forget, where can people

1075
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: find you on Instagram?

1076
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 3: Alicia underscore quirk is my Insta handle where you probably

1077
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 3: see zero rugby photos going forward? Just Tillie spam.

1078
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 2: Good love that. I can't wait, cannot wait.

1079
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, My pleasure, my pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for listening.

1081
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Speaker 1: If you enjoyed this episode, would love it if you

1082
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: could send it on to one person who you think

1083
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: would get something out of it. A big thanks to

1084
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: my team Bailey, Mike, Bez and Millie. I couldn't do

1085
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: it without you.

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Speaker 2: Guys.

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Speaker 1: Find us on Instagram at the Female Athlete Project. See

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Speaker 1: you next time.