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Speaker 1: Jazy and Amanda jam Nation. Our next guest is Colonel

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Speaker 1: Chris Hadfield, acclaimed astronaut test pilot, space Walker, spaceship commander.

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Speaker 1: He's done so much and he charmed the world when

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Speaker 1: he's sang this song in space is.

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Speaker 3: Crowd control to me. Time You've really made the g.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 1: Love it well. Chris is heading back to Australia and

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Speaker 1: we're thrilled to have him with us.

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Speaker 3: Now. Hello, Chris, how are you Hello? I'm doing great,

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Speaker 3: Thank you and thanks for playing that song and it's

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Speaker 3: nice to be chatting with you both.

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Speaker 2: Do you get some sort of royalty out of that?

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Speaker 2: I suppose it goes to David Bowie's estate. Did you

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Speaker 2: get a performer a bit of a performer.

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Speaker 3: Slice in truth that song? David Bowie last control of

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Speaker 3: it legally, and so the money goes to a law firm. Actually,

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Speaker 3: and I don't get a royalty, but you know that's

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Speaker 3: just how it goes, even for as successful and vollume

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Speaker 3: a musicians.

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Speaker 2: As long as a lawyer is getting the money. Christ

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Speaker 2: that's good.

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Speaker 1: So much to talk about at the moment. In terms

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Speaker 1: of space, let's talk about well, the most obvious one,

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Speaker 1: Katie Perry, Gal King, etcetera heading into space and being

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Speaker 1: called astronauts. Was it fair that the world reacted strangely

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Speaker 1: to that and thought that doesn't feel right? Was it fair?

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Speaker 3: I don't know who it's fair too. It doesn't really

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Speaker 3: worry me at all. I mean, when when the Wright

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Speaker 3: brothers saw the very first airliners starting to fly and

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Speaker 3: taking wealthy passengers for rides, I don't think they were

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Speaker 3: bad about it or chagrined. They could easily see the

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Speaker 3: difference between a pilot and a passenger, and they're both.

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Speaker 3: What's the they're both air travelers, they're both maybe even aviators.

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Speaker 3: When you fly on quantus, are you an ava? Sorta?

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Speaker 3: So if you fly on board a spaceship as a passenger,

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Speaker 3: are you an astronaut? Yeah? Sort of. I mean it's

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Speaker 3: just a word. I'm not too worried about it. But

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Speaker 3: it was just kind of fun to watch, and they

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Speaker 3: sure made the most of the moment and it was just,

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Speaker 3: you know, a flash in the pan entertainment. Meanwhile, friends

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Speaker 3: of mine are living and working on the space station,

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Speaker 3: and two women did a long, arduous spacewalk nut for

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Speaker 3: in American history is a woman. So I'm not too

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Speaker 3: worried about some folks posing and going for a ride.

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Speaker 3: It's just kind of entertaining.

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Speaker 2: And you spend a bit of time and space when

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Speaker 2: you came back. What sort of adverse effects? What did

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Speaker 2: you feel when you came back to Earth's gravity.

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Speaker 3: It's proportionate to how long you spent. They only spent

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Speaker 3: about three minutes up there, and so virtually no adverse

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Speaker 3: effects at all. Maybe a little nausea. But I spent

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Speaker 3: six months, and there's a huge readaptation of the body.

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Speaker 3: You lose muscle, fiber, your your balance system shuts down,

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Speaker 3: your heart shrinks, you lose bone, you get osteoporosis. I

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Speaker 3: lost about eight percent of the bone and my hip

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Speaker 3: amount of time for each of those things to readapt

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Speaker 3: to Earth when I got back. The longest one was

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Speaker 3: my skeleton, and that's about three to one. So if

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Speaker 3: you spend six months in space, it took about eighteen

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Speaker 3: months to get my moone density back up. So, but

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Speaker 3: it was worth every second of it.

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Speaker 1: It sounds well Sunni and Butch spent nine months up there.

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Speaker 1: They didn't expect to be in the space station for

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Speaker 1: that long psychologically, did you? How would that have been

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Speaker 1: for them to hear your journey is being extended. That's

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Speaker 1: a head game, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But they were completely ready for it. And I

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Speaker 3: think the worst head game would have been if they

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Speaker 3: had taken the enormous risk of flying a brand new

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Speaker 3: rocket that no human being had ever flown before, and

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Speaker 3: then a spaceship built by Bowing that no human being

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Speaker 3: And so to fly all the way up and successfully

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Speaker 3: week and then come back, what a travesty of trade

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Speaker 3: off of risk. The best thing that could have happened

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Speaker 3: for them did, which was, Hey, we're not just going

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Speaker 3: which is what astronauts trained for and dream of, you know,

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Speaker 3: was the greatest reward for them both and they were

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Speaker 3: super productive. They made the space station more productive. Sonny

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Speaker 3: So they were never stranded, There was never a second

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Speaker 3: There was all sorts of political and uninformed posturing about it,

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Speaker 3: astronauts do for a living, and it's just kind of

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Speaker 3: funny sometimes to see how it gets misrepresented by folks

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of cynicism around the billionaires who are

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Speaker 1: funding these flights at the moment. But is that the

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Speaker 1: only way we'll be able to explore space now NASA

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Speaker 1: can't afford it on its own. Is it right that

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Speaker 1: we hitch rides with the billionaires.

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Speaker 3: Well, cynicism is the easiest of all positions to take

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Speaker 3: because it allows you to do no work and express

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Speaker 3: an opinion. So it's fine be a cynic but actually

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Speaker 3: try and go to space. That's hard, and that takes

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Speaker 3: a lifetime of work. So I listened far more to

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Speaker 3: You used to have to be a trillionaire to fly

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Speaker 3: in space because the technology was so bad and so early.

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Speaker 3: You had to be the United States or the Soviet Union.

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Speaker 3: No one else could pass afford it. But because so

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Speaker 3: many astronauts were willing to take risks and a bunch

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Speaker 3: of them died, we now have invented and improved the

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Speaker 3: technology so good that now a private citizen can fly

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Speaker 3: in space for the cost of a luxury car. And

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Speaker 3: there's still a lot of money, you know, a true

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Speaker 3: luxury car is a lot of money. But look around

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Speaker 3: Sydney or Melbourne or whatever. There's a lot of luxury

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Speaker 3: cars driving around, you know. So that's pretty incredible. And

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Speaker 3: the fact that wealthy people run huge companies is nothing new.

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Speaker 3: It's really complicated to fly in space. And Jeff Bezos

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Speaker 3: form Blue Origin in nineteen ninety seven, I think, and

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Speaker 3: he's only put one rocket in space, like in orbit.

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Speaker 3: He's put some sub orbital ones but only one rocket

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Speaker 3: billions and billions of his own money into it, and

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Speaker 3: he's made zero profit. And Elon Musk started space twenty

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Speaker 3: and he put billions of his own money into it,

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Speaker 3: but he found ways to have people buy his product

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Speaker 3: way earlier, so that now he actually leads the world

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Speaker 3: and launch technology and is pulling away from all the competition,

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Speaker 3: and very shortly, just in a couple of days, he's

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Speaker 3: launching the starship again. We should radically change access to space.

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Speaker 3: I don't excuse either of those men for the bad

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Speaker 3: things they do. They aren't hugely imperfect human beings. But

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Speaker 3: at the same time, some of the things that are

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Speaker 3: happening in the world are pretty amazing here as well.

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Speaker 3: And I think it's important to keep perspective and make

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Speaker 3: your own judgment and not just you know, be a cynic.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, well, we're dying to see you back in Australia.

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Speaker 1: When you're on a long haul flight, you just sit

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Speaker 1: there and go hard fifty hours. Come on, say it up.

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Speaker 3: I feel that way on a spaceship crossing the Pacific

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Speaker 3: it's it takes forty five minutes across. Come on, it's

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Speaker 3: just could we possibly get to shore?

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Speaker 2: Please? But oh, Chris, it's so great to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: Chris Hadfield's Guide to the Cosmos head to Faine dot

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Speaker 2: com dot are you Chris? So great to chat to you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for joining.

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Speaker 3: Us my pleasure. I'm really looking forward to being in

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Speaker 3: a bunch of different cities across Australia in late June

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Speaker 3: and early July. I hope to see folks there.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Chris, Good on you mate,