1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Bunjelung Kalkotin woman from Gadighl country. The Daily oz acknowledges 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and torrest 5 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: Right island and nations. We pay our respects to the 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: first peoples of these countries, both past and present. 7 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 2: Good morning, and welcome to the Daily os It's Tuesday, 8 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: the twenty seventh of June. 9 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 3: I'm zara, i'm nina. 10 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 2: A plan to overthrow the Russian army and its leadership 11 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 2: has been unsuccessful. 12 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 4: The most significant challenge to Russian President Vladimir Putin's two 13 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 4: decades in power lasted only about twenty four hours. 14 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 3: Their mutiny bringing the country to the brink of chaos. 15 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: Less than twenty four hours ago. 16 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 2: The chief of the Wagner military group has made an 17 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 2: abrupt about face, abandoning his armed mutiny and sending his 18 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: troops back to their field camps. While the uprising was 19 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: stopped in its tracks, it did raise some very important 20 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:04,119 Speaker 2: questions about Vladimir Puden's leadership and the future of the Ukraine. 21 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: Russia war. We're going to look at what has happened 22 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 2: and what could come next in today's deep dive. But 23 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: first the headlines. 24 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 3: Former New South Wales MP Darryl McGuire has been charged 25 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 3: with giving false evidence to the New South Wales Anti 26 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 3: corruption watchdog in twenty eighteen. Meanwhile, there's been a separate 27 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 3: anti corruption inquiry involving McGuire and former New South Wales 28 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 3: Premier Gladysbury Jaclian. The findings from that investigation will be 29 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 3: handed down on Thursday. 30 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,559 Speaker 2: The federal government has announced one hundred and ten million 31 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 2: dollars in new funding to support Ukraine. The money will 32 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 2: go towards seventy military vehicles and ammunition. PM Anthony Alberanezi 33 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 2: said Australia is unwavering in its support for Ukraine. 34 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 3: A historic number of Muslims are expected to gather in Mecca, 35 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia for the Hajj pilgrimage this year. Pandemic related 36 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 3: rules will be fully relaxed for the first time since 37 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 3: they were introduced, and more than two point five million 38 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 3: Muslims are expected to take part. 39 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 2: And the good news a small reptile species has been 40 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 2: seen in Victoria for the first time in over fifty years. 41 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 2: The Victorian grassland earless dragon was last spotted in nineteen 42 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 2: sixty nine and was thought to be extinct. Zoo's Victoria 43 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: CEO doctor Jenny Gray said the rediscovery inspires optimism for 44 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: the species recovery. 45 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 3: Zara, I was on a plane all of Friday and Saturday, 46 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 3: and I think I missed some pretty huge news, which 47 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 3: seems to be a theme at TDA. 48 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: It does get on a plane and something drastic happens. 49 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 3: What did I miss? 50 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 2: So while you were on the plane returning from your 51 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 2: lovely holiday, the rest of us were getting bombarded with 52 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 2: these news alerts about a situation unfolding in Russia and 53 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 2: it has to do with a group called the Wagner 54 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 2: Group and its leader, Yevgeny prog What ultimately ended up 55 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,959 Speaker 2: happening was that the Wagner Group attempted a rebellion, a 56 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: mutiny of sorts. After hours of unrest, Progosian ultimately called 57 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 2: off his troops and he agreed to leave the country. 58 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: But while the coup was ultimately canceled, questions remain about 59 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 2: the future of Vladimir Putin's leadership. 60 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 3: Before we get to that big picture stuff, about what 61 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 3: this all means for Putin and the war moving forward. 62 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 3: Should we start with the group responsible for this uprising? 63 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 3: What do we need to know about this Vagner Group? 64 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 2: So the Wagner Group is what's called a mercenary group, which, 65 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 2: to be completely honest, I didn't know what that meant 66 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 2: before this weekend, but it essentially just means that its 67 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 2: soldiers have been hired to fight. So they're not Russia's military, 68 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 2: they're not Russia's army. They've been hired to fight in 69 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 2: a basically a private military outfit. So the Wagner Group 70 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 2: was helping Russia to fight in Ukraine, but was doing 71 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: so as a separate entity to Russia's army. But while 72 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 2: the Wagner Group has been separate to the Russian Army, 73 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 2: they have fought alongside them, especially in the fight against Ukraine. 74 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: We'd heard of them because of the role that they'd 75 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: played in capturing the Ukrainian city of Bachmut, for example. 76 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 2: To give you a sense of how big the Wagner 77 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 2: Group actually is, the uk Ministry of Defense said back 78 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 2: in January that the group had an estimated fifty thousand fighters. 79 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 2: So this is not a small group by any stretch 80 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 2: of the imagination. And what's interesting about them is that 81 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 2: a lot of them had actually been recruited from prisons, 82 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: so they're ex convicts who are now serving in this 83 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 2: private military group. 84 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 3: One of the really interesting things about this group is 85 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 3: the person who leads it in Yevgeny Pregosian. And it's 86 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 3: not just the people in this group that have served 87 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 3: time in prison. What do we know about him, Yeah, exactly. 88 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 3: Progosion himself has spent time in prison. He served a 89 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 3: nine year sentence, reportedly for robbery in the eighties. After 90 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 3: he was released from prison, he started to sell hot dogs. 91 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 3: That's why you might have seen lots of headlines from 92 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 3: hot dog to military leader before he eventually opened his 93 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 3: own restaurant and then a catering company. That catering company 94 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 3: isn't a small one. It has a lot of contracts 95 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 3: with the Kremlin, and that earned him the nickname Putin's Chef, 96 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 3: which I'm not sure Putin would be too thrilled about 97 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 3: after this weekend, that's quite a journey from prison to 98 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 3: hot dog king to Putin's Chef. Now he's involved in 99 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 3: the war and this attempted uprising we saw on the weekend. 100 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 3: How did he get to that point? 101 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 2: So Progosion is the leader of the Wagner Group again, 102 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 2: that is the group that is this private military that 103 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: is led by him, and he has been an extremely 104 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 2: vocal critic of Russia's handling of the war against Ukraine 105 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 2: because he's the head of this group that has a 106 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,359 Speaker 2: fair bit of power. He himself has a lot of 107 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 2: power and a big platform to discuss his feelings and 108 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 2: his thoughts about the war. And over the last few months, 109 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 2: Progosian has accused military leaders of incompetence, and he suggested 110 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 2: that the Wagner Group hasn't been adequately equipped to keep 111 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 2: fighting in Ukraine. 112 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 3: So he was agitating for more resources for his group. 113 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 2: He was, and that had maintained this growing momentum, but 114 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 2: it escalated significantly on Friday Local time when Progosion went 115 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 2: a step further saying that the official reason given by 116 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 2: Russia and Pudin for invading Ukraine was actually based on lies, 117 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 2: and he said he wanted to punish the military leadership 118 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 2: and that he was willing to go all the way 119 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 2: against them. 120 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 3: I think that's a really important point because this whole conflict, 121 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 3: a big part of the messaging from Putin and from 122 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 3: Russia has been that this is an ideological war that 123 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 3: they're fighting. 124 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 2: Well, also that there's only been this singular messaging exactly. 125 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 2: You have only heard Pudin's version and the military leadership's version. 126 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 2: There has been no alternative perspectives. 127 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 3: So Progosian started speaking out sharing his perspective. How did 128 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 3: things escalate? 129 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 4: Well? 130 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 2: In what turned out to be a very dramatic couple 131 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 2: of hours, he claimed to have twenty five thousand fighters 132 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 2: actually attempting to take over the Russian capital of Moscow. 133 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,799 Speaker 2: In the hours after the initial advances, local governors ordered 134 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 2: citizens to stay indoors. And I mean here in Australia, 135 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: we were watching these videos emerge of tanks and military 136 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 2: vehicles just streaming through a Russian city. Wagner fighters reportedly 137 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 2: managed to take control of military facilities in two Russian cities. 138 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 3: That was a big stand against a leader who's been 139 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 3: presenting himself as a very strong figurehead in this war. 140 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 3: How did Putin respond? 141 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 4: Well? 142 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: Late on Friday night, Pudin delivered an emergency televised address, 143 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 2: which you know is not good news. He accused Progosion 144 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 2: of a betrayal and he said that it was a 145 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 2: knife in the back of the country. He said, and 146 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,239 Speaker 2: I quote those who are attempting to stage a revolt 147 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 2: and are pushing the country towards ANARCHI will inevitably be 148 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: punished and will answer before the law. Putin ordered the 149 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 2: Russian army to attack the rebel forces the Wagner group, 150 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 2: but he said that the situation was quote difficult. 151 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 3: And how was Progosion sounding at this point in the conflict? 152 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously there was a different perspective there. Progosian 153 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 2: said that Pudin was deeply mistaken to call the rebellion 154 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 2: a betrayal. He said, we are patriots of our homeland. 155 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 2: We do not want the country to live on corruption, 156 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 2: deceit and bureaucracy. Pudin's words didn't dissuade Progosion. His troops 157 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 2: continued to advance towards Moscow, where they were met by 158 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 2: retaliation from Russian forces. New Service Reuters reported video of 159 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 2: convoys being fired at from helicopters along major highways, and 160 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 2: the Russia had set up reinforced checkpoints on the southern 161 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 2: edge of Moscow. 162 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 3: But things eventually turned around. So what changed the course. 163 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 2: So When we went to bed on Saturday night, there 164 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 2: was this talk of a potential civil war. When we 165 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 2: woke up, it was just over. In a literal sense. 166 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 2: Wagner troops were only about four hundred kilometers away from 167 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 2: Moscow when a deal was announced by Belarussian state media. 168 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 2: Progosian called off the advances. He called off the troops 169 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 2: that were heading towards Moscow. He also said that he 170 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 2: would leave Russia for Belarus in return for charges against 171 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 2: him and his group being dropped. 172 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 3: So that was the negotiation. 173 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 2: They're riched exactly, and it was a deal that was 174 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 2: broken by Belarussian leader and Pudin ally Alexander Lukashenko. And 175 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 2: Lukashenko said it was to quote avoid bloodshed. 176 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 3: When all is said and done, Putin avoided a full rebellion, 177 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 3: a full takeover. As he said, things were right on 178 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 3: the edge, but he managed to turn things around. My 179 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 3: question is, though, now that it is over, why is 180 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 3: it still important? What does this all say about Putin 181 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 3: as a leader and where we're at in this war. 182 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: I think that's why I said it in a literal sense, 183 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 2: it was over, but I mean it absolutely lives on, 184 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 2: and the consequences live on. I was looking at tweets 185 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 2: on Saturday night saying this was the most important thing 186 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 2: that had happened in that region in the last fifty years, 187 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 2: and it's not to be underestimated. There hasn't been a 188 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 2: viable threat to Putin's leadership in a really long time, 189 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 2: and I think this showed that there are signs of 190 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 2: cracks in russia position in the war, but also in 191 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 2: Pudin's leadership, and so I think countries around the world 192 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 2: were very keenly watching. I mean none more so than Ukraine, 193 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 2: but were keenly watching what would happen because of the 194 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 2: huge geopolitical consequences. This was US Secretary of State Anthony 195 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 2: Blincoln speaking to CNN about what this all means. 196 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 4: Think about it this way. Sixteen months ago, Russian forces 197 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 4: were on the doorstep of Key of Ukraine thinking they 198 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 4: were going to take the city in a matter of 199 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 4: days erase the country from the map. Now they had 200 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 4: to be focused on defending Moscow, Russia's capital, against mercenaries 201 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 4: of Putin's own making. So this raises lots of profound 202 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 4: questions that will be answered. I think in the days 203 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 4: and weeks ahead. 204 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 2: Ukrainian officials have said, The chaos caused by the failed 205 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 2: uprising works Ta Kiv's advantage, but we're going to have 206 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 2: to wait and see what comes next, and I think 207 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 2: it's too early to tell whether it we'll have a 208 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 2: really significant impact on the war or not. 209 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us today on the Daily OHS. If 210 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 3: you learned something from today's episode, we would love it 211 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 3: if you could leave us a review wherever you're listening 212 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 3: to this podcast right now. 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