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Speaker 1: And Amanda jam Nation.

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Speaker 2: I'm interested to know how you feel about this, Brendon,

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Speaker 2: because I've got to say similar age, although you are

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Speaker 2: seven years younger than I am. Okay, it was my

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Speaker 2: son's birthday, Jack.

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Speaker 1: I managed to hang out with him on over his birthday.

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Speaker 2: The night before his birthday, he was at the pub

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Speaker 2: with his friends.

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Speaker 1: I was holding his hand in the pub. I said,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to hold I'm going to hold on to

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Speaker 1: you forever. And then he said, okay, there's seven minutes

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Speaker 1: till midnight. I said, I'm up for it.

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Speaker 2: So his birthday kicked over. He had been at the

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Speaker 2: pub since one o'clock and you were there with him

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Speaker 2: at midnight. But I didn't put anything on my so

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Speaker 2: I suddenly remember realized this morning I hadn't put anything

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Speaker 2: on my social media wishing Jack a happy birthday, and

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Speaker 2: I felt guilty. I mean, if it's my dad's birthday

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Speaker 2: or whatever, you know, he's not on social media. All

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Speaker 2: that sort of stuff doesn't matter. But would it matter

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Speaker 2: to Jack? And I thought, here's this constant guilt now

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Speaker 2: that if you don't express an emotion on Instagram, it's

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Speaker 2: like you don't care. Did it happen and Jack knows

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Speaker 2: I care obviously have anybody last night and spent the day.

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Speaker 2: Of course he knows that. But we're now agonized if

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Speaker 2: you forget to put something on social.

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Speaker 1: Media, and this is agonized through ourselves. I don't think

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Speaker 1: other people would judge you. I don't think people would say, oh,

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Speaker 1: you know, a Manda Kella didn't say happy birthday to

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Speaker 1: her son. I think it's the expectation of social media.

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Speaker 2: We on ourselves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we do. Because Mother's Day came around. I

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Speaker 1: don't usually post anything on Mother's Day, and I thought

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Speaker 1: I should have pasted something on Mother's Day.

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Speaker 2: But Helen or your mom just for.

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Speaker 1: Mom and you know, the moms of the world and

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Speaker 1: right one of those worthy things that people seem to write,

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Speaker 1: and there's a pressure. I think it's I think it's

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Speaker 1: solely pressure on yourself. There was a time before social media.

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Speaker 1: Often wonder in those quiet moments when I used to

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Speaker 1: come home and have a cup of tea, what did

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Speaker 1: I do before I got my iPhone? What did I do?

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Speaker 2: How did we spend our time? Time?

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Speaker 1: And I used to like, you know what I used

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Speaker 1: to do when we're kids, and we'd have cereal in

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Speaker 1: the morning I'd read the serial box. Cerial Box would

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Speaker 1: be sitting in front of and I read it. You

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Speaker 1: know nyasin and all that chunk and ribe a flavor

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Speaker 1: and iron and also to be a spit card so

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Speaker 1: you didn't have to see your siblings eating their cereal,

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Speaker 1: because that was the worst thing in the world to

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Speaker 1: watch your sibling eats.

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Speaker 2: All the time we do, so it's a shame. It's shaming,

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Speaker 2: isn't it When my phone says you spent this many hours?

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Speaker 2: But also I scroll through things for work to find

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Speaker 2: topics and things like that, I feel like yelling at

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Speaker 2: my phone. Don't shame me. But also I'm on a

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Speaker 2: couple of WhatsApp groups and some of them cross over

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Speaker 2: with each other with my friends of different groups. And

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Speaker 2: if it's someone's birthday, even if I've texted them separated

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Speaker 2: say happy birthday, if everyone else in the Whatsap group

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Speaker 2: is wishing them a happy birthday, I have to get

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Speaker 2: on that group. Think I feel so that I'm seen

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Speaker 2: to be wishing them a happy birthday even though I've

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Speaker 2: done it privately. Yeah, it's exhausting.

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Speaker 1: I can't be a part of a new WhatsApp group.

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Speaker 1: I've got too many as it is, and that's it.

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Speaker 1: And people say you should be on this, people that

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Speaker 1: ride on Saturdays and.

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Speaker 2: Sundays, and I've got to do friendship groups.

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Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. No, it's too much, but it is.

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Speaker 2: And so Jack, if you're listening to this, have you

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Speaker 2: been twenty seven? Unlikely?

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Speaker 1: But let's call it.

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Speaker 2: His birthday was yesterday and Lims is on Thursday. And now,

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Speaker 2: obviously I can't do a social post for leb.

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Speaker 1: I know you can't know, or just to stir Jack

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Speaker 1: up to my favorite son, the heir to the Keller fortune,

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Speaker 1: don't the king of the castle.

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Speaker 2: It's it's a pressure, isn't it that you, as you say,

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Speaker 2: quite rightly, we put on.

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Speaker 1: It's only on yourself. I don't think anyone would judge

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Speaker 1: you for And no one cares about what anyone posts

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Speaker 1: on social media. That's the thing, is that true. No

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Speaker 1: one cares.

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Speaker 2: Woul Jack care that I didn't do it.

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Speaker 1: No, he doesn't.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to text him and ask him, Hey, who's it?

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Speaker 2: Did you mind?

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Speaker 1: I didn't do anything, not even listening to the good

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Speaker 1: old radio, which has been around since Marconi invented it.