1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: We are going to talk about the Casuarina Coastal Reserve. 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: And joining us on the line right now is the 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: Minister for Parks and Rangers, Selena Ubo. Good morning to you, Minister. 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, and good morning to your listeners. 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: Now, Minister, before I get into the changes for the 6 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: Casuarina Coastal Reserve, I do want to ask you overnight, 7 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 1: and I know I believe you're coming to us this 8 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 1: morning from Catherine. Police are on the hunt for three 9 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: offenders after a service station break in in Catherine overnight. 10 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: Three people used rocks to smash their way into an 11 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 1: OTR service station in town at about one point forty 12 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: this morning. Once inside, the trio began stealing food items 13 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: and cigarettes before fleeing the scene. It's reported that a 14 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: worker inside at the time managed to lock themselves away 15 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: during that break in. Obviously, those investigations are ongoing, Minister. 16 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: It just seems never ending, these terrible incidents that we're 17 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: hearing about with crime. 18 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 2: Katie. I'm very concerned obviously to hear that incident has 19 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 2: occurred just early this morning here in Catherine. So our 20 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: police do a great job in making sure that they 21 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: do bring any alleged defenders to account and tracking them down. 22 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 2: So and of course my thoughts are with that worker 23 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 2: who was obviously put in an unsafe position in their workplace, 24 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 2: and that should never happen to Territorians. 25 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: It's a horrendous situation for that worker to be in. 26 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: And I don't have a lot further detail at this 27 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: point in time, but I mean it adds to the 28 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: list of another incident that we were talking about this morning, 29 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: where we had received calls on the show yesterday about 30 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: an alleged carjacking. We then find out that on Monday 31 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: night there was a sequence of criminal events unfolding across 32 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: the Northern suburbs. It resulted in the arrest of four youths. 33 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: But essentially what had happened is somebody is striving in 34 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: their vehicle. There is a bike placed in the middle 35 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: of the road. The gentleman, I believe gentlemen got out 36 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: of that vehicle, the good Samaritan to move the bike. 37 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: While he gets out to move the bike, he was 38 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: ambushed by this group. They had a machete, one of 39 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: them was eleven years old, and they've then stolen the car. 40 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, those type of stories absolutely horrific and traumatic 41 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 2: for anyone involved, and of course the police do do 42 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 2: exceptional amount of work to bring any of those alleged 43 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: defenders to account and then to be seen their way 44 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: through the justice system. So we know that Territorians are 45 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 2: sick and fed up of any type of violence or 46 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: incidents in their communities, and that's whether it's in an 47 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 2: urban area or a remote area. We don't want to 48 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: see that type of thing here in the territory and 49 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 2: stamping that out is absolutely a huge part of what 50 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 2: we'll do as our continue to do as a territory 51 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 2: labor government, but also supporting police to make sure they've 52 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 2: got the tools to do what they do best. 53 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: I mean, you touched on the fact that the police 54 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: have done their job. They've obviously apprehended those individuals, and 55 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: you're spot on, they sure have. I mean, the kicker 56 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,239 Speaker 1: is here though. One of those kids is eleven years old. 57 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: That eleven year old just taken straight back to a 58 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: responsible adult. I mean, can you see how people in 59 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: the community just feel like the government's letting them down. 60 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, I think involving anything to do with youth justice, 61 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 2: it isn't as simple as just saying that oh, they're 62 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 2: going back to a responsible adult. There are mechanisms and 63 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 2: processes to ensure that because that young person, if they 64 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 2: are eleven years old, that they will still face consequences 65 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: and that's a process again that's being driven through some 66 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: of the review undertakings that we've got for the Youth 67 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: Justice Act, which the Chief Minister announced just recently, to 68 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: make sure that we have a contemporary and modernized Youth 69 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: Justice Act, that we are meeting the needs as a 70 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 2: government of the expectations of the community, and that we 71 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 2: do consider continue to see consequences for young people and 72 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 2: that they dealt with in a way that will provide 73 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 2: a process and a pathway out of youth justice. 74 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: Look, I'm very conscious that this is not your portfolio. 75 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: I'm very conscious of that, and we did ask to 76 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: have nari Ar Kit on the show at some point 77 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: this week as well, so you know, some of those 78 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: questions I definitely would love to have answered. But do 79 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: you feel as though the government's response to crime at 80 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: the moment is in line with the community's expectations. 81 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: Well, Katie, there's multi pronged approach around justice and particularly 82 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 2: around crime that we are seeing and experiencing here in 83 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 2: the territory. Territory is not immune to crime. We're seeing 84 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 2: that happen all over the country. I think here in 85 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: terms of where we can get the best impact of 86 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 2: seeing change and seeing a positive way forward is because 87 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 2: we have some great local solutions from community, from organizations, 88 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 2: from groups that are really invested into making sure that 89 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 2: the community is safe. But there are pathway out of 90 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 2: justice for either adults or young people, Katie, So, I 91 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 2: think that's where we have the benefit here in the territories. 92 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 2: We have some really exceptional organizations and individuals who are 93 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 2: really fighting for providing different pathways when it does come 94 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 2: to the justice space, particularly the youth justice space. Yeah. 95 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: Look, I'm not sure that the community is going to 96 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: be in a lot of agreement with you this morning, 97 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: but I am going to move along because we did 98 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: get you on the show to speak to you about 99 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: the Casuarina Coastal Reserve. It is set to become the 100 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: Northern Territory's newest national park in a bid to protect 101 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: the area from development. Now, the reserve is to be 102 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: expanded to include a thirty four hectare lot of the 103 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: dry monsoonal rainforest. Now tell me why did the government 104 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: decide to do this? 105 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 2: So, Katie, this is a body of work that has 106 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 2: been many years in the making, so it's pretty exciting. 107 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 2: We haven't had a new National park in the Northern 108 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 2: Territory for eight years, so the body of work that's 109 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: been undertaken was around obviously land, so as you've mentioned, 110 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 2: there'd be an increase in the actual reserve footprint which 111 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 2: is thirty four hectares. That's a piece of land that 112 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 2: has come across from Australian Defense Force which would be 113 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 2: integrated into the reserve piece, hence the proposal for a 114 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: declared National park. But it's around recognizing the community values 115 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 2: of that particular area and the territory. Katie. We know 116 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 2: that has you in. A coastal reserve is one of 117 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 2: the most popular reserves out of the Northern Territory, which 118 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 2: is obviously a large population and Dianna Parmesan do access 119 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 2: that reserve, but it also has a higher level of 120 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 2: laura and fauna value as well, So how do we 121 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 2: protect that for future generations and the process to become 122 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 2: a declared National park is what we're in the process 123 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,679 Speaker 2: of doing, which we've recently announced, which is pretty exciting, 124 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 2: but it means that there's a component of public consultation 125 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 2: that you'd love to hear from the community about their values, 126 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 2: what they love about the reserve and what they'd like 127 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 2: to see included in a national park. 128 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: Is it going to have any bearing on the Lee 129 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: Point development? 130 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 2: That section is a separate area of land, and through 131 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 2: that public consultation, there are some maps, Kadie that you 132 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 2: can see quite clearly where the proposed national park boundaries 133 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 2: would be. But that also includes that new section that 134 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 2: we mentioned, the thirty four hectares, which has a high 135 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: conservation value at the moment. 136 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. Right, so it doesn't actually include that area where 137 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: Lee Point is though, where the development was. 138 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a different area. Yeah. 139 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: Hey, what are the endangered species that it's sort of 140 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: aiming to protect? 141 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's retten great having the Parks and Ranges 142 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 2: portfolio again, but particularly in understanding some of the conservation 143 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 2: value for Casuari in a coastal reserve. So the Atlas moth, 144 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: which is you know, one of those giant moths, is 145 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 2: found quite prevalent in that area, and also the black 146 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 2: footed tree rat. People who may have visited the Territory 147 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 2: Wildlife Park. You probably have seen those blackfooted tree rats 148 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 2: out with some of the parks ranges. They're close up, 149 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 2: but they're naturally in that area in the Casual Coastal Reserve. 150 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 2: So great little species to be able to protect, and 151 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 2: of course you know in terms of the ecological footprint, 152 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 2: there have their jobs to do in the environment, so 153 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 2: be wonderful to see that preserve through that national park process. 154 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: Minister. One of the biggest questions we are getting about 155 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: this is our territori ins and visitors likely to get 156 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: hit with fees to access the site once it does 157 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: become a national park. 158 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 2: No, Katie, So fees are not charged for anyone who 159 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 2: are using our beautiful recreational parks and reserve, so that 160 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 2: can be something people don't need to worry about. 161 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: Well, that is good to hear. I'm sure they'll be 162 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: pleased to hear that. Now you did mention that consultation process, 163 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: how locals to get involved in that? 164 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, Katie. On the Territory government's website we have 165 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 2: the have your Say portal. The public consultation period is 166 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 2: sixty days six zero so that will close on the 167 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 2: twenty second of April. This year, So really keen to 168 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 2: get community input into what people want to see. What 169 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 2: are their values of the reserve, how are they using 170 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 2: it now? What would they like to see continued as 171 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 2: a possibility under the coastal excuse me, under the declaration 172 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 2: of a national park. One of the areas I'm conscious 173 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 2: of a lot of people walk their dogs on the 174 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 2: reserve and making sure people put that in as a 175 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 2: value of people also go horse riding on the beach 176 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 2: their Casuarina, So making sure that people have an input 177 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 2: into how do they value the reserve, how would they 178 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 2: want to see it continued to be used and the 179 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 2: protection obviously, and conscious of the territory lifestyle that people 180 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 2: really love and enjoy, and that being one of the 181 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 2: highest use areas in the whole of the territory in 182 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 2: terms of that reserve, making sure that we get that 183 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 2: really good spread of input into what people would like 184 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 2: to see through that declaration of a national park. 185 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, I've got questions coming through already. Hey, Katie, 186 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: is it going to mean that there's no dogs on 187 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: the Casarina beach? 188 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 2: So let's again please put your consultation through that, have 189 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 2: your say, because what will ultimately happen, Katie, is that 190 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 2: there will be a plan of management that is determined 191 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:36,239 Speaker 2: and that'll be based on community feedback of what community 192 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 2: values are placed on the reserve and the future national park. 193 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 2: So you love walking your dog or riding your horse 194 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 2: in that area, please put that through the consultation process 195 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 2: so that can be built into the plan of management. 196 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 1: One of the other quick questions, will there be fees 197 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: for hikes, camping, riding a mountain bike, nothing like. 198 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:58,599 Speaker 2: That, Not at this stage, Katie. Obviously it's not a 199 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 2: National park and declaration yet, but it's an area that 200 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 2: we've seen some of our other national parks have almost 201 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 2: you know, a commercial product that's attached to that park, 202 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 2: and that would be all built in through that consultation. 203 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 2: So if there's questions or there's ideas, please put that 204 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 2: through through the community consultation so we can build that 205 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 2: all through the plan of management. 206 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I reckon, you know, there are a lot 207 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: of young people that actually well young and old every 208 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: age group that go mountain biking and that go you know, 209 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: do some trail running, all that kind of thing through 210 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: that area. So I reckon if there were fees attached 211 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: to it for locals that end up pretty upsets. 212 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Katie, I'll take look National Park which is 213 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 2: one of our beautiful parks here in the territory. It's 214 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 2: a joint managed park with Jao and traditional owners. So 215 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 2: there's walking fees for example, into the Japelood Trail, which 216 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 2: are many people many territories would have walked and lots 217 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 2: of visitors come to the territory to walk. There is 218 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 2: a fee attached to that walking trail, but there are 219 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 2: other areas of walking trails in Nitmok National Park which 220 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 2: are not costed. They're free to be able to walk. 221 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: There's swimming holes that you can access, but there's also 222 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 2: other products in the park. Mountain biking is available that 223 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 2: is not charged at a fee in Niitmolok National Park. 224 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,479 Speaker 2: So just looking at some of the other park examples 225 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 2: where territories don't have to be worried that as soon 226 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 2: as it becomes a national park that there's fees attached. 227 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 2: Lichfield National Park as well as another example. There's a 228 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 2: lot of free trails. There's a lot of free activities 229 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 2: in Litchfield National Park, but there's also some products such 230 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 2: as camping fees. There there's also some products that are 231 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 2: costed as well. So it's not reinventing the wheel at all, 232 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 2: but it's also creating the opportunity for what may happen 233 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 2: in the future. Is there going to be a walk 234 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 2: like a japla trail, Maybe maybe not, but that will 235 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 2: all be built into that plan management and the ideas 236 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 2: that come from the community. 237 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: Well, Minister for Parks and Rangers, Selena Ubo, really appreciate 238 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: your time this morning. Thank you for having a chat. 239 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 2: With us, Thank you Katie, and thanks for listeners. Thank you.