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Speaker 2: On today's episode with Kirby, the now fifth place contestant
Speaker 2: from this year's Australian Survivor, which is obviously on Network ten,
Speaker 2: I will be talking to Kirby about her time in
Speaker 2: Samoa and of course what she thinks now that the
Speaker 2: smoke has well and truly been snuffed out on her torch.
Speaker 2: Australian Survivor Titans Versus Rebels has been a showdown that
Speaker 2: pits the winners against the underdogs and the big wigs
Speaker 2: against the battlers, with each player competing for the grand
Speaker 2: prize of half a million dollars. Kirby is from the
Speaker 2: hometown of Melbourne, Victoria. A strategic aggressive player right from
Speaker 2: the start, Kirby used her social abilities to arrange numerous
Speaker 2: blindsides to further herself in the game, though her unpredictability
Speaker 2: caused her to be embroiled in a rivalry with Ferris.
Speaker 2: After laying low during the early merge, her strategic position
Speaker 2: saw a resurgence and she initiated a true with Ferris,
Speaker 2: realizing the mutual benefit of his alliance, laying down their swords.
Speaker 2: Kirby and Ferris proceeded to dominate the end game until
Speaker 2: Kirby's target became too great to overlook, forcing her to
Speaker 2: win the remaining immunity challenge to save herself. But unfortunately,
Speaker 2: when she lost the immunity challenge in the final five,
Speaker 2: she was voted out unanimously for being the biggest threat
Speaker 2: in the game. We will unpack Kirby and Ferris's relationship
Speaker 2: once and for all and find out where their relationship
Speaker 2: is at now. Kirby will break down the resume of
Speaker 2: the remaining players and gives us some exclusive details on
Speaker 2: the hot topics. Back at the Jury Villa, I will
Speaker 2: ask about Kirby's prior relationship with a Forma Survivor legend
Speaker 2: and how much of his season did she watch prior
Speaker 2: to signing up. Plus, we'll get some insights on how
Speaker 2: those pieces to camera are made and how that affects
Speaker 2: the castaway's decisions moving forward. There's actually so much to
Speaker 2: unpack with Kirby, and she is so much fun to
Speaker 2: talk with, which I kind of already knew so sit
Speaker 2: back and relax as we dive just that little bit
Speaker 2: deeper into the world of Australian Survivor. How are you mate?
Speaker 3: You Well, yeah, yeah, good, good, big air last night,
Speaker 3: but I'm alright. The family's not so good there in morning,
Speaker 3: but it's sommert It's all right.
Speaker 2: How do you keep something like this a secret? Because
Speaker 2: it would be very difficult. I guess you'd want to
Speaker 2: be tempted into telling people what had happened in Samoa,
Speaker 2: but you know you've got these NDAs and you can't
Speaker 2: tell anyone. How did you go trying to keep all
Speaker 2: of this a secret?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 3: I wanted them to just experience it for themselves. I
Speaker 3: wanted them to go on their own journey, and I
Speaker 3: was curious about the way that they sort of thought
Speaker 3: about the game and the way that they saw me
Speaker 3: play it.
Speaker 1: And what they thought was going to happen. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I kept tight lit.
Speaker 2: Well, you played a sensational game, my friend, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: like just so incredible. I think you will always be
Speaker 2: remembered as one of the most recognizable players that we've
Speaker 2: ever seen in Australian Survivor, which is a win in itself.
Speaker 3: You know that's such a huge compliment. Yeah, and I'm
Speaker 3: so grateful to hear that too. Like, I've never watched
Speaker 3: a game before playing. I work with Luke Toki, and
Speaker 3: when he got on the show, I try to watch
Speaker 3: an episode, but I think it's just in my nature.
Speaker 3: I need to do something to actually learn about what
Speaker 3: it is that this is all about. So hence the
Speaker 3: rookie move of sitting on the fence with Peter. I
Speaker 3: was already sitting in a majority, so I'll learned my lessons.
Speaker 3: But I saw it as a small scale of what
Speaker 3: society is, and that's how I Yeah, that's how I
Speaker 3: sort of approached the game.
Speaker 2: It's really interesting though, because I've actually think that in
Speaker 2: a couple of years time, people will remember you being
Speaker 2: the winner. You know. That sort of happens to people,
Speaker 2: and throughout the history of covering reality television, it's so
Speaker 2: often when I talk to the fans of shows that
Speaker 2: the most prevalent or prominent player that stays in the
Speaker 2: mind ends up becoming remembered as being the winner. It's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, maybe I'll be there when as in their eyes,
Speaker 3: which is I think what my family believes in now. No,
Speaker 3: but it was an incredible experience. Like, I loved it.
Speaker 3: It was so cool.
Speaker 2: How are you feeling now that you've had some time
Speaker 2: to let the dust settle a little bit, because I
Speaker 2: can imagine at the time of being eliminated it would
Speaker 2: feel different to how it feels now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I understood why Ferris saved himself because I've made
Speaker 3: one last reach, I guess to touch his ego and
Speaker 3: just say no one wants to stand next to me,
Speaker 3: and for him to say I'm not scared to I
Speaker 3: thought I had him. Thought he was going to like,
Speaker 3: I'll show you what I'm talking about and play it
Speaker 3: for me. But he looked over at the jury and
Speaker 3: he might have just sensed that maybe it's not the
Speaker 3: way that he was seeing it, which is obviously the result.
Speaker 3: But Yeah, when I walked away, I was just so
Speaker 3: happy with the whole experience. I was so grateful to
Speaker 3: be out there and to be playing this game, and
Speaker 3: I played without any sort of regrets. I just loved it.
Speaker 2: One of the best things that you did. And it
Speaker 2: was interesting because it did polarize viewers at times, But
Speaker 2: for me, I always got this sense that you were
Speaker 2: enjoying yourself because you were smiling, and it was really interesting.
Speaker 2: And I don't know how much you read about what
Speaker 2: people thought about you smiling online, because people either took
Speaker 2: it as arrogance or confidence or just that you were
Speaker 2: enjoying yourself, which is how I saw it. Did you
Speaker 2: see that conversation online and what did you think watching
Speaker 2: it back saying that you were smiling so often through
Speaker 2: you know the ups and downs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I heard about it because people would send it
Speaker 3: and then they'd get on the defensive like, well that's
Speaker 3: their opinion, like it is what it is, But I
Speaker 3: loved it. Like, like I said, I didn't watch the game,
Speaker 3: so I didn't understand what the expectations were. I didn't
Speaker 3: understand what the norm was. To be able to play
Speaker 3: this game as well, and for me, the Peter vote
Speaker 3: and to be able to do a blindside with the
Speaker 3: first ever move without any having any sort of idea
Speaker 3: what that even meant.
Speaker 1: That was massive.
Speaker 3: So I got this excitement, and every time I went
Speaker 3: to tribal Council, it's like going to a Grand final
Speaker 3: and you didn't know what was going to happen, but
Speaker 3: I was so pumped for it, So that's why I
Speaker 3: was smiling so much, and yeah, I was just loving it.
Speaker 2: I think some sort of having a background of sporting
Speaker 2: attitude as well can really help with a game like this.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting because like with sport, the common goal
Speaker 3: is a Premiership, so we're all they're focused on that
Speaker 3: and we're all trying to make it all work together,
Speaker 3: Whereas I found Survivors so much like working for a
Speaker 3: corporation or like a project where your drivers are all different,
Speaker 3: like family, they need to raise money to buy a house.
Speaker 3: Some people are in debt and they need to do that,
Speaker 3: so all of their drivers create a different way of
Speaker 3: approaching the outcome.
Speaker 1: And that's similar to Survivor. So my game plan and what.
Speaker 3: I want the people that I want to work with
Speaker 3: might not work for real Scottie, So I need to
Speaker 3: figure out what does that look like and how do
Speaker 3: we all get on the same page so we stay.
Speaker 1: Tight in aligned.
Speaker 2: Well, I feel like this job, the resume for you
Speaker 2: could probably get you some really good work after this,
Speaker 2: because while some people can play Australian Survivor and then
Speaker 2: afterwards maybe someone might not employ them because they come
Speaker 2: across as a bit dodgy, or they come across like
Speaker 2: they did the wrong thing for you. I feel like
Speaker 2: people want to snap you up now and be like,
Speaker 2: she's the CEO of my business.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I.
Speaker 3: Hope so, because I'm half a million dollars short in
Speaker 3: my bank accounts.
Speaker 2: Know what they say Kirby, though, is that when something
Speaker 2: like that doesn't happen, it comes around it in another way.
Speaker 2: And so I think it's important to feel like that.
Speaker 2: And I genuinely feel like I'm going to have a
Speaker 2: conversation with you randomly in five years and you are
Speaker 2: going to have that half a million dollars in your
Speaker 2: bank account. I can feel it whole fingers crossed.
Speaker 3: I hope it du But no, that's not why I
Speaker 3: actually applied to play the game.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to challenge myself.
Speaker 3: I wanted I was a little bit platted in where
Speaker 3: I was at in my life and football and netball,
Speaker 3: you know, challenge me and push my limits and an
Speaker 3: ability to do something. But yeah, I got to the
Speaker 3: stage where I was like, I want to do something different,
Speaker 3: and I saw this on LinkedIn, so I applied and
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, this would be fun, Like as
Speaker 3: long as I don't get voted out first, I'm like
Speaker 3: I'm cool, Like I'm good.
Speaker 1: So as a.
Speaker 3: Competitor in me like sort of came to play. It
Speaker 3: was back into the game where I was like, I'm
Speaker 3: actually in a pretty good position here, like I could
Speaker 3: take this out. So yeah, it wasn't about money. It
Speaker 3: was there was a bigger sort of driver behind it all.
Speaker 2: You guys do a fair amount of chatting to those
Speaker 2: pieces to camera, and you know you're in some of
Speaker 2: for a long time, and you know, you do get
Speaker 2: taken away from the campsite to be able to have
Speaker 2: those conversations. Is there any way of being able to
Speaker 2: pick up or read into any clues that the producers
Speaker 2: might be saying to help you in the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the producers were amazing.
Speaker 3: They sort of brought out the characters in us, Like
Speaker 3: as an athlete, we're sort of trained to be humble
Speaker 3: and to speak, you know.
Speaker 1: The teams played great sort of keep it low key,
Speaker 1: but yeah.
Speaker 3: They brought out this person that I didn't even know
Speaker 3: that I had, like this cheek and well, actually I'm cheeky,
Speaker 3: but it looks like I come across arrogant and that's
Speaker 3: not who I am. But I also found it entertaining
Speaker 3: too I was like, oh Jesus, that was a bit forward,
Speaker 3: like hope my family doesn't get offended or whatever.
Speaker 2: And then you see the producers in the background running
Speaker 2: their hands together. Every time you say something it's a
Speaker 2: little bit outrageous and you can't help but want to,
Speaker 2: you know, impress your captor, so to speak. People don't
Speaker 2: realize that in reality television with the way that you
Speaker 2: might be because you get rewarded by the reactions of
Speaker 2: the people around you, and you realize that, you know what,
Speaker 2: if I say something savage, it looks like it's a
Speaker 2: good thing.
Speaker 3: Everyone's amazing at their jobs and they were very professional.
Speaker 3: So there was nothing from my game that I was
Speaker 3: so caught up on. You know, if people were talking,
Speaker 3: and if it was, it was sort of out of
Speaker 3: the norm, Like if I saw Caroline going to talk
Speaker 3: to you know, Valeria, I just thought that was so strange.
Speaker 1: So I was very aware of what was going on around.
Speaker 3: The camp, even when we weren't heightened or we weren't
Speaker 3: sort of pressed to go to tribal council. So Eden
Speaker 3: was a perfect example, Like Ree and I sat there
Speaker 3: and watched everyone just do their thing, and we noticed
Speaker 3: it first so it was.
Speaker 1: It was wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dan a great player, and people loved him because
Speaker 2: he's a fan. He's a super fan. But you know,
Speaker 2: he's almost and I saw him just over the weekend
Speaker 2: walking down the street. He's almost like a mime. You
Speaker 2: don't need any sound you can read him because he's
Speaker 2: so animated, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, he was good. He was. He was so
Speaker 1: great and obviously as.
Speaker 3: A superfan, he he knows a game inside and out,
Speaker 3: which is amazing. I knew nothing about it, so I
Speaker 3: also didn't know what I was getting myself into when
Speaker 3: it came to chats with Eden, so we didn't really
Speaker 3: talk much either.
Speaker 2: There seemed to be a really clear path in overthrowing Caroline.
Speaker 2: Why did Raymond and Ferris not write Caroline's name down?
Speaker 2: Because it was only ever so more clear in your
Speaker 2: final tribal Council that had Ferris and Raymond written down Caroline,
Speaker 2: she would have gone home.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was trying to convince them, don't you worry.
Speaker 3: I don't think that.
Speaker 1: And I said this as well at tribal Council.
Speaker 3: I don't think that anyone was comfortable standing next to me.
Speaker 3: And I know that sounds really arrogant, but I was
Speaker 3: confident in my game, and if somebody got there in
Speaker 3: the end and they were able to share the things
Speaker 3: that weren't so obvious and they won, like I'd applaud
Speaker 3: them because like amazing.
Speaker 1: I don't see all of that.
Speaker 3: And I didn't do a lot of behind the scenes
Speaker 3: worker either, so Caroline would have been an easier beat
Speaker 3: than it was for me. And Raymond didn't want me there.
Speaker 2: For a long time. Yeah, I guess so. And so,
Speaker 2: coming from my position of being a viewer from my
Speaker 2: couch at home, I wanted to offer you the thought
Speaker 2: that I think you played almost a perfect game. But
Speaker 2: in that tribal council you kind of talked a little
Speaker 2: bit about your resume and the game. May that have
Speaker 2: highlighted the fact to everybody that they had to write
Speaker 2: your name down because no one would have beat you
Speaker 2: if they took you to the final jury, Like, might
Speaker 2: it have been better to sit on your hands a
Speaker 2: little bit and not reveal that part of your resume?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I see, I see exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 3: I think I actually I know I said it to
Speaker 3: hit Ferris's ego, So I wanted him to sort of go, no,
Speaker 3: I'm not scared to stand next to you, and then
Speaker 3: that's exactly what he said. But then he contradicts it
Speaker 3: by playing the artle for himself, so that just sort
Speaker 3: of it was probably double edged sword really, so yeah,
Speaker 3: Freddi's ego and then he got scared and then I
Speaker 3: got gotten, which is funny.
Speaker 1: It was a smart move for him.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, it definitely was. I mean, if you
Speaker 2: and Faris had been in the final two, if there
Speaker 2: is a final two, we don't even know that at
Speaker 2: this point, but if you and Faris had been in
Speaker 2: the final two, do you think that you would have
Speaker 2: beaten him when it came to the decisions being made
Speaker 2: by the final jury.
Speaker 3: I think with the jury that was there before me entering,
Speaker 3: I think I would have had them because I had
Speaker 3: relationships with nearly all of them, and even though Alex
Speaker 3: not once, well we voted together, but it was because
Speaker 3: we had to with the Eden vote. Yeah, I think
Speaker 3: even he would have written my name down, so I
Speaker 3: was okay with it. But when Farris slipped across, I
Speaker 3: don't think he was okay with it. So yeah, that's
Speaker 3: that turned the corner.
Speaker 2: Well, the jury's kind of complete. Now is there some
Speaker 2: with more influence on how everyone will vote? You know,
Speaker 2: the question that I guess that I'm trying to ask
Speaker 2: here is do you think once you get to the
Speaker 2: jury that there's more powerful voices they're influencing everyone's overall decisions?
Speaker 2: Or do you think once it comes time to it,
Speaker 2: everyone will vote independently with their own thoughts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like and I'm somebody that needs to
Speaker 3: know more information to sort of get the whole perspective
Speaker 3: and the whole view on things like I know Ferris's
Speaker 3: game from playing at him and with him sort of,
Speaker 3: but Eileen knows his game inside and out because she
Speaker 3: was there the whole time on site. Then there's Val
Speaker 3: who has worked with Mark and so she knows that.
Speaker 3: So it'd be interesting to see what it looks like
Speaker 3: from their perspective and how you know these players have
Speaker 3: played the game. And on top of Caroline being on
Speaker 3: the Titans trial with Vollen Jayden, I don't know what
Speaker 3: that looks like either, So it's going to be really interesting.
Speaker 3: And obviously I know Ray, but Ray just sort of
Speaker 3: blocked me out. So Eileen's got the insight to that too.
Speaker 2: What's the biggest talking points at the jury villa when
Speaker 2: you got back there, because I guess the conversations when
Speaker 2: you're in the beach of Samora and playing the game
Speaker 2: would obviously be different to the type of relaxed nature
Speaker 2: of what you could talk about once you get back there,
Speaker 2: and I guess it becomes a free for all when
Speaker 2: it comes to honesty. What were the big conversation points
Speaker 2: that everyone was discussing now that all the cameras were.
Speaker 3: Off, Who made what move and how they made it
Speaker 3: and who they think made whatever move? So I, to
Speaker 3: be honest, I was so worried about food. That's that
Speaker 3: was my main focus.
Speaker 2: The food is going in and none of the voices
Speaker 2: was going in at that point, you know.
Speaker 1: And sound was being blocked out, and that's where I
Speaker 1: was at.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think it was just exciting to know
Speaker 3: each other on a personal level, not as a game player,
Speaker 3: because the way that I sort of approached the game,
Speaker 3: I was guarded in a sense, but I was also
Speaker 3: very aware of what I was saying, so it wasn't
Speaker 3: necessarily calculated, but it wasn't giving too much.
Speaker 1: But I just felt relaxed that I can just.
Speaker 2: Be me true you know, if you were to return
Speaker 2: to Survivor, and you know, if you read anything on
Speaker 2: any of any of the big fan sites right now,
Speaker 2: everyone's already talking about when you return. Apart from wanting
Speaker 2: to win and get the half a million dollars next time,
Speaker 2: do you have a score to settle? Is there who
Speaker 2: do you have the biggest score to settle with that
Speaker 2: you think they may return also so that you can
Speaker 2: re challenge.
Speaker 1: If people are looking in that sense.
Speaker 3: I'm assuming that it would be Faires obviously because he
Speaker 3: broke up with me, so I'd be gunning for him
Speaker 3: because obviously we've had an on and off relationship and
Speaker 3: nobody knows if it's love Island with us.
Speaker 1: So if it's like brother confused.
Speaker 2: Kirby, I asked people that. Throughout the season of interviewing people,
Speaker 2: I was asking people's their take on your relationship, and
Speaker 2: I kept saying to them, you know, it's not romantic,
Speaker 2: but is it brother and sister? Is it bff? Like
Speaker 2: I don't understand, but the chemistry between the two of
Speaker 2: you was electric television Yeah.
Speaker 3: And it was genuine too, Like that's us, that's how
Speaker 3: we get along. And I will still banter with him
Speaker 3: and be like, how dare you break up with me
Speaker 3: like that? And just you know, and his wife is
Speaker 3: beautiful and I love her like she's so amazing. I'll
Speaker 3: get along well with her too. But yeah, we've got this.
Speaker 3: It is a unique relationship. But he really is like
Speaker 3: a younger brother, and I think what really cements our
Speaker 3: relationship and the way that we are is our backgrounds.
Speaker 3: We've got a similar understanding for what it's like to
Speaker 3: walk in our shoes.
Speaker 1: That connection.
Speaker 3: You can't get much deeper than that, because yeah, it's
Speaker 3: a pretty close understanding.
Speaker 1: So it was so fun.
Speaker 3: But to settle a score, he would definitely be one
Speaker 3: that I would love to go up against again. In
Speaker 3: the same note, I would be watching the season's past
Speaker 3: and learning about the game and what people.
Speaker 1: Think they can expect from the game.
Speaker 3: I don't think i'd ever play or want to play
Speaker 3: like anyone else either, but only because I think and
Speaker 3: it's a bit like footy. If you play the way
Speaker 3: that everyone wants you to play, then it becomes boring
Speaker 3: and too predictable. And I like chaos. I operate well
Speaker 3: in chaos, and probably a big reason why I wasn't
Speaker 3: afraid of just jumping and moving and shifting.
Speaker 2: Did you feel emotional? I felt like, this is going
Speaker 2: to show you how invested I am an Australian survivor
Speaker 2: and maybe I need some therapy. But how emotional do
Speaker 2: you feel when he made that speech with his immunity idol,
Speaker 2: Because there was a moment where I actually I had
Speaker 2: tears coming in my eyes while he was talking about you.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you didn't seem like you were going
Speaker 2: to cry sitting there. Maybe you did and we didn't
Speaker 2: see that. But was it emotional in the moment to
Speaker 2: hear him offer you a declaration before technically breaking up
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 3: No, No, I watching back, I can see how emotional
Speaker 3: he was like in his ivs and just the.
Speaker 1: Way that, yeah, how hard he found it.
Speaker 3: And I can understand it because we were really close.
Speaker 3: But when he was telling that, saying that speech, I
Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, like I have no idea
Speaker 3: where this is going to go, and I was just
Speaker 3: and it was the first time in the entire game
Speaker 3: that I was at a tribal council.
Speaker 1: And I felt off like I felt like.
Speaker 3: This might not be going my way, So I was
Speaker 3: sort of expecting it. And then he didn't propost to me.
Speaker 3: He proposed to JLP and gave that title to him.
Speaker 2: So there was a lot of head shaking with the jury.
Speaker 2: They can't say anything that's sitting over there. We saw
Speaker 2: Kitty shaking her head. We saw Rihanna with some really
Speaker 2: hectic death stairs. What did you discuss with them? Did
Speaker 2: Kitty talk to you about why she was shaking her head?
Speaker 2: I mean, Rihanna's kind of academic. We know that those
Speaker 2: death stairs were warranted. She was your right or die
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. But why was Kitty shaking
Speaker 2: her head like that?
Speaker 1: I'm not too sure.
Speaker 3: Well, when I walked When I walked in, they're like,
Speaker 3: if you made it through writing your name down to
Speaker 3: we like, and it was unanimous, and I was like,
Speaker 3: all right, amazing. When as the food, So yeah, I
Speaker 3: can't I actually can't remember what our conversations were once
Speaker 3: I got back, that was all I remember at this stage.
Speaker 2: I guess we all have our favorites, our emotional ties
Speaker 2: to the individual castaways that are still left behind, you know,
Speaker 2: still vying for their chance to win. Do you think
Speaker 2: there will be a massive upset if one person in
Speaker 2: particular wins at this stage.
Speaker 3: It depends on what perspective. If you're looking from an
Speaker 3: audience perspective, I think anyone but Ferris because people think
Speaker 3: that he should for whatever their reason is. But you
Speaker 3: think from people who don't like Ferris, it should be
Speaker 3: Caroline because Caroline's played an amazing game.
Speaker 1: But I actually, I actually don't know.
Speaker 3: Like from my perspective, Raymond was a bigger wedge than Arlene.
Speaker 3: So if he won, then kudos because he's actually done
Speaker 3: his job, like he's done what.
Speaker 1: He needed to.
Speaker 3: And from my perspective, when it comes to Mark, I
Speaker 3: don't know what he's done, so that's different again, but who.
Speaker 2: Knows one thing I did work out with Raymond and Joe.
Speaker 2: It's really interesting now that there's no Kirby Ferris finale.
Speaker 2: For some reason, I've been you two have been my
Speaker 2: top two. But now that I don't get what I wanted,
Speaker 2: which was that a showdown from the gods of Survivor,
Speaker 2: feel like my brain has shifted to now me not
Speaker 2: wanting Ferris to win, to actually wanting Raymond to win.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like the dynamic is so weird. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I didn't get what I want, so I'm going to
Speaker 2: throw the toys out of the prem and I now
Speaker 2: want Raymond to win. What do you think about my
Speaker 2: decision or my personal opinion that Raymond should win.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we should start the game again and
Speaker 3: let's just try it.
Speaker 1: No, I that feeling.
Speaker 3: I get it as well, because like obviously I played
Speaker 3: the game, so I've seen the relationships and how it's
Speaker 3: sort of unfolded.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know from an audience perspective, fair.
Speaker 2: Enough, when Raymond said to you gorgeous by the way
Speaker 2: in that episode, I just this is something that I
Speaker 2: have in my bingo card from watching reality TV for
Speaker 2: a long time. When a contestant says gorgeous to you,
Speaker 2: it's always condescending. Like I actually think in the history
Speaker 2: of Australia, when anyone calls someone gorgeous, it's actually said
Speaker 2: in a condescending way. When you watch that conversation with
Speaker 2: him and the hammock and he calls you gorgeous, do
Speaker 2: you now realize that was the clue that he was
Speaker 2: definitely going to put your name down.
Speaker 3: When ray was telling me the truth, he will look
Speaker 3: me in the eyes and our conversations would be different.
Speaker 3: And the fact that he sort of washed it off
Speaker 3: without saying too much.
Speaker 1: There wasn't much of a smile, and he just sort
Speaker 1: of did his shrug. Look I knew.
Speaker 3: I was like, that doesn't sound very convincing, So I
Speaker 3: sort of knew it. And I love Raymond. I think
Speaker 3: he's such an amazing person, and I don't think that
Speaker 3: was condescending it all from his perspective, So I knew him,
Speaker 3: so I didn't see.
Speaker 2: I've been asking people up until this point, who do
Speaker 2: they think is going to win? But instead I want
Speaker 2: to ask something a little bit more implicated from you,
Speaker 2: and that is what is your order of deserving players
Speaker 2: in terms of resume? So we have the return, we
Speaker 2: have the final people still left there. We know we're
Speaker 2: going to lose one before the finale or maybe two,
Speaker 2: I don't know, But what's your order at this stage
Speaker 2: of in terms of resume deserves it. Don't worry they'll
Speaker 2: all listen to this and be very upset. I mean,
Speaker 2: just say what you feel.
Speaker 3: They're already mad at me anyways, So holding ever run
Speaker 3: the block my number. If I look at Caroline's game,
Speaker 3: she planned it with her mafia people to get Viola out.
Speaker 1: So that was a plan and well executed vote.
Speaker 3: So I think if you can if you can plan
Speaker 3: a move and then execute it, and you can people
Speaker 3: manage like I think that's a big deal because you've
Speaker 3: got personality differences, you've got games or players that want
Speaker 3: certain players in and out, which can also shift everything.
Speaker 3: You've got emotion that's in that everyone's cold and hungry
Speaker 3: and wet too, So for her to do that, like,
Speaker 3: that's that's pretty solid. Fris saved himself, him and Arlene
Speaker 3: and we're shifting and we get the rebels together and
Speaker 3: we vote Eden. So he saved himself once. And Is
Speaker 3: also saved himself with the beanbag challenge with Arlene. He
Speaker 3: couldn't have scripted that, like the three of us to win.
Speaker 3: That was insane and I was at that stage I
Speaker 3: was not this game is This game is just ruining
Speaker 3: my life right now because I've got this grand plan
Speaker 3: and they just want to go on throw bean bags
Speaker 3: at it. But he saved himself and they got Charles out.
Speaker 3: So other than that, I don't really know what Mark's
Speaker 3: done it and Raymond's done that the drama that.
Speaker 1: He did and I helped with that.
Speaker 3: But that can't happen without the majority of those people
Speaker 3: knowing either.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting about that with the fans. The fans
Speaker 2: were really curious about why people were as skeptical for
Speaker 2: you getting that immunity necklace and placing it on re.
Speaker 2: People were really like, oh, no, that's a sign that
Speaker 2: you know, the Kirby and Ferris were involved with Raymond's game,
Speaker 2: you know, and it kind of got put under the radar.
Speaker 2: Did you think that? Did you think you kind of
Speaker 2: got away with people not speculating that you were involved
Speaker 2: with Raymond's advantage twist.
Speaker 3: With an advantage twist like that, And it's so hard
Speaker 3: to get everyone to land unless it was me. It's like,
Speaker 3: I don't feel like anyone else other than when I
Speaker 3: say me, because I was more of a target. Unless
Speaker 3: it was Raymond to be able to pull that off,
Speaker 3: you can't and everyone, you know, he put on the heartstrings.
Speaker 3: But I made sure that my relationships were still kept,
Speaker 3: so telling Caroline and Kitty and Ree that this is
Speaker 3: what's happening. It's not your name, so don't worry, it's
Speaker 3: still you know, it's going to be vow.
Speaker 1: That sort of settled everything.
Speaker 3: But Ree was so worried about Raymond just writing her
Speaker 3: name down.
Speaker 1: He scared me too because he was wanting her for a.
Speaker 2: While in the Game of Australian Survivor. I've been asking
Speaker 2: people to finish this sentence like something that you yourself
Speaker 2: learned and maybe a clue for people who might listen
Speaker 2: to this podcast who then might apply to be on
Speaker 2: the show.
Speaker 3: In a Game of Australian Survivor, I think you'll always
Speaker 3: you always need to back yourself, go into the game
Speaker 3: knowing what you know, and just read the game. No
Speaker 3: other I guess season would have been played the same
Speaker 3: as a last So trust that, back that and create
Speaker 3: have you.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, although I could go back in
Speaker 2: time and just that conversation that Mark managed to finally
Speaker 2: have with Ferris, where he tried to secure his spot
Speaker 2: for the final, that to me was, Yeah, it was
Speaker 2: hard and I didn't even know how to unpack that
Speaker 2: question with you today. I've sort of bypassed it. But
Speaker 2: was that hard for you to watch that conversation go
Speaker 2: down with Mark, considering you probably don't believe his resume
Speaker 2: was really that strong.
Speaker 3: It was smart on Ferris's part to go to both
Speaker 3: Caroline and Mark and just say am I in your
Speaker 3: top three?
Speaker 1: What does that look like?
Speaker 3: So he was cementing himself just in case it went
Speaker 3: pear sha, just in case he saved me. And then
Speaker 3: one of those one in net place and it wasn't me.
Speaker 3: So it was clever on his end.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was good. He was good with that. The
Speaker 2: last question I want to ask you is something to
Speaker 2: ask everyone who joins the podcast from all shows, and
Speaker 2: that is what is something from behind the scenes, something
Speaker 2: we didn't get a chance to see that you can
Speaker 2: share with us, kind of a behind the scenes of
Speaker 2: Australian survivor from your story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, early on when it rained, we had no shelter.
Speaker 3: Everyone was soaking wet. I think it was the first
Speaker 3: three or four days. I stayed up and sometimes it
Speaker 3: might have been Eilene or Ree or Kelly, and we
Speaker 3: kept that fire lit because I hate being cold. But
Speaker 3: I put rocks on the fire and just gave it
Speaker 3: to everyone like a hot water bottle. So you're about
Speaker 3: to sleep with a hot rock, and it just it
Speaker 3: just made it easier to accept that we were out.
Speaker 1: In this island not eating.
Speaker 3: So yeah, being able to give people hot rocks even
Speaker 3: when I wasn't working with them or talking to them.
Speaker 2: So that's amazing, very clever, but that's a good one
Speaker 2: for people who are going to go and do the
Speaker 2: show now and take it on. Kirby, I just want
Speaker 2: to say I thought you were so fantastic on the show.
Speaker 2: I think that you, in lots of ways were the
Speaker 2: season we have so much to be proud of. I
Speaker 2: think you've given the fan something really juicy, and thank
Speaker 2: you so much for taking the time to unpack your
Speaker 2: time and the strain and survivor.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. I loved it,
Speaker 1: absolutely loved it.