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Speaker 1: And joining me in the studio to tell us a

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Speaker 1: little bit more about how it all went. Is the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territories Electoral Commissioner in Logan, Nathan. Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Ian, Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: And obviously another by election on the weekend, the waters

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Speaker 1: Ward by election, and it does look as though Kim

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Speaker 1: Farrer is out in front three thousand and eight votes

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Speaker 1: leading Gary Haslett and Robin Lawrence. That was as of

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Speaker 1: counting on Saturday night. How is that counting going? Is

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Speaker 1: it all done?

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Speaker 2: And dust it?

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Speaker 3: What happens today, Katie, is that we recheck all the

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Speaker 3: votes that were counted on Saturday. As you know, people

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Speaker 3: have worked all day and then they're counting at night.

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Speaker 3: Mistakes happen, so they rechecked today and then at the

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Speaker 3: end of the week we will just count the postals

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Speaker 3: that have been received during the week. But as you

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Speaker 3: said before, Kim Farrer is in front by a significant margin.

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Speaker 1: Now it looks as though once again a pretty low

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Speaker 1: voter turnout was it.

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Speaker 3: Look at the moment it's a it's forty eight point

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Speaker 3: three percent. It'll go up slightly as we get a

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Speaker 3: few more additional postal votes. Probably somewhere around fifty percent,

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Speaker 3: which is Look, it's pretty similar to what we had

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty at about fifty two percent.

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Speaker 2: But really it's nothing to celebrate.

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Speaker 3: If we're struggling to get half the people to turn

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Speaker 3: certainly we really need to have a think about some

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Speaker 3: other possibilities. We have been doing some work looking at

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Speaker 3: what other jurisdictions do, and you know, and they really

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Speaker 3: had a look at, you know, what are the options

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Speaker 3: besides by elections for local government. And you know in

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Speaker 3: New South Wales and in Tasmania, in Victoria and in

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Speaker 3: Queensland they do have like a partial countback system. So

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Speaker 3: that means that you don't have to go to a

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Speaker 3: by election if you know, if the council basically agrees

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Speaker 3: at the start of their term that look what we

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Speaker 3: will do is will we will use a countback system. Look,

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Speaker 3: there's a lot to digest here.

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Speaker 1: So what would that mean that you don't then have

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Speaker 1: a by election. Whoever was sort of you know, just

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's like, that's the options that's used in Queensland.

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Speaker 2: What they say is that you have the option for

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Speaker 2: the first twelve.

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Speaker 3: Months of a new council and then after that you

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Speaker 3: need to go to a by election. What we have

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Speaker 3: in the Northern Territory is that in the last eighteen

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Speaker 3: months before a general election you don't have to go

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Speaker 3: to a by election.

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Speaker 2: Councils have that option.

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Speaker 3: So there's a whole lot of things to consider here

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Speaker 3: in terms of it, and certainly we would have to

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Speaker 3: have discussions with Legant, we would have to have discussions

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Speaker 3: with councils and you know, what's important to remember it's

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Speaker 3: Parliament that makes electoral law, not the Electoral Mision. But

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Speaker 3: certainly these are things that we are pondering, and you know,

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Speaker 3: we have the option to put options to the government

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Speaker 3: about possible reforms in this area.

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Speaker 1: And so you pretty disappointed, you know, as the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territories Electoral Commissioner, are you pretty disappointed by the weekends turnouts?

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Speaker 3: Look, I mean the answer to your question is yes,

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Speaker 3: but probably more disappointing. Part of that answer is probably

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Speaker 3: it was what was expected in terms of what we've

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Speaker 3: We certainly expected to turn out much higher there. But

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Speaker 3: certainly I think there needs to be a good hard

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Speaker 3: look in relation to local government and you know, what

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Speaker 3: are the possible options that really could be considered and.

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Speaker 1: So in from your perspective, now what work will you

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Speaker 1: get underway with. Obviously you're already taking a look at

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Speaker 3: Look, you look, absolutely we'd be working with Legant in

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Speaker 3: And then and then and then exactly right, you know

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Speaker 3: the Local Government Act that would be considered by Parliament.

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Speaker 3: So you know, we've got well, you know, three years

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Speaker 3: more complicated with the regional councils because you don't really

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Speaker 3: countbacks may be more difficult there. And you know, these

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Speaker 3: in terms that you know, the regional councils have different

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Speaker 3: issues and we we'd have to sit down with their

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Speaker 3: representatives and legans in terms of what are the options

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Speaker 1: So do you think that you could be in a

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Speaker 2: Look, we write a report after each.

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Speaker 3: Local government election and certainly we'd be looking to canvass

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Speaker 3: this issues there. And you know, like I said, there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of work to do beforehand, which is to

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Speaker 3: have discussions with Legan And you know we've already started

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Speaker 3: having those discussions in because you know this is this

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Speaker 3: isn't just an issue in relation to waters Ward. You

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Speaker 3: know this has been an issue for some time and

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Speaker 3: particularly an issue at regional councils.

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Speaker 2: So and you know, and you know that's.

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Speaker 3: The that's the first step and basically sort of see

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Speaker 3: what councils think, and I think what's really important in

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Speaker 3: these possible options is that that council's ultimately decide, you know,

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Speaker 3: that they decide at their first meeting whether this is

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Speaker 3: for them or not for them, because we certainly don't

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Speaker 3: want to take away their rights. But then on the

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Speaker 3: other hand, a Katie is the electoral commissioner, you know,

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Speaker 3: not really keen to erode democratic rights. So you know

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Speaker 3: that that really has to be balanced.

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Speaker 1: It certainly does, and you know this is I guess

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Speaker 1: this is the really frustrating partner. The thing that I

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Speaker 1: in other countries, people die for the right to vote.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I can't wrap my head around that.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're actually we live in such a lucky

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Speaker 1: You know, there are countries where women still can't vote.

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Speaker 2: I struggle with it.

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Speaker 1: I grapple with it because I think, no matter how

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Speaker 1: we should all be doing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, it's certainly an issue that I have pondered, Katie,

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Speaker 3: And you know, I think a lot of it comes

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Speaker 3: for granted. So look, you know, my message to territories

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Speaker 3: in an informed way. You know, that certainly hasn't changed.

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Speaker 3: But in relation to local government, Look, you know, I

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Speaker 3: understand that you know, there's there's been quite a few elections,

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Speaker 3: if you don't know who's who's who are the candidates

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Speaker 3: certainly you can find out a little bit of information

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Speaker 3: about them. And look, ultimately, democracies that you make a

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Speaker 3: choice of the people in front of you, and those

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Speaker 3: your obligation as a territorian is to cast your vote

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Speaker 3: and that's how democracy works, right, But it doesn't mean

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Speaker 3: it can't be tinking around the edges as long as

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Speaker 3: you know that we don't erode the rights of territories

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Speaker 2: You know they understand the importance of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Ian, before I let you go, just very quickly.

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Speaker 1: So the process now for this by election. Obviously there

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Speaker 1: is going to be a recheck of the count today

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Speaker 1: and then you know when will we sort of have

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Speaker 1: that final count.

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Speaker 3: Look, what you will have is you want to have

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Speaker 3: a final count until all the postal votes are in

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Speaker 3: and that's not going to be for a fortnight, So

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Speaker 3: that's when we'll have the final figures. But it's very

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Speaker 3: clear on the result, on the numbers, what the result

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Speaker 3: is going to be. And then we'll just work with

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Speaker 3: the City of Darwin to have a declaration for Kim

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Speaker 3: Farah to be declared the winner of that election. What

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Speaker 3: I also should say in relation to Fanny Bay is

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Speaker 3: that we'll be returning the writ today to the administrator

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Speaker 3: because the number of outstanding postal votes can't change the result.

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Speaker 3: With Parliament sitting tomorrow, just makes sense that the rit

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Speaker 3: gets returned to today and mister Potter can represent the

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Speaker 3: Division of Fanny Bay in Parliament this week.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that will get returned to the administrator today.

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Speaker 2: That's correct.

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Speaker 1: Well, Ian Logan Nathan, the Northern Territories Electoral Commissioner. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time this morning, Thanks so much for coming

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Speaker 1: in and having a chat with us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Katie,