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Speaker 1: This episode is brought to you by our partners at

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Speaker 1: Workplace Law. Welcome to The Female Athlete Project Season two.

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Speaker 1: My name is Chloe Dalton. I'm an Olympic gold medalist

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Speaker 1: in rugby sevens and I'm now playing for the GWS

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Speaker 1: Giants in the AFLW. I started TFAT to share the

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Speaker 1: stories of incredible female athletes and to address the gender

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Speaker 1: inequalities that exist within the sports media space. We want

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Speaker 1: to change that story and we're all about making news

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Speaker 1: and highlights of women's sport easily accessible across our platforms.

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Speaker 1: Our hope is that more female athletes will become household

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Speaker 1: names and in turn enable the next generation of young

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Speaker 1: kids to pick up a ball, racket, backboard, whatever they

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Speaker 1: want to pick. Sabrina Frederick is a force on and

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Speaker 1: off the AFLW field. She's a fierce competitor and a

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Speaker 1: ruthless fighter, skills that she picked up as a kid

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Speaker 1: in country Western Australia after moving across the world with

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Speaker 1: her family from Brighton, England at just seven years old,

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Speaker 1: but she found her place on the footy field playing

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Speaker 1: with the boys before joining a women's team at the

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Speaker 1: tender age of fourteen. Fast forward a few years and

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Speaker 1: Frederick was one of the inaugural marquee signings for the

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Speaker 1: Brisbane Lions in season one of AFLW. That season saw

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Speaker 1: her names an AFLW Rising Star and in the All

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Speaker 1: Australian team, a move to Melbourne to play for Richmond

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, and a win on the popular reality

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Speaker 1: show Sas. Australia has seen Frederick's profile grow and she's

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Speaker 1: really passionate about using that profile to help others who

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Speaker 1: face adversity and experience inequality. Sabrina is about to start

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Speaker 1: AFLW season six with Collingwood, a new start, a new

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Speaker 1: club and a new challenge. It was really special having

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Speaker 1: the chance to sit down and chat with Sabrina. I

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Speaker 1: hope you enjoy it. Sabrina Frederick, Welcome to the Female

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: I've actually been watching this for a while and watching

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Speaker 3: what you've been doing, so I'm actually really excited.

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Speaker 1: To be here. Thank you. It's really cool to have

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Speaker 1: you in and nice to do it in person as well,

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Speaker 1: like I've done a few over Zoom lately, so it's

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Speaker 1: just really nice to actually see your face and see

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Speaker 1: your reactions in real time.

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Speaker 2: Trying to wait for the response.

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Speaker 1: Like you're gonna laugh at my joke? Okay, that seems

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Speaker 1: to happen affair bit lately. Yeah. So we set up

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Speaker 1: in a studio in Melbourne, which is quite nice, got

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Speaker 1: all the bells and whistles as we were just saying before starting,

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Speaker 1: you've recently started training for a marathon. I want to

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Speaker 1: hear about this. Where did this start?

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Speaker 3: I think I was one of those people a couple

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Speaker 3: of years ago that I just couldn't understand why people

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Speaker 1: And still that person.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, And I think it sort of came

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Speaker 3: about with lockdowns happening and wanting to challenge myself. And

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Speaker 3: last year I had in preparation for Essays Australia, I

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Speaker 3: I wanted something else to focus on other than football

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Speaker 3: me it was sort of thinking should I do something

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Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, all right, we're doing it. We're doing

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Speaker 3: he showed me a plan and I was like, you

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Speaker 3: know what, let's do this. Like it's it seems like

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Speaker 3: The most i'd ran so consecutively probably would have been

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Speaker 3: And it was weird because I always envisioned myself doing

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Speaker 3: Because I was trying to push for time that day. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I want to take it back and go back and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, born in the UK. A lot of people think

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Speaker 2: Born in the UK. Moved to Perth when I was seven.

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Speaker 3: I've always been a sporty kid, like every sport under

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Speaker 1: Did a good job condensing that that I want to

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Speaker 3: Weird because we never really had that conversation about like

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Speaker 2: And I say this to everyone.

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Speaker 3: Me and my siblings have this running joke that like

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Speaker 3: so yeah, thanks mum, but it's it's it was crazy

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Speaker 3: Many people, people that were quite closed minded, and yeah,

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Speaker 3: So I think as much as I could have gone

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Speaker 1: I like that idea because we get even like through

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and if you can, if you can

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Speaker 3: You know, if you're in comparison to any other sport

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Speaker 3: become so simple and you make decisions based on.

444
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 2: What works for you.

445
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 3: And in my history of pushing myself to do things

446
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 3: that are very out there, I've never turned around and

447
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 3: gone that was terrible. I might have gone that probably

448
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 3: wasn't the best thing for me, but I learned so

449
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 3: much from it that I'm going in this direction now,

450
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 3: but I've never ever gone that was absolutely terrible waste

451
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,680
Speaker 3: of my time, because you can always take something out

452
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 3: of something new, just something simple as that wasn't for me.

453
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's still something that you can take from it.

454
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

455
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 3: As much as it can be really uncomfortable at times

456
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 3: with decisions that I put myself through, I've never come

457
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,160
Speaker 3: out on the other side saying that was a waste

458
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 3: of my time.

459
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really like that. Yeah, way to look at it.

460
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: What was that first year like in twenty seventeen, the

461
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: very first year of the AFLW competition. Obviously it took

462
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: a huge stride to get to that point for them

463
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,640
Speaker 1: to set that competition up, but it still was considered

464
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 1: in its infancy. In that stage, I'm sure a lot

465
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 1: of different working pieces and a lot of areas for improvement.

466
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

467
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 1: What was that like for you, your first time being

468
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 1: a semi professional athlete.

469
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say absolute rollercoaster, like the highest of

470
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 3: highers and the lowest of lows, like the highest of

471
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 3: highs in the sense that finally getting to play at

472
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 3: the elite level and being a professional some sort and

473
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 3: playing a sport that your love with your mates and

474
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 3: for us that season. We went through the whole season

475
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 3: undefeated until obviously the Grand Final losing, but that was

476
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 3: such an amazing experience to go through with that group

477
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 3: that we're all, no matter where we came from, we

478
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 3: all love footy so much and we're there living that

479
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 3: same dream, and not just within the team, but with

480
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 3: the whole league and the fans and everyone that's been

481
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 3: a supporter of AFLW.

482
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 2: We were all.

483
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 3: Riding that emotion, like standing there on Grand Final day,

484
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 3: I'll never forget. Like afterwards, we lost and I was

485
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,199
Speaker 3: absolutely shattered, but at the same time, I was like,

486
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 3: this is amazing, Like this is a history history moment

487
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 3: like that you'll never be able to take back. And

488
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 3: that whole year was just ups and downs, and even

489
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 3: though the loads of lows, something as simple as we

490
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 3: were being expected to be for professionals and almost probably

491
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 3: too professional for the amount of time we were given,

492
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 3: and the pressures that came with that, those points were

493
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 3: definitely really, really tough for someone that has never been

494
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 3: an elite environment before, but also balancing life anything else

495
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 3: going on.

496
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 2: It's still the best, best time. I will never forget

497
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 2: that year.

498
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: It's the best time and for a little bit of background,

499
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: I guess for people who don't watch a lot of footy.

500
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: I know lots of our listeners are from Sydney, so

501
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: don't watch footy as much as what Melbourne people do.

502
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 1: Looking at I guess the AFL competition the way that

503
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: it's set up and the way that the contracts are structured.

504
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 1: It's very part time and there's about ten to twelve

505
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: hours a week that you're allowed to train as a team.

506
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 1: But like you said, there's this expectation that you're still

507
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: a professional athlete. And the contracts are six months of

508
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 1: the year, but you're still expected to get there at

509
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: the start of that six month contract ready to go.

510
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: So you can't still got to do it for twelve

511
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 1: months of the year.

512
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 2: Right.

513
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 3: It's funny because people always say to me, like you're

514
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 3: a semi professional.

515
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 2: I always correct them and say, no, I'm not. I'm professional.

516
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 2: I'm expected to be a weapon three hundred and sixty

517
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 2: five days.

518
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 3: I may not get paid for that time. It's I

519
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 3: see as olympians, right, they're training.

520
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 2: For how many long years to compete for that one shot?

521
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 3: Are they full time? Like in a lot of people's minds.

522
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 3: They are because you're preparing that whole time for this competition. Yeah, Okay,

523
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 3: we don't get paid as much as we probably should

524
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 3: for what we do, but we're expected to give our

525
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,719
Speaker 3: whole lives to it, you know, and it is frustrating

526
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 3: at times because you know, we only get a set

527
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 3: amount of hours, but we're still in a high performance environment,

528
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 3: pushing to be our best every single time, with not

529
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 3: much resources around and in the first few years, lots

530
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 3: of moving pieces that people are trying to figure out

531
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 3: how it works.

532
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 2: And still now.

533
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 3: So yeah, I consider myself full time because I don't

534
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 3: just switch off seasons done, like I'm getting myself ready

535
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 3: for the next year.

536
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 2: For me, I'm professional.

537
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 3: I just hope that sometime soon that the resourcing and

538
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 3: the backing behind it can catch up to the amount

539
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 3: that we give.

540
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally. I think that's where there's got to

541
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 1: be an investment that matches. Yeah, that level of commitment

542
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 1: that's year round. Yeah, a lot more than that.

543
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 2: Ten to twelve hours, Yeah, exactly.

544
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. One of the things that I found really interesting

545
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: when I first started playing footy, and I think you

546
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: talked to before about the highs and the lows and

547
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: kind of that rollercoaster thing. I think for me, the

548
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: massive high, particularly about playing in Melbourne was being surrounded

549
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: by people that were just obsessed with foe like footy

550
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: was life. I was like, this is sick Like to

551
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: be a part of this is really special, Like I

552
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,959
Speaker 1: had ever experienced anything like that. But then looking at

553
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 1: it from I guess one of the lows was I

554
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 1: found the commentary around women's footy full on. Yeah, some

555
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 1: of the comments that I would read consistently on social

556
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: media and a lot of it was a comparison to

557
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: the men's game. Yeah, what is your take on those

558
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: kind of comments?

559
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I agree with you.

560
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 3: Like I spent three years in Brisbane where the same thing,

561
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 3: like there wasn't much support around football, and then being

562
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 3: thrown into the Melbourne scene and everyone knows.

563
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 2: Who you are. Yeah, it's very very different. You're in

564
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 2: a fish bowl here and I love that because I

565
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 2: love sport and I'm a fan of sports. I'd love

566
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 2: that passion that is around Melbourne for footy in terms

567
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: of the comments and the journalism and all that that

568
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 2: surrounds the game. I have this understanding that it has

569
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 2: to exist.

570
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 3: To promote the game. However, I am at a point

571
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 3: now where I don't read any of it. I don't

572
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 3: listen to any of it because it's too much and

573
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 3: people's opinions. I have this understanding that all these people

574
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 3: that are saying these things, where it's good or bad,

575
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 3: I can't attach how I'm feeling and work that I

576
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 3: put in to these people's opinions when they're not doing it.

577
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 2: Like, it's really really.

578
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 3: Hard when you you know, you play, you work all

579
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 3: pre season, you play a game, and you know you're

580
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 3: here on the weekend that someone on some TV show

581
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 3: is saying that you shouldn't be playing.

582
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: You know, it's really really hard.

583
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 3: And the first few years I was listening to that, Yeah,

584
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 3: I was listening and reading every single comment, and you know,

585
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 3: I really took it not the best.

586
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 2: I'll admit that.

587
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 3: Honestly, I was really really down when you know, I

588
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 3: wasn't playing at my best and people were saying some

589
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 3: not very nice things. But I've definitely learned over time

590
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 3: that I can't attach myself worth to these fleeting comments

591
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 3: and what people say because you can't control it. One

592
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 3: but two, it's it's sort of based off a fictional

593
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 3: character like me when I'm playing.

594
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 2: It's not it's not real.

595
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 3: Like it's hard to explain, but I can't attach who

596
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 3: I am as a person to my skill set, right,

597
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 3: They're two two different things, and I think they're not

598
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 3: when they're saying things. They're not saying things about.

599
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: Me as a person. They don't know me.

600
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 3: So I had to really really separate the two so

601
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 3: I wouldn't get down and you're so completed.

602
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 2: Because I would.

603
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 3: There were real, really dark times where I was like,

604
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 3: these person has just sent me a direct message and

605
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 3: it pretty much abused me.

606
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 2: Wow, because I missed the sad shot, you know.

607
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 3: So they were really really dark times and I've learned that.

608
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 3: But it's I also understand that it's part it's part

609
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 3: of the game that causes a stir and it in

610
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 3: terms of women's football too, we need probably not that

611
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 3: sort of voice, but we need some sort of voice

612
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 3: around the game to forward.

613
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that's interesting, this idea of detaching yourself, you

614
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: as a player, you as a person, because I find

615
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: that one interesting because it's there's almost a push from

616
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: like a well being and mental health perspective to look

617
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: at the athlete as a whole person. Yeah, but I

618
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: understand that idea that if you detach that because they

619
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: don't actually know what you're like as a person and

620
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: they don't get to sit down and have a conversation

621
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: with you face to face, it's kind of just sliding

622
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: in your DMS thinking about you know what I mean.

623
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I actually I heard someone speak once about

624
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 3: how when they see you doing your thing on screen,

625
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 3: it's almost like seeing Mickey Mouse.

626
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: You know, Okay, it's a character.

627
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 3: It's a fictional character in their brain, and they're making

628
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 3: it out like they're putting together constructs of what they

629
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 3: think you're like. They don't unless they've had a conversation

630
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 3: with you or know you personally. You're basically Mickey Mouse

631
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 3: to them. So you can't you can't take you can't

632
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 3: take it to hard or get really angry about it,

633
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 3: because it's until they speak to you or know you,

634
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 3: it's not accurate at all. And that goes That goes

635
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 3: with journalists too, sporting journalists. I used to get really

636
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 3: down about it until I really made an conscious effort

637
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 3: to be like, it's not real, it doesn't matter, it's

638
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 3: going to focus on yourself.

639
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: I like that Mickey Mouse. That's where it's sad.

640
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 2: It's all just.

641
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll roll with that. Have a bad game, wasn't me.

642
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: It was a fake character I made Ye blame it

643
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: on that. I want to go back. You mentioned earlier

644
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen that Grand Final where you lost by six

645
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: points to Adelaide. Following year Grand Final lost by six points,

646
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: talked me through that two years in a row. That's

647
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: that would hurt.

648
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

649
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 3: I think I think that second one hurt more because

650
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 3: it was like it was six points and I think

651
00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 3: at the time I felt like we didn't learn anything.

652
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 2: Obviously we did, but.

653
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 3: The emotion that you attached to it, the amount of

654
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 3: work that you put in over that time, you feel

655
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 3: like we've gotten here again, We've made the same mistake.

656
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 3: And obviously it wasn't that football is made up of

657
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 3: so much, but I think in that moment, you put

658
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 3: everything into the sport. You're all competing, and I think

659
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 3: it was tough, tough on our group, and I think

660
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 3: tough on the organization too, because they put in so

661
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 3: much time as well behind the scenes, and there was

662
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 3: a lot going on and we just wanted to do well.

663
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 3: We wanted to see some result from the work we

664
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 3: had put in, and looking back now, I don't, I

665
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 3: don't feel anything towards it's it's good that I can

666
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 3: now be like it's just a game, right, you know,

667
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 3: But at the time I was like, what, no, my

668
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 3: whole life and honestly, I can be really, really honest now.

669
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 3: During that second period, I really after that Grand Final

670
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 3: took a massive dip. I was really really out of

671
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 3: it and probably borderline depressed on stage because I associated

672
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 3: my whole life to this game and put in all

673
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 3: of my time and energy into this game, and felt like,

674
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 3: what was the point if we didn't win, if we

675
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 3: didn't win that one, what was the point? Obviously that's

676
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 3: not how it is now, and I'm so glad I'm

677
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 3: out of that. But as a young kid, that's I

678
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 3: put everything into an eye, associating my whole life around it.

679
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 3: So it really took me back after that second loss,

680
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 3: for sure.

681
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: How did you move forward from that point where you

682
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: felt like you were at a really low point and

683
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: possibly depressed. How did you kind of move out of that?

684
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 3: I think putting a lot of time into my outside

685
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 3: life and sort of doing a bit of work with

686
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 3: a sportsc in terms of the whole detaching from the

687
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 3: two football because I think in my mind I never

688
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,479
Speaker 3: wanted football to be my job because I loved it.

689
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 3: I think the best thing I ever did was going

690
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 3: football is my job. Was I could take away from

691
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 3: the fact that football is something that I do.

692
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: It's not I'm the footballer. I play football. And you

693
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 2: can have bad days.

694
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 3: Going to work doesn't mean your whole life is over

695
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 3: and you're not a bad person. It just means you've

696
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 3: just had an off day. Ever, and I think doing

697
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 3: that work in that mindset, coaching was a huge, huge

698
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 3: part of that, and spending real time with family and

699
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 3: friends and people that mean a lot to me. I

700
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 3: think those putting effort in those two areas really really

701
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 3: helped me.

702
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 2: And I think, now it's something.

703
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 3: Happened like that and lose by six points in a

704
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 3: Grand Final again, I would take it very, very differently.

705
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: I love that way that like when you go through

706
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: the hard stuff that you build the skills at the

707
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: time you don't recognize, but it's when you go something

708
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: through something similar down the track, you're like, Okay, I've

709
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 1: actually developed these skills. I can cope a little bit better,

710
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: I know how Yeah, I like.

711
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 2: That at least I would hope.

712
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: So I haven't been back in that situation yet. Yeah,

713
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Speaker 1: dot au. So after two years with Brisbane, moved down

725
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: to Melbourne.

726
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, three years of Brisbane three years sorry.

727
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: Moved down to Melbourne to join the Richmond Tigers, historically

728
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: a very very good football club in the men's side

729
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: of the game, starting with the women's team. What was

730
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: that experience like going from a club that had been

731
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: successful in making Grand Finals to a team that hadn't

732
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: yet really established itself in the women's competition.

733
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that decision was a big one,

734
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 3: sort of leaving a club that was finally finding its

735
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 3: feet and figuring out how their organization organization actually worked,

736
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 3: to taking a pun on another club that's starting from

737
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 3: zero zero. And I made that decision on the fact

738
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 3: that Ao wanted to move to Melbourne for family reasons,

739
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 3: but be a new challenge. I'd been through building up

740
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,439
Speaker 3: a team once and I thought that I could bring

741
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 3: something to Richmond in building up their team. I think

742
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 3: in that first year it was easy to identify fires

743
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 3: that were coming because I'd been through it once and

744
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 3: I felt like I could add value in that way.

745
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,479
Speaker 3: And also there were so many girls on our list

746
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 3: that never played AFOW before, which was huge, and I

747
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 3: felt like I could help out that way. I think

748
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 3: as much as there were positives, being a part of

749
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 3: a new club, like everything's so exciting, especially a club

750
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 3: like Richmond's their history. They're so so proud of the

751
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 3: history and I love that, and they're back end, like

752
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 3: their president and CEO and just all the people there

753
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 3: are such they're such.

754
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 2: Great people, really really good people and.

755
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 3: It made my time there really really fun and enjoyable,

756
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 3: even though in our first year we didn't win a game, Like,

757
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 3: we didn't win a game, But yeah, I enjoyed my

758
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 3: time there, you know. That second year, it was nice

759
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 3: to get a couple of wins.

760
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: I actually want to play an audio clip for you

761
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: while we're on that.

762
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 3: Of not that winning is everything, but it was nice

763
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 3: after a whole season not winning a game.

764
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: Winning is always always nice.

765
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 3: And it's going to be another history making night for

766
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 3: the Richmond Football.

767
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 2: Club as these girls are going to celebrate their first

768
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: ever AFL W win.

769
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: That are they happy? We don't need to listen to

770
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 1: them the whole song to talk us through that moment

771
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: of getting the first win after going through a year

772
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: of not winning a single game. What did that one

773
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: feel like?

774
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 3: Oh, it was amazing. We were down down at Geelong,

775
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 3: never played there before. It was freezing cold, and it

776
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 3: was it was a strange feeling because before the game

777
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 3: I felt like everyone was just so relaxed and everyone

778
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 3: felt really comfortable and it was sort of like we're

779
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 3: on here, Like I can really feel the energy. I

780
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 3: can really feel like everyone switched on and that game,

781
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 3: we just we all worked really really well together. I

782
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 3: put in a lot of effort and we were striving

783
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 3: for a four quarter effort in that game, and I

784
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 3: felt like that was the best consecutive quarters we had

785
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 3: put together and obviously got the scorer on the board

786
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 3: and actually won the game. But to be able to

787
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 3: win that game not just for ourselves, but it felt

788
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 3: like the whole of the club and everyone that we

789
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 3: cared about.

790
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 2: It felt like much.

791
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 3: More than that because you put in so much work

792
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 3: and sacrifice to get that win.

793
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: It felt like a Grand Final win at the time.

794
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 3: It felt amazing and to share that with that group

795
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 3: honestly was the best and it would definitely be right

796
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 3: up there with you know, first game playing air for

797
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 3: w playing first Grand Final, Like those moments will forever

798
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 3: be in my brain, like that's why I play footy

799
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 3: at the moments, you know. So, yeah, it was amazing.

800
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: That's really cool. Every week on the show, I have

801
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: a question from a six year old and from my grandma.

802
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: Let's so we might start with love that six year

803
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: old Frieda. She was really excited to ask you this question.

804
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 2: Awesome, have you met your many me?

805
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 3: Thank you for that Frida I have she they casted her.

806
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 3: For those who don't know, NAB do many legends where

807
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 3: they replicate footballers and do miniature versions of them, and

808
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 3: they get little girl that played me. Honestly, couldn't have

809
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 3: been any more accurate. Was amazing. We spent the day

810
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:14,240
Speaker 3: together and honestly it was like having a little sister.

811
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: That's really cool.

812
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 2: So much.

813
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 3: We had the best time and yeah, I'm so glad

814
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 3: that they picked her because she just had all the

815
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 3: sas and yeah, best personality.

816
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: That's really cool. I love this. I think they do

817
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: such an amazing job with those mini legends. And I

818
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: love this idea about like looking back to when you

819
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: were a kid, when you first moved to Australia, who

820
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: was it that you would have looked up to in

821
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: that instance, if you look at what your mini me

822
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: can now look up to.

823
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so so crazy and I never take those

824
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 3: moments for granted. When I first moved here, and I

825
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 3: guess my first I would say AFL person that I

826
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 3: looked up to was Nick nat Nui and for me,

827
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 3: it was partly because he looked like me in the game,

828
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 3: but also just the way he played so much emotion,

829
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 3: and he was so ferocious that I loved. I loved

830
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 3: watching him play, and it was so surreal getting to

831
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 3: be a part of the NAT media legends, because Yeah,

832
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 3: those moments you just you never take for granted because

833
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 3: you know how much of an impact that made on you.

834
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 3: Like those moments why I'm here now playing the game

835
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 3: that I'm playing, So I definitely don't take them for granted.

836
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: We might go to the question from Granny.

837
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 2: Yes, Grannie, let's go.

838
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: She's my favorite person in the world. She's very special. Hi, Sabrina,

839
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: what is the hardest thing you have overcome? She's pretty cute.

840
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: She's from Leeds.

841
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 2: I was going to say, the accent is very familiar.

842
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 1: She's lived here for like sixty years and she's still

843
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: got an accent.

844
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: Does she followed the Premier League? Does she not? Man?

845
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: Not as much. She's she's kind of integrated into the

846
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: sport that we've all played, all her grandkids have played.

847
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 1: But I'm sure when she was younger, she definitely would

848
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 1: have loved that.

849
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 2: And good question. The highest thing I've overcome?

850
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 3: Honestly, I think it changes as I go on, because

851
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 3: I think I've overcome a fair bit. I think, Oh,

852
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 3: there's honestly such a hard question. I'm going to say

853
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 3: I'll break it down to two mentally and physically. I

854
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 3: think physically the hardest thing I've ever done is sas Australia.

855
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to hear about that.

856
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 3: Definitely the most physical, the hardest thing I've ever done

857
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 3: up there.

858
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 2: For mental as well.

859
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 3: In terms of mental it probably would be trying to

860
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 3: make my way in an industry that is male dominated.

861
00:44:55,400 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 3: I'm still dealing with that now. I'd still I'm saying

862
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 3: that I've overcome it with myself, but I battle with

863
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 3: it most days. Mentally, that is something I would say,

864
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 3: I'm proud that I've overcome that, but still sort of

865
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 3: going through it.

866
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: There was an incident not too long ago where a player,

867
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: Taylor Walker, made a racist comment and came out and

868
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: afterwards publicly apologized. Eddie Betts, who recently played his three

869
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: hundred and fiftieth game once again, was at the forefront

870
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 1: speaking up and standing up against racism. It's interesting even

871
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: just seeing your body language as I talked to you

872
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: about that. How do you do you feel Eddie's comments

873
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: are a lot of time, He's exhausted from having to

874
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: take things like that on. Do you feel similar to

875
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: the way that Eddie describes that.

876
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely exhausting. I think for him, I feel

877
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 3: more sad that what do you say, three hundred and

878
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 3: fifty and he's still dealing with this and fifty games later.

879
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 3: That's pretty poor. And I think for me it's frustrating

880
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 3: because you're justifying something based on color of skin, Like

881
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 3: it's so mental to me, especially with that instant. I

882
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 3: don't consume any media, so when that happened in real time,

883
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 3: I didn't know what was happening until people were sending

884
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 3: me messages in my DM about it, so I sort

885
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,919
Speaker 3: of did my research on it to talk about it.

886
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 3: And in that situation, I think it's more disheartening because

887
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 3: you've got someone that would have had so much education

888
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 3: and people around him and this still happened. And that's

889
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 3: disheartening because it's like, if anyone's going to get it,

890
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 3: it should be him, and we're still having this situation.

891
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 3: So in terms of Eddie, like this is someone.

892
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: He played with.

893
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like if I had one of my

894
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 3: teammates say that, I'd be like, what are you doing? Yeah,

895
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 3: you know, what did you think of me personally like,

896
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 3: he would have definitely taken that to heart as well

897
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 3: as well as trying to stand for something bigger than himself.

898
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 2: He definitely would have taken that to heart. It's pretty sad.

899
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: It's pretty sad and upsetting that this still is happening,

900
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 2: especially with professionals.

901
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 3: This is still happening because we for a lot of people,

902
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 3: we set the bar. A lot of people look to us,

903
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 3: and if anyone's going to be able to stamp it out,

904
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 3: it's us. It's just a shame that it's still still happening.

905
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I read this quote from you that I

906
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: thought was really cool, just like you know, just on

907
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 1: what you were saying then, and it's a black woman

908
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: in a same sex relationship working in a male dominated sport.

909
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

910
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: M like, there's a lot of.

911
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 2: My friends. I'm like, I'm also vegan as well as everyone.

912
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: As well.

913
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot going on and I'm not intentionally

914
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 3: trying to be different.

915
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 2: But I'm also proud.

916
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 3: I'm proud that I can represent those things because they

917
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,720
Speaker 3: are my minority groups that a lot of people look

918
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 3: for someone to lead. So I'm proud that I am

919
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 3: those things. But it obviously comes with a lot of adversity,

920
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 3: and as probably not made my life easier, but it's

921
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 3: definitely made me stronger.

922
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: And I think that it gives me strength.

923
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 3: When you were talking about the dark times, running or

924
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 3: whatever it may be, those are the things that I

925
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 3: tap into. Why I'm doing this, why I have to

926
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 3: push through this is for those things, because I feel

927
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 3: like I'm constantly fighting and I feel like I'm also

928
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 3: an example for a lot of people.

929
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 2: So yeah, there's a lot going on, but I'm super proud.

930
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 3: And I wouldn't have it any other way, and I

931
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 3: hope that I can make other people proud of who

932
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 3: they are.

933
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you definitely do that. You should be

934
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: proud of that. That's cool. Tell me about Sas. Yeah,

935
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: when it first, when the offer kind of first came

936
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:47,720
Speaker 1: across your plate, what were you thinking?

937
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 3: Honestly, it was so when the first they were supposed

938
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 3: to be filming early last year, and because of COVID

939
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 3: it got postponed and during when they were going to film,

940
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 3: I was in season, so that was sort of off

941
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 3: the table then, and then it sort of came about

942
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 3: when they were going to redo it, and they were

943
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 3: sort of saying we've already got the cast, but do

944
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,439
Speaker 3: you want to come on as a train on sort

945
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:17,280
Speaker 3: of if someone gets injured or gets COVID or can't

946
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 3: make it. And I sort of was saying, you know,

947
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 3: why not because I love the show. Most of my

948
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 3: family live in the UK, so they know about the show.

949
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 3: I knew about the show, so I was all for it.

950
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 3: I was happy to train. Just gave me something else

951
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 3: to focus on with everything else going on. It was

952
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 3: nice to actually focus on something to help with footy training.

953
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 2: And I was.

954
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 3: Training for it and knew that the filming time was

955
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 3: coming up.

956
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 2: Didn't think I was going on.

957
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 3: Then with COVID restrictions, I actually had to drive the

958
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 3: border from Melbourne to the filming location in New South Wales.

959
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:01,439
Speaker 2: I had to so I had to.

960
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 3: Drive, and when I hit the board I couldn't stop,

961
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 3: so I had to drive three and a half hours

962
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 3: without stopping.

963
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 2: I was technically having to quarantine.

964
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: Oh.

965
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 3: Then I get to the location in New South Wales,

966
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 3: did fourteen days quarantine and through that whole period of time,

967
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,439
Speaker 3: I still didn't know if I was going on the show.

968
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: WHOA, that's a big commitment.

969
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. At nine sight.

970
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 3: It was a good thing, but it was definitely a

971
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 3: big commitment. And at the time, I think because there

972
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 3: was so much going on, I was sort of like, well,

973
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 3: what else would I be doing just seeing you home?

974
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 3: So I quarantined and it wasn't until the day I

975
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,280
Speaker 3: got out of quarantine. I had to film my whole

976
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 3: backstory and I still don't know if I was going on.

977
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: Oh wow.

978
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 3: And then the following day, this was a day before filming,

979
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 3: they said, there's been no injuries, there's no reason to

980
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 3: put you in, but we want to put you in.

981
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 2: I want to put you in as an add on. Okay,

982
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: I was the extra recruit.

983
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 3: I had to scramble to get like clothes and everything

984
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 3: sort of wow yeah, within like twenty four hours, and

985
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 3: then got thrown in there. And in hindsight, I'm not

986
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 3: sure if that would have been better knowing I wasn't

987
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 3: going in, because I didn't have that sort of anxiety

988
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 3: in stress because I didn't know if it was going

989
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 3: to happen or not. I just had to focus on

990
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 3: just the training and then just getting myself into the

991
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 3: mindset for if I was going to go in, and

992
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 3: then getting the call up and going in, I'm like, well,

993
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 3: I can't turn back now.

994
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 1: And it was too like to drive across the border.

995
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, but yeah, honestly it this happened a year ago,

996
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 3: and I think the process of training changed my life.

997
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 3: But being in that course, I came out a different person.

998
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: Wow.

999
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, There's been people who have asked should I apply?

1000
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 3: And I would advise to anyone apply because when you

1001
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 3: put under such extreme pressures, even if you last a day,

1002
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 3: you learn so much about yourself.

1003
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 2: Whether it's good or bad.

1004
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 3: You learn a lot in those environments and I'm so

1005
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 3: grateful for that experience. There's some people that serve their

1006
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 3: whole life in the military and don't get to do

1007
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 3: what we did on day one right too, So I'm

1008
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 3: super super privileged to have got that experience, And yeah,

1009
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 3: changed my life.

1010
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: You won over a lot of the country who might

1011
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: have before if they weren't Footy fans, might not have

1012
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: known your name. Was that a conscious choice when you

1013
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: were in those situations where you were like tested to

1014
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: the absolute limit physically and mentally. Yeah, or do you

1015
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: think in that situation that's where your character kind of

1016
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: just comes through.

1017
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 3: When you're under that much extreme pressure. You're not thinking about.

1018
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: Tip Yeah, yeah, okay, okay.

1019
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 2: I thought that I.

1020
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 3: Would take notice of those sort of things, and I

1021
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 3: would take notice of the filming and stuff, but the

1022
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 3: instructors make it so so real that you, honestly you

1023
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 3: do not even think about that. And I can only

1024
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 3: speak on behalf of myself. I don't know if the

1025
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 3: others were thinking about that and what their intentions were

1026
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 3: or whatever, But for me, when I was in there,

1027
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 3: I honestly it was just like, just focus on each day,

1028
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 3: just get through the next day, you know, and just

1029
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 3: push yourself and I here each day I was sort

1030
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 3: of like, oh.

1031
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,439
Speaker 2: My god, why am I even here?

1032
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then had to think back to you know, why,

1033
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 3: Like what am I doing this for?

1034
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1035
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 3: When I got to the end, I just was I

1036
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 3: can't believe it just survived this.

1037
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: This is mental That's huge.

1038
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, huge, And it's it's a strange one because when

1039
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 3: I came out, I was like, I don't think I

1040
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,879
Speaker 3: could do that again, And now I'm like, I could

1041
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 3: do that again, Like I see the I see the

1042
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 3: I am about to do something with Channel seven for

1043
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 3: this season coming up in the next week, and seeing

1044
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 3: what's gone on there has made me go, oh, I'm

1045
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 3: a bit jealous, like I want.

1046
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: To be there. I want to see if I could.

1047
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 2: Have done that, Like I would have loved to have

1048
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 2: done that.

1049
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 3: So it's pretty cool getting to feel that emotion again

1050
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 3: and going like, do you know what I actually I

1051
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 3: could go back and do it.

1052
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:22,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's massive.

1053
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean actually.

1054
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 3: Maybe I hae.

1055
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: I finish every interview with three would you rather questions?

1056
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 2: Yep?

1057
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: Number one.

1058
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 2: Like that poor, Yeah, dramatic effect.

1059
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: Number one. Would you rather make it to another Grand

1060
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: Final and go down by six? Or this is a

1061
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: bit savage? Just one all finished bottom of the ladder?

1062
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 2: I would say, Liza six of the Grand Fire.

1063
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I don't think anyone likes being well yeah,

1064
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: because you've moved, You've now moved across to Collingwood. I

1065
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 1: thought last season could have taken out the flag, like

1066
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: I thought they were having their years. So I'm excited

1067
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: to see where you guys go this year.

1068
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm excited to be Giants. But yeah, I think

1069
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 3: it will be a good fit. I'm really really looking

1070
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 3: forward to it.

1071
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: Yeah cool. Number two. Would you rather take mark of

1072
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: the year or kick goal of the year.

1073
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't.

1074
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 3: Do you know what, I'm gonna say, goal of the

1075
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 3: year because you can take a mark and not do

1076
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 3: anything like.

1077
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, true, yeah you can. You can spray the kick

1078
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: after that. Yeah, okay, so.

1079
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,280
Speaker 2: I'll take goal of the year because goals win games.

1080
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that. I like that. Number three. This

1081
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: is just me stereotyping you as a vegan. Would you

1082
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: rather never be able to eat tofu or never be

1083
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: able to eat mushrooms ever? Again?

1084
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 2: Mushrooms?

1085
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 3: I love mushrooms, dude, Like, yeah, I love them.

1086
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 2: I never used to though.

1087
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: I can't stand them. They're slimy and no, I love them.

1088
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 2: I love them. Yeah, I definitely can't live without the mushrooms.

1089
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: All right. I love that. Thank you so much for

1090
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: coming on for a chat. I feel like I could

1091
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: spend hours chatting to about this.

1092
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 2: S Sorry for boring.

1093
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: It was seriously really cool. I love the I guess

1094
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: the way that you've been able to reflect on what

1095
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: you've been through and the things that you've been able

1096
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: to learn. And I think even looking at that sas

1097
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: stuff like, it's just a reflection of you as a

1098
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: person and your character. So I think that's really cool

1099
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: and I've absolutely loved chatting to you.

1100
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 3: No, thanks, mate, Really, honestly, I really appreciate what you're

1101
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 3: doing in this space because I am a huge believer,

1102
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 3: and you know, you can't can't be what you can't see,

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Speaker 3: and shedding light on these amazing women and what they're

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Speaker 3: doing is it's awesome. So I'm so proud of you

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Speaker 3: for doing it, and I'm glad that could be a

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Speaker 3: part of it.

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Speaker 1: So thanks, thank you so much. I really appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Thanks guys for listening.

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Speaker 1: Love it. Oh and where can people find you on Instagram?

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Speaker 1: I always forget that question.

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Speaker 2: It's an interesting one.

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Speaker 3: My username is Sabzizzle sab Ze double zed Ellie. It's

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Speaker 3: more just so people know that I don't take myself seriously,

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Speaker 3: so it's just a little bit of fun.

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Speaker 2: I like that.

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Speaker 1: Love it. Thank you very very much, Thanks so much,

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening. If you got something out

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Speaker 1: of this episode, I would absolutely love it if you

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Speaker 1: could send it on to one person who you think

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