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Speaker 1: All right, folks, hold on, I know I said that
Speaker 1: was going to be the last act of the night,
Speaker 1: but you know.
Speaker 2: How we do it here. This ain't your average comedy club,
Speaker 2: that's right, ladies, and Jens are very special.
Speaker 1: Friend of the club is dropped by tonight to share
Speaker 1: some new material he's been working on. Give it up
Speaker 1: for billionaire tech mogul and wanna be comedian e Long Musk.
Speaker 2: Thanks guys, wow, thank you. Really, it's an honor. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm a lucky guy, what with Tesla's SpaceX and being
Speaker 2: the richest person on the entire planet and all that.
Speaker 2: But if there's one thing that's missing in my life,
Speaker 2: well it's the fact that people don't see me as
Speaker 2: a real comedian. But hopefully I can change that tonight.
Speaker 2: What do you think? Thank you? Thank you. Well, let
Speaker 2: me start off with one that I have been mulling
Speaker 2: over for a little while. Now, what do you get
Speaker 2: when you cross eighteenth century art with killer robots? Rococo Basalisk?
Speaker 2: Get it Rococo Basalisk as in Roco's Basilisk. You know,
Speaker 2: the artificial intelligence thought experiment, but it's Rococo like the
Speaker 2: art movement. Nobody gets me, No, no I gets you.
Speaker 2: So this seems ridiculous, and I'm sure everyone's.
Speaker 1: Thinking, what are you guys talking about? But this joke,
Speaker 1: if you can even call it a joke, but I've google,
Speaker 1: I still don't actually understand it. It's something to do
Speaker 1: with artificial intelligence tied with this big art movement. There
Speaker 1: is apparently if you're in that world, there is a
Speaker 1: funny joking.
Speaker 2: Now I still can't see it. But this joke is
Speaker 2: what started.
Speaker 1: The most unexpected relationship of all time. Well, what I
Speaker 1: think is the most unexpected relationship of all time. This
Speaker 1: is the relationship between tech billionaire Elon Musk and experimental
Speaker 1: electronic musician Grimes Britt.
Speaker 2: Even with you explaining the joke, I still don't understand
Speaker 2: the joke.
Speaker 1: I watched like a twenty minute documentary and I couldn't
Speaker 1: find I couldn't.
Speaker 2: Figure out I'm Britt and I'm Laura. This is hooked, hitched,
Speaker 2: and hung up.
Speaker 1: Hey guys, just a quick heads up. This episode contains
Speaker 1: a brief mention of suicide, sexual assault, and occasional spicy language.
Speaker 1: All right, Laura, I am coming to you with probably
Speaker 1: one of the weirdest, most wild, most convoluted, and far
Speaker 1: fet relationships in the public space in a long time.
Speaker 2: I mean, we've already covered a few of them, so
Speaker 2: I know, and I think it just gets more wild
Speaker 2: and wild.
Speaker 1: But this has got to be the wildest, and I
Speaker 1: guess because it's still pretty current. I am talking today
Speaker 1: about Elon Musk and Grimes.
Speaker 2: I feel like their relationship is wildly famous, but no
Speaker 2: one knows any details.
Speaker 1: Elon fascinates me. He's so giving. Okay, He's given so
Speaker 1: much money. I'm talking billions to charity. He's so so generous.
Speaker 1: He's like the modern day superhero. Someone tweets him and says,
Speaker 1: Elon Musk, our country has this problem, help and he's
Speaker 1: literally there to save the day the next day.
Speaker 2: He's the modern day superhero. I think this is so
Speaker 2: interesting that you say that, though, because like he is
Speaker 2: the type of billionaire that goes beyond billionaire. He is
Speaker 2: so stinking rich, like so stinking rich that nobody could
Speaker 2: ever comprehend how stinking rich he is. So when you
Speaker 2: say he's really generous, I've read something that he'd only
Speaker 2: given like two percent of his combined wealth to charity,
Speaker 2: which I know is billions of dollars. It's still like
Speaker 2: six billion dollars, but it's only two percent of the
Speaker 2: money that he has. So when you say he's so generous,
Speaker 2: I'm like, mate, two percent if that would be like
Speaker 2: you or I, you know, giving one thousand dollars or
Speaker 2: one hundred dollars, whatever it is. And then people being like,
Speaker 2: she is so generous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he pays like thirty billion dollars a year
Speaker 1: in tax.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good, so we should Okay, so we know what
Speaker 2: side of the fence law is off. You're gonna make cars,
Speaker 2: you better pay for those roads. It is also, okay.
Speaker 1: The reason people love him so much, and the reason
Speaker 1: that I loved him so much, even though he's controversial,
Speaker 1: I originally loved him so much because he's self made.
Speaker 1: And now when I say self made, it's not like
Speaker 1: he had a rags to riches story. He was born
Speaker 1: and raised in South Africa. His mum was this beautiful
Speaker 1: model and his dad was an engineer by trade. But
Speaker 1: his dad was very successful in his own right, Like
Speaker 1: he owned half an emerald Mind in Zambia. He owned
Speaker 1: a bunch of other things. He didn't grow up poor,
Speaker 1: but he did make his money on his own.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure having an emerald mind was helpful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely helps you on the dark days. So Elon
Speaker 1: went to university in America. He got a double degree
Speaker 1: in economics and physics. He's definitely no dummy. After that,
Speaker 1: he started a PhD at Stanford University. But this wasn't
Speaker 1: as successful as his original university degree, so he dropped
Speaker 1: out after two days and he started a company Zip two.
Speaker 1: After he sold Zip too, he began another company that
Speaker 1: would eventually merge with PayPal. And of course we know
Speaker 1: that he went and did Tesla, the electric car company.
Speaker 2: He did SpaceX. He got this big rocket company. He's
Speaker 2: sending rockets everywhere because.
Speaker 1: This company, he plans to start a new civilization on Mars. Like,
Speaker 1: if you were trying to start a new civilization on Mars,
Speaker 1: you've got too much money.
Speaker 2: Elon a mask is worth more than two hundred billion dollars. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like way more, which I think is why when you
Speaker 2: think about the percentage that he's given to charity, six
Speaker 2: billion dollars really isn't that much money. It's a piss
Speaker 2: in the ocean, Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: I'm on the fence with him because I'm on one hand.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you are an incredible human. You're using your
Speaker 1: brain for a lot of good. You're using your money
Speaker 1: for a lot of good. Then he'll go and say
Speaker 1: something so stupid online. I'm like, man, you're really ruining
Speaker 1: this for me.
Speaker 2: So I feel like everyone knows a little bit about
Speaker 2: Elon Musk, even if it's just surface level stuff, But
Speaker 2: tell me a little bit more about Grimes.
Speaker 1: Grimes is one of those people that, to be honest,
Speaker 1: you know the name, you know that she was a
Speaker 1: little bit weird, bit of a weird artist, but you
Speaker 1: don't know anything about it.
Speaker 2: I didn't know anything about it. Her music was not
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 1: She's very eccentric, and I don't actually know what she
Speaker 1: looks like because she's always dressed up in so many costumes,
Speaker 1: eccentric makeup, different colored hair, She could walk past me
Speaker 1: on the street.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't know who. She's literally a walking Instagram filter.
Speaker 2: Grimes's real name. It is not Grimes.
Speaker 1: Her name is Claire Bouchet, but she now refers to
Speaker 1: herself just as C and not a capital C, not
Speaker 1: a bold sea, a little small italic sea. She comes
Speaker 1: from really strict parents. She's very, very smart. They're a
Speaker 1: very intellectual family. Her mother was a Crown prosecutor and
Speaker 1: her father was an investment banker. He now is in
Speaker 1: the business side biotech, so he I guess he has that.
Speaker 2: Kind of an interest.
Speaker 1: Her childhood was pretty I mean pretty standard, pretty nerdy.
Speaker 2: I did read that her dad used to read to
Speaker 2: her when she was a toddler. Lord of the Rings. Now,
Speaker 2: let me tell you, as a mother of a toddler,
Speaker 2: I'm lucky if I can get halfway through ABCD.
Speaker 1: She grew up reading sci fi books, so I guess,
Speaker 1: I guess this is that thing. Is this like nature
Speaker 1: versus nurture? Do you think that she got into this
Speaker 1: world because of the influence of her father reading her
Speaker 1: sci fi books as a child, like she had that
Speaker 1: was her only option, But I think BAMBI.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think it also just goes to show
Speaker 2: that she's a genius. The things that she was exposed
Speaker 2: to and things that she was opting into as a
Speaker 2: very little child, it makes it so obvious that she
Speaker 2: is like a completely left a field genius child.
Speaker 1: She's on a different level. She was really badly bullied
Speaker 1: at school. There was a lot of bitch and slut
Speaker 1: being written on her lockers, and she said she had
Speaker 1: a really hard time there. Fast forward to two thousand
Speaker 1: and six, she went to study neuroscience and philosophy with
Speaker 1: a double minor in Russian language and psychoacoustics. Now I
Speaker 1: know what you're gonna ask me, Laura, what is psycho acoustics?
Speaker 2: I mean, I know, I know exactly what that is.
Speaker 1: Of course, it's the study of our psychological response to
Speaker 1: certain sounds. I still don't know why anybody would want
Speaker 1: to study this.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's really interesting because sound can
Speaker 2: it's so emotive. I mean, it's not something that I
Speaker 2: would want to dedicate nine years of study two but
Speaker 2: it's very interesting.
Speaker 1: Because of this really weird degree that she's doing psychoacoustics,
Speaker 1: she had to learn how to use logic and garage bands,
Speaker 1: so garage band. I mean, everyone knows that I was
Speaker 1: on the Apple computer. You know, it's like it's like
Speaker 1: a music editor. Yeah, she had to learn how to
Speaker 1: use that.
Speaker 2: It's almost like her music career was just like this
Speaker 2: little sidekick hobby. And she was there doing like quite
Speaker 2: a very intensely academic degree. Whereas you think, like most
Speaker 2: people who become famous for music or like really get
Speaker 2: into that sort of like superstar role, it's because they've
Speaker 2: dedicated their whole life to being a musician. And she's
Speaker 2: just like, yeah, I learned garage band on the side.
Speaker 1: Yeah, She's like, I'm so smart, and now I'm bored
Speaker 1: and I'm learning garage band and now I'm grime.
Speaker 2: And that was it. That was how Grahams was born.
Speaker 1: That was literally she stumbled across it at university in
Speaker 1: a completely different degree. A friend got her to sing backups.
Speaker 1: She wasn't too bad, she learned how to do it.
Speaker 1: She thought she was good at she started gramps.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that all sounds very I mean, as much
Speaker 2: as it's a bit of a different way of getting
Speaker 2: into music, it all sounds very mainstream. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So she created two albums that didn't really you had
Speaker 1: to be very very in the underground world to know
Speaker 1: who she was and what she was doing. But her
Speaker 1: third album, she says that she pretty much just like
Speaker 1: locked herself away, did drugs for seven to ten days,
Speaker 1: did the whole album in a total of like three weeks,
Speaker 1: and wrote a killer album, and that is what put
Speaker 1: her on.
Speaker 2: The radar of the world. This is literally she wrote,
Speaker 2: I blacked out the windows and did tons of amphetamines.
Speaker 2: What are time to be alive? Hey?
Speaker 1: But the third album she called it, she actually named
Speaker 1: it Visions, which is probably because for three weeks she
Speaker 1: was on amphetamines with.
Speaker 2: The curts closed and knows what kind of visions she
Speaker 2: was having.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this is literally what put her on the
Speaker 1: world's radar. But one of the singles from the album
Speaker 1: is called Oblivion. It was one of Grimes's most personal songs,
Speaker 1: and I guess it's a defining moment of Grimes and
Speaker 1: who she was. And she's pretty opening this sense about
Speaker 1: telling the world things that happened to her. She says,
Speaker 1: this song is about being violently assaulted and it made
Speaker 1: me crazy for a few years. I got really paranoid
Speaker 1: walking around at night and started feeling really unsafe. The
Speaker 1: song is more about empowering myself physically amongst a masculine
Speaker 1: power and the hate of feeling powerless, making light of
Speaker 1: masculine physical power, making it jovial and non threatening. I
Speaker 1: took a typically violent cultural situation and made it pop
Speaker 1: and happy. She starts to speak very openly about issues
Speaker 1: she has had with violence and men in the past,
Speaker 1: and the reason that when she gets together with Elon
Speaker 1: Musk down the track, the reason people are a bit
Speaker 1: confused about it, especially her superfans, is because people are like, well,
Speaker 1: he's a bit of a misogynist. He's made all these
Speaker 1: comments in the past about women and about pronouns and
Speaker 1: his use of pronouns and grimes.
Speaker 2: Whilst she doesn't.
Speaker 1: Say that she goes by they or them, she still
Speaker 1: says that she can be referred to as as she
Speaker 1: and her, but she wishes no one had to have pronouns,
Speaker 1: and she's very vocal about that as well.
Speaker 2: So it almost seems like contradictory, especially when you have
Speaker 2: somebody in who is a bit underground and people are
Speaker 2: like so invested in them because they feel so seen,
Speaker 2: because maybe they're a little bit of alternate, and then
Speaker 2: they've found like they're Queen Bee who's different in the
Speaker 2: same way that they are different to Then when she
Speaker 2: matches up with Elon to kind of feel a bit
Speaker 2: almost betrayed, like it doesn't match up, it doesn't make
Speaker 2: sense to them. And I do remember that when that
Speaker 2: relationship went public, there was like people were so confused
Speaker 2: by it.
Speaker 1: But Grimes, after she released her third album, she became
Speaker 1: very popular. She released her fourth album, which is called
Speaker 1: Art Angels, that came out in twenty fifteen, and that
Speaker 1: has actually been aimed as one of the top five
Speaker 1: hundred albums of all time.
Speaker 2: And I still don't understand that. I know, I've never
Speaker 2: heard a song of it neither, but there must be
Speaker 2: some neither, there's some people who are listening. They're all underground.
Speaker 1: This is where she comes a bit more mainstream. So
Speaker 1: we see her at Glastonbury, She's going to his awards ceremony.
Speaker 1: She's starting to wear Chanelle, she's starting to sew.
Speaker 2: Coming pop star. She's becoming a pop star.
Speaker 1: She's transitioning from the basement to a bonifid pop star. Well,
Speaker 1: let's talk about how they even met, because how does
Speaker 1: a tech billionaire on one side of the world meet
Speaker 1: somebody like Grimes, who is this like underground music wizard.
Speaker 2: And I think it has something to do with Rococo
Speaker 2: whatever that is.
Speaker 1: So I actually love the way they met. Believe it
Speaker 1: or not, Elon Musk one day came up with this
Speaker 1: joke about Rococo basilisk that we just talked about a
Speaker 1: little bit earlier that none of us still understand. He
Speaker 1: came up with this joke in his head and he's like,
Speaker 1: this is brilliant. I wonder before I tweet it if
Speaker 1: anyone has ever come up with this joke before.
Speaker 2: I better do my due diligence and check.
Speaker 1: Because you don't want to go and post something that
Speaker 1: you say you've just thought of it and someone else
Speaker 1: has posted it.
Speaker 2: So he jumps onto Twitter does a little search.
Speaker 1: To see if anyone has ever made this joke, this pun,
Speaker 1: and one person in the world had tweeted it. One
Speaker 1: person had come up with it, and believe it or not,
Speaker 1: it was Grimes. So somewhere on the other side of
Speaker 1: the world, probably locked up while she's doing drugs, Crimes
Speaker 1: has come up with this pun on her own and
Speaker 1: she's tweeted it. He's like, wow, I can't believe anyone
Speaker 1: else in the world is as smart as me.
Speaker 2: I'm going to DMA. Don't you love that? Like for
Speaker 2: all the rest of us when we hear those two
Speaker 2: words together and we're like, what the fuck are they
Speaker 2: talking about? He's getting a bone eye. He's like, this
Speaker 2: is me done. And they have like some weird little
Speaker 2: secret language and thing that's going on that they can
Speaker 2: both understand on a level that none of us can
Speaker 2: relate to. I mean, I wonder if there's anyone listening
Speaker 2: to this podcast he's like, oh, yeah, I know what
Speaker 2: that is. I get it. It probably heaps feels fast.
Speaker 1: I tell you what, if there's anything that's going to
Speaker 1: make you feel bumb, it's doing the research on Elon
Speaker 1: Musk for me to bring today else like, I don't
Speaker 1: know how I'm gonna do this episode. These are the
Speaker 1: two smartest humans in the world.
Speaker 2: You get, the dumber you get, you're like, oh, that's
Speaker 2: where I am in life. I actually can't tell you.
Speaker 1: During this research, I googled more words than I have
Speaker 1: ev googled because I didn't know a what they meant
Speaker 1: or b how to pronounce them. Just things that Elon
Speaker 1: has said in passing and I'm like, I better just
Speaker 1: quickly search that one.
Speaker 2: Anyway, the research took me like three weeks.
Speaker 1: The world first sees Grimes and Elon must together.
Speaker 2: They turn up to.
Speaker 1: The met Gala together, that big fashion event, just the
Speaker 1: who's who. They turn up there together, and that is
Speaker 1: where the world goes, what the actual fuck?
Speaker 2: I mean, I do remember these photos from the met Gala.
Speaker 2: They look like polar opposites. They look like they should
Speaker 2: not be together, but also like, what a perfect time
Speaker 2: and a perfect like costume opportunity to be together. Like
Speaker 2: if anything's ever gonna suit Grimes's vibe, it's rocking up
Speaker 2: at the met Gala. She'd like that was what she
Speaker 2: would probably wear on a normal Tuesday, But she did
Speaker 2: actually get to wear it at the met Gala and
Speaker 2: didn't look out of place. And I think like nobody
Speaker 2: was ex expecting their relationship at all. That's what kind
Speaker 2: of took everyone by such surprise. I mean, in retrospect,
Speaker 2: we know about this joke and this Twitter thing that
Speaker 2: went on, but like at the time, everyone was like,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, how do you even know each other?
Speaker 1: So they've turned out to the Mechala, the world has
Speaker 1: gone crazy. And the tweets are hilarious. No one understood it,
Speaker 1: no one. They had obviously been dating quietly for a
Speaker 1: few months, but to the world it came as a
Speaker 1: really big shock, especially because Elon wasn't really your typical celebrity.
Speaker 1: He's not a celebrity that would be at the met Gala.
Speaker 1: He's not a musician, he's not an actor. He's just
Speaker 1: this man with a lot of money that seems to
Speaker 1: be putting himself everywhere.
Speaker 2: But some of the tweets were, what do Grimes and
Speaker 2: Elon Musk even talk about?
Speaker 1: I bet they just sit around the dining room making
Speaker 1: squirrel noises and drinking glasses of rocket fuel.
Speaker 2: I knew I shouldn't have written my Grimes a Elon fanfic,
Speaker 2: and that dusty old journal I found in the Haunted
Speaker 2: antique store.
Speaker 1: Elon Mustad and Grimes is all the proof you need
Speaker 1: to know.
Speaker 2: We're in a simulation.
Speaker 1: No one could believe it. Now might be a good
Speaker 1: time to mention that Elon Musk this isn't his first
Speaker 1: big relationship. He's been married and he actually has five kids.
Speaker 2: He married a.
Speaker 1: Woman named Justine Musk. She still has his last name.
Speaker 1: They were sweethearts at university.
Speaker 2: They will be on and off.
Speaker 1: Calls herself his starter wife, and they had a son.
Speaker 1: They had a baby, and at ten weeks old, unfortunately
Speaker 1: he passed away from Sid's Sudden infant death syndrome.
Speaker 2: It's awful.
Speaker 1: They then went on to have twins, and then they
Speaker 1: had triplets, so they had five kids. Holy duly, Yeah,
Speaker 1: in like a pretty small space.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not surprised that the relationship didn't work
Speaker 2: out with all that happening.
Speaker 1: The insight that Justin gives into their relationship sets the
Speaker 1: scene for why the world can't understand why someone like
Speaker 1: Grimes is with someone like Elon, Because Justine said she
Speaker 1: always felt like she was walking on eggshell. She had
Speaker 1: to be a trophy wife. He wanted her to constantly
Speaker 1: dye her hair blonder, to look a certain way. The
Speaker 1: house always had to be kept immaculately. I'm sorry, but
Speaker 1: if you're worth three hundred million dollars, get me a cleaner.
Speaker 2: I mean interesting to say that, though, because can you
Speaker 2: remember Elon Musky four? He actually got with crimes like
Speaker 2: he had Oh my god, he had such a glow
Speaker 2: up in recent years like he is getting hotter as
Speaker 2: the years go by. I adn't gonna find him hotly.
Speaker 2: You're just poor. Exactly about fifteen years ago, ten years ago.
Speaker 2: I don't even know how it was. He was like
Speaker 2: kind of boulding, like really like he looked a little
Speaker 2: bit like an alien.
Speaker 1: He got like a hair transplant or hair plugs. He
Speaker 1: did get a hair dread because he went from like
Speaker 1: a four to five six.
Speaker 2: Weirdly, I find him kind of hot now. So he
Speaker 2: long story short.
Speaker 1: They divorced very very rapidly, well what feels like rapidly
Speaker 1: to Justine. So then he he leaves her and he's
Speaker 1: dating a very very young, beautiful model three to six
Speaker 1: months later, So he moved on very quickly. He started
Speaker 1: to day hurt that didn't work out. He moved on
Speaker 1: from her, and that's when he got together with Grimes.
Speaker 2: But these are all.
Speaker 1: The reasons that Grimes' fan base couldn't understand why she
Speaker 1: was dating somebody like Elon Musk, and they sort of
Speaker 1: started to turn on her. You know, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: she's in Chanelle, she's at the Mechala, she's with Elon Mask.
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, you're not the person that you publicly portray
Speaker 1: this is Hooked, Hitched, and hung Up, And in this episode,
Speaker 1: we're unpacking the unexpected coupling of tech billionaire Elon Musk
Speaker 1: and electronic musicians Slash Ultimate Manic Pixie Dreamgirl Grimes.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of reasons.
Speaker 1: That this relationship took the world by surprise, and I
Speaker 1: think one of the biggest ones is the disparity in
Speaker 1: their wealth. How much money Elon had in comparison to Grime.
Speaker 2: I mean, no one is going to ever match up
Speaker 2: to how much money Elon has.
Speaker 1: What wouldn't matter who he dated, unless he dated Jeff Bezos.
Speaker 2: Is that the other rich perion.
Speaker 1: What a beautiful couple that would make if they dated
Speaker 1: maybe what would probably still be unusual. So at that time,
Speaker 1: Mosk was reported to be worth about twenty billion dollars.
Speaker 1: This was twenty seventeen, twenty billion dollars, and Grimes, in
Speaker 1: her own right had made money. She's worth about three
Speaker 1: million dollars, which is a great amount of money, but
Speaker 1: not in comparison to twenty billion.
Speaker 2: That's like me having five cents. Yeah, But in terms
Speaker 2: of mismatches, I think like from the outset, I kind
Speaker 2: of looked at Elon as being like this really quite respectable,
Speaker 2: quite conservative, white, well dressed, a really normal guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's easy for us to sit here and
Speaker 1: list out all the reasons why these two are not
Speaker 1: right for each other, but they obviously have stuff in
Speaker 1: common to make the relationship work. Otherwise we wouldn't have
Speaker 1: seen them dating for years.
Speaker 2: Well. I also think that this is the ultimate case
Speaker 2: of don't judge a book by its cover. But really,
Speaker 2: I think when you start to scratch the surface and
Speaker 2: you look at their personality types and like what their
Speaker 2: core values are, I do think that they have a
Speaker 2: lot of similarities. Their shared interest in technology, their shared
Speaker 2: interest in futurism in science, also potentially their interest in psychedelics. Like,
Speaker 2: there are so many things here. I think when the
Speaker 2: judgment came in initially from the public, it was more
Speaker 2: to do with their aesthetics than it was actually to
Speaker 2: do with who they are as people.
Speaker 1: Aesthetics and I think the world that they live in, in
Speaker 1: the world that they've come from, for me, that's it.
Speaker 1: But the second you dig a little bit deeper, you
Speaker 1: realize how alike they are. Maybe he has a different
Speaker 1: side that we haven't yet seen and it's starting to
Speaker 1: seep through.
Speaker 2: So let me set this scene up.
Speaker 1: It's twenty nineteen and Grimes has tweeted that she is
Speaker 1: collaborating on a brand new song with rapper Azilia Banks.
Speaker 1: So like, everyone is so excited about that because that
Speaker 1: would be amazing. So Azilia was flying in to stay
Speaker 1: at their property with them and they were going to
Speaker 1: make all this music. The day before she arrived, Eyor
Speaker 1: posted one of his most infamous tweets to date, and
Speaker 1: he has done a lot, but he was claiming that
Speaker 1: he was going to take Tesla, so that was his
Speaker 1: car company. He was going to take Tesla private at
Speaker 1: four twenty per share. Now, four to twenty a share
Speaker 1: is a weed reference.
Speaker 2: I had to look that up, Okay, I you mean,
Speaker 2: and by look at that, you mean I had to
Speaker 2: explain it to you. So four twenty, if you don't know,
Speaker 2: is like a number that represents marijuana.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So he's tweeted that he's taking Tesla at four
Speaker 1: twenty a share. So there are some people that are laughing,
Speaker 1: being like, this is just a child, it's a jo's body.
Speaker 2: He's making a joke.
Speaker 1: But there are other people thinking his company is going
Speaker 1: to go private. This is him telling us at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, this is market manipulation. He ends
Speaker 1: up getting in a lot of trouble for that. But
Speaker 1: that's not the weird part about this. The weird part
Speaker 1: is Banks claimed that when she was at the property,
Speaker 1: she heard him trying to find investors, so despite saying
Speaker 1: his funding was already secured, she heard him absolutely scrambling.
Speaker 1: She also watched Grimes molly coddling him, you know, like
Speaker 1: trying to that Drim. Yeah, except I think they'd been
Speaker 1: on a bender. I think that a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: had gone down together, they'd gone into hiding. He'd done
Speaker 1: this tweet. Now he's gotten in trouble for market manipulation
Speaker 1: because people took this as gospel. People took this as
Speaker 1: like financial advice, and or everyone that had shares in
Speaker 1: Tesla had to make a decision about what they want to.
Speaker 2: Do about that. The thing that makes this whole story
Speaker 2: so weird is that as Elie Banks had stayed at
Speaker 2: his house, and then Elon Musk turns around and says
Speaker 2: that he's never ever met as Elia Banks, So who
Speaker 2: was lying? Why would you make it up?
Speaker 1: And for her to make up a story saying I
Speaker 1: heard him scrambling for investors. He does not have investors, Like,
Speaker 1: that's not something you would make up.
Speaker 2: That's not a story to make up.
Speaker 1: And of course he's going to say he's never met
Speaker 1: up because that's his out. He's like, oh, she's I've
Speaker 1: never met I don't know who she is.
Speaker 2: The whole thing is weird.
Speaker 1: So things do start to slightly unravel for Elon Musk now,
Speaker 1: because do you remember in twenty eighteen this was absolutely huge.
Speaker 1: Remember the twelve boys in their football coach in Thailand
Speaker 1: that got trapped in the cave. It was his race
Speaker 1: against time to save them before the tide comes up,
Speaker 1: but they all drew. It was it was horrific. But
Speaker 1: you might remember that Elon Musk publicly said I will
Speaker 1: give you my SpaceX experimental submarine to save them.
Speaker 2: That's what he said. The authorities declined.
Speaker 1: Because they were like, great, that you have it, we
Speaker 1: get it. You're rich, you've got submarine. But right now
Speaker 1: the twelve boys lives are at risk. And that is
Speaker 1: stupid because he was, I guess publicly declined.
Speaker 2: He responded by Twitter.
Speaker 1: Again, it seems like that's the only way Elon Musk
Speaker 1: can communicate Twitter with a video of the submarine and
Speaker 1: he said.
Speaker 2: Sorry, pedo guy, you really.
Speaker 1: Asked for it, with no context or proof that this
Speaker 1: guy was a pedophile. So he's just called this guy,
Speaker 1: this man a pedophile just because his ego took a
Speaker 1: hit because they were like, we don't want you submarine.
Speaker 2: I remember this tweet and then I remember the rest
Speaker 2: of it, which was like trust me, he is a pedophile,
Speaker 2: Like I don't need proof kind of thing. This went on.
Speaker 1: There was more to this, but my point of this
Speaker 1: is like we're starting to see a different Elon Musk.
Speaker 1: We're starting to see some really really strange, mean, manipulative
Speaker 1: behavior that we hadn't yet seen. We've always just known
Speaker 1: him as a bit of an intellectual, a philanthropist, somebody
Speaker 1: that we're like, well, we're loving everything he's doing.
Speaker 2: It's so futuristic.
Speaker 1: But now we're little bits of the real Elon Maskers.
Speaker 2: Creaking through the cracks. Well. I also think if it's
Speaker 2: because like the more that he's become social facing famous,
Speaker 2: and the bigger his Twitter following has amassed, and now
Speaker 2: that he is this incredible like behemoth on Twitter literally
Speaker 2: owns the thing that we've become more conscious of the
Speaker 2: stuff that he's posting. I don't think that it was necessary,
Speaker 2: that it wasn't he wasn't doing it before. But like
Speaker 2: the accountability around it has become greater and greater. Well,
Speaker 2: they get weirder. Just when throw yourselves in baby here
Speaker 2: we come.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just if all of this wasn't enough, this the
Speaker 1: pedophile calling, the Azilia banks saga, the being charged, remark
Speaker 1: and manipulation.
Speaker 2: They have a baby.
Speaker 1: Elon Musk and Grimes have a baby.
Speaker 2: Do you know what they call it? X y Z
Speaker 2: potato tomato forty two times seventy four by the power
Speaker 2: of pie. You got it. Literally, not one person in
Speaker 2: the world knows what that baby's name is, nue I,
Speaker 2: not even the baby, not what that baby's name is.
Speaker 2: X ash A twelve.
Speaker 1: Now I'm going to call it x Sasha twelve because
Speaker 1: I think he's trying to make it, but it's x
Speaker 1: ash A twelve. But I would call myself probably just
Speaker 1: like ash or x or twelve twelve.
Speaker 2: So bad he's sleeping. I'm sorry, I just need to
Speaker 2: finalize the naming form. Have you decided on a name we.
Speaker 1: Have we're going to call him.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, could you repeat that? Of course his name
Speaker 2: is and is that with A or A?
Speaker 1: No, it's spelt with an X a dash twelve.
Speaker 2: Oh, I see it's lovely.
Speaker 1: Now. I know you think that the name is very,
Speaker 1: very strange, but once it's fine, once you hear the
Speaker 1: reason behind it. I'd like to say it all makes sense,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't. But it does have some meaning. But
Speaker 1: it's not like Musk's grandmother's name. That's not the kind
Speaker 1: of meaning we're talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, like when you say meaning, like most people
Speaker 2: are like Laura it means flowers in Spanish or something.
Speaker 2: Brittany means the sound of the wind. Who bloody knows?
Speaker 2: Like the names always like have like a nice meaning
Speaker 2: behind it. And I'm gonna guess this isn't your fay
Speaker 2: your face that is that's definitely not named after his grand.
Speaker 1: X is the unknown variable in algebralgebra. The AE symbol
Speaker 1: is her Elvin spelling of AI, which she explains as
Speaker 1: love and.
Speaker 2: Or artificial intelligence. Now Elvin is like a little it's
Speaker 2: like a like an elf, like a cool elf. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because she that's.
Speaker 1: How she, I guess, sees herself and she attaches to that.
Speaker 1: So we've got algebra, We've got elf. The eight twelve
Speaker 1: is the precursor to the SR seventeen, which is their
Speaker 1: favorite aircraft because it has no weapons, no defenses, just speed.
Speaker 1: Great in battle, but non violent. So they're named after
Speaker 1: an algebra studying elf that flies a non violent plane.
Speaker 2: Is going to be unpredictable, full of love, and very fast,
Speaker 2: is what they're saying. That's all I'm getting.
Speaker 1: The kid is so confused, Like I just told you
Speaker 1: what the name was.
Speaker 2: I couldn't even tell you again. I just talked, well,
Speaker 2: like we were done. Yeah, let's not circle back. What
Speaker 2: about when he's on Tinder one day? It was gonna
Speaker 2: be like going on, this child will own Tinder.
Speaker 1: After this, we start to see a little bit of
Speaker 1: a difference in their relationship. He starts to tweet things
Speaker 1: that he knows are going to anger or offend Grimes.
Speaker 1: So Grimes hasn't publicly asserted pronouns, but she has said
Speaker 1: that she wishes she didn't have to be classified as
Speaker 1: female constantly. She's very fluid, she's artistic, and she's just
Speaker 1: ever evolving. She just wants to live her best life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's like very accepting and very like progressive
Speaker 2: in terms of how she sees gender identity and the
Speaker 2: conversations around like labels, and he is the complete opposite.
Speaker 1: Imagine knowing that you have told your partner, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say husband because I didn't get married, but you've
Speaker 1: told your partner that you don't really like pronouns and
Speaker 1: you're very fluid. And then he knows this about you,
Speaker 1: but he goes and publicly tweets pronouns suck.
Speaker 2: That's what he wrote.
Speaker 1: Take the Red Pill, which is like an obscure reference
Speaker 1: to the matrix.
Speaker 2: When someone takes the red Pill, it's like they're back
Speaker 2: into reality, Like they're like facing what is real verse
Speaker 2: like this delusional or like created environment that well it's
Speaker 2: been it's a bit of a rallying cry.
Speaker 1: Now, like take the red pillars of reference that is
Speaker 1: associated with men's rights organizations. So at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, he's tweeting things that are very men's rights
Speaker 1: and he's saying pronouns suck. When Grimes is like, I
Speaker 1: don't like pronouns.
Speaker 2: So is it then kind of like obviously like LinkedIn
Speaker 2: to like misogyny and he.
Speaker 1: Knows it's offensive to it. That's what he's doing. It's
Speaker 1: almost like he's trying.
Speaker 2: To poke the bear.
Speaker 1: But then when he tweeted pronouns suck. This is twenty
Speaker 1: twenty and they've got a six month old child. Now,
Speaker 1: Grimes tweeted back, I love you, but please turn off
Speaker 1: your phone or give me a call, which is a
Speaker 1: nice way to be, Like, you are in so much
Speaker 1: trouble when you get home.
Speaker 2: How embarrassing. It's so embarrassing, Like I mean, like that
Speaker 2: stuff can go down when you're not a public figure.
Speaker 2: But like imagine when everybody, like every tabloid, every newspaper,
Speaker 2: every magazine, every journalist is viewing that and then just
Speaker 2: being like, well that that is that's embarrassing.
Speaker 1: But then almost but then also for Grimes to feel
Speaker 1: like she has to publicly tweet these things back instead
Speaker 1: of just having a conversation in private at home, because
Speaker 1: otherwise it looks like you are in alliance with your
Speaker 1: partner's thoughts.
Speaker 2: Yes, she had to tweet back.
Speaker 1: I cannot support hate. Please stop this. I know this
Speaker 1: isn't in your heart.
Speaker 2: Well, because at the end of the day, this is
Speaker 2: contradictory to the public image that she's been putting out
Speaker 2: to the brand that she's been creating for herself to
Speaker 2: all of her followers, and it's also so incredibly disrespectful
Speaker 2: to such a huge group of people who like love Grimes,
Speaker 2: like her supporters, her lovers, and everything else. And then
Speaker 2: if she didn't do that and make a public statement
Speaker 2: exactly what you said, she's then implying that she's okay
Speaker 2: with that, and that she's an extension of his like
Speaker 2: very right winged views.
Speaker 1: But it's almost like he has this history of repeating
Speaker 1: itself in the sense of he gets into these relationships
Speaker 1: and he's very loving and supportive at the start, and
Speaker 1: then his true colors start to seep out after a
Speaker 1: little while, and it's like, you can't control himself.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like such a statement of power as well,
Speaker 2: but it's also really belittling, like it's really putting down,
Speaker 2: Like if you love and respect someone, you're not going
Speaker 2: to go intentionally out of your way to shit on
Speaker 2: something that's important to them. And he's done it, but
Speaker 2: on the most incredibly huge scale and so casually recklessly
Speaker 2: as well. One little tweet bloop. They end up breaking up,
Speaker 2: but then they get back together. Oh yeah, I know
Speaker 2: what you're gonna say, and their relationship does not end
Speaker 2: with like an on again, off again, on again, It
Speaker 2: goes on again, off again, on again, off again, Sorry
Speaker 2: get baby on again, off again.
Speaker 1: Well No. At the end of twenty one, Musk told
Speaker 1: Time that he and Grimes had semi separated. Okay, he says,
Speaker 1: it's over, But a Vanity Fair journalist went to grimes
Speaker 1: place for a feature and they knew that X wasn't
Speaker 1: in the house. That X is the child's name, that's
Speaker 1: what they call him, for sure, So they knew that
Speaker 1: there was no baby in the house. They've gone for
Speaker 1: the interview, they've heard a baby crying in the background.
Speaker 1: And it turned out that even though they've just broken up,
Speaker 1: Grimes and Musk have had a second child.
Speaker 2: They're not pregnant. They've had it.
Speaker 1: It's there, it's alive, it's breathing, it's crying. They had
Speaker 1: a little girl by surrogacy. Her name is ex A
Speaker 1: Dark I'm gonna butcher this exit dark side Rail Musk.
Speaker 1: But it's it's pronounced deial. Yeah, it's pronounced sidurial. But
Speaker 1: when you read it, you think her name is side Rail.
Speaker 1: But it's Sadarial, which she's nicknamed why so now they've
Speaker 1: got two kids nicknamed X and Y.
Speaker 2: They had it by a sarrogacy. It is all very
Speaker 2: very weird. If you have just had a secret surrogate
Speaker 2: baby and then you've got someone coming to your house
Speaker 2: to do an interview, don't you think you would either
Speaker 2: acknowledge that there is a surrogate baby there and not
Speaker 2: just bring it up when the journalist is like, oh,
Speaker 2: there's a baby here. Whose baby is that?
Speaker 1: I just want we add well, the journalist is like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: whoa whoa?
Speaker 2: Are you and Musk still together? Like what's happening? Grimes replied,
Speaker 2: there's no real word for it.
Speaker 1: I would probably refer to him as my boyfriend.
Speaker 2: But we're very fluid.
Speaker 1: We live in separate houses, we're best friends, we see
Speaker 1: each other all the time. We just have our own
Speaker 1: things going on, and I don't expect other people to
Speaker 1: understand it. So still no one actually knows the answer.
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, what are you?
Speaker 2: Best friends? Are your boyfriend and girlfriend?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 2: What are you? Do?
Speaker 1: You know? What?
Speaker 2: Though? I think like that is actually the most perfect answer.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're doing a whole podcast series on how
Speaker 2: we have the right to know every in and out
Speaker 2: detail of these celebrities lives. But like we have been
Speaker 2: brought up in a very like monogamous structured society where
Speaker 2: like one type of relationship is what makes sense to us,
Speaker 2: and then there's all these people that live like quite
Speaker 2: different lives and have quite different choices that seem weird
Speaker 2: to us, Like we're so judging in the way that
Speaker 2: we talk about it, and like they clearly just have
Speaker 2: something that's very unique that works for them, and it
Speaker 2: must get fucking exhausting trying to explain, hey, this works
Speaker 2: for us and this is our relationship when everyone doesn't
Speaker 2: really have the right to have a looking glass into
Speaker 2: their into their whole lives. And that's exactly right.
Speaker 1: We know better than ever that there's no right and
Speaker 1: wrong and one way only in relationship or normal.
Speaker 2: Let's no, it's whatever works.
Speaker 1: And they're as far from normal as you could possibly imagine,
Speaker 1: but it's whatever works. It works for them. At the
Speaker 1: end of the day, he is the dad to her children.
Speaker 1: Whatever works for them, We're happy for them. We can
Speaker 1: still say the whole thing is a bit strange. I
Speaker 1: can report now they are definitely over They have moved on,
Speaker 1: they had their two children. He's actually reportedly dating a
Speaker 1: twenty seven year old Australian actress, Natasha Bassett. Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: seen them. I saw her getting out of his jet
Speaker 1: and not in real life in the tabloids. She's very beautiful.
Speaker 2: When Britt's like, I can confirm she didn't actually have
Speaker 2: a sit down interview with him on mass Surprise Surprise, No.
Speaker 1: And Grimes has moved on too, and interestingly, she's dating
Speaker 1: the former WikiLeaks whistleblower Chelsea Manning. Now that's the former
Speaker 1: US intelligence that was jailed for their role in the
Speaker 1: Wiki leaks.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember that. Yeah, at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, they're happy. They've moved on. Mask
Speaker 2: is buying Twitter, Grimes is in love and I don't
Speaker 2: know if she'll have more babies.
Speaker 1: But I think that it was a very very interesting
Speaker 1: couple of years watching that relationship evolve and I'm excited.
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