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Speaker 1: os Oh, now it makes sense. Good morning and welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Daily Odds. It's Tuesday, the first July. Happy

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Speaker 1: new financial Year. I'm Lucy Tassel.

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Speaker 2: I'm Sam Cauzluski.

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Speaker 1: Over the weekend, Britain's biggest music festival, Glastonbury, was held

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Speaker 1: on a farm in southwest England. This year's edition made

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Speaker 1: more headlines than usual due to a pair of acts

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Speaker 1: Irish rap group Kneecap and English punk pair Bob Villain.

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Speaker 1: Kneecap's inclusion on the lineup was already newsworthy due to

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Speaker 1: one of its members facing a terrorism related charge, while

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Speaker 1: Bob Villain sparked a discussion by calling for quote death

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Speaker 1: today's show, we'll break down the conversation around the two performances,

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Speaker 1: the government's reaction, and a woman named Helen from.

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Speaker 2: And Lucy. The first thing to say before we get

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Speaker 2: into this, as I'm sure listeners could already identify, is

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Speaker 2: Some heartwarming moments Lewis Capaldi returning to stage two years

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Speaker 2: lot of footage of the performance by punk duo Bob Villain.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Talk me through what happened to that set.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll start by saying that the reason we saw

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Speaker 1: And I mention all of this because the DBC broadcasts

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Speaker 1: when Bob Villain took the stage this duo, I should

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Speaker 1: That meant that when they took the stage to perform

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Speaker 1: vocalist Bobby Villain when he says them lads, and that

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Speaker 3: I wish they'd take the violence of their own citizens

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 1: Streeting was referring there to Israeli settlers in the West

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Speaker 1: according to Palestinian health authorities. Israeli settlements in the West

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Speaker 2: I think what's interesting about this story is that the

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Speaker 2: story is grounded in a music festival, a very popular

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Speaker 2: music festival, but it's quickly become a story about international politics,

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Speaker 2: international war, international law, and this link between the arts

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Speaker 2: even on some of the biggest stages in the world. So,

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Speaker 2: just to reiterate, at the moment, there hasn't been official

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Speaker 2: charges laid the time of recording. No, okay, thank you

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Speaker 2: Lucy for taking us through that. A complicated incident, but

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Speaker 2: one worth talking about. And that's how we've got from

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Speaker 2: the afternoon with your headlines. Until then, have a great day.

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