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Speaker 1: Hello.

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Speaker 2: My name's Santasha Nabananga Bamblet. I'm a proud yr the

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Speaker 2: Order Kerney Whoalbury and a waddery woman. And before we

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Speaker 2: get started on She's on the Money podcast, I would

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Speaker 2: like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land of

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Speaker 2: which this podcast is recorded on a wondery country, acknowledging

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Speaker 2: the elders, the ancestors and the next generation coming through

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Speaker 2: as this podcast is about connecting, empowering, knowledge sharing and

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Speaker 2: the storytelling of you to make a difference for today

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Speaker 2: and lasting impact for tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into it.

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Speaker 3: She's on the Money, She's on the Money.

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Speaker 4: Hello, and welcome to She's on the Money, the podcast

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Speaker 4: for millennials who want financial freedom. My name is beck

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Speaker 4: Syed and I am actually really excited for today's chat

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Speaker 4: because I'm so awkward about this topic how to negotiate

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Speaker 4: workplace benefits. Fortunately, we have a very very skilled professional

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Speaker 4: in this area with us today. That is one Victoria divide.

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Speaker 1: And I've got a lot of audacity, so you best

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Speaker 1: believe I've got all of the tips and tricks. And

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Speaker 1: what we're going to do today is try and channel

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Speaker 1: your inner VD so that like you walk into your

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Speaker 1: boss's office with like the most audacity, like don't do

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Speaker 1: it too quickly, though you might get fired. And as

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Speaker 1: somebody who's self employed, I do have a lot of

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Speaker 1: audacity that maybe you shouldn't, so like take everything I

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Speaker 1: say with a grain of salt. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: I feel like we all deserve better, and we all

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Speaker 1: should know our worth, and we should all be kind

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Speaker 1: of putting that worth on the table to say no, Actually,

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Speaker 1: I'm a human being who has a life and who

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Speaker 1: has needs and wants, and I want career progression, and

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Speaker 1: I also want some level of flexibility, and I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's unreasonable to ask for those things.

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Speaker 4: It's so true.

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Speaker 1: So what's the worst thing that can happen if you

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Speaker 1: ask Becky?

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Speaker 4: Well, maybe you'll get fired, or maybe you just feel

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Speaker 4: awkward for the rest of your life.

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Speaker 1: Why would you get fired? Though, I feel like so

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Speaker 1: many people are so anxious to ask questions about their workplace,

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Speaker 1: even if it's just small things like oh, I need

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Speaker 1: a little bit more flexibility, Like what if your kid has,

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Speaker 1: you know, some kind of sports practice after school on

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Speaker 1: a Thursday, and you know what you'd really like to

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Speaker 1: go but you feel bad asking your boss, like why

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Speaker 1: can't we just ask? The worst thing they can say

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Speaker 1: is no, They're not going to fire you over this.

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Speaker 1: I promise you, if you ask kindly and go in

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Speaker 1: with your research, they're not going to turn around and

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Speaker 1: be like, oh my gosh, Beck, you're over and now

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you marched in and said you're treating

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Speaker 1: that's probably not going to go. Yes, so well, so

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Speaker 1: we need to on the side of caution and make

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Speaker 1: sure that what we're asking for is suitable.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: But I think this is a really good conversation because Beck,

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Speaker 1: I actually got a message and I'm talking a lot

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Speaker 1: today because I'm just really excited about this topic. I

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Speaker 1: the She's on the Morning community for a really long time,

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Speaker 1: and I got it this morning, and by this morning,

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Speaker 1: I mean the second I woke up, because she sent

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Speaker 1: Thank god I don't have notifications for Instagram on my phone.

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Speaker 1: And the message was essentially, hey, v I can't sleep

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited and I just woke up and I thought,

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Speaker 1: I have to tell Victoria if I'm this. She recently

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Speaker 1: she was like, what would Victoria do? And I'm obsessed

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Speaker 1: interviewing for another job. She was like, oh, I told

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Speaker 4: Bar That is so cool. That is really cool.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it cool? Like people in our community are knowing

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Speaker 1: just think, obviously there are some instances where you need

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Speaker 1: But I think knowing your worth is so important. And

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Speaker 1: I said this was it last week on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Ana Lisa, our producer, knows way more than I do

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Speaker 1: that having a low opinion of yourself is not modesty.

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Speaker 1: I know you're listening because I know you listen to

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Speaker 1: I'm always chatting in my DMS with my community. But

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Speaker 4: Let's get you ready. I am so ready. And that

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Speaker 1: He says, it was my favorite thing ever. I'll send

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Speaker 4: I was going to actually move forward, but because I

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Speaker 4: just said what Jascourici says, and I was about to

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Speaker 1: She says, always do an outfit of the shot.

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Speaker 4: She says, do an outfit of the day. And yeah,

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Speaker 4: she says many many other very very inspiring things. But

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Speaker 1: Obviously I think it's important twenty four to seven, but

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Speaker 1: think at that point we need to reconsider what our

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Speaker 1: being able to negotiate a few more benefits into your

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Speaker 1: your salary, that's fantastic, Beck, What else can we negotiate?

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Speaker 1: Could there potentially be a company car, Could there be

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Speaker 4: Yeap, I totally agree. How can anyone have a bad

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Speaker 1: can't work from home, Like that's not really you can

433
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Speaker 1: try promote and if it's so valuable to you that

434
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Speaker 1: you do work from home, maybe we should be considering

435
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,000
Speaker 1: a different career product, right right, right, But that's just me, bad,

436
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:49,639
Speaker 1: that's just me.

437
00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,199
Speaker 4: But also so I could like say, for example, I

438
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Speaker 4: want my phone or internet bill taken care of, like

439
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 4: in my contract, Like I could ask for that kind

440
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Speaker 4: of thing, or like try and negotiate.

441
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Speaker 1: One hundred percent. In fact, I find it so interesting

442
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 1: at this point in time, I don't pay my team's

443
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Speaker 1: phone bills. And I don't pay my team's phone bills

444
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Speaker 1: for a few reasons. That's one because I think that

445
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Speaker 1: they work from you know, nine to five every day.

446
00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I actually work from nine till three on Fridays,

447
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,119
Speaker 1: lucky little ducks. But I don't actually, if we can

448
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,359
Speaker 1: avoid it, I don't want them using their phones for

449
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 1: work because they aren't actually available to me twenty four

450
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Speaker 1: to seven. Yeah, I think that you should have your

451
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 1: laptop on you to access emails. If you really want

452
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Speaker 1: to have your emails on your phone for your own

453
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,120
Speaker 1: ease of access, that is absolutely fine, But I find

454
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Speaker 1: it so interesting because I had a friend the other day,

455
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Speaker 1: go oh, my boss said that I had to download

456
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Speaker 1: this particular software so that I can have my work

457
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Speaker 1: emails on my phone. And it's like a security software,

458
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 1: but it's essentially a tracking software that like tracks the

459
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Speaker 1: phone and they can wipe my friend's phone remotely, like

460
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Speaker 1: if they lost it or you know, there was a

461
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Speaker 1: data breach or whatever. I just feel like that's such

462
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Speaker 1: an invasion of privacy and that's okay, Like if you

463
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Speaker 1: accept it, no worries, Like if you're a bit like

464
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Speaker 1: me and you're like, man, I don't say anything bad

465
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Speaker 1: and my DMS go for it. I think that's fine

466
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Speaker 1: if you accept that. But that's now a work device,

467
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 1: Like that's now a device that to me exists for work.

468
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Speaker 1: So you either give me a work device that at

469
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Speaker 1: five PM I can put in my draw and I

470
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Speaker 1: only use it for work, or are you trying to

471
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Speaker 1: tell me that you think I need twenty four seven

472
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Speaker 1: access to my work emails, in which case, why right?

473
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Speaker 2: Right?

474
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Speaker 1: Like I'll do my job during work hours. And I

475
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Speaker 1: mean there's lots of different I guess caveats to that,

476
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Speaker 1: Like there could be people saying, oh, I'm less stressed

477
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Speaker 1: if I can see my emails coming, I am too,

478
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Speaker 1: Like I love seeing push notifications to know the world

479
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Speaker 1: is still spinning. I don't care if I'm out for

480
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Speaker 1: dinner with my friends, so I don't care if it's

481
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Speaker 1: a Saturday. I just like to know that things are

482
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Speaker 1: still going on because that reduces my anxiety. So I'm

483
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Speaker 1: happy with that. And if you know my team are

484
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Speaker 1: like that, then great, but I want that to be

485
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Speaker 1: for their own benefit, not because my team need to

486
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Speaker 1: you know, accessible to me twenty four to seven. And

487
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Speaker 1: I think that there's a lot to say about asking

488
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Speaker 1: your boss to pay your phone bill if it becomes

489
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Speaker 1: a workfonm am, I expected to use this device for work, Yeah, great, pay.

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Speaker 4: Me yes, Okay. So I guess it's kind of like

491
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Speaker 4: maybe like for example, in hospow work where you don't

492
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Speaker 4: really need to be using you unless ah, but then

493
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Speaker 4: you might need to call O. I don't know, different

494
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 4: strokes for different folks. That's something to keep in mind.

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Speaker 4: I suppose if.

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Speaker 1: That's absolutely gonna be and everything's negotiable, right, like you

497
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Speaker 1: mentioned before, like internet bills, absolutely they could be taken

498
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Speaker 1: into consideration, but at the same time, be reasonable, yes,

499
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Speaker 1: Like if you are somebody who has, you know, work

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Speaker 1: from home day one day a week, and there's a

501
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Speaker 1: lot of flexibility, and you already have an unly mentioned

502
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Speaker 1: internet plan and you're using it to stream Netflix and

503
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Speaker 1: play games and you know, spend a whole heap of

504
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Speaker 1: hours playing the sims like I do. Sometimes Like, maybe

505
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Speaker 1: that's not that reasonable to ask for. But if maybe,

506
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Speaker 1: let's say you live in an apartment and you're expected

507
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Speaker 1: to work from home five days a week and you

508
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Speaker 1: don't actually use the Internet for anything else and you

509
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Speaker 1: had to have it connected specifically to work from home,

510
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Speaker 1: That's when I would mention to my boss like, oh, hey,

511
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Speaker 1: what does this actually look like? I wouldn't have this

512
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Speaker 1: service otherwise it's definitely a work expense, Yes.

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Speaker 4: I understand. Okay, what about if it's like half work

514
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Speaker 4: expense half regular things. You just use your one Now

515
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Speaker 4: they don't have to pay the full bill, right, Like

516
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Speaker 4: let's say your phone bill each and every single month

517
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Speaker 4: there's sixty dollars and you say I use it half

518
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Speaker 4: a personal half for work. Maybe they pay thirty dollars

519
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 4: of your bill and that just gets added to your

520
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,239
Speaker 4: salary so that you can pay that, or maybe it

521
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Speaker 4: gets taken internally and it's like there's a lot to

522
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Speaker 4: do and it's up to your boss how that happens.

523
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Speaker 4: But I do think that we need to be advocating

524
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Speaker 4: for those costs, like don't even get me started on reimbursements,

525
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 4: like crazy. Okay, so this is actually kind of looking

526
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Speaker 4: exciting and not so daunting. After all, it shouldn't be. Yeah, yeah,

527
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Speaker 4: I think that's the case. It feels very all good,

528
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 4: it feels very uncomfortable. But for you, what other things

529
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 4: should we take into consideration moving forward?

530
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Speaker 1: You need to gather up your information, like collect it

531
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Speaker 1: into one nice central place, and I would connect with

532
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: like mentors or like other colleagues, and I guess anyone

533
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: in your network who could help you understand your own perspective.

534
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: So when it comes to advocating for your own rights,

535
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: especially in a workplace, it can feel really overwhelming. But beck,

536
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: if we took a step back and I said, all right,

537
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 1: you need to go to your boss and ask for

538
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 1: you know, let's say, them to pay your phone bill,

539
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: and you go, oh, V, that's actually really scary. I'm

540
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: not sure, Like I don't want to get them offside.

541
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Speaker 1: I don't want to have a bad conversation. Go all right, Beck, Well,

542
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 1: what's going to make you more comfortable with this? Collect

543
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 1: your information, do some research about whether your boss should

544
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 1: be paying it. So I would google, you know media

545
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: phone bill's boss pays, and forums are probably going to

546
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 1: come up, and conversations are happening. These conversations happen every

547
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Speaker 1: single day. And now she's on the money community. So

548
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: if you're not there, you're missing out. But you could

549
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: have that conversation. I'd go, Beck, go and ask your colleagues.

550
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 1: Are any of them having their phone bills comped? And

551
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: you might go around the office and a few people go, now,

552
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 1: I haven't thought about it. Now I haven't thought about it,

553
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: And you're only asking trusted colleagues Like these could be

554
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,479
Speaker 1: people that you see as friends in your workplace, or

555
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: they could be people that you see as friends outside

556
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 1: of your workplace that are in similar roles. And you know,

557
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: friend that works at a competitor goes, oh, yeah, Beck,

558
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 1: actually my boss pays for half my phone bill. And

559
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: you go, oh, how do you negotiate that?

560
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 4: Oh?

561
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 1: I asked, and they said, yes, it made a lot

562
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Speaker 1: of sense. These are the things I said, And then

563
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 1: you come across someone in your workplace and they say, yeah,

564
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 1: of course they can negotiated it when I started. So

565
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: you go, oh, I'm collecting all this information for me

566
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: to feel more powerful and feel more I guess, validated

567
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: in the decisions that I'm making in the questions I'm asking.

568
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: You've just been told by a friend who works in

569
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Speaker 1: a similar industry. Actually, yes, I get this. You've been

570
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Speaker 1: told by someone who works for you that they negotiated

571
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Speaker 1: it upfront, So you now know that that workplace do

572
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Speaker 1: pay it. You just didn't negotiate it upfront, and now

573
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Speaker 1: you do. So you're going to walk into this conversation

574
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: a whole heap more empowered, so that you can say, hey,

575
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering, you know, you're not going to throw

576
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: the influ in their face, just wondering what your thoughts about,

577
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,719
Speaker 1: you know, helping me out with this are. I've been

578
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: thinking about it. I do use the phone for personal

579
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: use half the time, work use the other half. So

580
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: you know, obviously I don't expect you to cover it all,

581
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: but i'd like to propose that you know, you pay

582
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 1: half the bill. Let me know your thoughts. Obviously, you

583
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: don't have to answer immediately, and they're very likely to

584
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: say yes. But also you're going to be so much

585
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: more confident because you've had these conversations and you have

586
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: a really compelling argument. And if they then say no,

587
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: that's when you come back and say, Okay, well, you know,

588
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: I've got a friend in a different role at a

589
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: different organization similar to mine, same thing happens, And have

590
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: those conversations, obviously without throwing your colleagues under a bus,

591
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: but have those conversations so you feel really empowered and

592
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: so that you don't feel like you're asking for too much,

593
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: because I promise you're not.

594
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so V what else should we be considering during

595
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 4: this time?

596
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: You need to look at how long you've been in

597
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: the job. I mean, tackling this in the first week

598
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: is probably going to make your boss give you a

599
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: little bit of bombastic sidehi. Ah. They're going to be like, well,

600
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: why didn't negotiate that first because it's so close to

601
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: your I guess employment date. But also it's really important

602
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: to kind of build a case around what you deserve

603
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: and what you've got, So like talking about your accomplishments

604
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: and your contributions and I guess your commitment to the

605
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: organization that's going to support your request for improved benefits. Right,

606
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,959
Speaker 1: emphasize how whatever you're negotiating for can contribute to your

607
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: professional growth and your overall productivity and development. Like we're

608
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: not just saying, Oh, I want to work from home

609
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: because it's so nice, like my cat's there. I like

610
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: being able to wear my slippers all day. I really

611
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: like that when I finish at five o'clock, I can

612
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,719
Speaker 1: just slam my laptop shut and jump on Netflix. Like

613
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: that's probably not what your boss cares about. I think

614
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: going to your boss and saying, look, i'd really like

615
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: to work from home and highlighting the benefits to them,

616
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: but also the benefits to your career and your overall

617
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: productivity is going to make the most sense. So if

618
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: I was trying to negotiate more work from home time,

619
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: I'd go, Hey, Beck, you're my really cool boss. I

620
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: really want to talk to you about my benefits and

621
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: being able to work from home. So I currently commute

622
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Speaker 1: an hour and a half to and from work, and

623
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Speaker 1: I know that that time's not productive, it's being lost.

624
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: I also feel like I'm quite distracted in the office

625
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: by you know, office politics and what a coller chat

626
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: and all of that. I just think if I was

627
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: working from home two days a week in comparison to

628
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: the five I'm spending in the office, I think that

629
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: I could be way more productive. I really want that.

630
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: I guess, really solo time to smash out my emails

631
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: and just get a whole heap of projects done. I

632
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: think my productivity is going to increase. That's really good

633
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: for you know, obviously my career progression, but also for

634
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: the business.

635
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, this is so true. I cannot go into

636
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 4: the office. I never get a lick of work done.

637
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I'm always running up to your desk and

638
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: trying to scare you from behind.

639
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. And so then I guess I'm scared and

640
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 4: I can't do anyone. I can't focus on anything else.

641
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 4: I'm just scared of you, and I'm verifying. So for

642
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 4: the rest of I'm terrifying. Honestly, watch out, exactly. I

643
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 4: saw what I'm gonna do next. I'm not going to

644
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 4: bring my laptop in at all. I'm just going to

645
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 4: be staring and waiting for you to pop out of someway.

646
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: That's a good idea. Yeah, I think that'll go down runway.

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Speaker 4: That's probably the best thing to do. Is there anything

648
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Speaker 4: else we should consider at this moment?

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Speaker 1: Timing? Timing should be impeccable. We need to make sure

650
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Speaker 1: that we're considering at what time we're asking for these things,

651
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Speaker 1: So picking an appropriate time, so whether that is during

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Speaker 1: your performance review or a contract renewal, or when your

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Speaker 1: employer is actually discussing overall workplace policies. I would aim

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Speaker 1: for a time when your employer is open to discussing

655
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Speaker 1: these things, but also be relatively assertive about that timeframe.

656
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Speaker 1: So obviously those are really good suggestions. But if I

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Speaker 1: were you, I would actually book a time sure, so

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Speaker 1: I would make sure that I am sitting down with

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Speaker 1: my boss. I'm not just going to like walk into

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Speaker 1: their office because I've been inspired by a podcast and

661
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Speaker 1: be like, oh, beck you free for a sec. Like

662
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: that's just going to get them offside. They're busy. I

663
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Speaker 1: promise you that's not going to go down well. But

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Speaker 1: like preface it a little bit, Oh, I'd love to

665
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Speaker 1: have a career check in, or I'd love to have

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Speaker 1: a check in about you know, work from home and

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Speaker 1: what that means, and book a time and if they say, oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't have time for that, be like, okay, well,

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Speaker 1: how do I make time for that? What would that

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Speaker 1: look like? I'm happy to do it over lunch, I'm

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Speaker 1: happy to do this. I'm happy to do that. And

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Speaker 1: I think that by being relatively assertive that this is

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Speaker 1: important to you, they're going to make time for it.

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Speaker 1: But also, if you pick a good time where you're

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Speaker 1: already talking about how well you're doing, like a performance conversation,

676
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Speaker 1: or you're re signing a contract, or you know, your

677
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: employers asking for feedback, like, that's obviously going to be

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Speaker 1: taken a lot better than you randomly walking into their office,

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Speaker 1: which I do not recommend.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Another thing that I've just thought of is clear effective communication,

682
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Speaker 1: which can be hard because like, how hard is it

683
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Speaker 1: going into someone's office and be like, oh, I was

684
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Speaker 1: just wondering if I could. Yeah, probably, don't worry about it,

685
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Speaker 1: and they go on, no, no, no, back, what is it?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: Let's be assertive but confident. Like there's a very big

688
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: difference between confidence and arrogance. I feel like in women, particularly,

689
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: they get confused. You're not arrogant, You're just confident. You

690
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: know what you're worth. And that is okay. I promise

691
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: you that you aren't rude, you are not asking for

692
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: too much, and you're not in any way, shape or

693
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: form arrogant. I think expressing your interest and concerns respectfully

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Speaker 1: and professionally is very, very important. So make sure that

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Speaker 1: when you go in there, maybe you've practiced it in

696
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Speaker 1: their mirror, maybe you've practiced it in the car on

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Speaker 1: the way in. But also to make yourself a little

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Speaker 1: bit more confident, have some specific examples and some data

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Speaker 1: to support your requests. So discuss the potential benefits, as

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Speaker 1: I said before, for yourself, but also for the organization.

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Speaker 1: So as I said before, saying I really want to

702
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Speaker 1: work from home, like my cat's so lonely, it's not

703
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Speaker 1: going to go down. Well, let's not do that. Let's

704
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Speaker 1: put the organization first and go all right, let's talk

705
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Speaker 1: about more productivity. Here's some research that says people who

706
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Speaker 1: work from home are way more productive. Let's consider that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a really good point. B I love that.

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Speaker 4: I think this is a really good time to go

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Speaker 4: to all break, absorb everything, and we'll see you on

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Speaker 4: the other side. Welcome back. Every once. We have been

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Speaker 4: talking about negotiating workplace benefits if you can't get a

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Speaker 4: pay rise, so v what are some of the extra

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Speaker 4: benefits Australian employers tend to offer to workers.

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Speaker 1: All right, So there are lots, and it's really going

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Speaker 1: to depend on, I guess, the size and the nature

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Speaker 1: of the business that you work for. There are a

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Speaker 1: few common ones that I've written down, so we're going

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Speaker 1: to fly through them as to not bore you too much.

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Speaker 1: You're not going to be surprised about this one. Beck

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Speaker 1: Flexible work arrangements. We've just spoken a lot about them,

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Speaker 1: but they could mean a lot more than just working

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Speaker 1: from home. They could mean that you get to come

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Speaker 1: in earlier and leave earlier, depending on your role. It

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Speaker 1: could mean a couple of days a week you work

725
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Speaker 1: a longer shift so that on a Friday you only

726
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Speaker 1: work a half shift, And it really depends on what

727
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Speaker 1: is going to work for you and how that works.

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Speaker 1: And obviously, guys, it's twenty twenty three. Work life balance

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00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: is a top priority nowadays for most of us, and

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Speaker 1: it's also something that a lot of organizations are talking about.

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Speaker 1: So it depends on what you want to do and

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Speaker 1: how it works. But there's a lot of different ways

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Speaker 1: that work life balance could be prioritized with your work hours.

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Speaker 1: Additional leave options are a very attractive one as well.

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Speaker 1: Beck So some employers they might offer additional paid leave

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Speaker 1: options beyond the minimum requirements, like you might get extra

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00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: annual leave days, or you might get paid volunteerly or

738
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Speaker 1: cultural leave for specific events, or you know, extended unpaid

739
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: leave for personal or travel purposes, and you can absolutely

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Speaker 1: negotiate that. So I have a girlfriend who recently negotiated this,

741
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Speaker 1: and I'm so of her because I just think it's

742
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Speaker 1: so baller. And she was like, I need to tell

743
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Speaker 1: you about this because at the end of the day,

744
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Speaker 1: I only did it because you told me that I

745
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 1: could do it. She couldn't get a pay rise, and

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Speaker 1: she was a bit salty about it, to be honest,

747
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Speaker 1: and I would be too if I was in her shoes,

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Speaker 1: because she'd been there for like five years, not how

749
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Speaker 1: to pay rise, like nothing when it came to CPI

750
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Speaker 1: any of that. But she went back to the boss

751
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Speaker 1: and said, Hey, no worries, I know that you can't

752
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Speaker 1: afford more when it comes to salary, but I'd like

753
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: two additional weeks of paid leave. And so now instead

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Speaker 1: of having four weeks a year, she has six weeks

755
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: a year paid. The leave she gets to go on

756
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: her Europe trip completely paid because she's you know, allocating

757
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: that time and energy to it. And I just think

758
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Speaker 1: that that's such a sexy benefit that very like for

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00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: some people. Having more paid time off makes sense because

760
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: she wouldn't have been able to afford to pay for

761
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Speaker 1: it herself. But now it's in her contract. The employee

762
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: is not out any more financially. Obviously, there's obviously an

763
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: implication to that she's not there, but it worked out

764
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Speaker 1: for everybody.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great idea.

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Speaker 1: Health and wellness programs you could negotiate. So a lot

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Speaker 1: of employers actually offer access to health and wellness programs,

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Speaker 1: and they could include things like gym memberships or fitness classes,

769
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Speaker 1: or mental health support or counseling services, and there's just

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Speaker 1: lots of different initiatives that are there. You could talk

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Speaker 1: to your employer about that. For me, something that is

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00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: important is professional development and training. So there are a

773
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Speaker 1: lot of employers that invest in their employees' professional development

774
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: or their growth by offering training and skill development and

775
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: career advancement. So what can your employee offer you. Are

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00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: they maybe paying for you to go to a conference

777
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: each and every single year. It could be anything from

778
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: financial support for different certifications or workshops or conferences, or

779
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: just further education or even just time off for study.

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00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: You could negotiate EAP SO employee assistance programs so these

781
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: are designed to support employees with personal or work related challenges,

782
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,720
Speaker 1: and they often provide confidential counseling services or legal advice,

783
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: financial guidance, and resources for mental health support, which I

784
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: think is incredibly important. You could if they say no

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00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: to a salary increase, you could negotiate a bonus or

786
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: an incentive. So an employer might be able to offer

787
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: you a performance based bonus or incentive program to reward

788
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: you for your exceptional work or meeting specific targets. And

789
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: these can be financial. It could be like a profit

790
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: share scheme or you know, share options, or non monetary

791
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: rewards like company sponsored trips or events, or even just

792
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: like training programs that you want access to. You could

793
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: negotiate a sneaky little employee discount or perfect so. These

794
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: discounts could be on like products or services offered by

795
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: the company that you work for or its partners. These

796
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: could include a range of things including reduced pricing on

797
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: company products, or subsidized childcare or transport, or access to

798
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: employee discount programs for shopping, travel or entertainment. Like ask

799
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Speaker 1: your employer about these things, because sometimes they have them

800
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: and they just not well communicated as well. Like I

801
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 1: remember a couple of years ago talking to my dad,

802
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: and my dad works in corporate and he was like, oh,

803
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: we got this notice in our emails to say that

804
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: this specific car dealership that you know, we've got a

805
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: partnership with is ending their partnership. He's like, I wish

806
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: I knew about that before before I bought a new car,

807
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: because I had no idea that we got a discount there. Right,

808
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: I was like, what a good benefit, but also sad

809
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: it's leaving. Sad you didn't get access to it. He

810
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: had no idea, So I think it's really important if

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Speaker 1: you don't know whether they do, do a little bit

812
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: of research is probably on your Like you know how

813
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: lots of companies have those like portals that you can

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00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: log into like intranets, have a look on there, see

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Speaker 1: what other benefits are offered to you. And then again

816
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: work life balance, in issuating, and so I'm so about

817
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: this and think it's so important that employers might implement

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00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: I guess various incentives to promote work life balance, like

819
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: on site childcare facilities, or flexible parental leave pies, or

820
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: paid time off for family events, or the ability to

821
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: purchase additional leave. So ask all of these questions. I

822
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: think that they are so important. But I guess you

823
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: can see where my priority is live when it comes

824
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: to work life balance.

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00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I could not advocate for work life balance more.

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Speaker 1: You're the work life balance queen. Honestly, you resually like

828
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: life starts outside of work. You know that's where your

829
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Speaker 1: life is. Let's talk about non negotiables V. What are

830
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: we entitled to by the law. Obviously you mentioned before

831
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Speaker 1: that we're going to have a whole heap of links

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Speaker 1: in the show notes to some resources for you all.

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Speaker 1: But the managatory workers benefits for Australian workers include a

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Speaker 1: few of the following. So minimum wage, So Australian workers

835
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: are entitled to minimum wage, which is set by the

836
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Speaker 1: Fair Work Commission and it's reviewed each and every single year.

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Speaker 1: Stullbrainuation employers must make regular contributions to their employees super funds,

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00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 1: which are designed to provide a retirement income. The current

839
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: minimum contribution rate is eleven percent of an employer's ordinary earnings,

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Speaker 1: and as of the first of July twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 1: employers will have to start paying your SUPER each pay day,

842
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,959
Speaker 1: which is an interesting concept that I got asked about

843
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,720
Speaker 1: the other day because a lot of people get paid

844
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Speaker 1: their SUPER quarterly and they go, wait, why is it?

845
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: Or may pay sleep for weekly or monthly or however

846
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 1: often I get paid but only put into my account

847
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 1: every quarter. So if that's happening to you, yes, that

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Speaker 1: is legal. I do look forward to the change, though,

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Speaker 1: because I feel like I would like everybody to be

850
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Speaker 1: investing more consistently and more regularly, to be making the

851
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: most of dollar cost averaging, aside from that which I

852
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,479
Speaker 1: obviously am very very passionate about. MEG. And you'll leave

853
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: and sick leave, so full time workers are entitled to

854
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: paid annual leave, typically four weeks each and every single

855
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: year unless negotiated otherwise, and personal or careers leave so

856
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: sickly based on the National Employment Standards or the NES,

857
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: which you can google for your industry. We then have

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Speaker 1: parental leave, so the NES provides for unpaid parental leave

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00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: for eligible employees, including maternity and paternity leave. The Australian

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00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: government also offers the Paid Parental Leave Scheme, providing financial

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