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Speaker 1: My name is Mark Mariana. I'm a storyteller on Find

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Speaker 1: and Tell. I'm Filipino and live on direc Land. I'd

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Speaker 1: like to recognize the traditional custodians of this continent whose

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Speaker 1: land was stolen nearly two hundred and fifty years ago,

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Speaker 1: in particular the Cama, Eagle and Ruanderie people whose land

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Speaker 1: this podcast was recorded on. And we extend our respect

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Speaker 1: to all Aboriginal and Torrest Street Islander peoples. The rich

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Speaker 1: storytelling history of the world's oldest living culture is what

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Speaker 1: we pay homage to when we tell our stories on

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Speaker 1: Find and Tell.

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Speaker 2: Hello, I'm Jamilla Risby and this is Find and Tell,

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Speaker 2: the search for the next generation of Australian storytellers. Today

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Speaker 2: we are going to say goodbye to two of our storytellers.

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Speaker 2: When I first met Mark, Naan, Ben and Kate, they

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Speaker 2: were full of ideas and excitement and a lot of nerves.

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Speaker 2: But since then they have each made some genuinely excellent stories.

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Speaker 2: And all this from four people who had never made

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Speaker 2: an audio story before. Mark is a writer, Naan works

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Speaker 2: in TV news, Kate's a visual artist and Ben Well.

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Speaker 2: Ben told me that before this his only experience making

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Speaker 2: anything was when he posted selfies on Instagram. A huge

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Speaker 2: congratulations to each of them and props to their willingness

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Speaker 2: to listen and to learn, guided by the producers here

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Speaker 2: at iHeart Australia. But we have not finished yet. Mark

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Speaker 2: and Ben each have a story still to share, so

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Speaker 2: let's not wait any longer. Today's theme is odd one Out.

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Speaker 2: Let's hear from Mark, knowing this could be his final story. Mark,

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Speaker 2: welcome back to find and tell.

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Speaker 1: Hi, how are you?

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Speaker 2: It's good to have you today. Today your theme is

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Speaker 2: odd one Out?

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Speaker 3: For you?

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Speaker 2: Was this one where you had to go away and reflect?

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Speaker 2: Or did you know immediately the story you were going

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: I definitely knew. Like going into it, I was like, yeap,

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Speaker 1: being an odd one out is about being an outsider.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I've sat outside of so many so

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Speaker 1: outside of so many communities, thankfully outside so that I

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Speaker 1: can enter new ones. But you know, as someone who's Filipino,

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Speaker 1: as someone who is big bodied and body positive and

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Speaker 1: someone who's queer, I sit outside of so many communities,

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Speaker 1: but relish in the ones that I do have and

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Speaker 1: can create, And so I definitely wanted to approach that

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Speaker 1: and use that approach in this episode. I'm hoping it

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Speaker 1: came through.

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Speaker 2: This could be we don't know yet. This could be

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Speaker 2: your final story. It's the third one you've created for

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Speaker 2: us so far. Does How does that feel when you

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Speaker 2: sort of look back at the journey so far?

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Speaker 1: It has been so incredibly fun. Like I signed up

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Speaker 1: for this project to really challenge myself, to really push

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Speaker 1: myself outside of my comfort zone, and I did the

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Speaker 1: exactly that. The point where I wouldn't change a thing,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't change a thing, whatever fumble, whatever mistake, whatever

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Speaker 1: missed up I took throughout this whole process with these

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Speaker 1: three episodes, I'm going to accept them as they are,

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Speaker 1: and I'm excited. I'm so excited.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited too. Let's hear it. This is your third

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Speaker 2: contribution to Find and Tell, and it's around the theme

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Speaker 2: of odd one Out.

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Speaker 3: Hi.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted a double check. What was the largest

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Speaker 1: size you had in this shirt? I think extra large

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Speaker 1: was the largest. Sickon Farmers said, I double check. As

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Speaker 1: a big boy, my fashion options are mind the pun

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Speaker 1: Okay, cool, all good? Well I was after two X,

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Speaker 1: but if that's not available, I'm often relegated to Low's

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Speaker 1: or Kmart's big boy section, which usually means I have

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Speaker 1: two choices. Hawaiian shirt or vintage American motorway. Don't get

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Speaker 1: me wrong, loses fab but sixty trucky jest isn't my

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Speaker 1: personal asthetic, at least not yet. I've been chubbing my

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Speaker 1: whole life. I'm convinced my baby fat is still floating

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Speaker 1: around somewhere, perhaps in my left fly. When I grew

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Speaker 1: in store shopping altogether. I also got really tired of

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Speaker 1: went to the mall with my friends. I will acknowledge

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Speaker 1: when something I thought was my size doesn't fit right?

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Speaker 1: Or what if it looks a certain way in the

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Speaker 1: don't feel like contributing to tons of phost fashion waste.

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Speaker 1: I know the solution isn't always clear, but there's at

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna handle this, Mike, Let's see if it's I

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Speaker 1: think it's all set on properly. Look good here, Oh gorgeous,

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Speaker 1: thank you, that's nice and clear. Enter Radically Soft, founded

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Speaker 1: by Fatty duo Tests and Cribs. Radically Soft is Sydney's

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Speaker 1: very first plus size clothing collective. This revolutionary movement aims

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Speaker 1: to serve the many fatties who struggle to find fashionable,

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Speaker 1: affordable and sustainable clothing. They run thrift markets exclusively seeking

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Speaker 1: and selling secondhand clothing sized sixteen to thirty and up.

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Speaker 1: As a society, we're at a stage where we can

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Speaker 1: both start and continue plus size clothing cycles and lifetimes.

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Speaker 1: And radically Soft is here to host and help for Tests.

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Speaker 1: Their motive and their purpose was crystal clear.

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Speaker 4: I think we just saw that there wasn't anything here

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Speaker 4: like that and we wanted to be able to shop

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Speaker 4: as fat people and have fat community.

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Speaker 1: Community is at the core of this venture, and for

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Speaker 1: co founder Cribs, this defiant movement was also an act

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Speaker 1: of self love to create a space that didn't exist

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Speaker 1: for her and people like her.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I've been wanting just to find a place where

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Speaker 5: I could find clothes irl like in person, I mean,

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Speaker 5: it was probably a little bit selfish of me, but

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Speaker 5: also I was like, why don't we try and build

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Speaker 5: on the community that is here now and contribute to that.

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Speaker 1: I've been to one of their markets and the second

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Speaker 1: I entered, an immediate wave of relief came over me.

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Speaker 1: I was overwhelmed by choice, a feeling I've never experienced

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Speaker 1: before in a regular store. There were racks upon racks

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Speaker 1: of CUE clothing, all in my size, Like can you believe?

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Speaker 1: Like is this real? Radically Soft have made that shopping

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Speaker 1: experience a little bit more safe, easier, and more comfortable

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Speaker 1: for fat bodies. Co founder Test wants Radically Soft to

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Speaker 1: be more than just a market movement and a declaration,

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Speaker 1: one that celebrates and empowers bodies that sit outside the

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Speaker 4: With radically Solved, I think that all fat bodies are

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Speaker 4: radically solved. I think that in a world that actively

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Speaker 4: encourages anti fat bias and fat phobia, like just existing

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Speaker 4: really doing that. And I think to see I fat

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Speaker 4: people be joyful is just really like a real big

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Speaker 4: fuck you to the mainstream.

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Speaker 5: Really just the act of wanting to create this project

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Speaker 5: was I think an act of radicalism in itself and

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Speaker 1: For the longest time, fat and fashionable were two very

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Speaker 1: mutually exclusive terms. In the early two thousands, supermodel Kate

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Speaker 1: Moss's mantra nothing tastes as good as skinny feels mirror

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Speaker 1: the heroin cheek fashion era of that time with a

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Speaker 1: center of each fashion trend, and in this raging war

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Speaker 1: of weight, the very fashionable test is on the front line,

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Speaker 1: challenging and changing perceptions of fatness and fashion.

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Speaker 4: I feel like fashion to me is a way to

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Speaker 4: express who I am, but it also leans most likely

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Speaker 4: always being the best stress of the room and know

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Speaker 4: what acknowledging you. And I don't think that people that

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Speaker 4: aren't fat understand the experience of like trawling through oline stores,

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Speaker 4: to find fashion as a plus sized person, and I

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Speaker 4: think people should put some respects on us when we

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Speaker 1: Not to toot my own horn, but I think I

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Speaker 1: when you're dealing with mainstream markets that don't acknowledge body diversity,

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Speaker 1: it just becomes harder and harder to shop.

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Speaker 5: Don't even get me started on shopping online. For some reason,

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Speaker 1: Like why, what should be an empowering and fun experience

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Speaker 5: I just feel like that's also isolating, Like I just

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Speaker 5: don't understand why they all can't be together.

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Speaker 5: I also kind of feels like it's hidden, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: For Tess, who grew up in the States, the traumatic

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Speaker 1: fat shopping experience is one they still carry even today.

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Speaker 4: You go to the department store, you go to jas Pennies,

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Speaker 4: and there's always like when you're a kid, you go

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Speaker 4: into like the kids section, but because I was a

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Speaker 4: I hate all of it. It's like business attire for

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Speaker 4: other size. And I think that those experiences as a kid,

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Speaker 4: I can't shop here. We made this for fat people

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Speaker 4: to shop, and I am like looking around and I'm like,

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Speaker 4: I still can't get anything because of that lifelong trauma

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Speaker 4: of having to go places of being like, is my

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Speaker 4: And I think that that is just so telling of

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Speaker 4: the fat experience, especially when you've like grown up fat. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's very isolating.

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Speaker 1: It's a bit of an odd thing to say, but

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Speaker 1: feeling left out. There's still such a long way to go,

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Speaker 1: and as fatties, we never feel one hundred percent comfortable

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Speaker 1: in store are on site. However, in the meantime, here

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Speaker 1: are three ways you can be radically soft with yourself.

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Speaker 1: Number one, redefining what the word fat means and reworking

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Speaker 1: the concept of fatness in your head makes a massive

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Speaker 1: difference to how you approach your style and your fashion.

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Speaker 4: I feel like my fatness is in a place now

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Speaker 4: where I am so joyful and being fat. I know

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Speaker 4: that there's a lot of things that society puts on

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Speaker 4: us that is negative about being fat, but now in

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Speaker 4: my life, I am like, I love floating, I love

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Speaker 4: being in the water. I love being able to give

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Speaker 4: warm hugs to my friends, and like embracing my friends

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Speaker 4: in that joyful way, Like I just see fatness as

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Speaker 4: being so beautiful and so sacred.

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Speaker 1: Number two, surround yourself with fat babes, whether that be

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Speaker 1: in real life or online. Fill your feeds with people

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Speaker 1: with a diverse range of body types and shapes. Where

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Speaker 1: no shortage of fat fashionistas on TikTok and Instagram. I

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Speaker 1: know it's easy to get lost in the standards set

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Speaker 5: I don't want to say I'm like at full like

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Speaker 7: I got your babe, Ditto, Mark.

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Speaker 2: Mark, you should be proud of yourself. You have shared

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Speaker 2: This is Fine and Tell and this week's theme is

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Speaker 6: Yes, thanks again for having me. I'm happy to be here.

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Speaker 6: Do you mind if I pick a ear for a

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Speaker 3: Too, wellness, clinic, can you hold the line please?

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Speaker 6: Yet not a problem. Just to clarify, the voice you're

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Ubuntu, Wellness, This is Carol. How can I

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Speaker 2: Hi?

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Speaker 3: Carol? My name is Ben.

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Speaker 6: I was wondering if Karen Burge was available, Uh, not.

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Speaker 3: Right at this moment? Can I leave a message for there? Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Can you just let her know that Ben called guard now.

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Speaker 6: I was contacting you in regard to doing a story

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, I'd been more than happy to sit down

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Speaker 6: Oh really? Okay, yeah, it's not a complete show that

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Speaker 6: much heat. Right, Okay, but I'm only ten minutes away.

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Speaker 6: I'd figure if I could just get face to face

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Speaker 6: change your mind. Well, I'm just around the corner on

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Speaker 6: I should be there in a couple of minutes and

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Speaker 6: I'll see you then.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Karen, All right, thanks, thanks Ben, Thanks boy.

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Speaker 6: I arrive at the church. The front is boarded off,

442
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Speaker 6: so I go through the side entrance into their wellness center.

443
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Speaker 6: A step inside. Yep, this place smells like weed, hemp oils,

444
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 6: hemp creams, hemp soaps, hemp honeys, hempalm, hemp nectar for dogs.

445
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Speaker 6: The list goes on. Karen introduces herself as the vice

446
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Speaker 6: president of the church and the manager of the health clinic.

447
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Speaker 6: We sit down and chat over a cup of tea. Immediately,

448
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Speaker 6: I feel like I'm being treated with suspicion. Why are

449
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 6: you doing this? Who are you here for? What do

450
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Speaker 6: you want to know? What's the story about? After forty

451
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Speaker 6: five minutes of interrogation, Karen agrees to be interviewed the

452
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Speaker 6: following week, but only if she receives a copy of

453
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Speaker 6: the questions beforehand a bit of a red flag. But

454
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Speaker 6: if that's what it takes to get this story over

455
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Speaker 6: the line, I'll do it. So the day of the

456
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Speaker 6: interviews here, Karen's received my questions, and after breaking the

457
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Speaker 6: ice of her last week, I'm feeling confident about going

458
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Speaker 6: into today until no, no, no, not again, Hi Ben, Sorry,

459
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Speaker 6: I won't be able to have the interview today. It's

460
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Speaker 6: just not the right time. Apologies Karen, the audacity, the

461
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Speaker 6: indecency that Hi Ben. Is it possible to do two

462
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Speaker 6: pm Wednesday instead? Nikki another one of the founders, can

463
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Speaker 6: be here too, Carrot huh hy caring. Yes, it works

464
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Speaker 6: for me. Thank you so much for your response. I'll

465
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Speaker 6: see you two pm Wednesday. Con regards Ben, and straight

466
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 6: away I was just back to cloud nine again. I

467
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 6: was like yes, I was like, they've changed their mind. Hello, Ben,

468
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,239
Speaker 6: I've had a meeting with our management team and I

469
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 6: feel as though we are not in a position to

470
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Speaker 6: talk on any of these questions right now. Sorry to

471
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 6: miss you around. We would be in a better position

472
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 6: to talk in a month or so if you'd like

473
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Speaker 6: to try again. Then that was like the moment where

474
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Speaker 6: I wanted to flip flip the table. If there was

475
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Speaker 6: a table, I would have flipped it. Yeah, it was

476
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Speaker 6: a yes, So then I no, and then yes. I'd

477
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Speaker 6: put myself out there. I'd cold called. I'd created rapport

478
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 6: of strangers even after I was told no. The first time,

479
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 6: I managed to salvage a sliver of hope, only to

480
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 6: have it crash and burn in the eleventh hour. I

481
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 6: told my producer what happened. He called me up and said,

482
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Speaker 6: you've got two options. Either start from scratch on a

483
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Speaker 6: whole new story. We'll try and find a story within this. No,

484
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Speaker 6: I don't think so. Men, you know who's going to

485
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 6: want to hear me talk about my problems? This is

486
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Speaker 6: me talking through the idea of my producer. You know,

487
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 6: we've all gone through struggles these last couple of weeks,

488
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 6: and everyone else pulled out stories out of their hat,

489
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 6: whereas me, What am I going to talk about? I'm

490
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 6: going to talk about my failure. But I'll be honest,

491
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 6: like I'm I'm I'm worried about releasing all of these stories,

492
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 6: you know, because I've been burnt in the past by

493
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 6: you know, people who just want to bring you down,

494
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 6: and if you try something new, and you step outside

495
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 6: of your comfort zone and you try to be creative,

496
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 6: and then someone shits on it and they bring you down.

497
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Speaker 6: I'm scared to kind of be on the receiving end

498
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Speaker 6: of all that sort of stuff. But if people are

499
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Speaker 6: going to judge me for it, and if people are

500
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Speaker 6: going to have something to say about it, fuck them.

501
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Speaker 6: I liked the idea of being able to bring a

502
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 6: realness to storytelling and explain that things don't always go

503
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 6: to plan, you know, just like in life. And I

504
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 6: think I've got to give myself a little bit of

505
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 6: credit because I've never done anything like this before as well,

506
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 6: so you know, what's the saying out of the frying

507
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 6: pan into the furnace. I would love to be a

508
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 6: voice for somebody who's going to do this in the future,

509
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 6: Like if there's a season two Will Find and Tell

510
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 6: and someone wants to listen to this episode, you know

511
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 6: it's going to give them a bit of an idea

512
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 6: to say, oh, actually no, this this is a normal feeling.

513
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 6: This is not abnormal. This is the process. Like anybody

514
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 6: else that wants to do this in the future, if

515
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 6: you feel like I did, someone that's like, hey, I've

516
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 6: got no idea, what I'm doing, what you're feeling. Trust me,

517
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 6: You're not alone because this is what I did. This

518
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 6: is how I failed, and this is how we still

519
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 6: created something with it.

520
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Speaker 2: Ben, you went through a whole rollercoaster of emotions making

521
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Speaker 2: that one, didn't you?

522
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Speaker 7: I did?

523
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Speaker 6: Yeah?

524
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Speaker 2: What were you afraid of happening if you didn't get

525
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Speaker 2: it done?

526
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Speaker 6: Failure?

527
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 7: Yeah?

528
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Speaker 6: I yeah, I did this. I did this not to win.

529
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,479
Speaker 6: I did this because I wanted to prove to myself

530
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Speaker 6: that I could do it. It's been a very long

531
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Speaker 6: time since I've put myself outside of my comfort zone

532
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 6: and I've really tried to focus on something that I

533
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 6: wanted to do well. I've never really been a competitive person,

534
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 6: but I've always been somebody who wanted to make myself proud,

535
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 6: and not being able to finish was my biggest fear,

536
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Speaker 6: because I wouldn't be proud of myself if I didn't.

537
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Speaker 2: This week's theme was odd one Out. I'm not gonna

538
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 2: put my own thoughts on it. I need to yours.

539
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Speaker 2: Why was this one the odd one out?

540
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Speaker 6: I think with this one, I think I'm reflecting on

541
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Speaker 6: myself as being the odd one out of not actually

542
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:14,959
Speaker 6: having a completed story to submit for the episode. I

543
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 6: think that in a way I had the idea of

544
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 6: obviously the church and the Angle and what I wanted

545
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 6: to do with it, and then for it to fall through.

546
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Speaker 6: To be the odd one out from these episodes is

547
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Speaker 6: to submit an episode of my own failure and my

548
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 6: own struggle to complete a podcast episode as well.

549
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Speaker 2: Now I like it. I feel like, you know, even

550
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Speaker 2: if the essence of the episode itself and the story

551
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: you were telling us wasn't necessarily within the theme clearly

552
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 2: of odd one Out, it's the odd one out in

553
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: your three podcasts, right, Yeah, it doesn't quite sit the

554
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 2: same way as the other two, But in one way

555
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 2: it's not. Because I keep thinking about there is a

556
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Speaker 2: bit of a common thread between your three in that

557
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Speaker 2: it feels a little bit like you were attempting a

558
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: love letter to regional Australia, Like this is such a

559
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: strong sense of place in each episode. Was that something

560
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 2: intentional or is that just part of who you are

561
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:10,959
Speaker 2: and where you've grown up.

562
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Speaker 6: I feel as though there's so many unheard stories in

563
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 6: regional Australia because they get looked over. Something as simple

564
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 6: as someone put in Teddy Bears and trees can turn

565
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 6: into like a beautiful story of somebody just trying to

566
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 6: make everyone else feel good. Yeah, and you're growing up

567
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 6: in the Ilaurora, you know, having so much different inspiration

568
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 6: that you can kind of draw off from down there

569
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Speaker 6: as well.

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Speaker 2: Ben, congratulations, I think it's a huge achievement.

571
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Speaker 6: Thank you so much, thanks for listening.

572
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Speaker 2: So who found and told the best odd one out story?

573
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Speaker 2: And who will become our Find and Tel finalists? Find

574
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: out in just a moment. This is Find and Tell

575
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 2: and the theme this week was odd one Out. Now

576
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 2: Mark absolutely found his podcasting voice and greove this episode.

577
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: I thought it was a great choice of subject and

578
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: it showed us for a podcast that is all about inclusion,

579
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 2: that inclusion moves beyond race and gender. Mark's Oprah style

580
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: pet talk at the end was the most thoughtful combination

581
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: of motivation and empathy and recognition plus some information. Honestly,

582
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: I think he could have his own talk show. After

583
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 2: hearing that the episode introduction was also brilliant, he conveyed

584
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: how tense that situation was for him. Well done now,

585
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: Ben clearly had a real challenge getting this episode completed

586
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 2: on time, and so big props to him that he

587
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: got it done. I'm sure he won't be surprised to

588
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 2: hear that probably wasn't his strongest contribution. Ben's done a

589
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 2: really solid job with the audio he had, and he's

590
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 2: injected some fun into the hope and the disappointment of

591
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 2: landing and then losing an interview opportunity. I was most

592
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: impressed by Ben's moments of vulnerability, particularly in that monologue

593
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Speaker 2: at the end where he kind of unpacks his fear

594
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Speaker 2: of judgment. So, after hearing both stories, I've decided on

595
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Speaker 2: this week's winner, and hey, Mark, it's going to be you. Congratulations.

596
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Speaker 1: Oh that's so sick. Oh my god.

597
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh it was honestly just the most stunning piece

598
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Speaker 2: of work. I feel like we've got such a strong

599
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: sense of who you are as a storyteller, but also like,

600
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Speaker 2: quite possibly as a future oprah.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you so much, Thank you so much. You

602
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: get a car, Thank you car a car.

603
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: So the time has come to decide which of our

604
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Speaker 2: four storytellers will we going through to the finals, and

605
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: who we have to say goodbye to Naon, Mark, Ben

606
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 2: and Kate have all brought such unique perspectives to this series,

607
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 2: and I hope they are all incredibly proud of the

608
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: stories they've shared with me and with all of you

609
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 2: the audience. Each episode, two of our storytellers went head

610
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 2: to head, and each episode's winner received one point. Those

611
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 2: points have been tallied. Ben finished on two points, Naon

612
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: finished on one point, Kate finished on one point as well,

613
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Speaker 2: and Mark, who won today's episode, also finished on two points,

614
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Speaker 2: which means I'm not great at maths, folks, but i

615
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: can do the ones and twos. It means Mark and Ben, congratulations,

616
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Speaker 2: you are our finalists.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, look at you, Look at us.

618
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Speaker 2: Well, we are well on the road. Now everyone to

619
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Speaker 2: crown our first ever winner of Find and Tell, so

620
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 2: that you both know you worked very very hard. You

621
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Speaker 2: told three incredible stories. You each earned two very important points.

622
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Speaker 2: But now none of that matters. Absolutely none of it matters.

623
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Speaker 2: The slate is wiped clean. We are going head to

624
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Speaker 2: head with our final story, and that is all that matters.

625
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 2: You're both going to be given the same theme, and

626
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 2: you'll have an entire episode to tell your story. That's

627
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: a whole lot more storytelling time. The theme is lost

628
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: in translation. I'm going to let you to think some more.

629
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Speaker 2: I'm going to let those cogs turn. Good luck. We

630
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 2: are going to hear from you very soon. I feel

631
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 2: really sad saying goodbye to Nayan and Kate because I

632
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 2: have loved working with them, and even more I have

633
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 2: loved listening to the stories that they told. Both of

634
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,479
Speaker 2: them have improved so much across the series and they've

635
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 2: definitely surely inspired a few more future storytellers amongst all

636
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 2: of you listening right now. Ben and Mark are our

637
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 2: final two storytellers, and in our next couple of episodes,

638
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: they will battle it out to be crowned Australia's first

639
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 2: ever Find and Tell champion. You are not going to

640
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 2: want to miss this press follow in whichever podcast app

641
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 2: you're listening on and I will see you at the finale.

642
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 2: A big thank you to our show partners Afters and

643
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Speaker 2: Road Australia. Find and Tell is a co production between

644
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 2: iHeart Australia and the black Cast podcast network. Black Cast

645
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 2: empowers First Nations people and people of color to reclaim

646
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 2: their narratives, strengthen cultural identity, and contribute to a more

647
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Speaker 2: inclusive Australia by showcasing exciting emerging talent from Australian communities,