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Speaker 1: Jumb Mission with Jonesy and Amanda.

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Speaker 2: In March twenty twenty, when We're all in lockdown, we

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Speaker 2: were saved by a quirky television series called Tiger King

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Speaker 2: Love Them or Hate Them? We all learned about the

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Speaker 2: feud between the Big Cat enthusiasts Joe Exotic and Carol Baskin. Well,

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Speaker 2: now there's a star started television series Joe Versus Carrol

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Speaker 2: at stars Carl McLaughlin as Carol's second husband, Howard, and

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Speaker 2: he joins us now calt.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, how are you nice to see you? Well?

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Speaker 3: Great? I was wondering that the question would be why

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Speaker 3: would you sort of make this because it was kind

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Speaker 3: of it was done, wasn't it. There was no stone

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Speaker 3: left unturned when you watch this particular series.

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Speaker 1: Well, there was a lot of information covered in the

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Speaker 1: original series, but to be honest, I think the people

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Speaker 1: that we met are much more complicated in detailed than

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Speaker 1: we were given given to believe in the documentary and

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Speaker 1: the Raiders' effort. Eton Frankel and Keate McKennon, who stars

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Speaker 1: as Carol and also one of the producers, decided we

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Speaker 1: really needed to discover these people and find out what

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Speaker 1: makes them tick. So in Carol and Howard's case in particular,

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Speaker 1: we really go back and do a detailed examination of

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Speaker 1: how they got to be where they are. And I

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Speaker 1: think that really we've created made it into sort of

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Speaker 1: a dramatic retelling of this period of time that I

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Speaker 1: think is fascinating.

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Speaker 2: Interesting because Howard is Carol's second husband, and as we

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Speaker 2: discovered in the series, some murky moments around what happened

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Speaker 2: to the first one was he fed to the cats?

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Speaker 2: What's Howard's story? Does he know her background?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Well, you know, they met and we actually have

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Speaker 1: a wonderful flashback sequence of their first meeting and they

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Speaker 1: sort of immediately became sort of infatuated with each other.

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Speaker 1: And Howard is quite successful in his own right, and

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Speaker 1: he's a businessman, lawyer and had his own companies and

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Speaker 1: meets Carol and is quite taken with her. And I

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Speaker 1: think in a way they found they found each other's soulmates,

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Speaker 1: and they are. They're a wonderful a wonderful representative representation,

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Speaker 1: I should say, of what a of what a relationship

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Speaker 1: can be. They are each other's uh support system. They

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Speaker 1: love each other. They're both kooky and a little quirky,

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Speaker 1: and we get to see some of that in the

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Speaker 1: in the times when they're not on camera, and it's

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Speaker 1: a it's a really kind of a wonderful journey.

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Speaker 3: When it first came out, you would have seen it,

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Speaker 3: and did you think these guys are nuts?

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Speaker 1: Well, they're certainly passionate. They they're so passionate about what

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Speaker 1: they believe in that they've it's sort of driven them

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Speaker 1: to the extreme, both in terms of their love of animals.

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Speaker 1: I mean Joe on one side, and then and Carol

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Speaker 1: on the other side, rescuing and trying to trying to

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Speaker 1: save these creatures. And so you you and and the

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Speaker 1: way the documentary was put together I think was more

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Speaker 1: of an eccentric uh, you know, kind of a free

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Speaker 1: for all, and I think there's much more. We're much

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Speaker 1: more responsible, I think in our approach. It's still over

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Speaker 1: the top and fun, but you really get the understanding

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Speaker 1: of not only Carol but also Joe and where he

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Speaker 1: came from and what were the situations in him in

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Speaker 1: his life that created this turbulence. And you have I

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Speaker 1: think you have more empathy for these characters once you've

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Speaker 1: seen our show.

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Speaker 2: You've had an interesting journey recently here you are talking

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Speaker 2: about this series, but also we saw you in the

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Speaker 2: pratas in Prada's Milan fashion Week, looking extraordinary in your

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Speaker 2: way down the catwalk, and Jeff Goldblum, what a what

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Speaker 2: a what an interesting few months you've had.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that was a surprise, something I didn't ever think

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Speaker 1: was really going to happen because of the pandemic. And

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Speaker 1: there found myself in Milan with Jeff Goldblum and a

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Speaker 1: number of other young actors, young talented actors, all walking

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Speaker 1: down the runway for fun and having a kind of

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Speaker 1: a nice time. Yeah, it was a kind of a

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Speaker 1: kind of a magical moment.

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Speaker 2: Did I let you keep the clothes?

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Speaker 1: Oh? No, sadly no, But but that's okay. We had

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Speaker 1: other things we had, We had, we had, we had

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Speaker 1: of wonderful dinners. We got to see the institution there,

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Speaker 1: the foundation, the product foundation, and I think I think

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Speaker 1: I did manage to come away with the jacket. So

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Speaker 1: I think we're.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, Well, because over here we have a men's

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Speaker 3: wear range called Low's and they specialize in fleecy clothes

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Speaker 3: and high vis so I'm I'm hoping to be the

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Speaker 3: face of that one day that.

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Speaker 1: Would be I think that would go over very well.

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Speaker 1: I remember Lowe's when I was there. We were Brisbane,

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Speaker 1: of course, yes remember it.

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Speaker 2: So there you go, that's the Brisbane Tuxeede.

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Speaker 3: Carl McLaughlin wears lows I think.

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Speaker 1: This is thanks Jonesy. Well you and I can go

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Speaker 1: it together.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a lot that's happening, Kyle. It's so great

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Speaker 3: to talk to you Joe versus Carol streaming only on

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Speaker 3: stan Carl McLaughlin, thank.

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Speaker 1: You, pleasure. Nice to be with you too.

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Speaker 3: Thank you to thank you Jonesy and Amanda's