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Speaker 1: New legislation to be introduced this week is going to

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Speaker 1: amend the Sentencing Act of nineteen ninety five to impose

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Speaker 1: a life sentence with a mandatory minimum non parole period

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Speaker 1: of twenty five years imprisonment for the murder of a

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Speaker 1: current or former partner. The Attorney General, Mary Clare Boothby

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Speaker 1: says the reform reflects the scale of harm caused by

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Speaker 1: domestic and family violence in the Northern Territory, particularly for

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Speaker 1: Aboriginal women, who comprise eighty nine percent of all domestic

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Speaker 1: violence victims and who are seven times more likely to die. Now,

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Speaker 1: she joins me on the line, good morning to you,

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Speaker 1: Attorney General.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time this morning. Now, Maurray Clair,

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Speaker 1: why is this legislation required?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, as your listeners would very well know, we

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Speaker 2: have the highest rates of domestic violence murder in the nation,

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Speaker 2: then they may not know that overlove twenty five years,

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Speaker 2: nearly one hundred women lost their lives to their partner

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Speaker 2: in the Northern Territory. And I mean that is absolutely

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Speaker 2: disastrous and not good enough, not good enough for their families,

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Speaker 2: for our community, and so for too long Territorians have

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Speaker 2: been waiting for change, and under previous governments we saw

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Speaker 2: sort of lip service and you know, a lot of

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Speaker 2: talk but no action, which is exactly why I'm bringing

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Speaker 2: forward these strongest sentencing laws the DV murder in the country.

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Speaker 1: So you said one hundred women over what period of

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Speaker 1: time was that Attorney General?

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Speaker 2: Twenty five years? So since two thousand, nearly one hundred

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Speaker 2: and that the stats very depending on who you ask

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Speaker 2: because of where there are in the system, but it

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Speaker 2: is you know, one is too many, Katie. And so

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Speaker 2: if you're looking at those kind of stats here in

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Speaker 2: the Northern Territory, something has to be done. We need

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Speaker 2: to send a clear, strong message as a deterrent, a

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Speaker 2: real deterrent to partners, like if you murder you're you'll

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Speaker 2: spend the rest of your life behind bars.

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Speaker 1: I think you'll be hard pressed to find anybody that

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Speaker 1: people would expect that the punishment fits the crime. I

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Speaker 1: guess the question is how many people have been found

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Speaker 1: guilty of murdering their partner in the Northern Territory over

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Speaker 1: those twenty five years.

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Speaker 2: Look, Katie, it is again too many people. The problem

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Speaker 2: that we've seen though is our weak sentencing laws over

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Speaker 2: previous labor governments are just not strong enough. It doesn't

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Speaker 2: send that deterrent and quite frankly, the Territorians are tired

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Speaker 2: and sick of had a gutfull of partners getting away

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Speaker 2: with murder literally, and so therefore this new mandatory minimum

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Speaker 2: non parole period of twenty five years is just a start.

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Speaker 2: That's a minimum. If you're found guilty, you will spend

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Speaker 2: the rest of your life behind bars at that twenty

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Speaker 2: five year mark. That's not to get out of jail

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Speaker 2: free card. You will still have to go through that

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Speaker 2: parole process to show that you could live in society again.

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Speaker 2: But you know in some cases they can't.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any idea what kind of sentences people

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Speaker 1: have been given over that twenty five year period. I

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Speaker 1: mean to introduce this twenty five year mandatory sentence, as

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Speaker 1: I say, I think the sentiment will be in agreement. However,

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Speaker 1: I'm keen to know what kind of sentences people have

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Speaker 1: previously been given, because you would assume that they've been

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Speaker 1: given fairly hefty sentences if found guilty of murdering.

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Speaker 2: Their partner yeah, and that varies, Katie, from case to case.

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Speaker 2: But what this new law does is make sure that

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Speaker 2: everybody in our justice system and our community knows that

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Speaker 2: offenders will face that mandatory minimum non parole period of

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Speaker 2: twenty five years. So that's the important factor here. There

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Speaker 2: are other states that have other long, leafty sentences for

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Speaker 2: different offenses, but what I'm saying is, in the Northern

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Speaker 2: therefore I need to ensure that the sentence is the

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Speaker 1: Attorney General. Obviously, I've been reporting on this type of terrible,

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Speaker 1: terrible issue for a long long time and quite often

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Speaker 1: when I see these press releases come through when there

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Speaker 1: has been a domestic violence death, people are not charged

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie. Some those loopholes, and I'll call them labour's

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Speaker 2: loopholes because you know, but no, no.

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Speaker 1: No, that's what the police are charging.

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Speaker 2: Is that's right, and those loopholes that have been in

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Speaker 2: And that's why with this legislation, I'm going to be

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Speaker 1: To be telling the police that they have to charge

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this we want to make sure the clear

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Speaker 2: message is that there's no loopholes in this legislation. If

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Speaker 2: you commit murder of your partner, then you will spend

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Speaker 2: the rest of your life behind bars. And so that's

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Speaker 2: why I'm going to send this legislation to the Scrutiny

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Speaker 2: Committee as well, because I need to ensure that the

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Speaker 2: loopholes that we know exist are not going to be

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Speaker 1: I get it, like, I get what you're saying that

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Speaker 1: you want to make sure those loopholes are closed. But

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Speaker 1: you know, very often the police there's like sometimes there

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Speaker 1: can be gray areas there. So it's not all that

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Speaker 1: often that you actually see information come through, particularly in

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Speaker 1: a domestic violence situation where somebody is charged with murder,

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Speaker 1: you know, generally they're charged with other other charges. And

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Speaker 1: so I just wonder how many people you know, or

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Speaker 1: what kind of impact this legislative change is is practically

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, I think we need to send the strongest

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Speaker 2: of messages about DV murder, and this is where it starts.

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Speaker 2: We have to make sure that if you murder your

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Speaker 2: are many, many cases, We've heard them all before, that

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Speaker 2: those people are not going to get away with murder.

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Speaker 2: They need to be charged, and of course there'll be

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Speaker 2: a process in a court case, but then when they've

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Speaker 2: found guilty, they will spend the rest of their life

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Speaker 2: in prison. But at the moment of sentencing that we

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Speaker 1: Look, and I want to make it really clear, I'm

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Speaker 1: not arguing the point of somebody getting a mandatory sentence

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Speaker 1: anyone charged with more murder already gets a mandatory twenty

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Speaker 1: suppose what I'm getting to is, is this sort of

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Speaker 2: No So the big difference is Katie, is that that

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Speaker 2: What we're enshrining in legislation is that it's now going

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Speaker 2: I said, they may end up being in there longer

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Speaker 2: because there's a whole other process after that twenty five

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Speaker 2: to stop seeing is one light sentences that do not

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Speaker 2: serve the justice for our community and the victims, but

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Speaker 2: two making sure that these people do actually spend life

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Speaker 1: Look, I think that most people listening will agree. I

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Speaker 1: guess the worry is, you know, whether it's going to

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Speaker 1: sort of going to see some change, and only time

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Speaker 1: will tell. But Attorney General, I do want to ask

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Speaker 1: feel that this change was required.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've been out in the community for a very

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Speaker 2: long time. Katie talking to the community. We've seen the

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Speaker 2: rates of domestic violence, not just murder, which as I said,

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Speaker 2: is seven times higher in this state than any other jurisdiction,

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Speaker 2: but even just the domestic violencer happens every day to

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Speaker 2: you know, this is one of those next steps in

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Speaker 2: our reducing crime strategy. We want to ensure that everybody

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Speaker 2: understands that there's no more second chances, there's no more excuses,

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Speaker 2: there's no more discounts when it comes to murdering your partner.

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Speaker 2: And you know, like all ways, I always say, this

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Speaker 2: isn't the end. We continue to work on ensuring that

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Speaker 2: we can reduce crime and we have to get those

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Speaker 2: they have been through the roof and we just cannot

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Speaker 1: Do we have room in the prisons? I know that

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Speaker 1: that'll be what some people are questioning this morning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you probably heard our Deputy Chief Minister mainly

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Speaker 1: Now, is there anything else on the agenda today? Parliament

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Speaker 1: obviously resuming for the first time in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: What is the focus of the government.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it is the first day of the year

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Speaker 2: the morning where people can pay their respects to that

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Speaker 2: Working with Children legislation, and that's to ensure that no

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Speaker 2: Really important legislation. And then there's a lot of other

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Speaker 2: that I've talked about already. We've got some small changes

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Speaker 2: with the Bail Act, but important changes about ensuring that

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Speaker 2: those bail laws apply to Supreme Court, Local Court and

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, yeah, what are they all about?

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Speaker 2: Well, basically, the justice system was a bit confused whether

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Speaker 2: it does apply to all three courts or just one

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Speaker 2: or two. And I'm making it very clear Katie that

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Speaker 2: it doesn't matter whether you're an adult or a youth,

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Speaker 2: that the bail laws apply wholeheartedly to you.

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Speaker 1: Which part do you mean do you mean the part

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Speaker 1: we're we're you know, a judge has to be confident

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Speaker 1: that somebody is not going to reoffend or exactly it's.

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Speaker 2: All about community safety and those thresholds.

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Speaker 1: And so are you concerned that some of those that

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Speaker 1: in which court? Exactly do you feel as though that

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Speaker 1: wasn't being upheld?

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Speaker 2: It was in the youth court, Katie. And so that's

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Speaker 2: why we're sending a very strong message. I will introduce

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Speaker 2: that later in the week, so I have definitely more

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Speaker 2: to say about that. But basically the message is that

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Speaker 2: if you you know, if you're getting bailed in one

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Speaker 1: So what had happened in the youth court that made

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Speaker 1: you concerned that this needed to be made really clear

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Speaker 1: that this legislation was in place in all three of

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Speaker 1: the courts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So in a couple of minutes I've got left. Yes,

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Speaker 2: it's quite a lengthy story. Basically, in one of the courts,

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Speaker 2: a Youth Justice Court, there was a decision made and

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Speaker 2: the DPP applied for them to have their bail applications stayed.

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Speaker 2: The Youth Justice Court said are no, no, he doesn't

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Speaker 2: apply to here, and seven days later it was reversed

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Speaker 2: by the Chief Justice. What we're saying is to make

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Speaker 2: it very clear to everybody involved in the justice system

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Speaker 2: that those anomalies aren't acceptable, and that we're making it

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Speaker 2: very clear in legislation that our bail laws, all of them,

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Speaker 2: apply to all three courts.

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Speaker 1: So you were concerned that some within the Youth Justice

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Speaker 1: Court were really flouting what you'd wanted to have happened.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't use those words. What it is is

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Speaker 2: making it very very clear to all of those participants

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Speaker 2: in the justice system that our bail laws applied to

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Speaker 2: everybody in every court.

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Speaker 1: Attorney General, I know you've got to run, but when

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Speaker 1: do you expect that the domestic violence mandatory sentencing is

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Speaker 1: going to come into place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll introduce it this week, It'll go to the

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Speaker 2: Legislation Scrutiny Committee to be debated in March, and then

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Speaker 2: implement it as soon as possible thereafter.

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Speaker 1: Attorney General Murray Claire Boothby, we know Parliament sitting you

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Speaker 1: busy this morning. Thank you for your time, Thank you Katie,

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Speaker 1: and for your listeners, thanks so much.