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Speaker 1: Jump mission with Jonesy and Amanda.

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Speaker 2: Well, with COVID taking over our lives and a new

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Speaker 2: premier taking the range. You may not have realized that

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Speaker 2: the labor leadership changed late last year. In New South Wales,

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Speaker 2: opposition leader is Chris Mins. And from doing my research,

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Speaker 2: I've discovered he was a part time firefighter. I stay

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Speaker 2: at home dad. He went to Princeton. He's currently binging Succession,

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Speaker 2: which is our favorite show. Chris Mins, Hello, and.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Amanda Jonesy, Good morning.

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Speaker 3: Chris, A part time firefighter said, did that mean when

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Speaker 3: you weren't working you saw a fighting with it? Well,

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Speaker 3: not on I'd love to help you out.

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Speaker 2: I'm at home watching Succession.

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Speaker 1: I'm not on the clock at the moment unfortunately. Sorry guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just station forty eight in Mortale in Sydney. If you're

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Speaker 1: listening to guys until they're working.

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Speaker 3: Hard, no doubt of course they would be those far

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Speaker 3: as I know that fire station there. So we've never

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Speaker 3: actually gotten to speak to you, and you've always impressed me,

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Speaker 3: Chris about what you haven't said during this pandemic. And

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Speaker 3: I think there's one thing to be in opposition, but

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Speaker 3: you don't have to pose everything. And I found that

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Speaker 3: you haven't been like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we tried not so.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I think one of the big misnome

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Speaker 1: is about politics is that everything the government does bad

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Speaker 1: and the opposition's job is to oppose everything that happens.

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Speaker 1: And look, I think probably to be fair, it was

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Speaker 1: more the case under the former premier Gladys Purgically and

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Speaker 1: she seemed like a pretty common sense leader who focused

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Speaker 1: on the data and expert advice. And I you know,

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Speaker 1: the first to acknowledge those first year, that first year

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Speaker 1: eighteen months of COVID management was really difficult. And you

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Speaker 1: think about the decisions that had to be made, not

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Speaker 1: just by Herbert, by doctors and nurses and paramedics. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what a shocked a couple of years for the state.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's just a real credit for those that

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Speaker 1: putting the hard yard.

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Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this, Chris. Being an opposition

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Speaker 2: is very different to being in the leadership position. If

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Speaker 2: you were premier today as of today, what would you

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Speaker 2: do that's different to what the current government's doing.

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Speaker 1: You know, the first thing I would do, Amanda, is

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Speaker 1: give a surge allowance to hospital workers. So Victoria has

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Speaker 1: done that in the last couple of weeks, just in

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Speaker 1: recognition of the fact that they've had to do many

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Speaker 1: of them six and a half shifts a week, working

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Speaker 1: around the clock in very, very difficult set to circumstances.

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Speaker 1: I mean, imagine putting on and off that COVID safetype

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Speaker 1: protective equipment, seeing thousands of people coming through the doors,

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Speaker 1: and having to make really difficult decisions. I think it's

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Speaker 1: what they call a surge allowance, a special payment for

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Speaker 1: every shift for our frontline workers. I think they've been

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Speaker 1: the heroes of the pandemic and we need to make

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Speaker 1: sure that they know that we're very grateful for the

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Speaker 1: work they've put in.

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Speaker 2: Would you have opened up in the same way? How

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Speaker 2: are you viewing all of that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, I think lockdowns are a thing of the past.

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Speaker 1: We can't go back to them. The Chief Health Officer

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Speaker 1: has been telling the new south Wald government that the

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Speaker 1: horse as well and truly bolted on the front wave

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Speaker 1: is different, But I would have made different decisions around

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Speaker 1: the December fifteenth, when the new Southwold government got rid

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Speaker 1: of the mask mandate and square meter distancing rule. Look,

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Speaker 1: our public hospital system. And look, the government actually reversed

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Speaker 1: their decision in relation to that. So we've got to

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Speaker 1: get these things right. That and business support, I think

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Speaker 1: in the next few weeks. I'm not really interested in

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Speaker 1: looking backwards all the time, but there are big decisions

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Speaker 3: While businesses are going down the toilet's revenue for speed

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Speaker 3: camera the mobile speed cameras has gone up seven hundred

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Speaker 3: removing the signs for mobile speed cameras and you feel

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Speaker 3: the same way, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Jasie, we do. So. In twenty twenty one, the New

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Speaker 1: Two years prior it was just nineteen thousand, so revenue

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Speaker 1: in an entire year. And I don't know about you,

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Speaker 1: but I think I would much rather someone not commit

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Speaker 1: And I'm just not convinced someone getting a fine in

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Speaker 1: is the best way of reducing the road toll. If

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Speaker 1: it's anything like our house, everyone sort of starts to

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Speaker 3: Well, the other question I'd ask you is who owns

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Speaker 3: the mobile speed cameras? Because I've looked everywhere you can't

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Speaker 3: seem to find it. You hear people say it's more

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Speaker 3: Quarry Bank owns it, which means to me that's like

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Speaker 3: a license to print money.

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Speaker 2: For Does that mean they license them to the government.

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Speaker 3: Yes, this is what I heard. Do you know any

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Speaker 3: more about that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I do. They're all tended out effectively, they're privatized,

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Speaker 1: so those cars you said on the side of the road,

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Speaker 1: they have no detail on them, so you don't know

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Speaker 1: necessarily whether they're speed cameras or not. All of them

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Speaker 1: have been tended by private companies who bid for them

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Speaker 1: on a government website, and different companies have different regions

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Speaker 1: can just imagine how much money they're making. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I can tell you that they made forty six million

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Speaker 1: and that's a huge increase, but particularly stuck when you

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Speaker 3: And it's not like I'm against it's not like I'm

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Speaker 3: So if you have one moment of inattention or one

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Speaker 3: I haven't lost any points, but it really is setting

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's right. I mean our point is

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Speaker 1: get those signs back up and focus on high visibility policing.

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Speaker 1: If you get pulled over by police officers and says

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Speaker 1: you've been speeding, well you've got those sympathy from me.

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Speaker 1: That's the way it's always been. But you're right by

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Speaker 1: removing the signs, making them multi directional and effectively making

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Speaker 1: them hidden. And when you consider the vast majority in fines,

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Speaker 1: those are for the lowest defense ten kilometers or less.

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Speaker 1: This is more about revenue raising than actually reducing speed

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Speaker 1: on our streets. As I said, I'd much rather someone

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Speaker 1: see a sign and they say, actually, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I've got to slow down. I have to remember the

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Speaker 1: NRMA agrees they want the signs of returned as well.

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Speaker 2: It's almost like changing if you want to change the behavior,

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Speaker 2: As you say, you need to tell someone of their

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Speaker 2: behavior at the time. It's like rubbing a dog's nose

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Speaker 2: in the WII or whatever. Is There's no point a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a bit of that exactly, Amanda. And the

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Speaker 1: other thing is this has not been widely reported, but

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Speaker 1: they've tripled the number of cameras across the state and

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Speaker 1: they're now multi directional. So the revenue that these private

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Speaker 1: and it's only going to get worse in the coming

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Speaker 1: year because this has been a huge revenue raising exercise. Look,

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Speaker 1: I know the government needs money. There's been a lot

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Speaker 1: about going over the last two years. But you know

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Speaker 1: there's better ways of doing it than catching drivers in

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Speaker 2: And as you say, a lot of that money is

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Speaker 2: going to the private companies, isn't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, we're not even we're not even getting any

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Speaker 3: of it. As the member of Cogra, how's the Bruce

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Speaker 3: Lee statue going in Cogra.

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Speaker 1: It's still perplexing as as the wife's there, but yet

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Speaker 1: it's still standing strong in the middle of the Cobra down.

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Speaker 3: Great because people at the time when the Bruce Lee statue,

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Speaker 3: I think it was two thousand and four came in,

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Speaker 3: people weren't overly happy.

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Speaker 2: He's never been to Cobra and he's not going to

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Speaker 2: he's dead. That was the unveiling.

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Speaker 1: That was the.

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Speaker 3: You're standing next to Frank Sartor, but Bruce is okay. Well, Chris,

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Speaker 3: it's great to meet you on the show. Good luck

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Speaker 3: with everything in the future, and we'll talk to you again.

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Speaker 1: It's a real pleasure. Thanks guys, Chris.

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Speaker 3: Men's there, our opposition leader

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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda's Nation