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Speaker 1: Jersey and Amanda gem Nation from.

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Speaker 2: The Daily os She is the editor, m gillespie, Is

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Speaker 2: you are the editor? Aren't you keep making your face

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Speaker 2: when I say that? Oh, it's just you know you

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Speaker 2: haven't been demoted.

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Speaker 1: No, just imposter syndrome. I don't know. You make it

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Speaker 1: sound very important.

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Speaker 3: And then we're talking about Presidente.

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Speaker 4: It's yes, well it's actually our Presidente on the LinkedIn.

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Speaker 1: So thank you, Amanda, thank you.

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Speaker 4: We're talking today about another celebrity speaking of high status,

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Speaker 4: important people in the community.

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Speaker 1: And Hathaway is being well a little.

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Speaker 4: Bit canceled over an interview that she did twelve years ago.

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Speaker 1: She was clearly having a bad day.

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Speaker 4: It was during the sort of press junket promotion for

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Speaker 4: Le mis Le Misserable back in twenty twelve, of which,

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Speaker 4: of course, she won an oscar for. And this journalist

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Speaker 4: from Norway has resurfaced this cringe interview and it's gone viral.

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Speaker 1: Here's a little bit of it. So I was going

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Speaker 1: to ask you to do the first question in singing

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Speaker 1: can sing it to you and you can sing back

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Speaker 1: the answer. Oh I won't be doing that, but you're

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Speaker 1: mother welcome to sing here. Steve Flower from TV too,

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Speaker 1: Norway and you have speeded, okay, I'll try.

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Speaker 4: So were there any awkward moments like this on the

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Speaker 4: sets because I had to sing and talk? Do you

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Speaker 4: feel that love was more passionate back then or people

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Speaker 4: would sacrifice more for long than we do today. No,

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Speaker 4: it's the whole interview is just one word answers. She

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Speaker 4: goes on to ask her, oh, do you remember your

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Speaker 4: childhood crush the first time we had a crush, and

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Speaker 4: she says no, she clearly.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't want to be there. And I saw one word answers,

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Speaker 1: but that was twelve years ago.

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Speaker 4: It was twelve years ago, and in a kind of

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Speaker 4: unusual turn of events, her publicist has reached out to

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Speaker 4: that journalist. So her name's Kirsty Flower from Norway. She

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Speaker 4: posted that on TikTok and that's eleven million views, and

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Speaker 4: then she did a follow up video revealing that she

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Speaker 4: got this long email from Hathaway's publicist, written by Anne

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Speaker 4: Hathaway explaining what she was dealing with at the time.

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Speaker 4: She apologized apparently was this really lengthy, thoughtful response. The

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Speaker 4: journalist said that they had both decided to keep it private,

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Speaker 4: so whatever the kind of decided now to keep private

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Speaker 4: whatever she said to explain her behavior. Obviously she was

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Speaker 4: going through something. She's a famously lovely person out away we've.

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Speaker 3: Spoken to well.

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Speaker 4: Either way, it created this huge pylon and Kirsty flaher

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Speaker 4: the Norwegian journalist who shared the video. If that name

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Speaker 4: is familiar, it's because she also resurfaced the Blake Lively

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Speaker 4: video that kicked off this whole saga recently with it

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Speaker 4: ends with us that you might have heard a grab

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Speaker 4: from that where Blake Lively is pregnant and the journal

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Speaker 4: says to her like, oh, congratulations on your bump.

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Speaker 1: She says, congratulations on your bump.

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Speaker 5: And obviously not pregnant and very rude yes, And that

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Speaker 5: started a whole cascade against Blake Lively exactly.

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Speaker 2: That is this journal, maybe the Norwegians, because they're a

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Speaker 2: little bit how you say newance really when they talk

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Speaker 2: to you.

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Speaker 5: So but it's this the new thing that you can

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Speaker 5: get canceled for having an off day. It's interesting, isn't

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Speaker 5: it a number years ago reading it in of You

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Speaker 5: that was really slagging off Shirley Bassi of all people,

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Speaker 5: she had an album out and the guy was really

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Speaker 5: slagging her off and it's only afterwards I sort of

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Speaker 5: thought differently about it, because she said, I just want

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Speaker 5: to put an album out and I do publicity for it.

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Speaker 5: But they were raking over the coals of her family

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Speaker 5: had involved suicide, estrangement from the children, blah blah blah.

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Speaker 5: She said, do I have to rake over my entire

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Speaker 5: life to do an interview with you about an album?

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Speaker 2: But it's when Keith Urban came on our show and

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Speaker 2: you asked about Nicole and you just said, and you

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Speaker 2: started talking about.

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Speaker 3: How you first they met it out.

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Speaker 2: And I could tell instantly he didn't want to go

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Speaker 2: into it because he wants to talk about his tour.

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Speaker 2: He wants to talk about what he's doing. He doesn't

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Speaker 2: want to talk about his misso and that's what happened

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Speaker 2: because you've only got a finite time to talk in

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Speaker 2: these segments, so he doesn't want to bang on about

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Speaker 2: her for the most of the interviews especially.

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Speaker 4: I think TikTok's really changed the way that celebrity interviews work.

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Speaker 1: It's the long form interview has kind of died.

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Speaker 4: Unless you're ready to sit down and pick up a

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Speaker 4: glossy magazine and read a profile on someone, no one

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Speaker 4: really cares about the full thirty minute context or the

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Speaker 4: ten minute context of the chat. It's you know what's

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Speaker 4: going to make the fascinating twenty second SoundBite that's going

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Speaker 4: to go viral. And you're exactly right that you could

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Speaker 4: just be having that bad day and then it goes viral.

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Speaker 4: But the intentions of this journalists have really.

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Speaker 1: Been called into question.

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Speaker 4: Whereas after the Blake Lively moment, people were really sympathetic

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Speaker 4: and saying that was really unfair that she'd had to

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Speaker 4: copy that behavior from a celebrity, But now that she's

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Speaker 4: dug up old content a second time and recirculated that

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Speaker 4: and gone viral, things have sort of shifted where people

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Speaker 4: have come to Anne Hathaway's defect.

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Speaker 2: I'm team Hathaway on this one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. They've said, you know, she didn't do anything wrong,

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Speaker 1: she was firm in her.

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Speaker 2: Answers, and the thing was what she was doing in

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Speaker 2: that is lame. When you watch it, it's just lame,

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Speaker 2: don't you said?

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Speaker 5: You know, we've interviewed Mark Wohldberg a couple of times.

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Speaker 5: One was the best interview we've ever done, one was

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Speaker 5: the worst.

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Speaker 2: Memory flirted with you on the last one.

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Speaker 5: But it's also the same as Ashton Kutcher. You catch

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Speaker 5: people on a bad day, but you think, how you're

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Speaker 5: here to publicize a movie when they go on those

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Speaker 5: talk shows, Yeah, go on co Conan.

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Speaker 3: How old's that now? But they'll go on that stuff

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Speaker 3: Jimmy Kimmel and give give everything.

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Speaker 1: Oh they give their best exactly.

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Speaker 3: So it's frustrating when you don't get something from them.

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Speaker 4: And I'm sure for the journalists it feels awful. You

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Speaker 4: walk away and you think, oh, wow, that was my

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Speaker 4: hero when I met them, and they.

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Speaker 1: Were awful to me.

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Speaker 4: But you know, in the context of that famous person's day,

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Speaker 4: they might have three hours of it that's exactly rive

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Speaker 4: minute block.

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Speaker 3: So I forgive them for that. That's absolutely right.

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Speaker 4: I think we've just got to be a little bit

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Speaker 4: more forgiving. Ask ourselves, Okay, what's the broader context of this?

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Speaker 4: What else have they done? If you know, loads and

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Speaker 4: loads of interviews come out and we start to think,

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Speaker 4: all right, this person doesn't know how to treat people

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Speaker 4: in the media, or they don't know how to do

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Speaker 4: their job well, or they're not very nice. Then you

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Speaker 4: get a reputation. Yeah, sure, it's worth calling into question.

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Speaker 4: But I think you know one TikTok that shows Anne

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Speaker 4: Hathaway having a little bit yeah bad mood.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I forgive her.

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Speaker 2: That's why I stick with what do you think of

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Speaker 2: Australia so far?

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Speaker 3: Because that doesn't take up any time in an.

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Speaker 2: Interview if Urban comes into what do you think of

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Speaker 2: Australia so far?

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Speaker 3: This is your first time here?

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Speaker 2: Do you like Australia?

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Speaker 3: But are you gonna live here?

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Speaker 1: I think some Yanks would think you were saying sofa.

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Speaker 1: They won't understand you.

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Speaker 3: Jd Vance, he's ad prick up.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, you big editor machine. You m lest from

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Speaker 2: the Daily Oz