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Speaker 1: This is a podcast about failure with me. Lola Berry, author, nutritionist,

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Speaker 1: and yoga teacher, join me as we get to know

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Speaker 1: these guests and learn about how their failures have ultimately

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Speaker 1: shaped their dreams. Welcome to Fearlessly Failing with Lola Berry.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so, welcome to this week's episode of Fearlessly Failing

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Speaker 2: with Lola Berry. I, however, am not Lola Berry. This

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Speaker 2: is Matt Sofo. Lola has asked me to come on

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Speaker 2: this week's episode and ask her a bunch of questions.

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Speaker 2: So what I tried to do was delve a little

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Speaker 2: bit deeper into her life and her past and ask

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Speaker 2: questions that kind of haven't been asked before. We talked

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Speaker 2: to everything from childhood memories to adult failures that help

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Speaker 2: shape her career. And I hope you guys really get

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Speaker 2: a lot of insight into her life and a lot

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Speaker 2: of inspiration from her, because she's quite an inspirational person.

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Speaker 2: Well I think so anyway, And there's definitely a few

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Speaker 2: laughs along the way, so I hope you enjoy it

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Speaker 2: and thank you all right, So, welcome back to Fearlessly

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Speaker 2: Failing with Lola Berry.

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Speaker 1: Or shall we say, with Matt Sofa that's right.

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Speaker 2: This is not Lola Berry speaking. This is Matt Sofa,

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Speaker 2: the wonderful boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: Of so wonderful boyfriend. Can I just say he's taking

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Speaker 1: this very seriously. I to just go ahuat and get

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Speaker 1: him a tissue because he wanted to make sure his

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Speaker 1: nose was a tea here and.

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Speaker 2: I did not want to constantly have the sniffles or

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Speaker 1: That's I think we do not have and you have

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Speaker 2: Yeah I don't, but I didn't want to have to

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Speaker 2: sniff like during the show. Anyway, you ruined my whole intro,

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Speaker 2: little speel. I was going to like talk myself up

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Speaker 2: like multi ARIA producing DJA producer Matt Sofo, like you know,

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Speaker 2: it's pretty great, but you've ruined it. So now I

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Speaker 2: just have to talk about you for the next hour.

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Speaker 1: No, I think it is good that you introduce yourself

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Speaker 1: as Multi ARIA Awards charting music producer extraordinary because you

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Speaker 1: never pat yourself on the back. And I know that

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Speaker 1: you did that to take this out of yourself, but

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Speaker 1: all about his intro. Take it away, do it.

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Speaker 2: You've ruined it. Now. But today I am joined by

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Speaker 2: Lola Berry. So we are turning the tables and on

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Speaker 2: this fearlessly failing podcast. I'm going to be asking the

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Speaker 2: questions and Lola is going to be answering them, and.

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Speaker 1: I actually haven't prepared for this. So basically, this is

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Speaker 1: what I say to anyone that interviews me. I'm an

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Speaker 2: I am haven't prepared for any of that. I don't worry.

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Speaker 1: We're taking those.

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Speaker 2: I wrote three notes.

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Speaker 1: He wrote a little he wrote a little introduction for

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Speaker 2: I didn't actually it said. It said feels fame with

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Speaker 2: you've written? And then I just I have three, like

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Speaker 1: I was just admiring your beautiful hand wi writing. He's

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Speaker 1: got we've both got gratitude journals. We're right before we

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Speaker 1: I'm a little bit more. I kind of lean in

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Speaker 2: Okay, but who gave me that gratitude journal? I did exactly,

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Speaker 2: So when you gave it to me. I thought that

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Speaker 2: every day for three months. I think, what do they say,

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Speaker 1: I checked my gratitude diary last night. I've done twenty

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Speaker 1: I don't count the days because obviously skip and I'm

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that's what we can talk about. You're non compliant.

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Speaker 1: Matt thinks I'm very defiant.

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Speaker 2: You are very defined.

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon see you or to life?

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Speaker 2: I think in general, I think you're generally you do

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Speaker 1: Matt's been looking after a Golden Retriever. Matt's like, can

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Speaker 1: we get a golden Retriever? I'm like, no, they're beautiful dogs,

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Speaker 1: get like interesting, like quirky kind of dog. It's going

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Speaker 2: Italian greyhound.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what are we gonna call it?

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Speaker 1: What else is Italian? Panadi?

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Speaker 2: So should we actually start this podcast? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that was a very long extended intro. Totally

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Speaker 2: you just ruined my like little spiel. I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

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Speaker 2: It was actually great. So today we are talking failures

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Speaker 2: because this is fearlessly failing with Lola Berry. Do you

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Speaker 2: like how I do a little with Lola Berry part.

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Speaker 1: So this is one thing that's really annoying about Matt. One.

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Speaker 1: He's better at yoga than me, and I'm a yoga

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Speaker 1: I've got a lisp, I've got I'm a bogan, I've

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Speaker 2: A SMR s M. I said we should do as MR.

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Speaker 2: So a SMR is like coming to the room, like close.

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Speaker 1: Your eyes to me. Just sounds creepy because people love it.

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Speaker 1: The sound of like touching things. Yeah, he's scratching his beard.

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Speaker 2: A nun as M A s M. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: It's a s MR. My my Google search history is

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Speaker 2: like is absolutely ridiculous. Some crazy stuff Matt's got.

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Speaker 1: Also, the private browser option for f rudy stuff.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I do. Ami does not whispering. What's it

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Speaker 1: I love that about us.

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Speaker 2: But I think I don't like my voice because I am.

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Speaker 2: I will cough and I'll swallow loudly.

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Speaker 2: That's a that's a that's just it's like a soothing

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Speaker 2: it's like a soothing thing. Okay, So apart from my voice,

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Speaker 2: we are talking about failures today, and we have been

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Speaker 2: in inter viewing everybody else about their failures, and you

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Speaker 2: are very open about your failures and your kind of life.

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Speaker 2: You've done a lot of podcasts. How many podcasts you

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So you've done heaps and you have talked about everything.

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Speaker 2: So I think, but I think that for your audience

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Speaker 2: an open book, all right. So I think that I've

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Speaker 2: been listening back to some of your older podcasts, have

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Speaker 2: you really Yeah, definitely like some of your early ones

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Speaker 2: from like say three four years ago. Yeah, very very good.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Oh, he has to say that he

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Speaker 2: But okay, So I think that where we should start

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Speaker 1: Oh, I just got like the nervous butterflies go.

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Speaker 2: No, not at all. I think that you do talk

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Speaker 2: But then post that, I think what were your actual

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Speaker 2: Of So I think that, like what you thought was

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Speaker 2: And I think that I want to know your first

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Speaker 1: I was seeing and I knew. I still remember what

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I caught up with my dad, and my

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think he got the lowest

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Speaker 2: That I'm there, I think all your friends that my

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Speaker 1: No tunes. Yes, And they stopped me halfway through. I

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Speaker 2: Would you say that what was like the lesson that

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Speaker 2: if you weren't sure about what you're doing to and

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Speaker 1: I think I've known about myself. I've always got to

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Speaker 2: Does that empower you? Like, do you feel empowered by that?

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Speaker 1: I feel a sense of purpose. So in yoga the

439
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 1: word dama, I feel if I'm doing something where I'm

440
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,200
Speaker 1: gaining or learning or like at the moment, I feel

441
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 1: like I'm in a phase of my life where I'm

442
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 1: in growth and I'm in learning, And I don't think

443
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 1: I'll always be in this phase because as beautiful as is,

444
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 1: it's very selfish. Like going to a.

445
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,440
Speaker 2: Therapeaus so hard, I feel like shit most of the time.

446
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 1: It actually does, And Matt's not dramatizing that at all,

447
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 1: because like seeing a therapist, you often like you're wipe

448
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,640
Speaker 1: for the rest of the day or for the next

449
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 1: three hours. You're questioning every choice you ever made and

450
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,639
Speaker 1: if you're fucked up and all these things, and really,

451
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 1: I mean acting school's a little bit similar. Like we

452
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time. Like I do acting school

453
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 1: every Tuesday night, and I've just started a semester two

454
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,120
Speaker 1: and you walk into the room and they're like, right,

455
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,919
Speaker 1: you know, have a relationship with something in the space,

456
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 1: and you'll spend ten fifteen minutes just getting to know

457
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 1: a chair, you know, and that's like pretty confronting. Like

458
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 1: you like, if people walk in, you know, they're going

459
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 1: to think we're all loneies. But the theory is to

460
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Speaker 1: get out of your mind and to become childlike again,

461
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Speaker 1: lose inhibitions. So I know that was a very well,

462
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Speaker 1: really weird, wiggly answer to your question. I don't think

463
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Speaker 1: I've always been a plan. I think I've always needed

464
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Speaker 1: to be learning if I'm not giving or doing something.

465
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Speaker 2: So would that be your advice for somebody? What would

466
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Speaker 2: be Like I'm talking, we'll talk about advice in three stages.

467
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 2: I think, like, what would be something that you would

468
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 2: say to yourself or say to somebody else at eighteen, nineteen,

469
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Speaker 2: twenty years old, they've enrolled in the wrong degree, it's

470
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Speaker 2: not their passion and they want to do something different.

471
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Speaker 1: Oh well, first of all, drop out, just drop it, yeah,

472
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: drop it, Like you're so young, you've got time. You

473
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: could do another four degrees and change your mind three times.

474
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 1: I think my biggest thing I would be like, and

475
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:14,880
Speaker 1: it's the one thing that gets me through all the time.

476
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 1: You just got to back yourself because the harsh reality

477
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: is not too many people will really back you. Like

478
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 1: we even were talking yesterday and Matt's probably the first

479
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: person in years other than my family that I have

480
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 1: really trusted and been like, Like the other day, I

481
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,879
Speaker 1: was like, can I borrow a fifty buck? Do you

482
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Speaker 1: know what I mean? I wouldn't never ask a partner

483
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 1: for that. Usually it's me, like being the provider. People

484
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: have this weird perception that I'm really rich fucked if

485
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 1: I know why, And so it was really weird. It's

486
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 1: like I've been so used to knowing that most people

487
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 1: are dingos and that most people generally will want something

488
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 1: from you, yeah, or we'll care more about what you

489
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 1: can give them to help better them. And often people

490
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: in Australia want you to fail.

491
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 2: Yeah of course, And I like, I get that in

492
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 2: my industry and my whole life and stuff like that.

493
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Speaker 2: Do you think society kind of puts that pressure on

494
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Speaker 2: us to like finish UNI and finish school and do that,

495
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 2: and it's like a almost like society, excuse me, we've

496
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 2: failed in the eyes of society if we don't finish

497
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 2: that degree or if we don't go down that path.

498
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Speaker 1: I actually think it's a generational thing. So I don't

499
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: believe our kids' generation will have the same pressure that

500
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 1: we had our parents baby boomers, so it was a

501
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: bit more of a survival any kind of thing as well.

502
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Speaker 1: And the parents before that was what end of World

503
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Speaker 1: War two?

504
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 2: Absolute survival, it was only survival.

505
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Speaker 1: So it's as generational. I think there's absolutely nothing wrong

506
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Speaker 1: with pulling out a UNI and changing a degree, Like

507
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 1: I went from a Bachelor of Performing Arts degree to

508
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Speaker 1: a health science nutritional medicine degree. It doesn't matter.

509
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Speaker 2: Yeah, very cool, all right, So that was your early

510
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 2: and now kind of the next phase of your life.

511
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Speaker 2: I think we'll skip ahead a little bit and you

512
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Speaker 2: I don't want to know about the same stuff that

513
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 2: you've talked about in every podcast.

514
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: So which is I think this is all new what

515
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 1: I've just said.

516
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, That's what I'm saying. But this is

517
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Speaker 2: the main kind of portion of like your career starting

518
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 2: and coming into like what is Lulaberry as like a

519
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 2: brand and stuff like that. So like we can touch

520
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 2: on the fact about like your book that you know

521
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 2: got pulled and all that kind of stuff, but what

522
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 2: were your earlier failures. What were some of the things

523
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 2: that you did early on that and that might have

524
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Speaker 2: been like you know, you wanted to So this is.

525
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: The twenties to thirties gap right where I'm so just like.

526
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Speaker 2: Little things that you started that you thought would get

527
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Speaker 2: you on your way to being who you are today

528
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 2: that actually didn't plan out. So say, for me, like

529
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 2: an example is like say little things along the way.

530
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Speaker 2: So FI maybe like joined with this person or worked

531
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: with that person and that failed and I thought that

532
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Speaker 2: was a thing that was going to get me going.

533
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Speaker 2: Do you have any of those things maybe you started

534
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Speaker 2: working with somebody, or it's you know, you started writing

535
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 2: a certain book that was like you know what, actually,

536
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 2: these book's not going to get me there, Or that

537
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 2: idea that you started and worked on for two weeks,

538
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 2: we were like after two weeks you scrapped it. Any

539
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: of those kind of things that you started and felt

540
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Speaker 2: like you failed at because at the time you thought

541
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Speaker 2: they were going to be the game changers for you.

542
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Speaker 1: So I've never done something or I think it's going

543
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Speaker 1: to be a game changer for some reason, Like I've

544
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: got this feeling that I'll succeed, but I don't ever think, oh,

545
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 1: this is it, like you and I. Bran's being product

546
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Speaker 1: out that'll probably be out by the time this is

547
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: out a coffee thing. I'm just like, oh, this is cool,

548
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: Let's see what happens. I never have expectation with anything

549
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: I create. I don't know why. I don't know if

550
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: that's like an inbuilt thing from the way I was raised.

551
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure.

552
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Speaker 1: But there are some failures i'd love to share from

553
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 1: that earlier kind of like and I think also starting

554
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: to make it and in my early twenties bringing out

555
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: a best seller book making a truckload of money, and

556
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 1: then fast forward to use and making literally a quarter

557
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: of that.

558
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: And I think.

559
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: Those learnings and I think they're really cool, and I've

560
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: not really spoken about them. So one thing I do

561
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: want to say about something I created, and it was

562
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: a flop. It wasn't a flop. It was just too

563
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: hard to keep up with to keep the demand happening.

564
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: So I was living with my roommate in Sydney. We

565
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: had a sick little townhouse in Paddington and he had

566
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 1: really bad psoriasis and I was like, dude, you got

567
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: to put rose hip oil, macadamia oil and colangeloor on

568
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: it to really calm it down. He's like, can you

569
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: make me some?

570
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 2: I love these little home yours.

571
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: And he's like, and I made him some and he

572
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: put it on for a few days. His name's Oscar,

573
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: and it really helped clear up his surrises because he

574
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: had it around his face. So he was really self

575
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: conscious about it. And I also get exmera as well,

576
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: especially now in the winter, and so we made this

577
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: thing called it was called the Oscar Elixa.

578
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 2: That's funny.

579
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,719
Speaker 1: It was caol it like breaking back at our house though.

580
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: So I literally had Colangela infusing and I did it

581
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: in a mixture of macadamia oil and rose hippop. It

582
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: was beautiful, lovely product. We put it in little lamber bottles,

583
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: wrapped it I did all the We put it in

584
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: little boxes posted all over Australia. It sold out every

585
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: single time we created. But the time that we're into

586
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: it was out of this world. And at first it

587
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: was great because I just moved to Sydney. Rent so

588
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: expensive in Sydney, so we just both looked at it as, oh, well,

589
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: this pays our rent and it's a fun little thing

590
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: to do together. To this day, I still get people going,

591
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: when are you bring your oscools back out? Maybe we

592
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: should bring it back, bringing the oscarlixa back, get a

593
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: factory going. And yeah, it was so fun. I wouldn't

594
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: say it was a failure, but it was just the

595
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: time that went into it and the outcome and the

596
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: money didn't make didn't make it didn't balance out, so

597
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: I would have to expand like pretty big to make

598
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: it correct. We were literally doing in our kitchen on

599
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: our kitchen table, and I love that. I wouldn't not

600
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: have taken that back. I think that was unreal. The

601
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: moments where I would say that people wouldn't know about,

602
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: and that is like having a career in media and

603
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: the pressures that come with that. I don't think people

604
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: would expect. But I've been in meetings where I was

605
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: in I remember I was in a Brainstorwing meeting and

606
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: I caught a flight from Melbourne to Sydney and someone

607
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: said to me in the meeting oh, tell us your

608
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: five year goal. And I was like, only twenty at

609
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: this stage, and I was like, I'd have five year

610
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: goal at twenty me absolutely, I write I've been since twenty.

611
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: Like.

612
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: I used to have a left handed book beside my bed,

613
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: so I'm right handed, but I wanted to be ambidexters,

614
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: so I had a left handed book and I'd write

615
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: all my goals, Oh my goals my left handed book

616
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: before i'd fall asleep, and I had current goals, five

617
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: year goals, and ten year goals. And I found that

618
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: book recently. The only thing I haven't done is gone

619
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: on Oprah Allan and lived in a treehouse. Everything else

620
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: I've done that's pretty cool. But anyway, that's very cool. Actually, yeah,

621
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: I'm all about a good list. Anyway, this when this's

622
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: brain swing me and they're like, oh, give us a

623
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: good five year goal. And I was like, oh, this

624
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: might sound a bit like out too big for me

625
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: to have as a goal, and I'll just say anyway,

626
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: and I go, okay, Well, you know I saw Miranda

627
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: Kurr was the face of Quantus and an Ambassada Quantus

628
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: on the Way Up, which is an Australian airline and

629
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: Miranda curR is a very successful Australian model, used to

630
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: be Victoria's secret roll, just going to own skin care range,

631
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: going gangbusters, total hotty, and the person in the meetings

632
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: I was sitting opposite her in the meeting stood up,

633
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: looked down at me and with her finger said Babe,

634
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: you're hardly a supermodel, referring to my body shape. So

635
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: in that moment, I was like, are you fucking kidding me?

636
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: In my head, I felt fat and like I've obviously,

637
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: I've been very open about having troubled relationship with eating,

638
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: eating disorder, this body dysmorphia, binge, eating all that jazz,

639
00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: And to this day I see a therapist for a

640
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: week because some weeks are great, other weeks aren't great.

641
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: And I remember in that moment, I was like, shit,

642
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: like one am I up for in.

643
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: My career?

644
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: And there is definitely an element in working media where

645
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: like you know, I've been in meetings and there've been

646
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: pictures of my face cut out and sitting on the

647
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: table and people have ripped up the ones I thought

648
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: ugly with me sitting in the meeting room, and I

649
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: was just like, whoa, And I don't need to go

650
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: into depth about the meeting plan I brought out that

651
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: was a total failure, and I didn't even feel like

652
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: a failure in that moment. I actually just felt like

653
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: no one had my back, and even the people that

654
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: do have my back, like my family. I remember my dad.

655
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: So basically, long story short, I brought out a diet plan.

656
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: It was to be later Korea stuff. This wasn't yet,

657
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 2: this is now, this is too.

658
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: I was only twenty five, and.

659
00:31:58,440 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: I keep going.

660
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: I just brought out a die plan. And Oscar, that

661
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: same guy that I did the he was still my roombate.

662
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: I was still living in Paddington with him. He said,

663
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: let's bring out a four week diet plan or all

664
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: your competition's doing it. Not that I've ever looked at

665
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: competition people as competition, but it was like, everyone's doing it.

666
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: It's a really good way to make passive income. And

667
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't want to piece off my publishers,

668
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: you know, And I was to this day I loved

669
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: the publishers that I've got, but he was like, listen,

670
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: you know everyone else has got one. They're still with

671
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: your publishers. It's fine to bring out a diet plan.

672
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: So we created this. I wrote this four week diet plan,

673
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: really healthy, really wholesome. Basically, we were releasing it on

674
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: Boxing Day and the theory was that on boxing games,

675
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: we've all over eaten, We've got a little detox. And

676
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: we bought it on Boxing Day and within two hours

677
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: the Daily Mail had written a story about me saying,

678
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: career suicide.

679
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 2: Let's just just pause there for a second. How long

680
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 2: between like your first kind of books and your first

681
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 2: like best selling books? Was it between then and between

682
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: the Diet Plan?

683
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: So I've written ten books, ten physical books. The Diet

684
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: Plan was an online program I reckon that would have come.

685
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: It came out after Happy Cookbooks. I'd had the best seller,

686
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: the big best seller by then, but I hadn't had Smoothie,

687
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: so it was in the middle of them.

688
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: Have you ever heard the saying like never trusted dopamine. No.

689
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: So it goes on the fact that like when you

690
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 2: do have like success and you're on top of the

691
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 2: world and you feel like invincible, you feel like you

692
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 2: become like this expert and pretty much you feel amazing

693
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 2: that you can succeed at anything that you do. Oh so,

694
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 2: like ego kicks it ego kicks in. Yeah, so it

695
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: kind of gives you this like false sense of like

696
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 2: whatever I touch will turn to gold, like cocaine. I think.

697
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: I think that's directly what cocaine does. Yeah, so it

698
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 2: gives you that kind of like that false sense of,

699
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: like that falsense of security that like anything you do

700
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 2: would succeed. Do you think that because it was after

701
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 2: such a successful book that you were more game to

702
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 2: basically say, you know what, stuff, but I'm going to

703
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 2: do this, like try this controversial kind of diet plan

704
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: and give it a really controversial name because I'm successful

705
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 2: already and my last book was really well, so it

706
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 2: did really well, so it doesn't matter what I do now,

707
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 2: it's going to be great.

708
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: You bring up a great point.

709
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: Did you ever have that feeling or Oscar or the

710
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 2: guy that you're working with.

711
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: I've never seen myself as successful to this day, so no,

712
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: I've never had that moment. In fact, the reason why

713
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: I had the name that it had was Oscar came home.

714
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: I was working on it all day writing recipes.

715
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 2: Is.

716
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: I don't like it. It's very hard. It's hard for me.

717
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: It doesn't come naturally. I have to work quite hard

718
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: at it. And anytime you use the brain, when you

719
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: know the brain, news is the most energy. So anytime

720
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 1: I write books, I always put five killers on because

721
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: I'm just like sitting and writing and need so much

722
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: extra energy. And he'd come home and I'd eat a

723
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 1: whole block of marvelous creations, which if anyone knows their

724
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: family sized block of like cad breeze that have got

725
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 1: like the popping candy and all that shitty.

726
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 2: I love the marvelous creation.

727
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're delicious. I'd say they're lace with something for sure. Anyway,

728
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: in the whole block, a family sized block, got to

729
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: miss sugar. And he's Matt's eats less sugar than me.

730
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: He's amazing. And he said, what should we call the

731
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: diet plan? Is like, it doesn't have a ring to

732
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: it if we call it lowless four week plan or

733
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: a weight loss plan or anything. And I said, oh,

734
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: I wish we could call it stop being a fat bitch,

735
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: because that's how I feel right now. And he said

736
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: we need to call it stop being a fat bitch.

737
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: And I said, no friggin' way, I'll get murdered. I'm

738
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 1: like the happy girl, like I had the happy cookbook,

739
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: The Happy Life, like I'm the Happy author, and I said,

740
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: it goes against the entire way that I have kind

741
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: of like built my business. And he said, Lola, we

742
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: need to shine a light on the way that women

743
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: perceive themselves. And the book title was stop being a

744
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: Fat Bitch, and then it said underneath the subheating was

745
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: change your internal dialogue, change your life. But no one

746
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: saw that, So that's where it came from. It didn't

747
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: come from ego or the dope mean effect or anything

748
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: like that. Just and to be honest, like, I love Oscar,

749
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: but he definitely pushed that.

750
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 2: And do you think that was his ego that kind

751
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: of pushed them.

752
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: No, he loved his whole his way of doing businesses

753
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: to push boundaries, which actually, to his testament, I think

754
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: is what's wonderful about him. And to be honest, him

755
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: and I aren't super close now, but everything that I've

756
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: done with him or learned from him has been He

757
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: always took risks in business. He always pushed the envelope.

758
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: He didn't really give too much of a funk about

759
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: what people thought. He was just like, let's do this,

760
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: it needs to But he his form of creating media

761
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: was always shocked.

762
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 2: Act. I'll go back to why I asked about the

763
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 2: dope mean thing is because you have never talked about

764
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 2: that as a failure, and I wanted to know why

765
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 2: that wasn't a failure. And it wasn't a failure because

766
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 2: you never actually, in the beginning, thought that you were

767
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 2: successful at anything. You never saw yourself as like above

768
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 2: anybody else, and you never actually saw yourself as a

769
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 2: successful writer. So in that moment when that whole diet

770
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 2: plan did go to shit, you completely saw that as

771
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: a learning curve instead of any sort of failure because

772
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 2: he didn't have the ego to begin with.

773
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I actually if you said, what's been one

774
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: of your best career highlights or lessons? And I've had

775
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: a publicist tell me not to say it's a career highlight,

776
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: but I would fight back and say it is a

777
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: career highlight because it taught me who has my back?

778
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: Like other big health influencers that you would absolutely know

779
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: the names of use that to promote themselves and saying

780
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: like we should never talk to women like this, and

781
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: I might listen, bitch, I'm not talking to women like this.

782
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: I'm talking to myself. Like this, and I'm being vulnerable

783
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: and open about it. Sure it hurt people, and I

784
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: don't people love to tear people down. Though in Australia

785
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: it's messed up. And I can tell you on one

786
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 1: hand who had my back. And that's where I was saying,

787
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: like blessed Dad's consocs. He was like, you'll be fine,

788
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: You've done You've got through this before, and I said, no, Dad,

789
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: I actually haven't. I've never had a current affair rip

790
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: me to threads and then post it. And I was

791
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: only allowed I was legally gagged, so I wasn't allowed

792
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: to speak to media or anything. And then finally, I

793
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: think my book publicist said you can do a fifteen

794
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 1: second apology video on Instagram when they were fifteen second videos,

795
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: and that ran on a current affair that night.

796
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 2: But no one really gives a shit. No one really,

797
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 2: like I know, like people bring it up in podcasts

798
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, but like, no one actually gives

799
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 2: a shit. No one comes up to you and be like, hey,

800
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: remember that time you fucking failed at that or you

801
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 2: brought that out like.

802
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: No, but when it was happening, and when it did happen,

803
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: I remember I was just walking to yoga and people

804
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: are like, oh, wow, how do you feel like in.

805
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 2: The street in the time. Isn't it funny? They you

806
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 2: said a current affair around the thing, and you were

807
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: on a current affair like what a couple of weeks ago.

808
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: And they actually had my back when they posted when

809
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: I posted the apology, they said, like, everyone makes mistakes,

810
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: we just want her to be okay. So they were

811
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 1: I've always had a lovely relationship with the current affair.

812
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so that you did kind of push ahead

813
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: in my notes a little bit because I only had

814
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 2: kind of podcast police. But I want to know a

815
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 2: little bit about So people are going to be listening

816
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 2: to this. They're either going to be listening to this

817
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 2: to know your story and understand like failure and stuff

818
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: like that, but a lot of them are going to

819
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 2: want to get tips of, you know, how you got

820
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: started and getting agents and getting you know, speaking gigs

821
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. So I want to know the

822
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: failures that went along with them. Did you initially go

823
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: for like I know, you've got you know, great agent. Now,

824
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: did you have previous meetings with other agents before? Did

825
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: you have an agent before? Did you go to meetings

826
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 2: with agents and then they've turned around and said, you

827
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 2: know what, we just don't want you, or maybe sign

828
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 2: you and then drop you. Did you have any of

829
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 2: those moments where you felt like you had already failed

830
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 2: because you've got this great like new deal, or you

831
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: might have been with an agent but then all of

832
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 2: a sudden they've turned around and dropped out. So how

833
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 2: did those kind of like failures feel and did they happen?

834
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: Maybe they didn't happen. Maybe I'm just asking the wrong

835
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: question here.

836
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: They asked perfect question. Yeah, I've obviously been I've been

837
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: dropped from work gigs more than i've been like green lit.

838
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: I reckon. I've shot thirteen pilots and not one of

839
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: them as being green lit. So as far as like,

840
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: I think, management and agents is a tricky one because

841
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: they do become like a relationship. So when a management

842
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: relationship ends, it's like the end of a breakup. So

843
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 1: it can end like a little bit bitter, and obviously

844
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: the dust settles, and you know, if you're both good humans,

845
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 1: it can work out. But I remember I got dropped

846
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: by an agent in Australia. I've been dropped by two

847
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: agents in America. I've been dropped by an agent in

848
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: the UK, so that means I've been signed and then dropped.

849
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 1: I remember one time I was literally shooting my book

850
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: like a physical and my agent called me up on

851
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 1: set and I knew, like I knew it felt yucky

852
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: with her. We've just lost a big gig that I

853
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: really wanted with an almond milk company, and I was like, hey, like,

854
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: why didn't we put for this? And I just started

855
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: holding them very accountable and in the defense, I would

856
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: have been a pain and probably a bit of a diva,

857
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: to be completely honest. And I remember she called me

858
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: up and she's like, hey, where are you And I'm like,

859
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: we wan my book shoot and I was like, shit, man,

860
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: you should know that. And she's like, well, this isn't working.

861
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: I'm letting you go. So she dropped me in the

862
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: middle of my shoot on the shoot, and I remember

863
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: thinking how great my publishers were because I was bawling

864
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: my eyes out on the shoot. I was only like, shit,

865
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: like twenty six or something, pretty young to get dropped

866
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 1: like that. And then I got my current agent interview

867
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: just by a recommendation of a friend. But I've been

868
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: signed to American ones. I remember I got signed to

869
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: an American one, so excited, came back to Australia and

870
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 1: it got I did an interview with the Herald Sign

871
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: like that's where the ego came in, and so I

872
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: do an I'd be like, yeah, I'm signed this big

873
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 1: agency in the in the US, and they within about

874
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: forty eight hours emailed and said, we have a Google

875
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: alerts on anyone we represent. We've seen the Herald Sun's story.

876
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: We're dropping you straight away immediately.

877
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 2: How did that feel?

878
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: Ah, I mean, I'm sure I would have felt pretty shit.

879
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: I mean I don't remember if I just remember thinking,

880
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: but I get hits all the time, like I got

881
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: dropped from a more. I guess getting dropped from like

882
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: an ambassador role would be similar to feeling like getting fired.

883
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: I got dropped last week from a company and I

884
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: didn't really see that coming. I kind of thought, oh,

885
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: you know, that's a great relationship.

886
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 2: You got dropped. It was the end of a contract.

887
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: The contract was hey, we would not be renewing this contract.

888
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was I think that's a batable thing.

889
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 2: You had a two year contract. I think that's a

890
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 2: pretty good like that's a pretty good run.

891
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: I know, but like I'm a good person, give me

892
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: a bit longer.

893
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 2: I don't see that as a failure. I think I

894
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 2: see that as like as just like a nice ending

895
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 2: of a relationship.

896
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that's from he's much softer than me. I

897
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: was like, fuck shit.

898
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: I was like quite stress like, we'll work it out.

899
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is true, We'll work it out well. And

900
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure when by the time this comes out, well

901
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: know what that what that contract ending will have been.

902
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: But I think as far as like agents TV, So

903
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: TV is a really interesting one. I've never really spoken

904
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: about this, but I was like the health expert on

905
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: a Channel ten TV show called The Circle. So I'll

906
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: do a weekly segment about like pineapples and how they're

907
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: anti inflammatory and really home bromlin and they're a protalytic

908
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: enzyme and help you digest protein and I do that.

909
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: I loved it.

910
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: That was like my family and I actually moved from

911
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: the Gold Coast where I was living to Melbourne to

912
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: be a regular on the Channel ten show that was

913
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: called nine Am and David and Kim. And when they

914
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,959
Speaker 1: rebranded from nine Am to David nine Am with David

915
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: and Kim to the Circle, which was the one with

916
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: like Yumi, Georgie, Denise Dreisdale, like I had a really

917
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: christis want to be on this something like I had

918
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: a really cool Michelle Laurie, like a really cool it

919
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: was like having a cup of tea with your mates.

920
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 1: And so I was like the Health, the health nerd,

921
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: and I freaking love the show. And I remember my

922
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: producer on nine AM with David and Kim said, Loli,

923
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: you're in the mix to be a host for the

924
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: for the Circle, and I was like, I was sick.

925
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: Twenty four. I was so young, and I was like,

926
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: holy shit, I can't read AUTOQ and you know I

927
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: have a fear of reading AUTOQ as well, which I've

928
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: worked on word. Yeah, and I now like when Matt

929
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: and I go better sometimes read out loud to practice

930
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: you reading, I have to do your line rehearsals, homework. Yeah,

931
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: And so the Circle happened. I didn't get the hosting role,

932
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: which I knew I wasn't four mentally or my confidence

933
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: wasn't there either. I'd love now if you said we're

934
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: putting in for a dives, I'd be like, bring it

935
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: like that. I love like live to air, which is

936
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: what that show was. So that means it only like

937
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: a seven second delay. So if you f R or sorry,

938
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: it was live to tape, So if you f up,

939
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 1: they can't really cut it out. They've got seven seconds

940
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: to play.

941
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 2: That's it.

942
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, But if you drop something on set, they're just

943
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: going to roll with it anyway. So the Circle was

944
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: so much fun. I loved it, like I launched a

945
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: few books on there. It was such a good gang

946
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 1: and it was probably my first professional, consistent TV work

947
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: as far as career went. And morning TV then this

948
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: is before in STA, this is before Facebook. It had

949
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: a really strong currency and the viewership was much higher

950
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: than what it is even now because we weren't looking

951
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: to social media on YouTube for recipes. We were looking

952
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: to TV segments. And I still love TV. I think

953
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: it's the coolest me of media.

954
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 2: I love it.

955
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: And I remember I got a call from my producer

956
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: from the Circle Ship. But she was so amazing to me,

957
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: and she was my producer. She was the first one

958
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: to ever put me on TV. Shout out to Lucy Roach.

959
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: She's amazing Lucy Roach, and I thank her in every

960
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: single book I've written because she's the first person to

961
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 1: take a chance on me put me on TV. Yeah,

962
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: and I was pretty like quirky back in the day,

963
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: and which I know I am now, but I dressed

964
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: quirky then. And anyway, on the Circle, she called me

965
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: up and she's like, have you have you heard the news?

966
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: And I was like nah, and she's like, ah, they've

967
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: just fired everyone off the Circle and acts the show

968
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: via Twitter. So Channel ten acts the show like within

969
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: an hour of the EP, the producer and the EP

970
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: knowing yeah it was on, so they didn't even get

971
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: a chance to tell their staff tell the posts. Everyone

972
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: found out via Twitter. That's how the show was axed.

973
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: And I remember the week they got one week more

974
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: of the show so that everyone was jobbless after this,

975
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: I remember Umi Steins. This just says how much a

976
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: champ she is. I was about to bring a book

977
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: out and I was doing a segment about just like

978
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: a recipe segment like I would, and you mean goes,

979
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: chuck me your new book, chuck me your new book.

980
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: And I took it in and I remember it was

981
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: under the table and they're not meant to promo books

982
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: in Australia. You're not meant to promo up unless it's

983
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: a paid it's a potential paid segment, so it's advertising.

984
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 2: Space out on advertising.

985
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, or it can be done if there's a great

986
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: relationship with the public, the book publicist and the network.

987
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: But you often if you're prone on one show, you

988
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 1: can't promote on another. And Numi goes, chuck me your book,

989
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: I'll chuck it up, and she literally we're in the

990
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: middle of a segment, she whips the book out. She's like,

991
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 1: everyone go out and buy Lawla's book, and she's waving

992
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: around the screen. And then the show. I came on

993
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: for the final show and Pam Barnes, who was the

994
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: EP of the entire show as such a legend, did

995
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: this thank you to like Channel ten to thank you know,

996
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: just beautiful like outro kind of thing, and they cut

997
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: it like it just went to fizzy, what's it? What

998
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: is it like when there's the rainbow of that?

999
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 2: I don't know what it's called, but yeah, know you

1000
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 2: cut it.

1001
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was like you get fired via Twitter?

1002
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: Who wow?

1003
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, what would you say that some advice for people

1004
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: that kind of to take the hits in the industry,

1005
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 2: you know, like what would be the hate. You might

1006
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 2: have been on a show and then you've been dropped,

1007
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 2: or you've done one book and then you got dropped

1008
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 2: by your publisher, or you had an agent and then

1009
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 2: you've been dropped. But you know in your heart that

1010
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 2: your career is not over and you've got so much

1011
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 2: more to give. Like, what would be the advice that

1012
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 2: you say, Because not everyone has the same drive and

1013
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 2: feeling and passion that you have. A lot of people

1014
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 2: will take the hits so much harder than you. Like

1015
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 2: I remember getting dropped from my first DJ booking agent

1016
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 2: and just you know, I'm just like lying in bed,

1017
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 2: thing and fuck my life, Like, what the fuck am

1018
00:48:59,480 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 2: I going to do?

1019
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: Likely you've got fire, though, I imagine this is what

1020
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: would have gone through Matt's mind, fuck my life for

1021
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: about twenty minutes, or you would have ruminated for little

1022
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: while and then you would have been like I'm going

1023
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: to show that motherfucker, and you'd have tried to get

1024
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: a job.

1025
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 2: Like that's true. Also, like you know I questioned myself worse.

1026
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, So like you know I know that

1027
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,919
Speaker 2: we all question it, but not everyone has that same

1028
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: drive to get up and go. You know what fuck it,

1029
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 2: I'm just going to fucking try again. Do you know

1030
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 2: what it is?

1031
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 1: It's an knowing, It's a knowing in your heart that

1032
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: you are a good, good, good egg, that you're going

1033
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: to work hard, and you're gonna work so hard the

1034
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: good shit's going to come. But I've had I remember,

1035
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: I think I told you this recently, like a nutritionis.

1036
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: I was working. I was doing morning TV and I

1037
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 1: was working at a smoothie bar and this nutritionness that

1038
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: I really looked up to came in older than me.

1039
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: I would have been twenty three, I would have just

1040
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 1: graduated from nutrition school. I went straight into morning TV.

1041
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: I was working a Smoothi bar and taking consoles out

1042
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: back of smoothie bar as a nutritionists. They had a

1043
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: little space out the back. It was really cool. It

1044
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: was a fun little balance. And this nutritionist came in

1045
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, you're so and so,

1046
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: and she's like, yes, I am. And I said, oh,

1047
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: I did your macrobody cooking class two years ago. I've

1048
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: just finished my degree. I just want to say thanks

1049
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: so much. You are a huge inspiration. And she goes,

1050
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: it's a really tough industry.

1051
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 2: And I gosh, bitch, fucking all industries are hard.

1052
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: I go, oh, I'm loving it, like and also I'm

1053
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 1: serving her a friggin smoothy at this stage the game's

1054
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: I'm looking at her like she's a maazillion times more

1055
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: successful than me. And she goes, I know you, and

1056
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 1: I go, no, we've never met. I was up the

1057
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: very back of your talk and I didn't get to

1058
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: meet you. And she goes, no, I know you. You're

1059
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: that girl off morning TV. And I said, oh, yeah, yeah,

1060
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: that's me. And she goes, there are five people lined

1061
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: up to buy smooth at this station. She goes, you

1062
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: are a disgrace to the nutrition industry. I love that,

1063
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: and I said, I'll pass it on. And I I

1064
00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: was just like in my head all I was like,

1065
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: don't cry, that's all. I didn't want to cry in

1066
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: front of this person that was like happily just like

1067
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: digging and kind of like slap energetically slapping me in

1068
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: the face. And she goes, how could anybody take you

1069
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: seriously by the way that you dress. You need to

1070
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: wear a suit, you need to be taken seriously like

1071
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: a professional. And I said, because I used to wear

1072
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: like bright converse bowse in my hair. I looked a

1073
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: bit like Sydney law bar and I said, oh, well,

1074
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: I'll pass your feedback on. I served everybody in silence,

1075
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: and she was like, I know I sound like a bitch,

1076
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: but I'm in told to my opinion. Like she just

1077
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: kept going this motherfucker, and I served everyone else in silence.

1078
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: I locked the door of the health store Smoie bar,

1079
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 1: and I ran out the back, bowled my eyes and

1080
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,280
Speaker 1: in that moment, I could have felt totally like a failure.

1081
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: And then I thought, Fuck, this bitch is having a

1082
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: bad day. She's taking out on me. I'm probably doing

1083
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: something she wants to be doing exactly.

1084
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 2: I would have been like, this mother fucking knows me.

1085
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,959
Speaker 2: I'm like, fuck, yeah, would you. I would have taken

1086
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 2: it as like, hey, hold on, Like I'm trying to

1087
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 2: come up in the industry. This lady has already quite

1088
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 2: a successful, you know, career, and she knows little old

1089
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 2: Lola Berry. I would have loved that. I would have

1090
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 2: gone out. I would have given her a hug and

1091
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 2: said thank you for giving giving me my next ten

1092
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 2: years of fucking motivation to like outshine you motherfucker.

1093
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: Yeah see see you come from this other space. I

1094
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: don't know what it is.

1095
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:23,439
Speaker 2: It's so good to see.

1096
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: Whereas I was just like I was really soft initially

1097
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: and then I was just like, well it taught me

1098
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: in that moment. I was like, if I don't believe

1099
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: in myself, then I'm fucked. Yeah, because I am going

1100
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: to get torn down. If it's not by her. It's

1101
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: in a meeting where they're like, you're not skinny enough

1102
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: for you. Another meeting where you get told your hair

1103
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: is not right. I remember I got told feedback like

1104
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 1: I'd done a show, a morning segment on a show,

1105
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: and they said, we're giving Lola one more chance to

1106
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: clean up her.

1107
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 2: Look.

1108
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: What was feedback from a producer and it was like,

1109
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: she has to have a perfect blow wave, she has

1110
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: to be dressed professionally. And I was like, shit, you

1111
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: kind of lose who you are along the way if

1112
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: you're not carescially, if you're not ready to look like

1113
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: that or be like that. Yeah, it was it was

1114
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: an interesting it. They're all interesting lessons and I wouldn't

1115
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:11,439
Speaker 1: change it for the world.

1116
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 2: So would you say you would tell people not to conform.

1117
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 1: No way, because then you're just going to look like

1118
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: a quick cutter, and like everybody else will be like

1119
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: everybody else, Like there are so many people in the

1120
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: health industry now though, Like if someone said to me,

1121
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: I want to write a health book, which people do,

1122
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: like once every few weeks you've been in a yoga

1123
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 1: class and some girl will walk.

1124
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 2: Up here and go, hey, I'd love to write.

1125
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,240
Speaker 1: I know I've written a book about an eating disorder.

1126
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: Can you forward it? Can you write a forward for me?

1127
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: Like this has happened half a dozen times in the

1128
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: last year, and I would now I think that that

1129
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: industry is so sad. Sorry I'm talking very loud. He's

1130
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: checking the levels. I'd say that industry is so saturate now,

1131
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: like even myself, I'm a bit over it. Like if

1132
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: you said write another recipeop book, I'd be like, really,

1133
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: there's so many out there that are so great. They

1134
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: are probably doing a better job. I probably couldn't do

1135
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: a better job. And that's one thing about where I say,

1136
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: it's a knowing. I know that there are people out

1137
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: there that are doing a better job than me and

1138
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 1: owning the health space, like to keep it cleaner.

1139
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:07,720
Speaker 2: Girls.

1140
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: They're fucking killing it, right, But they're also they're empowering

1141
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: girls with new like cookie dough ball recipes and porridge.

1142
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 2: Like.

1143
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: These guys have got their own health range. They've got

1144
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: a successful podcast, they've got books, like they're hitting that market.

1145
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: And that's why I think I am thinking more about, like, well,

1146
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: what really does make me tick? Like I don't need

1147
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: to love writing health books for the rest of my life. Yeah,

1148
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 1: you know that's given me like.

1149
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 2: Little tips in the hand. Am I getting too close

1150
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 2: to the mind aggressively louder?

1151
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: I get passionate, that's passion. You can edit it down.

1152
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: My point is there are people out there doing it

1153
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: better than me. So that's why I think, keep this

1154
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,280
Speaker 1: knowingness coming from your heart and keep chasing that fire

1155
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: in your heart. I'm about to start advanced yoga teacher training.

1156
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: I've already done the teacher to be a yoga teacher.

1157
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: This is to progress myself and to understand their more

1158
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:08,320
Speaker 1: spiritual aspect of it and to feel more confident and

1159
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 1: more well rounded as a teacher. Also doing acting school.

1160
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: Everyone probably thinks what my dad was like, oh you

1161
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 1: taking this seriously? And I was like, maybe, like who

1162
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: I'm all I'm doing is following Dama I'm following a

1163
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: feeling in my heart. I'm following a knowingness. I know

1164
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: that I love the medium of film and television. I

1165
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: know that's roll end up working most of my life.

1166
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,959
Speaker 1: But it's just like now I'm just honing my skill

1167
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: set to be more well rounded to work in those spaces.

1168
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 2: I feel like you're a little bit of a trailblazer

1169
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 2: in your field anyway, Like you were one of the

1170
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 2: first health influences and there wasn't a lot of books

1171
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 2: out when you like really started doing what you started,

1172
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 2: when you started doing you know, like writing books and

1173
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 2: being like a nutrition nurse.

1174
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, but do you know what, like I could take

1175
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 1: the credit for that, And that's very kind of you

1176
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: to say that. But Sarah will before all of us,

1177
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: the I quit sugar Chick, Sarah Wilson, who's a legend.

1178
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 1: Shout out if you ever listen to this, Sarah, I

1179
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: want to get you on here as well.

1180
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 2: I've also read your book.

1181
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: She's amazing books. So she's got so many. She's incredible.

1182
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: She's what you see is what you get. She's polarizing,

1183
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: though she walks the talk. She doesn't give a fuck

1184
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,240
Speaker 1: what people think. I really have a lot of respect

1185
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: for Sarah, but I think people forget that she's the

1186
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: one that set the tone. She started a blog before

1187
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: everyone else about quitting sugar. She started to celebrate the

1188
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: health and wellness space before I wrote a book, before

1189
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: Pete Evans wrote healthy books. You know, I think we

1190
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: forget about the original. People are like, say to you,

1191
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: you're one of the originals. I'm like, no, I'm not

1192
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 1: fucking not. Sarah Wilson. The whole reason why I started

1193
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: writing health books is because I lost heaps of weight, like,

1194
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: and my publishers were like, there's a story in how

1195
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: you lost twenty kilos. And I tell people now, don't

1196
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: listen to my weight loss tips. Like, everyone's journey is different.

1197
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 2: I think people's relationships with weight loss is very different.

1198
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 2: In their relationships with health is very different. Now. I

1199
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 2: think it's complet changed. Even the way I look at

1200
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 2: my own health and my own like how I feel

1201
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 2: in my body and stuff like that. It's completely changed.

1202
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 2: Even what eight years ago or ten years ago when

1203
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 2: you kind of started totally well.

1204
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: Now it's a mind for me. I think it's a

1205
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: more mental health. Yeah, I think it's a mental it's

1206
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: a mental and spiritual self worth now because I'm at

1207
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: that stage of my life where I'm starting to go, ah, fuck,

1208
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,959
Speaker 1: I do know who I am and I'm not willing

1209
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: to compromise that. And that's come from the yoga, the therapy,

1210
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: the hypnotherapy, the spiritual work, and the emotional and mental work.

1211
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: And I would say all weight loss now comes down

1212
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: to that first ye And it's a sense of self value.

1213
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: Whereas when I wrote my health books, it was like

1214
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: cut out the grain, cut out the sugar. And yes,

1215
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: that works on a purely functional level, but if you

1216
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: haven't done the work on your mind, you're going to binge.

1217
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: Like if I said you can never eat a piece

1218
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: of carrot cake like you deliciously had before half a

1219
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: piece with your dad. Yeah, but you would. I would

1220
00:57:58,200 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: go out and eat eight if I knew I was

1221
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: never allowed to eat that again. You know, I've got

1222
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: like so many beautiful food experiences, you know, and I

1223
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: don't want to if I was if you told me

1224
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: I couldn't enjoy those things ever again, I want to

1225
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: go and binge on them. So for me, it's a

1226
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: it's a mind game. And if I was to ever

1227
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: write about it again, it wouldn't be like eat a

1228
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: certain way, it'd be sort your shit out. And I'm

1229
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: not a qualified therapist, so I couldn't even do that

1230
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: if I wanted to.

1231
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 2: You know, I think there's definitely a story there.

1232
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: Though yeah, well, you're we're writing the next book because

1233
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: we speak, aren't we.

1234
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 2: I think it's a far more authentic kind of story.

1235
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 2: I think I'm a little bit sick of seeing these

1236
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 2: girls instagrams and health influencers and stuff and then actually

1237
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 2: not portraying but I see them out like on the weekend,

1238
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 2: doing some coke in the bathroom, not actually living like

1239
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 2: an authentic life.

1240
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: But to me, that to me to see that, because

1241
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 1: I have been in this industry for over ten years now,

1242
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: and in the media industry and in the health and

1243
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: media industry before the influencer game had a currency, you

1244
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: see the rise and fall of dickheads. You see the

1245
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: rise and fall of fake motherfuckers like you see like

1246
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember I was friends with someone that

1247
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: had gone on Master Chef and they second they came

1248
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: off Mass Chef, they thought they were eating a bit

1249
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: like so famous, and I remember I was hanging out

1250
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,479
Speaker 1: with them having breakfast and then like, see that person

1251
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: over there, and I was like, oh, yeah, he recognizes me.

1252
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 1: And I remember I felt physically sick and I went

1253
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: home and cried because it.

1254
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 2: Was so.

1255
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: Different to the way that I and for me, like

1256
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: I always say to people, if you're in it for

1257
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: the fame game, get the fuck out now, because you're

1258
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: not going to succeed. You've got to be in it

1259
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: because like for me, I love film and TV. I

1260
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: love the medium of it. I love when there's cameras going,

1261
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 1: time stops, like, I just love it. And that's why

1262
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: I'm doing acting training because I'm like, it's something.

1263
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 2: That I love. You're passionate about it more so than writing.

1264
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 2: More so.

1265
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: I'm not a natural born writer, but if it means

1266
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: that I can create something tactile that might help people,

1267
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: then I will write a book.

1268
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 2: You're very wonderful. We could talk for another hour.

1269
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: Has it been an hour?

1270
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 2: Bullshit? It's like fifty eight minutes maybe no.

1271
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, boss, I.

1272
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 2: Know the Bosso that went really quick? Didn't it so quick? Happy?

1273
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: How do you feel being an interviewer?

1274
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 2: I think I'm not bad at it. That was my

1275
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 2: first interviewing gig.

1276
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: You smash it, and now we're going to go do

1277
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: yokes together, aren't we?

1278
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 2: You know what, before we before we finish though, what's

1279
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 2: your agent's name is Rachel? Yeah?

1280
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: Right? Also Rach. Matt swallows.

1281
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 2: He's literally swallowing in Rachel. Everyone says, Matt swallows. Hashtag.

1282
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 2: Don't start that hashtag?

1283
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: You know this is going to change like a sexual jokes?

1284
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 2: Who said it was a sexual joke? A few people?

1285
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 2: Do you know?

1286
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: We're about to go to Yogan how and we are

1287
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: that couple that holds hands in chavasada.

1288
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 2: You're the girlfriend that wants to hold my hand in

1289
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 2: chavas Oh my, I've never never seen anybody hold hands

1290
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 2: in us.

1291
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: I teach yoga couples all the time. That's how you

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Speaker 1: know people are dating or bonking when no one else knows.

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Speaker 2: It's a little like touchover.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean you love it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I do like it. I like doing yoga with you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so nice. That's why it makes me wanted.

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Speaker 1: You know how tomorrow you're not staying in talking? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: not to talk about our plans. I want I got

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Speaker 1: work today, but I want to do yoga with you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: of course, yes, please well Berry, thank you so far.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for allowing me to interview you

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Speaker 1: on your own podcast. Thank you. I hope it was good.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think it was pretty good. Yeah, yeah, pretty good

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Speaker 2: or great? Pretty good or great? Maybe I can do

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Speaker 2: some am at the end.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, save that for your own podcast, mate,

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Speaker 1: thank everybody for listening in. Save that for your own podcast.

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Speaker 2: Can I interview you again one day?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? And aren't we going to do little like chats

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Speaker 1: about our guests? We can do that, yeah, like every

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Speaker 1: few every now and then.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we could do a little episode that or like

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Speaker 2: we can take Matt's take on the last like five episodes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because we've interviewed a few people.

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Speaker 2: Now you have done a few, So people get to

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Speaker 2: listen to a couple of episodes and then this might

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Speaker 2: be what episode five, maybe five or six? Yeah, exciting, Thank.

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Speaker 1: You for listening. Ps. Everyone, it's quite nerve wracking coding

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Speaker 1: something new. But hey, if we're all about full we up.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't work.

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Speaker 2: We're going to learn from a big deal. That's it.

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Speaker 2: And I think what we've learned in this whole experience

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Speaker 2: is that I sound great on a microphone.

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Speaker 1: Oh goodness, Matt has got the ego the sign of

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Speaker 1: all of Australia.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I only deal with you mat me better than

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Speaker 2: anyone else.

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Speaker 1: Like, oh, you look beautiful today, Thank you, he says,

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Speaker 1: thank you.

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Speaker 2: I say that you look beautiful all the time, not

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Speaker 2: as much as I do, yes, as which as you

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Speaker 2: do all the time. I'm hungry, boss, thank you for

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Speaker 2: the compliment. Well we can't eat because we're about to

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Speaker 2: go to the yoga starts in half an hour. Okay, okay, so,

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Speaker 2: Lula Barry, thank you very much for having me really

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Speaker 2: appreciate it on fearlessly failing. You're gonna probably do a

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Speaker 2: little intro at the start and preface this whole thing.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, maybe you'll do the intro. Oh really okay,

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Speaker 2: well we'll figure that out. But thank you very much

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Speaker 2: and big love. I love you, I love you. Bye bye,