1 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to another episode of Outspoken. Now is 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: it just me or is every man and his dog 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: in Europe? 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 2: At the moment? 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: Everyone in my feed seems to be there, and one 6 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: of our best friends is there at the moment. And 7 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: it's an odd one because I almost live for his posts. 8 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 2: They always get uploaded in the evening and I'm like, 9 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 2: oh my god, it looks so great. 10 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: And I said to him before he left, please put 11 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: a lot on Instagram. But then at the same time, 12 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck you, like it looks so nice, especially 13 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: when it's so cold. It's raining at the moment. As 14 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: you can probably hear, I am planning a honeymoon though 15 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: that I think his trip is inspiring me to actually 16 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: get my ass into gear and book my honeymoon, which 17 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 1: is not in Europe. 18 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 2: Yeah. 19 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: Well, I laughed because his TikTok popped up and I 20 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: need to play it for you. 21 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 2: You don't need to have some more of your friends 22 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 2: who are on vacation in Europe right now, because they're 23 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: all constipated, you know. So it's like it's not that great. 24 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure it's fine. 25 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 3: I would go, but there are constant you have to 26 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 3: remember find comfort in that. 27 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 2: I do find comfort in that. 28 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: I think whenever you travel overseas, there is always a 29 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: level of constipation that hits you. It doesn't matter what 30 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: part of the world you travel to. It's because you 31 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: were out of your comfort zone. And I think that 32 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: that aeroplane trip with the horrible plane food really fucks 33 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: you over. There were so many people in the comment saying, oh, 34 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: my god, I'm only just doing my first holiday pooh 35 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: in Spain at the moment listening to this, Oh, that's 36 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: not good if they're in Spain, because at the moment, 37 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: some of the locals are protesting about the level of 38 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: tourists there because they're saying that they are increasing the 39 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: cost of everything. The cost of living is already so 40 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 1: high there, so they've taken things into their own hands 41 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: and they've been getting water pistols and they've been spraying 42 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: people they think a foreigners at restaurants. Oh, that would 43 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: piss me off so much, particularly if you're you know, 44 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,559 Speaker 1: you see all these girls who have their perfect euro 45 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: summer outfits, Like, I know you didn't really buy into 46 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: that when you went there, but some people are so 47 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: obsessed with getting the right holiday photo in Europe, so 48 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: they say, I know that you were you were well. 49 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 1: I look at some of these people's photos and I 50 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: think you looked lovely. 51 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 2: There I'm saying you didn't get caught up in it. 52 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is some of these people would 53 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: only go out with the intention of taking a photo 54 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: for Instagram and looking perfect. And when Dale and I 55 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: were over in Europe in twenty nineteen, we went with 56 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: the intention of actually going out and seeing things and 57 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: looking at the historically. Yeah, exactly. I don't understand how 58 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: these people managed to look so good. I was trapesing 59 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: around in like Sancho's tights, like you are sweating so much. 60 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 2: You know, you do your hairds. I'm like, why did 61 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: you wear tights in Europe? Oh? 62 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: Sorry, I it was mainly shorts, but yeah, sorry, you 63 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: wear tights. 64 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:48,519 Speaker 2: Everywhere though, Yeah you were. 65 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: I'm thinking of when we went to the Vatican, because 66 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: you had to have your like under your knees covered. 67 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:55,679 Speaker 1: And I don't understand because at the start of the 68 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: day I would try and do my hair nicely, thinking okay, 69 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: we might get a photo or something. Why the middle 70 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: of the day you're stripping in sweat. 71 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 4: Yeah. 72 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: The humidity and the heat is a hard one to 73 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: get a photo as I touched on. I am planning 74 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: my honeymoon finally, and I'll probably change by the end 75 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: of the week, but I'm thinking we might go to Fiji. 76 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 2: So if there's anyone listening who has. 77 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: Been to Fiji before, please let me know what island 78 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: you stayed on, where's good places to eat? I need 79 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: some inspiration, but I need to act quickly because I 80 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: want to go in August or September because any later 81 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: and apparently they're cyclones, so I don't know. 82 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: That freaks me out, but. 83 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 4: I just wanted to clarify because I really value being 84 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 4: fully transparent where I can. 85 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: Abby Chatfield has been forced to admit she accepted money 86 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: for a stage pap shot shortly after appearing on The Bachelor. 87 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: The admission came after the popular media personality called out 88 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: the paparazzi from making a career out of following. 89 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 2: Her on walks. 90 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: She also denied setting up a recent pap shot with 91 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: her new boyfriend, Peeking Duck singer at Ah. Now, Soovie, 92 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: can you tell us about these recent pap shots? 93 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 2: Yes? 94 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,119 Speaker 1: So, last week Abby was papped on a dog walk 95 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: with Adam, and in the photos she was wearing a 96 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: tracksuit with no makeup on. She also had her two 97 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: Cocker spaniels on a lead, but they were tied around 98 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: her waist so she was being pulled in every direction, 99 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: whilst her boyfriend Adam looked really out of place, so 100 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: he was wearing black jeans and a leather jacket. Now 101 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: corners of the Internet began to speculate if the couple 102 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 1: set up these photos, with people questioning why Adam would 103 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: be in his rock star get up whilst on a 104 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: casual dog walk. Now Abby responded on her TikTok, saying this. 105 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 5: This is so fucking funny, because why the fuck would 106 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 5: I call paparazzi on myself to video me walking in 107 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 5: a dirty tracksuit on a Tuesday morning without makeup on 108 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 5: while Adam's in a. 109 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 4: Leather jacket after going on the morning show? Like, what 110 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 4: do I get from that? If I was going to 111 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 4: call paps for myself, i'd call paps on myself or 112 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 4: something interesting, But unfortunately I don't have anything interesting going 113 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 4: on in my day to day life. All I do 114 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 4: is hang out at the dog park with my dogs 115 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 4: and walk that cafe to get a cheese stick. 116 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 1: Well, I saw this video on TikTok because there's a 117 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: few accounts that share these candid paparazzi moments. And I 118 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: could tell the moment that Abby had clocked them because 119 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: she quickly grabbed onto Adam's hand, because she's so clever, 120 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: because if you saw the shot initially, they could have 121 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: made it look as if, oh no, they're not really 122 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: into each hole. They were sort of walking separately. I 123 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: didn't think for a second that these photos were set 124 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: up because, as Abby said, you're hardly going to cool 125 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: them down when you don't have a sceric of makeup on, 126 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 1: you're wearing a dirty tracksuit. And also you'd think that 127 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: she would try and get her outfit to match his 128 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: fire because he was dressed up. She was looking daggy. 129 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: I thought, poor Abby, they've caught her when she had 130 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:55,559 Speaker 1: no idea. 131 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can. 132 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: Tell when it's a fake pap shot when everyone's looking 133 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 1: their best in the photos turn out really well. Yeah. 134 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: Under this clapback video that Abby created, a follower chimed 135 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: in saying, would have been better if you were picking 136 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: up dog shit. I gottic pac moment, and in response, 137 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 1: Abbi created a montage of pap shots throughout the years, 138 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: and it showed her walking alone with her dogs, and 139 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: the caption said grown men making a career from following 140 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: women on walks and taking photos. 141 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 3: Now. 142 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: This post seemed to ruffle some feathers because it led 143 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: to a follower accusing her of having a working relationship 144 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: with The Daily Mail. So the follower wrote, someone from 145 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: the Daily Mail says you would email them once a 146 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: week with updates about where you were so you could 147 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: be photographed. 148 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 2: Can you respond now? 149 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: Abby hit back, writing clearly a troll comment, but maybe 150 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: laugh and responded with this video. 151 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, babe, Yeah, babe. I definitely emailing Daily Mail or 152 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 4: once a week. I'm paying my assistant to make sure 153 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 4: those emails go out to make sure that I get 154 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 4: photos of me walking my dog for three viewers on 155 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 4: Daily Mail. Ahnate it, aned it. I can't even fucking 156 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 4: reply to an email about my parking fines that will 157 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 4: result in me losing my license if I don't pay. Babe, 158 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 4: you think I'm proactively emailing anyone the Daily Mail to 159 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 4: come and follow me on a walk. You know how 160 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 4: fucking traumatizing this shit is? Do you understand, like, it 161 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 4: is funny that you think this, but it's also pretty 162 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 4: crook like that you don't comprehend how crazy it is 163 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 4: to be followed by grown men. Why the fuck would 164 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 4: I want that? Why the fuck would I want that? 165 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 4: S Yeah, show me the emails, find the emails, and 166 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 4: show me the emails. I lave to Sam. I love it. 167 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: So it appears someone may have provided Abby with a 168 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: receipt because less than twenty four hours later, she returned 169 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: to TikTok to reveal she had previously set up a 170 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: pap shot, so Abbi wanted to make it clear it 171 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: was a one off that happened in December twenty twenty, 172 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: when she was new to the entertainment industry. 173 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 4: I actually have called the Perhaps on myself, not like 174 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 4: called them all I've been somewhere, but I have done 175 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 4: a deal with Perhaps in the past for them to 176 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 4: be able to take photos and sell photos of me 177 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 4: doing something I. 178 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 3: Was already doing. 179 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:19,679 Speaker 4: And that was one time, and it was in two 180 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 4: thousand and twenty, a month after The Bachelor had aired. 181 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 4: It wasn't for attention. It wasn't to like have peraps 182 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 4: taking photos of me. It was that I was fucking 183 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 4: skinned now. 184 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: The pap shots in question were of Abby and Danny Clayton, 185 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: who is a TV presenter, and I totally forgot that 186 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:39,479 Speaker 1: she dated him. 187 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 2: This was a year before. 188 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 1: Abby and Conrad b and Stevens got together. I had 189 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: to go back through the archives because I was so 190 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: curious to see what the photos look like and also 191 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: what the article was about. So the headline read clinging 192 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: on for dear life. The Bachelor's Abbi Chatfield loses her 193 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: bikini top in the ocean while ramping up the PDA 194 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: with her new boyfriend and Danny at Bondai Beach. And 195 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: in the photos, Abby does appear to lose her bikini 196 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 1: top in the water, and the article described it as 197 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 1: Abby suffering a major wardrobe malfunction. I wonder now if 198 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: this was a legitimate wardrobe malfunction or if they agreed 199 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: to it because they knew it would be good for clicks, 200 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: because this was just months after Abby created headlines for 201 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: dry humping Matt Agnew on the beach during the Bachelor series. 202 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: Was Abby also very glam in these photos, like they're 203 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: sort of coming back to me now? 204 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 2: Yeah? 205 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: Well, I wouldn't say she had a full face of 206 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: makeup on It was when she had her blonde, curly hair, 207 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 1: she was wearing a bikini. 208 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 2: She it was really interesting. 209 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: To hear Abby explain how this pap deal worked, because 210 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: I haven't really heard an influencer or a celebrity break 211 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: it down in this way. So she confirmed that she 212 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: and Danny got paid one five hundred dollars each for 213 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: the deal, which she said was a lot of money 214 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: for at the time because she had recently left her 215 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: job to the trolling that she was receiving from appearing 216 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: on The Bachelor, and this money was going to cover 217 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,719 Speaker 1: ten weeks of her rent. She said that the journalist 218 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,839 Speaker 1: initially reached out with the opportunity and Abby and Danny 219 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: were already planning on going to the beach, So the 220 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: journalist said, you're doing it anyway, why don't we all 221 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: make money from this opportunity. So then the journalist liaised 222 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: with the paparazzi and that's how the story got up. 223 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: I feel like Abby was under some form of pressure 224 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: to reveal this story. 225 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 4: Here's what she said, but I wanted to clarify because 226 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 4: I really value being fully transparent where I can, or 227 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 4: when I feel prompted to I'm sure there are things. Well, 228 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 4: there are things you guys don't. 229 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 3: Know about me. 230 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 4: I'm a mystery. But being an oversharer and doing this 231 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 4: for work, I want to be completely honest. But it 232 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 4: wasn't for attention. It wasn't just to have perhaps the meet. 233 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 4: It was because I was skinned and I needed money, 234 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 4: and it was one time. 235 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: I wonder if she was worried that this journalist or 236 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: someone from the Daily Mail was going to leak their 237 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: past email and make her look like a liar. 238 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 2: Because for Abby, so. 239 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: Much of her brand is built on transparency. She is 240 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: an open book on her podcast and also on social media. 241 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: She's been so honest recently answering questions. On our recent 242 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: Subs episode, we go into how Abby discusses how she 243 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: makes more on social media than hosting a TV show, 244 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: So she isn't shy to hide away from those big questions, 245 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: and in this case, it was better for her to 246 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: actually reveal the truth than to try and hide it, 247 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: because hiding it would damage her brand and reputation more. Yeah, 248 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: she really had to come clean with this information. I 249 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: like that she gone in before anyone else could change 250 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: the narrative. As well, because her reasons for accepting this 251 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: pap deal were pretty reasonable, and I think that other 252 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: people in the same situation as her would have done 253 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: the same thing, because, as she said, she doesn't have 254 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: a problem with celebrities or influencers arranging these deals as 255 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: long as there is consent in place, because the people 256 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: in the photos aren't being exploited if they're being paid 257 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 1: and have consent. 258 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 2: I mean, it does bring into question. 259 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: The legitimacy of the reporting and just how set up 260 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: some of these stories are. Yeah, I think the issue 261 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: is that it's a real double edged sword because I 262 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: can see why Abby would have agreed initially to have 263 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: that deal with the paparazzi and to do those set 264 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: up shots, but it sets this precedent that she's almost 265 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 1: open to having a photograph taken in public. That's why 266 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 1: I think it was really important for her to reiterate 267 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: in these videos just how often she is stalked by 268 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: the paparazzi. So she said that this happens on a 269 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: daily basis, and she described the experience as being very traumatic, 270 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: and she said that it's made her become very paranoid 271 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: when she's out alone. 272 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 2: She explained that every. 273 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: One of her daily walks is followed, and she's also 274 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: fearful that her phone conversations on those walks are being 275 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: recorded for people to profit off and it would be 276 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: so frightening because she said that some of these photos 277 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: of her that are being published are. 278 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 2: Of her outside her apartment. 279 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: Building entrance, which is easily identifiable. 280 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 2: And while it feels like she. 281 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: Did initially make a deal with the Devil, I don't 282 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: think it means that she is open fodder for the 283 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: Daily Mail. I'm sure that they have this opinion that 284 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: because she was happy to accept payment, that's her signing 285 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: away any privacy that she has. 286 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: But I think that we need to have a. 287 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: Look at the disparity of power between Abby and the 288 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: Daily Mail at that time, because she was only twenty 289 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: four years old, she'd just come off a reality TV show, 290 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: she was making very little money and it seemed like 291 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: her way to make ten weeks worth of rent. 292 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 2: She didn't have a crystal. 293 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: Ball out and vision that she was going to be 294 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: one of Australia's top media personalities and she was going 295 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: to be followed daily. It's a difficult one for celebrities 296 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: because it is such a complex relationship they share with 297 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: the media because in order to promote their projects, they 298 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 1: need to feed the beast and they need to give 299 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: them what they want. But then when they turn around 300 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: and say, hey, guys, I actually want some privacy, the 301 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: media says, well, you can't take the good without the bad. 302 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I sound crazy, like I sound like 303 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 3: a fucking surgery obsessed motherfucker. 304 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: Hub Gold Coast influencers. Sky Wheatley has revealed she's traveling 305 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 1: to Turkey to undergo fox eye lift surgery and potentially liposuction. 306 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: The reason I'm a celeb winner who joped that she 307 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: is surgery obsessed, that she knows she's going to be 308 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:22,479 Speaker 1: judged for her admissions. 309 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 3: So I am going to Turkey. I'm going to Turkey 310 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 3: and I booked in with a really good doctor. I 311 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 3: know two girls from Australia who have gone to see 312 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 3: this particular doctor. 313 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 4: I've done a lot of research. 314 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 3: I am getting the fox I lift, yeah, which is 315 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 3: pretty much like a half facelift. But the surgery itself 316 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 3: is actually not too invasive. There's no scars. 317 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: This procedure is gaining a lot of traction on teak 318 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: toog because apparently am and shape eyes and upturn eyes 319 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: all the rage at the moment so Bella had did 320 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: has been appointed as the poster girl for this trend, 321 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: with red carpet photos of her all over cosmetic surgeon's websites. Now, 322 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: this treatment is supposed to give you an elongated arm 323 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: and shaped eye with this upwards tilt. And there are 324 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: two different ways to achieve this look. So there is 325 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: the surgical and the non surgical method. I'm sorry, but 326 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: this is just so ridiculous. I mean, where do the 327 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: beauty standards end in terms of if you don't have 328 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: this shaped eye, apparently you're not beautiful. 329 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, it is. 330 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: It's really scary because with platforms, particularly like TikTok, it 331 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: seems that every month there is this new trend and 332 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: this new beauty standard that is so impossible to. 333 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 2: Live up to. 334 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: I mean it seems fucked as well, messing around with 335 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: your eyes. 336 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 337 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: In Sky's case, she is claiming that she wants to 338 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: get this procedure done because she feels like her eyelids 339 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: are droopy and she's looking old. 340 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 2: I mean, she's thirty years old. She is a stunning woman. 341 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: It's so hard because I think that if you want 342 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: to get plastic surgery to make yourself feel better, that 343 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: is your business. But in this instance, it's so hard 344 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: to look on because I think Sky looks stunning and 345 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: I don't particularly think she needs any surgery. Now getting 346 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: into these two procedures, so, as I said, there are 347 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: two different ways that you can achieve this look. So 348 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: there is the surgical and non surgical method. So the 349 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: less extreme method is a thread lift technique. So the 350 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: doctor inserts a thread surgically under the skin and then 351 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: they anchor up the eye in place, so as the 352 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: thread dissolves over time, it's supposed to apparently stimulate collagen 353 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: production which helps maintain the lifted effect for up to 354 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: two years. Oh, now, what Sky Wheatley is opting for 355 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: is the surgical method. So because she thinks that she 356 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: has sagging and drooping under her eyes, she is opting 357 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: to get small incisions made around her temple or along 358 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 1: the natural creases of her eye, and then the surgeon 359 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: lifts and repositions the tissues around the eye, creating that 360 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: desired arm and look, and in some cases the muscles 361 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: around the eye have to be repositioned and excess skin 362 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: has to be removed to reduce that sagging. So is 363 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: this really about reducing the sagging of her eyes or 364 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: is it because she wants this new arm and eye 365 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: trendy shape. 366 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 2: It's not exactly clear. 367 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: In this initial post, she is saying it's because she 368 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: feels she looks old around her eyes. Now, she said 369 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: that she doesn't want the results to be dramatic. 370 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 2: Here's what she said. 371 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 3: I don't want it to be bucking hectic. I literally 372 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 3: want the smallest little lift. I don't want to look crazy. 373 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 3: I don't want to look to I don't want it 374 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 3: to look hectic. I don't want my eyebrows to be 375 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 3: much higher than they are, because I feel like they're 376 00:17:55,960 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 3: already so high. But I just want a little bit 377 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 3: of a lift, like when my host is relaxing on me. 378 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 2: Anyway, I know people are gonna think. 379 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 3: I'm being fucking dramatic, but I've wanted this for a 380 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 3: very long time. I know a few people who have 381 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 3: had it done and they look amazing. 382 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 2: It's not what you think. 383 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 5: Like. 384 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 3: I know people watching this who don't really know much 385 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 3: about surgery are going to be like, you're gonna look older, 386 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 3: You're gonna look like a forty year old like, that's fine, 387 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 3: I'm still doing it. I know it's not gonna look 388 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 3: crazy because I've told the doctor the look that I 389 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 3: want to achieve. 390 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: I think what worries me about this? And I feel 391 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 1: terrible because I know people are gonna say, you're being judgmental. 392 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: But this is the same person who ordered dodgy eyedrops 393 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: from Thailand to fix a serious medical problem. I know 394 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: I've done research into it. What research on TikTok that 395 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: doesn't count. The scary thing is TikTok is rife with 396 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 1: people sharing their experiences with the fox eye procedures. So 397 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: a TikToker called Nelly Noir, who has over four hundred 398 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: thousand followers, recently traveled to Turkey for a surgical eye lift. 399 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: She is how she described the pain. 400 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 6: The feeling is basically like someone is pulling your eyes 401 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 6: and your eyebrows back, and in the first days there 402 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 6: is a lot of pressure, but it's going down and 403 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 6: at this point I still feel it, but not that much. 404 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 7: So for me personally, it was a very painful, especially 405 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 7: the first days. The mix of everything, the taping your face, 406 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 7: the bruises, the swelling, the headache, it was like a 407 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 7: mix of everything, and it was very painful to me. 408 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 7: I would rate it a seven or a out of 409 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 7: ten A safe fact. I think breast segmentation is less painful. 410 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: Doesn't that just make you feel sick? I have such 411 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 1: a low pain threshold. Now, Nelly wasn't inspired by a 412 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,360 Speaker 1: celebrity to seek out this look, but rather her experience 413 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: on a photo shoot. So she's a model and she 414 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: was taking some photos and the makeup artist use face 415 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: tape to pull her eyes back, and she yeah, and 416 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 1: she loved how it looked, so she wanted to look 417 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 1: like that all of the time. And it's interesting that 418 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: she mentions face tape because whilst Bella had did keeps 419 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: being used as this poster girl for the Fox Eyes, 420 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: she told Vogue, whoever thinks I've gotten my eyes lifted 421 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: or whatever is called face tape? So she permanently wears 422 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: face No, she just wears it when she's on the 423 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: red carpet. Apparently this is something that a lot of 424 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 1: celebrities use. It's so sad because there is so much 425 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: pressure on these celebrities and influencers to look a certain way. 426 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 2: And we've discussed it. 427 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: Before how it seems to be a loosely situation for 428 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: influencers because they get trolled about certain features of their 429 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: face that no one would ever say to that person 430 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: in reality, Like they just get picked apart, and then 431 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: when they go and do something about it, people go, 432 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 1: oh my god, they look fucking terrible. 433 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 2: Why did they do that? But then it's also hard. 434 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 1: For young women and men watching on at home these 435 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: red carpets and these A list celebrities who their face 436 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 1: are all taped up and you have absolutely no idea 437 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: and you're sitting at home thinking why don't I look 438 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: like that? 439 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 2: It's like real life photoshop, isn't it. 440 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: There has been a growing number of Australians booking themselves 441 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 1: in for cosmetic procedures overseas in this bid to keep 442 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: up with the beauty trends we're seeing online. Each year, 443 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: it's predicted that fifteen thousand Australians go overseas for the 444 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: purpose of medical tourism, and there has been a huge 445 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 1: increase of young people traveling to Turkey for not only 446 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: this fox eye surgery, but we're seeing it's becoming a 447 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: bit of a hot spot for hair transplants, lipose suction, 448 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: breast implants and also porcelain veneers, which we know from 449 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: Love Island. 450 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 2: Are referred to as Turkey tea. 451 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: Well, I'm not surprised about the hair transplants in Turkey 452 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: because that's one that's been heavily pushed to men on 453 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 1: social media. 454 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 2: A lot of influences have gone over and got it 455 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 2: done well. 456 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty two, one point two million medical tourists 457 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: traveled to Turkey, bringing in around four billion Australian dollars 458 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: into the country, which is a pretty wild stat The 459 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: draw card really is that it is so much cheaper 460 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: to get these procedures done in Turkey as opposed to 461 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: getting it done. 462 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 2: Here in Australia. 463 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: Well, they're being marketed as very cheap and super speedy, 464 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 1: so clinics are actually putting together travel packages so not 465 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: only is the surgery included, but also the hotel car 466 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: rides between the hotel and the surgery, and there's also 467 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: the option. 468 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 2: Of bringing a friend along. 469 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,239 Speaker 1: I love how they make it seem so glamorous, but 470 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: for anyone who's watched that what's that show called where 471 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: they do the total traits makeover set and they'd always 472 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: have the poor person being wheeled out and they look 473 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: so ill, and they take them to this fancy hotel. 474 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they don't enjoy any of it. 475 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 1: The sad thing is all of this medical tourism is 476 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: having a negative impact on the locals and many of 477 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,239 Speaker 1: them say they feel like second class citizens in their 478 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: own country. And this is down to the public health 479 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: system because a lot of doctors are choosing to turn 480 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: their backs on the hospitals in favor of opening up 481 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: their own private clinics. Turkey is also seeing a lot 482 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: of their top surgeons opting to move country to seek 483 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: better opportunities where they can get more pay and this 484 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: is having wide reaching impacts because it's reducing the standard 485 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 1: of medical care across the board. And that's why we're 486 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: seeing so many Australian specialist plastic surgeons coming out and 487 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: warning about medical tourism because they're saying, well, a lot 488 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: of these countries they don't have the same stringent controls 489 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: that you see in Australia, and in some countries the 490 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: requirements to become a surgeon are very different. What scares 491 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: me about this new trend of fox eyelifts is there 492 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: are very serious side effects. Even if you're opting for 493 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: the non surgical procedures. So one TikToker called Jesse Carr. 494 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: Her video went viral when she shared the results of 495 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: her eyelift, and in the video, she turns her head 496 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: to the side to show large bumps on her temples 497 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: with scars all over them, and she captioned it, I 498 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: can't take myself seriously with the alien emoji alongside it 499 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 1: with the caption hashtag botch surgery. So, in Jesse's case, 500 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 1: these threads dissolved and scar tissue built up around them, 501 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: and it caused these bumps on either side of her head. 502 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of speculation as to whether these 503 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: threads can even hold up the skin. 504 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 2: It all just sounds like a raught. 505 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: There is also the risk that you can damage your 506 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: nerve and blood vessels, and this is when they insert 507 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 1: the threads, which can lead to a big bleed or 508 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: even face paralysis. I am just so surprised that Sky 509 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: Wheatley would seriously be considering traveling for surgery again, because 510 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: she flew to Thailand around ten years ago and ended 511 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: up getting botched breast implants there. 512 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 2: It was highly publicized. Why would you open yourself up 513 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 2: to me no. 514 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: But she's also mentioned that aside from the fox eyes, 515 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: she wants to also lock in liposuction again. So she 516 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: told her followers that she had had liposuction once on 517 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 1: the top of her thighs and that was when she 518 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: had her breast implants fixed. Let's have a listen to 519 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: what she said. 520 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 3: And then I was also king that I would love 521 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 3: to get LiPo in here again because. 522 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 2: My doctor didn't take enough. 523 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 3: Like I had fat craft into my boobs from my 524 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 3: legs when I had my boobs done, and I feel 525 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 3: like there was no difference, Like I was expecting this part. 526 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: To like. 527 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 3: Be a little like I just want a little bit 528 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 3: taken out from this anyway. I also wanted to have 529 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I sound crazy, like I sound like 530 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 3: a fucking surgery obsessed motherfucker, but like kind of am 531 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 3: sorry whatever, just being real about it. I know that 532 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 3: Molly May had liposuction on her arms, and I really 533 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 3: wanted to get it on my arms, true, because I 534 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 3: hold fat in this area in my back, in my 535 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 3: back and. 536 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 4: In my arms, like you would not believe. 537 00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 3: Even if I'm like super super skinny, my arm's still 538 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 3: hold fat. So I was considering having like her on 539 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 3: my arms, but then I've seen some that look crazy 540 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh, I don't know if I want to. So, 541 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 3: because I'm all about the body staying as natural as possible, 542 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 3: I don't want my ass touched. And that's why I'm like, 543 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 3: it's really important that I share everything that I have done, 544 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 3: especially on my body, because I do not want people 545 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 3: thinking that I've had a bit. 546 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: I find it very targeted that she points out that 547 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: she wants people to know that she hasn't had a 548 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: BBL and it's because she's recently released an ebook which 549 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: is telling her followers how they can train to get 550 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: a bum like hers. It didn't stop people from calling 551 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 1: her a hypocrite, though, because one follower said, how can 552 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 1: you promote and sell a booty workout slash weight loss 553 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: program when the results you have are not due to 554 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 1: said booty workout, but are in fact a result of 555 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: continuous LiPo and surgery. 556 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 2: Well, they do have a point. 557 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: It is a little bit hypocritical to be putting out 558 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: a guide when you have had liposuction done. That being said, 559 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: I think Sky does have an amazing body, and a 560 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: lot of it is down to her own hard work. 561 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 2: It's a really difficult. 562 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: One that I'm grappling with because whilst I completely understand 563 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: that it's her body and her choice and she can 564 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 1: undergo whatever procedure she wants, what concerns me is the 565 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: impact that her comments and nitpicking her own body can 566 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: have in her followers, because she ticks every single box 567 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: when it comes down to beauty standards. She might not 568 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: be able to see it herself, but she is a 569 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: beautiful woman. So many of her followers, who are young 570 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: girls would look up to her and say, I want 571 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: her body, I want her facial features. 572 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 2: She looks like a Barbie doll. She looks perfect. And 573 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 2: what happens when her young followers, who don't fit those 574 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 2: beauty ideals watch her pick herself apart online and say 575 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,360 Speaker 2: that she's not happy in her own skin, They're gonna think, well, 576 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 2: if she doesn't feel good enough, what does that say 577 00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 2: about me in the way that I look. 578 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,199 Speaker 1: We had a discussion a few weeks ago when we 579 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: were talking about Shanny Grimmon's and back in the day 580 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: when she got her lips and her boob job done, 581 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 1: and how that had impacted a lot of her followers. 582 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 4: I think the. 583 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: Issue with Sky is the amount of surgery. She's having 584 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 1: a really mounting up and she has admitted that she 585 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: has an obsession with perfection and an obsession with surgery. 586 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,479 Speaker 1: And that's the point that upsets me a little bit 587 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: for Sky, because I don't want her to regret her decision, 588 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: and it's getting to the point where she's doing things 589 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: and she's promoting things that are very nitpicky. They're things 590 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: that she doesn't necessarily need to have done. I ultimately 591 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: don't blame Sky Wheatley or think it's her fault. It's 592 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: this industry that is feeding us these insecurities that we 593 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: never knew we had because with TikTok, there's all these. 594 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 2: Fresh trends that are being pushed on us. 595 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: So if we spend money on certain makeup or certain surgeries, 596 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: hopefully we can look like this hot celebrity at the moment. 597 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 2: And like most trends, they're not going to last long. 598 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: But what's going to happened to you when you've spent 599 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: a lot of time and a lot of money on 600 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: getting something that's now no longer in fashion. 601 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 2: Well, I think that's all we've got time for today. 602 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: Please make sure you are following us on Instagram and 603 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: also TikTok. We're at Outspoken Underscore, the Underscore podcast. 604 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 2: This episode was. 605 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: Recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana people of 606 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: the Adelaide Plaines. 607 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 2: We pay respect to elders past and present.