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Speaker 1: As we've heard, CLP President Lawson Broad has quit the

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Speaker 1: party over the party's decision to oppose an Aboriginal and

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Speaker 1: torres straight Islander voice to Parliament. Now, mister Broad told

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Speaker 1: sky News that he had resigned from his position and

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Speaker 1: well given up his COLP membership after the party passed

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Speaker 1: a resolution last month to oppose the Voice. Joining me

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Speaker 1: on the line is the person who broke this story,

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Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham from Sky News. Good morning to you, Matt,

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Speaker 1: gooday will be How are you not too bad? Matt?

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Speaker 1: Tell us what exactly has happened here?

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Speaker 2: Well, we know the last month the COLP passed that

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Speaker 2: resolution to formally oppose the Voice to Parliament. In fact,

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Speaker 2: there were several branches that put forward motions saying that

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Speaker 2: the CLB should oppose the voice, and they did pass

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Speaker 2: that resolution at Central Council. Monk Now, as a consequence

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Speaker 2: of that, All abroad has told me that he has

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Speaker 2: resigned from not only his position as President of the COLP,

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Speaker 2: but he's resigned from the party all together.

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Speaker 3: It says that he can't reconcile that position that was

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Speaker 3: passed by the parliament by the COLP at the Central

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Speaker 3: Parliament at Central.

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Speaker 2: Council meeting, sorry O Katie last month with his own

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Speaker 2: personal views. He says in that statement his personal views

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Speaker 2: that these positions passed bay the c P last month

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Speaker 2: are offensive to a large number of Aboriginal people in

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Speaker 2: the Northern Territory and the population more generally. They seek

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Speaker 2: to undermine decades of successive and evolving efforts on both

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Speaker 2: sides of politics to empower Aboriginal people and communities through

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Speaker 2: recognition of language, culture and law. By their nature, they

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Speaker 2: have the potential to furthering trench Aboriginal disadvantage and they

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Speaker 2: create opportunity to be interpreted as racist.

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Speaker 1: Well so, Matt, I mean, is this really going to

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Speaker 1: send the party into a state of disarray or what's

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Speaker 1: it going to mean for the CLP from your perspective,

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Speaker 1: we are I mean, we're just days out from a

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Speaker 1: by election. Let's not forget for our referra.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the time is not great. You'd have to say,

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Speaker 2: look to see the CLP is being divided over this issue, Katie.

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Speaker 2: You know, even after that resolution was passed last month,

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Speaker 2: the CLP leader here in the nt Leaf and Achiaro

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Speaker 2: and other members of the parliamentary wing were saying that

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Speaker 2: they were still supporting the Voice. They say they want

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Speaker 2: more details on this issue. I think it is it

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Speaker 2: is giving a bit of a gift to the Labor

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Speaker 2: Party though, I mean, you talk about that are if

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Speaker 2: you're a by election been five days away, I think

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Speaker 2: you can debt. You know, we don't have build a

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Speaker 2: landhouse a strong supporter of the Voice to Parliament, and

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that the Labor Party will have its offer.

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Speaker 2: It is out in the bush on the TeV Island

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Speaker 2: and in Manning Greta using this issue to push its

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Speaker 2: case against the COLP. I've spoken to other people within

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Speaker 2: the CLP who've had concerns that it could be a

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Speaker 2: costly issue for them or a difficult issue, and seeks

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Speaker 2: like Mamatura and Barclays family hold by a handful of votes.

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Speaker 2: So you know, whatever your position on the Voice, I

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Speaker 2: think it's pretty clear the CLP got itself into a

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Speaker 2: bit of a mess of the tone making on this issue.

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Speaker 1: Matt, we did just ask the Chief ministeron Natasha Files

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Speaker 1: about this situation. She says that leofan Occhiaro's position is untenable.

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Speaker 1: I guess you'd expect her to say that given that

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Speaker 1: it is the opposition. But it's certainly an interesting situation

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Speaker 1: that the opposition leader Leof and Ochiro now finds herself in.

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Speaker 2: It is and I'm sure it's a position she'd rather

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Speaker 2: not be in the first way. And there's a bit

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Speaker 2: it is going on in the Federal Parliament as well.

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Speaker 2: You know, the Nationals have taken a position opposing the voice.

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Speaker 2: The Liberal Party and the Opposition leader Peter Dutton are

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Speaker 2: still taking the same position that Leschiaro is taking at

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Speaker 2: the moment, which is to say that look, we're not

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Speaker 2: opposed to this necessarily, but we won't be more detail,

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Speaker 2: but it's clear that there are divisions within the Conservative

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Speaker 2: side of politics over this issue. Yeah, I was interesting.

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Speaker 2: Natasha pav said a similar thing at a press conference

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Speaker 2: she held this morning. Katie, if he actually certainly gets

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Speaker 2: an extra spring in a step when you gets a

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Speaker 2: to have an impact in the ARA if you're a

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Speaker 2: by election. I don't know, but the timing is not

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Speaker 2: great today. It's going to be an interesting by election

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Speaker 2: this weekend. There's some pretty interesting comments from Ralph garrettson

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Speaker 2: you in the nteen years this morning as well about

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Speaker 2: that by election, and he's saying later it would be

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Speaker 2: in a bit of trouble. Is he's saying that there'll

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Speaker 2: be a record load turnout at this by election because

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Speaker 2: of both the weather and the fact that it's a

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Speaker 2: to watch. There's a lot of stake for both leaders.

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Speaker 2: I think I think both Patasha files Alys and Offiro

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Speaker 2: won't have a very a very fun Monday if they

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're spot on, and we are going

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Speaker 1: to catch up with Professor Rolph Gerretts and this morning

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Speaker 1: just after ten o'clock and speak a little bit more

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Speaker 1: about that. I think what will also be interesting is

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Speaker 1: my understanding is that Mann and Greta often well, I

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Speaker 1: believe at the last but the last election had quite

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Speaker 1: a low voter turnout, and that is of course where

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Speaker 1: the ALP's candidate is from. Not one hundred percent sure

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Speaker 1: you know in terms of the CLP, whether they're expecting

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Speaker 1: a high voter turnout then on the Tiwei Islands or

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Speaker 1: exactly what's going to go on. But Matt, it's always

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Speaker 1: a bit hard to tell. Isn't it when you talk

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Speaker 2: It certainly is I any other issue though with laph

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Speaker 2: and Broad's resignation, I think Katie is the other interesting factor.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you go back to twenty twelve when there

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Speaker 2: was the Bush revolved against the Labor Party and picked

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Speaker 2: up all of those Bush seats, including Arrafura. You know,

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Speaker 2: one of the key architects of that wing was Lawson Board.

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Speaker 2: You know, he has a song relationship with Aboriginal people

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Speaker 2: as well and helped run that campaign by yinge of

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Speaker 2: Euler and Ian Gumblow who almost won the seat of

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Speaker 2: Arnhem from Labor at the last election. So you know,

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Speaker 2: they probably lose a key strategist when it comes to

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Speaker 2: Bush with Lawson Board resigning from the party. I mean

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Speaker 2: a difficult thing to work out sometimes how people in

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Speaker 2: the Bush vote and what causes them to vote one

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Speaker 2: way or an up or another. But laws have certainly

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Speaker 2: someone who I think has had the ability over a

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Speaker 2: long time to really know how to campaign in the Bush.

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Speaker 1: Matt any idea who is now going to step in

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Speaker 1: in that president's role? Do we have any idea at

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Speaker 1: this point, I couldn't tell.

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Speaker 2: You, to be honest, Katie. That's the matter that the

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Speaker 2: CLP is going to have to deal with now. I

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Speaker 2: haven't had any discussion with anyone about who the new

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Speaker 2: president might be, but obviously on the lookout for one. Now.

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Speaker 1: It is very interesting times. And you know, just when

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Speaker 1: you sort of think that the CLP is on their

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Speaker 1: road to recovery after what had been tumultuous few years

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Speaker 1: for them, you know there's another own goal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a bit of a challenge ahead of them now,

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Speaker 2: no doubt, Katie. An interesting timing as well. So all

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Speaker 2: eyes on Saturday in this violence.

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Speaker 1: I reckon. So it'll be.

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Speaker 2: They taking the right the wrong one.

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Speaker 1: It'll be interesting times, indeed, Matt Cunningham, always good to

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Speaker 1: catch up with you, mate, Thanks so much for your

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Speaker 1: time this morning. Thank you.