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Speaker 1: It's time for the week that was, and in the

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Speaker 1: studio with us today for labor. We've got Chancey pay

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Speaker 1: Good morning Chancey.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie and shout out to everyone tuned in.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you on the show. We have got

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Speaker 1: from the colp the Treasurer, Bill Yan, Good morning to you, Bill.

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Speaker 3: End.

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Speaker 1: And we've got Gary Shipway, the head of news at

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Speaker 1: the NT News. Lovely to have you in the studio.

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Speaker 2: Iren Cati.

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Speaker 3: I just want to give a shout out to the

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Speaker 3: Darlin Salties wheelchair team.

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Speaker 4: Yah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, time national champions.

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Speaker 1: Wonderful, wonderful effort. Good on them, big shout out to them. Now, look,

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Speaker 1: there is so much up for discussion this morning, but

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Speaker 1: we might kick off with the fact that the government

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Speaker 1: is set to restructure its integrity officers, including the Independent

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Speaker 1: Commissioner against Corruption the IKAK, after a report was released

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Speaker 1: yesterday and Will found that under resource staff was struggling

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Speaker 1: under the weight of pervasive pressure and well the Territorians

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Speaker 1: have essentially lost confidence in the effectiveness of the IKAK.

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Speaker 1: Now the government released this review into the structural models

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Speaker 1: for statutory integrity Officers. So it wasn't just the i

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Speaker 1: Now it's dubbed the McClintock Haighley highly I should say

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Speaker 1: Review and found that there's been damaged to the public

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Speaker 1: standing must be re established. So essentially, what we're now

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Speaker 1: looking at is a restructure that's sort of going to

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Speaker 1: mean that all of these bodies are potentially going to

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Speaker 1: some degree with different commissioners. An interesting move, but bill

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Speaker 1: sounds like it's going to happen as a result of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so high McClintock came in and done a really

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Speaker 4: And what the report came out with is that we

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Speaker 4: need to look at how everything operates. So now we'll

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Speaker 4: have an Integrity Commissioner who sits across those three officers.

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Speaker 4: That will be a CEO that sits under them, and

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Speaker 5: So they'll sit under there.

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Speaker 4: So the way the structure work will certainly help with

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Speaker 4: the Integrity Commissioner. So we certainly think it'll provide some

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Speaker 4: more efficiencies. I believe for those agencies there'll be some

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Speaker 5: Which they didn't have before. Being a treasure.

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Speaker 4: I'd love to see some savings in this, but I

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Speaker 1: My instant thought is who's going to step into a

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Speaker 3: I think that's going to be the challenge. I mean,

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Speaker 4: To change in the structure. Gary allows us to bring

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Speaker 6: Look, it's Friday, and I'm not going to pick on

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Speaker 1: Hopefully going to be a good thing. Tell me how

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Speaker 1: soon do you think it's going to get up and running, Bill.

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Speaker 5: Dude diligence still has to be done.

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Speaker 1: So is it going to cost more money than what

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Speaker 4: We'll have to wait and see where the structure sits cadence.

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Speaker 4: Then look at the positions in those other agencies too,

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Speaker 5: So we may have to employ somebody else, we may not.

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Speaker 6: Now We're keen to keep an eye on it as well,

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Speaker 6: But I think, as Gary said before, it might actually

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Speaker 3: I think, you know, if you've got investigating offices across

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Speaker 3: people were working across multiple the case the cases, it

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Speaker 3: be in OK? They're a task to be investigating officers.

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Speaker 3: So I would wouldn't be a model that I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: Now, look, it wasn't the only interesting thing that happened

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Speaker 1: you're getting rid of the shade structure, will at least

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Speaker 1: the plants on the shade structure, you know, basically saying

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Speaker 1: it was a labor misappened, that they ignored expert advice

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Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing, Katie, even if I found some

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Speaker 4: that we just can't afford to do anymore, Katie.

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Speaker 1: So what's it going to look like? What are we

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Speaker 4: The structure of the structure will remain, Kadi.

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Speaker 5: The structure is.

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Speaker 4: There's nothing wrong with the structure itself.

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Speaker 5: It's for wine.

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Speaker 4: People said, whine, you put some shade cloth over. If

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Speaker 4: I put shake cloth up, I've gotta pull it down

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Speaker 4: every wet season side clothes. I can't put anything hard

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Speaker 1: The lights they're going to turn into a light show.

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Speaker 4: Well, I've said my pop down to Buttings and get

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Speaker 2: I see you up there doing that.

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Speaker 1: I'll get up there seriousness though, because it is a

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Speaker 1: But I've got to say I've been one of those

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Speaker 4: So Keys is right, So look, we'll get rid of

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Speaker 5: It'll be quite striking at the end of the day.

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Speaker 4: And we'll leave the structure there and we'll reduce our

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Speaker 1: And I hope so it looks all right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a big disappointment. Yeah, I mean, it looked

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Speaker 3: one of the biggest disappointments, almost like the playground down

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Speaker 1: At Miley Point, which it's not very big.

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Speaker 3: Did anyone uses because it's too hot?

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Speaker 1: Well, And look, I was one of the first people

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Speaker 6: Look, I think I'm with Keysier on this one. I

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Speaker 2: Look, I think, first of all, as Bill has spoken.

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Speaker 6: About, it is quite a beautiful structure. It's actually good

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Speaker 6: It's a canvas of trees. Yes, the vines never got

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Speaker 4: But but you know they'ven popped out of bunches, and you.

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Speaker 2: Know it's a you know, like I think that's important thing.

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Speaker 5: It was part of a trial.

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Speaker 6: Yes, the vines weren't the right vines. We found out

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Speaker 6: would have liked to have seen the right vines planted.

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Speaker 6: If you do look at Caulum Bay, that's what it

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Speaker 6: But hopefully we can see it continue and some stuff happening.

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Speaker 3: There's no doubt it does look it has in half

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: The work that Smith Street works caused a bit of anks,

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Speaker 3: I think it's going to be right.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure about those massive rocks though on slots right,

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Speaker 2: They're big.

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Speaker 5: There's an upside of rock shading. Had a lot of.

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Speaker 1: Maintenance, no plants on those. All right, we're going to

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Speaker 1: If you've just joined us, We've got Gary Shipway, We've

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Speaker 1: got Chancey Pagan, We've got Bill Yan in the studio

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Speaker 1: this morning. Now, unfortunately, some terrible news out of Alice Springs.

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Speaker 1: Like yesterday a seventy seven year old woman well, she's

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Speaker 1: fled with her stolen jewelry, but good on her. The

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Speaker 1: seventy seven year old said, bugger you, you're not taking

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Speaker 4: Absolutely okay. It's really tragic that this is happening. It's

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Speaker 4: become all too common, and that's one of the things

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Speaker 4: we made all these changes to different laws, whether it

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Speaker 4: number of others to deal with these offenders. And it's

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Speaker 4: sad that this has happened. Like, kudos to that seventy

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Speaker 4: seven year old woman for getting out there and getting

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Speaker 4: a stuff back. But I suppose this leads into that

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Speaker 4: bigger discussion we're going to have about back the spray.

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Speaker 4: It's a tool that somebody can use to protect themselves

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Speaker 4: So we've got to stop this stuff from happening, whether

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Speaker 4: it's al Springs, Darwin, Catherine so it's just it's been

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Speaker 3: I think from my point of view, and I'm not

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Speaker 3: Blow's position, the thing that's alarming is the age of

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Speaker 3: think that's why people and it'd be hard for you, Chancy.

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Speaker 3: That's why I think it's hard for you place to

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Speaker 3: it's a really difficult a situation. It's not just Alice,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well Dale and we spoke about it a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks ago where Sushira from Kota was targeted as

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Speaker 1: it does sort of make you think, all right, well,

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Speaker 1: we've got the OC spray roll out, you never know

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Speaker 1: how or if you're actually going to know what to

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Speaker 6: Like that, I think, Katie, you know, you know, we

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Speaker 6: territory does breed. Our scene is pretty tough, but you know,

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Speaker 6: we shouldn't have to. And I think that the issue

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Speaker 2: My concern though.

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Speaker 6: Is like with the pepper spray, this is a strong

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Speaker 1: So five hundred and fifty OC spray OC sales OC

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Speaker 1: spray sales is what I'm trying to say this week,

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Speaker 1: since Territorians were able to purchase it on Monday. Now

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Speaker 1: spray bar is forty seven. Now, Chancey, you got us

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Speaker 2: What about you, mate?

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Speaker 1: Are you prepared to give it a go?

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Speaker 6: Hey, if everyone of the CLP is, I will. I

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Speaker 6: mean Bill's probably already been sprayed being incorrection, but.

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Speaker 5: I've got sprayed a eap of time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, like asked me, I'd.

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Speaker 4: Rather get sprayed with pepper spray than have a criminal

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Speaker 5: And I think that's the way I look at it.

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Speaker 4: So everyone's saying, Okay, the criminals will take it off

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Speaker 1: Well, particularly if you're talking about knives or crossbows and

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Speaker 3: And it's interesting, you know, like Harry Bryl, who did

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Speaker 2: I guess I worry.

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Speaker 6: I've seen at home, elderly people getting out of their

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Speaker 6: you know, I acknowledge that there's more work that needs

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Speaker 6: I mean, the Chief Minister said it is a trial,

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: I've got some updated numbers. Six hundred and twenty five

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Speaker 1: people have now purchased more than one thousand O C

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Speaker 1: spray canisters. They're the stats for today.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

441
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Speaker 4: I popped in and caught up with Ronald's Fishing out

442
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Speaker 4: or World during the week, just to see how things

443
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,800
Speaker 4: were going. Of course, they'd sold out in a day

444
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Speaker 4: or two. While I was there, I think he took

445
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Speaker 4: five home calls about the stuff. But the thing is

446
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,680
Speaker 4: in those stories because he told me some of those

447
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,440
Speaker 4: stories as well, and he said, well, it's there's been

448
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Speaker 4: a mix male and female. But he said the story

449
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 4: is coming from the females has been that they want

450
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Speaker 4: just that extra level of protection, particularly even in the CB.

451
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Speaker 5: Do you hear walking to.

452
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Speaker 4: And from the cars from work because they feel unsafe.

453
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Speaker 4: Now it's a bit different from me. I said, I'm

454
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Speaker 4: one hundred and five kla bloke. I've been around a

455
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Speaker 4: little bit. I'm not particularly concerned.

456
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Speaker 5: But if you're a young woman small walking to and

457
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Speaker 5: from your vehicle or.

458
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Speaker 4: Going going for your walks in the morning, that just

459
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 4: that extra level of security, knowing that it's a tool

460
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Speaker 4: that you can use to get yourself out of trouble.

461
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Speaker 4: I can tell you now, Codie me all my using corrections,

462
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Speaker 4: it was not that many times that it was used.

463
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Speaker 4: People pull it out a lot, and a minute it

464
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Speaker 4: comes out. I think people know what it actually does

465
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Speaker 4: and it immediately.

466
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Speaker 5: De escalates a situation. So I think we'll see that.

467
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Speaker 6: I think we also just to be clear on what

468
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Speaker 6: the purpose is. Like we've heard people saying that they've

469
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Speaker 6: actually brought it not for that purpose, but to go

470
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Speaker 6: walking for dogget so that they can spray it on

471
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Speaker 6: a dog if they feel like well, so, I think,

472
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Speaker 6: just to be clear, yeah, there have been a number

473
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Speaker 6: of sales, but I don't think we will entirely know

474
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Speaker 6: what they will do.

475
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Speaker 1: To me, Like as a as a small woman who's

476
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Speaker 1: had a stalker, who's being followed, who's had very uncomfortable situations,

477
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Speaker 1: went out for a run without exercising, who's who also

478
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Speaker 1: felt incredibly frightened different times when people have approached me

479
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Speaker 1: while out for a run. And I'm pretty good at

480
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Speaker 1: being able to talk myself out of a situation, There's

481
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Speaker 1: no doubt about that. But I you know, I haven't

482
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Speaker 1: raced out to buy a canister. I probably will. I

483
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Speaker 1: probably will have one. I do not intend to use

484
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Speaker 1: it unless I am confronted with a really dangerous situation

485
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Speaker 1: that I feel that I cannot talk my way out of,

486
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Speaker 1: you know, and that's for me, I think it is.

487
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Speaker 1: It's it's a backup that I do not want to

488
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Speaker 1: have to use. I'll make that really clear. But you know,

489
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Speaker 1: but I am somebody who's been in dangerous situations where

490
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Speaker 1: I felt bloody scared.

491
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Speaker 6: I think that's the point with this is now it's

492
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Speaker 6: past the government have done it. It's got to be reviewed.

493
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Speaker 6: We've got to ask the questions. I think we've seen

494
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Speaker 6: some concerns from people in the domestic and family violence

495
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 6: space where there could be misidentification, where perpetrator uses it

496
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Speaker 6: on a victim in a DV altercation. So look, I

497
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Speaker 6: think right now it's done. We've got a process to follow,

498
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Speaker 6: got reviews, We've got people to kind of talk to,

499
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Speaker 6: and then we can make a decision whether it is

500
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Speaker 6: an effective tool or not.

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Speaker 3: That's the approach people will respect.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, just an update so on that situation in

503
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Speaker 1: Alice Springs. So it was about six fifteen yesterday. The

504
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Speaker 1: police have now issued a statement and they say that

505
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Speaker 1: two female youths aged eleven and fourteen were located nearby

506
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Speaker 1: and arrested. The eleven year old dent dealt with under

507
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Speaker 1: the provisions of Youth Justice Act. A fourteen year old

508
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Speaker 1: charged with aggravated burglary, aggravated robbery and damage to property

509
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Speaker 1: due to appear in court today. I mean it's a

510
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Speaker 1: worrying situation eleven and fourteen. You know, the thing that

511
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Speaker 1: I find concerning as well is that lack of respect

512
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Speaker 1: for our senior territorians and those that are more vulnerable.

513
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Speaker 1: And you know, I do it worries me, and you know,

514
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Speaker 1: like I guess, it worries me more. I've got kids

515
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Speaker 1: that age, and I know I do not forget my privilege.

516
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Speaker 1: And I know that my children are very lucky to

517
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Speaker 1: grow up in a home where you know where, I

518
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Speaker 1: know where they are, and and I'm raising them to

519
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Speaker 1: respect those that are senior, particularly you know, if I'm

520
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Speaker 1: at the shopping center, I'm encouraging my son to open

521
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Speaker 1: the door for seniors and to do the right thing.

522
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Speaker 1: And I know that not everybody grows up in that

523
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Speaker 1: kind of environment, but I just I think it's so

524
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Speaker 1: important that our senior territorians are safe.

525
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Speaker 4: Well, we've seen an escalation, sadly cut over a number

526
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Speaker 4: of years now where we have young people specifically targeting seniors.

527
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Speaker 5: We see it in our supermarks.

528
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Speaker 4: I know we've see Alison the same thing up here

529
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Speaker 4: and in other places where they will specifically target elder

530
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Speaker 4: people because they see them as easy targets and that's

531
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Speaker 4: absolutely disgusting and shameful that that actually happens. So I said,

532
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Speaker 4: we need to deal with those people that commit those offenses,

533
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Speaker 4: and I said support our seniors at the end of

534
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Speaker 4: the day as well.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Look, I think what we do need to do

536
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Speaker 6: is all work together around how do we empower people

537
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Speaker 6: in our community to feel safe? How do we empower

538
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Speaker 6: people to be respected? And I think that's work that

539
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Speaker 6: we can all do together. I think one of.

540
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Speaker 2: The issues that we do see is elder abuse.

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Speaker 6: In its many forms, and a lot of it is

542
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Speaker 6: largely driven as well through a lens of people living

543
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Speaker 6: in abject poverty.

544
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Speaker 2: When you look at a scene your what do you see.

545
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Speaker 6: You see someone who is getting the age care pension

546
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Speaker 6: who you can target. We've seen it, We've heard the

547
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Speaker 6: stories of it in our towns, in our cities. So

548
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Speaker 6: what can we all do as a collective to better

549
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 6: support that process and you know, getting people the support

550
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Speaker 6: that they need, but also making people feel safe enough

551
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Speaker 6: that they can go out and that they can go

552
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Speaker 6: to their groups and so forth and feel comfortable.

553
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Speaker 1: Hey, one of the other bits of legislation, I'm not

554
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Speaker 1: one hundred percent sure whether it passed or whether it

555
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Speaker 1: was just introduced this week, but the PPSO legislation, so

556
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Speaker 1: the bill adding a police public safety officer to sections

557
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Speaker 1: nineteen and one six four of the Police Administration Act,

558
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Speaker 1: so will now read a member of the police force

559
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Speaker 1: or a special constable or an Aboriginal community police officer

560
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Speaker 1: or a police auxiliary or a public safety officer. Has

561
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Speaker 1: it just been introduced or did it pass as well?

562
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Speaker 4: Built No, that was introduced and passed Yestercadi. So this

563
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Speaker 4: was a specifically administrative function. So you have to create

564
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Speaker 4: the position to be able to then go out and

565
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Speaker 4: do the consultation on what then is in that job description.

566
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Speaker 4: So it was it was an interesting thing because normally,

567
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Speaker 4: normally you do the consultation on the other side and

568
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Speaker 4: then do the next bit. But the way that the

569
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Speaker 4: Police Administration Act is written and the work that has

570
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Speaker 4: to be done, you actually have to create the position

571
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Speaker 4: to then start doing the work around what the position

572
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Speaker 4: description is.

573
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Speaker 5: And we made that commitment that we need.

574
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Speaker 4: These ppsos on the ground early next year. So if

575
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Speaker 4: we had to delay introducing this legislation and creating the position,

576
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Speaker 4: this administrative part of it, then it would have delayed

577
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Speaker 4: that consultation and then of course delayed the training courses

578
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Speaker 4: and we would have pushed back by months getting those

579
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Speaker 4: PPSAs on the ground. So this is like an administrative

580
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Speaker 4: function to create the position. It's not what the position

581
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Speaker 4: is and what it does yet that is the next

582
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Speaker 4: piece of work.

583
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Speaker 1: I know I mentioned this yesterday, but if we got

584
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Speaker 1: anyone that's actually wanting to become one, I mean that's

585
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Speaker 1: sort of what we're hearing that those public housing safety

586
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Speaker 1: offices and also the transport safety officers aren't that keen

587
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Speaker 1: to transition across.

588
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Speaker 4: Well, I know that within because I can only speak

589
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Speaker 4: for DLAW. I know that the number of the transit

590
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Speaker 4: safety officers are keen to move across. But the sticking

591
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Speaker 4: point has been they didn't know what the paying conditions

592
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Speaker 4: were going to be, right because we have to create

593
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Speaker 4: the position, which was done yesterday. So once you create

594
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Speaker 4: the position, then you can start working up what the

595
00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 4: paying conditions and roles within that job will be. So

596
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Speaker 4: this will go. This is that next step for them,

597
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Speaker 4: particularly for my team within DLI, to look at what

598
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Speaker 4: their job is and is it right for me?

599
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Speaker 5: Is it not right for me?

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Speaker 4: But I know there's a number of people who are

601
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Speaker 4: pretty kind of moving over and look, it's good career

602
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 4: options for them as well in career progression.

603
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Speaker 2: Okatie, I'm going to call bullshitting.

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Speaker 6: Because the government introduced this on the eighteenth of June

605
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Speaker 6: this year. We all knew it was out there, they

606
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Speaker 6: knew that they wanted to do. We started parliament off

607
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Speaker 6: this Tuesday, no mention of this, no mention of it

608
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Speaker 6: all up until Wednesday till six thirty when they offered.

609
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Speaker 6: The Opposition are briefing Independence are getting briefed at nine

610
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Speaker 6: point thirty at night about this.

611
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Speaker 2: So if the government were actually planning and had.

612
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Speaker 6: An agenda where they knew what they were doing, they

613
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Speaker 6: would have given us notice earlier. We would have known

614
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Speaker 6: about it at the start of the week. We would

615
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Speaker 6: have had time to talk to people about it because

616
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Speaker 6: people are rightly unsure.

617
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Speaker 2: Now this is.

618
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Speaker 1: Finally just rushing it through. Lond I didn't have anything

619
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Speaker 1: else to run.

620
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Speaker 6: This is absolutely being rushed through because the Chief Minister

621
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Speaker 6: ran back to the fifth floor yelling and score me

622
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Speaker 6: saying I need something to bring in.

623
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Speaker 2: So we've got a bill to pass.

624
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Speaker 6: Because the Attorney General failed, she failed to deliver her

625
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Speaker 6: anti discrimination bill and she's saying she needs to go

626
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 6: out and consult with the government. Did believe in their

627
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Speaker 6: own legisative scrutiny committee they would have sent the anti

628
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 6: discrimination bill there, could have had consultation, could have been

629
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Speaker 6: passed this city.

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Speaker 1: Still, Is that what happens?

631
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Speaker 5: No, certainly not, Katie. It's great.

632
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Speaker 2: I think that's not your behalf, Katie.

633
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Speaker 6: When I went over and asked members of Cabinet when

634
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Speaker 6: it was coming on and was it being done on urgency,

635
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Speaker 6: they were saying, look, the Chief Minister hasn't made up

636
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 6: her mind yet. So right up until Wednesday night they

637
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 6: were still talking about whether they do it on urgency.

638
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Speaker 3: Did you believe in when they said that?

639
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Speaker 2: No, of course, not exactly what I would saying.

640
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Speaker 3: You know, like I mean, it's not unusual for governments

641
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Speaker 3: with a strong majority. Just so you said that mister

642
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 3: ram stuff through to push their agenda through. So clearly

643
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 3: this is what's happened here. This is part of their

644
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 3: law and order agenda.

645
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, but for a government that claims to be open,

646
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 6: transparent and accountable, why not everyone and why not make

647
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 6: a big song and dance of it at the start

648
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Speaker 6: of the week. You want to be a tough on

649
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 6: crime government. This is one thing that you've heralded as

650
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 6: a signature policy, yet you're silent about it until Wednesday night.

651
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 6: To pass on Thursday morning sounds dodgy to me.

652
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Speaker 4: This is this is not actual the actual policy that's

653
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Speaker 4: still to be debated.

654
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Speaker 2: What all it is?

655
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Speaker 5: I said, as I said.

656
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Speaker 4: This is an administrative function that came up that all

657
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Speaker 4: of sudden we had to deal with because it became

658
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Speaker 4: an issue and would have delayed bringing those ppsos online.

659
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Speaker 6: So Junment didn't even know up until Wednesday that this

660
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Speaker 6: had to be a legislative instrument.

661
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,959
Speaker 4: No, we found out it had to be a legislative instruments.

662
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Speaker 4: That's why that's why we bought on an urgency.

663
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: When did you find out?

664
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Speaker 5: I can't remember exactly which day.

665
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 2: That sounds dodgy to me. You must have known absolutely not.

666
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 4: So to sit there and speculate on what the government

667
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 4: does and government does, and if.

668
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 6: It's in a speculation your own cabinet colleagues said, if

669
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 6: you don't know, if it's he's not sitting up there

670
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 6: on the fifth floor, which you got on the moment,

671
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 6: I will such very hard for you to speak.

672
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: You in my ten years standing behind this microphone. I've

673
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: definitely heard a few governments or a few chief ministers

674
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: say we're open and transparent and we're going to do this,

675
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: and we're going to do that, and then it doesn't

676
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily flow the way that you expect it to.

677
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: But look, we are going to take a really quick

678
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: break because I want to talk about the rock throwing

679
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: in Catherine. Further rock throwing in Catherine apparently overnight, So

680
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: more on that in just a moment's time. You are

681
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: listening to the week that was in the studio this morning.

682
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: We have got Gary Shipway from the NT News. For

683
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: the COLP, we've got Bill Yan and for labor we've

684
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: got Chancey Paik. Now, unfortunately, Road Trains of Australia's manager,

685
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: Nick Verica has called in just a moment ago to

686
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: say that there were more trucks ropped in Catherine last night.

687
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: Two more trucks hit at ten thirty pm in the

688
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: main street opposite Woolworths. He called the police to report it.

689
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: Still waiting on a follow up. He's wondering if Bill

690
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: wants to jump in and come for a drive with him. Bill,

691
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: what do you reckon?

692
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 4: Was happy to go have for riding truck Katie being

693
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 4: a truck mechanic.

694
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet, But what I mean like dead see it.

695
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: I know that these things flear up from time to time,

696
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: but this is so incredibly dangerous first off, and then

697
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: the on flow in so many different ways, Like it's

698
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: you know, it's a terrible situation to have our truck.

699
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: He's trying to transport our goods. I mean he's got

700
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: live stock, trying to transport our goods and having to

701
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: deal with this garbage.

702
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 3: But behave you can you imagine a blog transporting two

703
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 3: trailers of livestock trying to stop. He's just been hitting

704
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 3: the head by a rock. What danger does that present

705
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 3: to everyone else on the road, not only just to him,

706
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 3: but to everyone that's coming the other way. It's ridiculous, stupid.

707
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, Katie, this is like the trucking industry is so

708
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,959
Speaker 6: important to the Northern Territory and goods and services are

709
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 6: up and down that Stewart Highway, the VIC Highway, the

710
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 6: Tanamite every single day. And you know, my dad used

711
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 6: to be a truck driver. We know how important this

712
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 6: industry is. We know how terrifying it can be for

713
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 6: a truckee when they have a rock flying through their

714
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 6: window or their windscreen. So I think there are some

715
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 6: things I reckon we should be looking at. One is

716
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 6: that crime prevention by design with those councils. Are they

717
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 6: using the right landscaping equipment. Don't put big boulders in

718
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 6: and out of towns within CBDs? And I think Bill

719
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,959
Speaker 6: in Santa Terresa, they had kids throwing rocks there. They

720
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 6: got victims of crime or one of those organizations out.

721
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 6: They did a bit of a video and storytelling thing

722
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 6: with the kids about throwing rocks and the consequences that

723
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 6: has on doing it, and they've seen a reduction there.

724
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 6: So I think there are a few good things that

725
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 6: we certainly can do.

726
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 4: We spoke about this yesterday, okay, and this is so

727
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 4: dangerous and these kids don't know the consequences of what

728
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 4: they're doing. They think it's fun throwing rocks of trucks

729
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 4: and rocks of people. We know the guy in l

730
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 4: Springs who lost an eye because of this, driving up

731
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 4: to an intersection and his life is now changed forever

732
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 4: by some idiot throwing a rock. But as Gary said,

733
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 4: the consequences for this are so far reaching. Throwing rocks

734
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 4: at trucks because you disable a road train driver with

735
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 4: sixty tons of equipment. If you lose control what happens next?

736
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 4: Who else then is in danger? And I know the

737
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 4: police have been doing some work down there in Catherine.

738
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 4: I know children and families and with the Circuit Breaker

739
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 4: program have been doing some work and we spoke again

740
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 4: about that yesterday to try and identify who these kids

741
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 4: are and deal with them, because this sort of stuff

742
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 4: can't continue. Someone is going to get hurt again, someone

743
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 4: could even possibly be killed, and it could be an

744
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 4: absolute innocent bystander that is then going to end up

745
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 4: into your kill. Because of this, it has to stop.

746
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 4: Katie and these kids and these people need to be

747
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 4: made aware of what their actions can do.

748
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: Well.

749
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 6: Also, I mean absolutely needs to be work with the

750
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 6: kids so they understand the consequences because let's not forget

751
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 6: the territory imputs a lot of our tucker. So if

752
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 6: these road trains are getting off the road, then that's

753
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 6: limiting goods and services coming into the territory and it's

754
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 6: limiting our markets and our exports getting out. So, you know,

755
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 6: doing that work, I think two main parts I'd encourage

756
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 6: the government to do, which Bill's spoken about is education

757
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 6: campaigns and understanding the consequences of rock throwing and then working.

758
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 6: We've got all these new councils. We should find out

759
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 6: today who the councils are. Hopefully fingers crossed, but you know,

760
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 6: new councils, crime prevention by design. What are things that

761
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 6: we can do that will absolutely deter people from doing it?

762
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 6: Make sure that there aren't big rocks as you enter

763
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 6: in and out of towns and CBDs.

764
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: In the meantime, I mean, are we going to wind

765
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: up in a situation here with they've got to have

766
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: security escorts or somebody getting them in and out of town.

767
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 3: Well, you'll end up having trucks looking at the Mad

768
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 3: Max movie, the metal on the side, you know, grills

769
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 3: on the front, or.

770
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 6: They'll just go back to you chucking everything on the

771
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 6: game and that creates delays and you know you can't

772
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 6: you cannot risk The trucking industry is too important to

773
00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 6: the territory.

774
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: It absolutely is. Now just on the local government elections,

775
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: hopefully today we are going to find out who our

776
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: new mayors, who our counselors are. Right across the northern Territory.

777
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: I feel like it's been quite the side show it

778
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: has this time round. I mean some of the garbage

779
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: that's been floated around the place, a little.

780
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 3: Bit more responsible, very peaceful, and Alice were here.

781
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 2: It's been absolute.

782
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 6: Well look, I think what has been clear is and

783
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 6: I know we're on a top end radio station, but

784
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 6: the center has really shone these elections. We haven't had

785
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 6: issues around people how to vote and canvassing how to vote.

786
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 6: It's been very civilized in our part of the world world.

787
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 6: But you know, look, there have been allegations about fraudulent behavior.

788
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 6: That's with the authority, so I believe it's with police

789
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 6: and the Electoral Commission around people, you know, conducting electoral

790
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 6: fraud potentially, So we need to wait and see what

791
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 6: that looks like. And also I think today this afternoon

792
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 6: we actually find out who our elected members are.

793
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, where those preferences flow. I mean, we've seen some

794
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: really interesting times, I guess over the last couple of

795
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: elections like this time round, of course with the local

796
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: government elections with those preferences, but even at the last

797
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 1: Northern Territory government election, you know where in some cases

798
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: you've got somebody who's in third place essentially then leapfrogging

799
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: into first as a result of these preferences.

800
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 2: It's going to be like that.

801
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 4: It is I Alic Springs and Darwin, how they said

802
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 4: postals will be done today, then I'll look at preferences.

803
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 4: I think both are still going to be very very close.

804
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 4: Betwere Alis and Darwin, and if they're within I think

805
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 4: it's one hundred votes after preferences. And then I said

806
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 4: candidates can ask for a recount. All the Electricmission may

807
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 4: do a recount. So look, I'd love to see results today.

808
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 4: Funnily enough, k I don't think we'll see results. So

809
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 4: I think it's going to be that close. If you

810
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 4: look at the last Ali Springs election from mayor, it

811
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 4: ended up it was one vote and it went backwards

812
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 4: and forwards for weeks and weeks and weeks.

813
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 6: And like Alice Brings, the way which we the Council

814
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 6: does preferencing is like the Senate, it's proportional percentage preferencing.

815
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 6: So what we might actually see is someone who got

816
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 6: a quota, who has enough for two quotas if their

817
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 6: preferences follow their how to vote, Someone who potentially got

818
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 6: two hundred votes could be ending up on the council.

819
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: How is that?

820
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 4: Like?

821
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: That's wild? Do we need to look at the way

822
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: in which these preferences work and look at the legislation.

823
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's what anybody expects. I get

824
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: that it's the rule.

825
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 6: I think the government will certainly, well, most governments consider

826
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 6: electoral reform anyway, whether it's an update. The Electoral Commissioner

827
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 6: always provides a briefing. So I guess that's a question

828
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 6: for Bill. Are they going to look at any electoral

829
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 6: reform this time?

830
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 4: And generally, way the preferences work is in most cases

831
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 4: it is what the people wants and then that's the

832
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 4: way that the preferential system works, and you generally get

833
00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 4: the person that the community is looking for. Excuse me, Katie, Look,

834
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 4: it's going to be to see what happens today. I

835
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 4: think it's going to be very very close, both darl

836
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 4: And and out Springs. I'd love to see result of that,

837
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 4: don't We're going to get it.

838
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'd all like to see one.

839
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 2: Preferences are interesting.

840
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 6: If you look at Fanny Bay, the third candidate became

841
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 6: the first candidates Night and Fanny Bay, it's very interesting.

842
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 6: So I think some things to certainly watch in that space.

843
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 3: I think it'll be interesting, be interesting to see how

844
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 3: how if people actually followed the boat because here in

845
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 3: Dale and there was a past of thousands, you know,

846
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 3: and you giggled, you hand it amountain of paper when

847
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 3: you walk in, and then you and people just want

848
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 3: to get out. So okay, who do I want? I'll

849
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 3: tick that person and then maybe ban man just get

850
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 3: rid of.

851
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 6: The Gary bloody bill and me. We had twenty five

852
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 6: candidates in Alice Springs. You're walking in. I've never had

853
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 6: that many people.

854
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: On a ballot paper.

855
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 6: So you get down and you get to like you

856
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 6: get to seventeen, and you're like, have I done six?

857
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 5: So you know, I don't mind, I went through. I

858
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 5: went right now now just go cross.

859
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: Reference make worse than when you get to the bottom

860
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: and you go, oh yeah, bugger off forgot to put

861
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: that person in.

862
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 6: But I think in all honesty, there have been some

863
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 6: questions that need to be answered by their local government minister.

864
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 6: And that's in the Bush where they've compressed the voting

865
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,720
Speaker 6: times through the Electrical Commission. So what we were hearing

866
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 6: out Bush is that people saying we used to have

867
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 6: the councils used to be involved in it.

868
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 2: They weren't this time around.

869
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 6: It was just the Electric Commission and we had some

870
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 6: remote communities where there was only voting on.

871
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: For like an hour.

872
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 6: So you know, we don't want to disenfranchise our remote

873
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 6: territorians from our democratic processes.

874
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: Look, we're going to take a really quick break before

875
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: we get ready to wrap up for the morning. You

876
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 1: are listening to Mixwellow four point nine. It is the

877
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: week that was well you have been listening to the

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Speaker 1: week that wasn't in the studio of course this morning

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Speaker 1: we've got Bill Yan, Chancey Paig and Gary Shipway and

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Speaker 1: Well Bell's message through and said, good morning, Katie, what's

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Speaker 1: going on this morning on your show? Everyone's being civil

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Speaker 1: with one another, no oc spray and used reckons. Bell

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Speaker 1: it's mill from Darwin.

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Speaker 2: Right next to me.

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Speaker 4: I went in to buy I wanted to buy some

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Speaker 4: the other day, Katie, but they'd already sold out.

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Speaker 1: Any Oh that's all right, mate, no need, no need.

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Speaker 1: It's been wonderful to have you all in the studio

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Speaker 1: this morning. And do want to say before you go,

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Speaker 1: Happy Father's Day to the dad's in here. For Sunday.

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Speaker 1: I hope you have a greater great Sunday and to

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Speaker 1: remorm kids that better remind them.

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Speaker 6: Hey, Katie, just on that obviously, shout out to all

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Speaker 6: the dads and all the male role models and caregivers

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Speaker 6: in child protection spaces.

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Speaker 5: It's good.

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Speaker 6: One thing I just wanted to touch on. We've had

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Speaker 6: the privilege of having the premiere film screening of Kangaroo

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Speaker 6: in Our Springs that is in every Australian cinema this

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Speaker 6: weekend for Father's Day. Apparently it's for free, so free screening,

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Speaker 6: take your dad down and watch.

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Speaker 4: Josh Bergan was down there with his daughter and Ali

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Speaker 4: Springs for the opening at Harrel Luon on the Red carpet,

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Speaker 4: which was great to see. And of course this weekend

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Speaker 4: Father's y Al Springs Red Center NATS, so get your

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Speaker 4: backs up.

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Speaker 5: So for all of.

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Speaker 4: Pectral heads out there, get all the springs for red

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Speaker 4: SUTNNTS skids burnouts.

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Speaker 1: Wonderful And can I just say that Chancey Pike's committed

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Speaker 1: to growing a full mullet for next year's Red Center NATS.

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Speaker 2: I'll try, I'll try, Black Little Jack.

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Speaker 5: No, I don't think I could pull a mullet off.

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Speaker 2: Katie, Oh, you could have the ring of head.

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Speaker 1: I think you're going for the handlebarstas chop a mustache, Stea.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we haven't worked out Gary, but we will.

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Speaker 3: I just want to get my hair back.

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Speaker 1: Oh. Thank you all so much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: Chancey Paig, thank you for joining us. Thank you, Katie,

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Speaker 1: Bill Yeah, thank you. It's great to be here, Katie,

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Speaker 1: Gary ship Way, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Katie, have a great weekend you two.

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