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Speaker 1: Three sixty with Katie Wolf. Join the conversation with Katie Wolf.

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Speaker 1: You are our eyes and ears in the territory Mixed

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Speaker 1: one oh four point nine.

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Speaker 2: Now, yesterday we caught up with the Health Minister, as

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Speaker 2: you heard a little earlier, who revealed that flights transporting

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Speaker 2: repatriated Australians could soon be about to be transferred through

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Speaker 2: the Darwin International Airport rather than the Raft facility. Now

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Speaker 2: the Opposition leader Leafanochiio is asking the same question. I

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Speaker 2: think that many of us are asking, if it's not broken,

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Speaker 2: why are we trying to fix the system that served

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Speaker 2: us well until this point. Lea Fanochio, the opposition leader,

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Speaker 2: joins me on the line. Now, good morning to you.

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Speaker 1: Leah, Good morning Katie and to your listeners.

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Speaker 2: Now, Leah, do you think that this is a good idea?

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Speaker 1: I think this is crazy talk. I mean we've had

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Speaker 1: a system that's works perfectly up until this point, and

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Speaker 1: of course now we've got the Gunner governments completely changing

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Speaker 1: everything up. I mean we've seen them change a ppe

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Speaker 1: out of the Howard Brings International Quarantine, They've scrapped rapid

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Speaker 1: Antis and testing for Starve and now all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden we're going to have a situation where those international

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Speaker 1: repatriation flights aren't going to be cordered off through the

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Speaker 1: RAF base, They're going to be coming through the Darwin

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Speaker 1: International Airport precincts. And I think people are just asking

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Speaker 1: feel that at this point they're going to change things up.

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Speaker 2: I mean, could it be a situation here though, where

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Speaker 2: the raff actually need to utilize their facility and we've

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Speaker 1: Well I don't know that that is the case, Katie,

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Speaker 1: Gunner government and this new single governance model are really

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Speaker 1: wanting to put their own stamp on it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the how it brings quarantine facility. It's just really alarming

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Speaker 1: when we've got a situation where OZMA has been removed

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's face it, the way COVID will get

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Speaker 1: I mean that presents the highest risk. We've done it

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Speaker 1: really really well so far, and I just think people

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Speaker 1: hasn't given proper justification for it. They're just expecting territories

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Speaker 1: The communication needs to be very clear, it needs to

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Speaker 1: be articulated well, and it needs the support of the community.

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Speaker 1: The only way to do that is to create confidence.

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Speaker 1: But when you're just chopping and changing things left, right

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Speaker 2: I know that the Airport Development Group have issued a

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Speaker 2: provide access to the Darwin International Airport for repatriation flights,

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Speaker 2: with discussions between the Airport Development Group, the Commonwealth Government

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Speaker 2: they do require significant capital works to be completed in

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Speaker 1: Look, it possibly could work. And I think that's fantastic

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Speaker 1: it shows us is that these negotiations are still very

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're looking at nine point four billion dollar

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Speaker 1: And so far I've heard nothing that really justifies this departure. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Look, I can't really understand why we're looking at changing

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Speaker 1: Look, it may very well be the case, but I mean,

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Speaker 1: and that will remain to be seen. But what we're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, there's certainly a lot of people getting

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Speaker 2: in contact with us about this. I've got one message here,

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Speaker 2: repatriation flights. Also why all the changes that Howard springs.

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Speaker 2: Nothing will change is what they said, says that text.

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Speaker 2: Another one here, this time from Joe, when it says

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Speaker 2: good morning Katie. The NT government continues to prove if

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Speaker 2: including concerned territorians, reckons Joe. There's no doubt that when

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Speaker 2: One announcement though, that the government made yesterday is additional

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Speaker 1: I mean, increased testing is certainly very important, but you know,

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Speaker 1: of course we're selling it this this great tourist destination

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Speaker 1: that's hugely concerning when it comes to COVID. People want

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Speaker 2: Leah, how are you feeling at the moment about the

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Speaker 1: Well, we know that police on our borders was an

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Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily require a full consortable standing at our borders.

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Speaker 1: But ultimately, you know, again, this is another change to

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Speaker 1: Well, that's right, because you're crossing over you're relying then

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Speaker 1: I don't you know, police on our borders is a

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Speaker 1: a very big departure from how we've done it before.

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Speaker 2: Leah, across the territory at the moment, there does still

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Speaker 2: seem to be some vaccine hesitancy. Do you think that

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Speaker 2: allow all Territorians over the age of sixteen to get

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, without question, everyone who wants to get vaccinated should

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Speaker 2: How do I reckon they do that? I mean, how

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Speaker 1: I think you've got to spend the time, and I

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Speaker 1: It's got to be done in a slow and steady

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Speaker 1: just you know, on Tuesday next week, we're going to

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Speaker 1: the next day. And that's just not working. And that's

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Speaker 1: just that's playing out right across the territory.

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Speaker 2: Lea. We've just got a message here. It says we've

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Speaker 2: seen the government can pull together a mass testing over

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Speaker 2: the over the weekend at the Netball car park. They

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Speaker 2: should do the same every weekend to get Territori ins

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Speaker 2: the vaccine. What do you reckon?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's great. I mean, if I was

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Speaker 1: allowed to get the vaccine, Katie, I'd be there tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: I know, you know a lot of people would. And

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Speaker 1: it's actually really difficult to see vaccines, you know, just

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just ridiculous that we have to wait

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Speaker 1: We need to be doing things differently and starting to

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Speaker 1: push a lot harder. Let people who want to have

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Speaker 1: who are still concerned. Let's do that important work with

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Speaker 1: the line and sort it out. But you know, this

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Speaker 1: for anyone. It's a ridiculous tough talk. You need to

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Speaker 2: Positional leader Leaf and Ochiro. Just quickly before we wrap up,

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Speaker 2: we're about to catch up with just Center Price. She

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Speaker 2: has confirmed in The Australian Today that she is going

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Speaker 2: to be competing against National Senator Sam McMahon for the

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Speaker 2: coorp's coveted senate spot. Is this going to mean an

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Speaker 2: ugly pre selection stash.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think so at all. I mean the

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Speaker 1: Country Liberal Party is all about being open to territories

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Speaker 1: and finding for the territory, and our pre selection process

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Speaker 1: is very open. We call for expresions of interest for

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Speaker 1: every seat. As a matter, if it's my seat, or

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Speaker 1: all the senators or anybody's Katie, we all have to recontest.

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Speaker 1: There's no free rides in the Country Liberal Party and

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Speaker 1: so we put it out there because we want passionate

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Speaker 1: Territorians to put their hat in the ring, and you know,

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Speaker 1: the party membership will We'll look at all the people

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Speaker 1: in camera, well.

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Speaker 2: Leaf and Occhio, we better leave it there. We'll catch

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Speaker 2: up with you again, hopefully Friday. We'll see how if

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Speaker 2: you're on for the way that was, we'll talk to

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Speaker 2: you then.

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Speaker 1: Great, Thank you,