Speaker 1: It's in the news today, but it was actually on
Speaker 1: TV Reload the podcast last week, don't I welcome back
Speaker 1: guys to TV Reload. My name's Benjamin Norris and on
Speaker 1: this podcast I go behind the scenes with the biggest
Speaker 1: players in television.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great questions. The show's about the game. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of great television out there in Australia.
Speaker 1: But I've also got to go behind the scenes with writers.
Speaker 1: The truth is, when I started writing it, it wasn't
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with the news and casting agents.
Speaker 2: They know from a casting point of view what they need.
Speaker 1: And editors because that's what we do as editors where storytellers.
Speaker 1: Not to forget some incredible executive producers who are making
Speaker 1: some of the best TV in Australia.
Speaker 2: I have been on the program since the beginning and
Speaker 2: it's kind of in my DNA.
Speaker 1: So thanks for joining me each week and I hope
Speaker 1: the podcast continues to give you real insight into the
Speaker 1: magic of television today. On the podcast, I have cahn Ong,
Speaker 1: who is the eleventh person to be eliminated from Australian
Speaker 1: Survivor twenty twenty two. Channel ten didn't have to look
Speaker 1: far with this reality TV Superstar, having come competed in
Speaker 1: two seasons of Australian Master Chef, and I don't even
Speaker 1: think the producers at EndemolShine Australia had any idea how
Speaker 1: great a player Khan would prove to be. While he
Speaker 1: won sixty thousand dollars before being eliminated last night, Khan
Speaker 1: walked away with his handheld high and a nickname commonly
Speaker 1: used to a super player, that being a King. We
Speaker 1: talk about what the game would have looked like had
Speaker 1: his sister Amy survived a little longer, what he thinks
Speaker 1: about Sam not giving him the heads up a secret injury,
Speaker 1: and who he thinks will win. There's plenty more to
Speaker 1: come in out chat and without further ado, let's welcome
Speaker 1: King Khan to TV Reload.
Speaker 2: I tried really hard to speak to the fans previously
Speaker 2: on Australian Survivor. I tore a muscle in my shoulder
Speaker 2: and I didn't even know when to my left.
Speaker 1: Master Chef alumni can't on team enough to take on
Speaker 1: the ultimate game of Survivor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she could have told me, but that would have
Speaker 2: jeopardized her relationship with the other people we have MAJORI
Speaker 2: I told you that. What on earth would you say?
Speaker 2: We can't wait? Did you write a makeup artist into
Speaker 2: your contract? When I first voted out of Blood versus
Speaker 2: Water first member of our jury? Can't wait a minute?
Speaker 2: Are you all blindsiding me?
Speaker 1: Congratulations on such an impressive time on Australian Survivor. How
Speaker 1: do you feel now that you can fully talk about it.
Speaker 2: I'm happy that I can tweet about it properly, I
Speaker 2: can watch it, I can talk about him as a
Speaker 2: fan now. Before this, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: what can I say? Why can't I say? I don't
Speaker 2: want to offend anyone, but I've been such a massive
Speaker 2: fan of the series for so long when I just like,
Speaker 2: I just wanted to be there.
Speaker 1: You know, I think you were very active on Twitter,
Speaker 1: and I think that you were fantastic for fans to
Speaker 1: interact with. Even for me, it was really surreal because
Speaker 1: I wanted to write to you all the time and
Speaker 1: ask you lots of questions, but I just thought that
Speaker 1: was totally unprofessional, so I just had to wait until
Speaker 1: this time.
Speaker 2: I tried really hard to speak to the fans and
Speaker 2: kind of dissect certain things, but not give too much
Speaker 2: away either, because there's obviously reasons why we don't see
Speaker 2: certain scenes or see certain relationships or conversations. So sometimes
Speaker 2: it's best if I don't talk about it. But then
Speaker 2: there are certain little things where I'm like, Okay, this
Speaker 2: is what happened, and this is why that worked out
Speaker 2: that way.
Speaker 1: Is there a time where you're thinking, wow, this is
Speaker 1: not how it happened in my mind, because think about it,
Speaker 1: we can all walk into a room and see something
Speaker 1: and walk out and have a different interpretation of it,
Speaker 1: and then you've got reality television, which means that it
Speaker 1: could be edited a certain way or from a different
Speaker 1: person's narrative. How much of your experience was like what
Speaker 1: the TV showed us?
Speaker 2: The majority of my experience is exactly what you see
Speaker 2: on the TV. But there were moments where like, for example,
Speaker 2: there was a vote where the vote didn't happen because
Speaker 2: Alex went home, and the way that we saw on
Speaker 2: that episode because he left was that I was going
Speaker 2: to get blindsided, but that wasn't going to happen because
Speaker 2: that was what we wanted Sophie to think was happening.
Speaker 2: So we were seeing that side of the story where
Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, if one's voting on Calm this one day,
Speaker 2: but that wasn't actually the case. We were doing that
Speaker 2: to kind of make Sophie feel like I was leaving.
Speaker 2: But we're only seeing one side of that because we're
Speaker 2: all acting like do you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 2: we're all trying to like trying to protect Sophie's idea
Speaker 2: of the game. But that was what we ended up seeing.
Speaker 2: But for one minute there, I went, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: are you all blind siding men? So I was texting
Speaker 2: people I was watching it, be like was I going
Speaker 2: home this night? And Anyone's like, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: we guarantee you were not going. And I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: so I had to like double check.
Speaker 1: Isn't it strange though, that Survivor you are allowed to
Speaker 1: get away with so much that on other reality shows
Speaker 1: you'd be absolutely crucified for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that again, like Survivor, you can't do it.
Speaker 2: You can't be a fan, you can't watch it, and
Speaker 2: you can't play it without understanding that people will lie
Speaker 2: to you, you'll get stabbed in the back, and people
Speaker 2: will make really hard decisions because that's how you get further.
Speaker 2: The whole idea is to be the sole survivor. The
Speaker 2: idea isn't to protect relationship. Obviously, there are ways that
Speaker 2: you can play the game where it's not super offensive
Speaker 2: or aggressive. That's how I think I chose to play
Speaker 2: the game. But I can't get annoyed. I can't get
Speaker 2: annoyed about someone doing better than me. Like the tribe
Speaker 2: got rid of me yesterday because I'm a threat, and
Speaker 2: that's great, but they outplayed me.
Speaker 1: Well, let's start at the start. The last time I
Speaker 1: spoke to you, you mentioned that you were interested in
Speaker 1: a few upcoming reality shows. How long has this one
Speaker 1: been cooking for in the background.
Speaker 2: I've been wanting this for so long. I've been wanting
Speaker 2: this for so long. I literally, I think last year
Speaker 2: I basically said this is the one I'm going for.
Speaker 2: I'm saying no to every single other show. I will
Speaker 2: not do anything until I get survival because this is
Speaker 2: what I wanted and I didn't want to jeopardize it
Speaker 2: by doing anything else. I was like, no, No, I applied,
Speaker 2: and they went through the whole audition process and once
Speaker 2: we got the okay and and they're like, oh, we
Speaker 2: want someone else to come with you, And I was like, oh, great,
Speaker 2: Amy's not going to come with me. She hates things
Speaker 2: on TV, she doesn't like attention, She's not going to
Speaker 2: do this, and then she ended up falling in love
Speaker 2: with it and like and being totally obsessed with the game.
Speaker 2: She wants to play again.
Speaker 1: I was obsessed with Amy on the show, like I honestly,
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed her time, and I think there's some
Speaker 1: kind of proof that people who don't really want to
Speaker 1: go on reality are perfect for reality.
Speaker 2: I just couldn't get over how fun sure that she was.
Speaker 2: I'm like, why did you why did you do that move?
Speaker 2: And why did you go home? And I got really
Speaker 2: bored because no one was doing anything that is such
Speaker 2: a herb and her skin when we talk about the
Speaker 2: fact that my sister's skin got better every single day
Speaker 2: she was out there, and I'm like, wait, did you
Speaker 2: write a makeup artist into your contract? Like, what's going
Speaker 2: on here?
Speaker 1: You both did. Actually, let's just talk about that fairly.
Speaker 1: I was like last night watching your like looking at
Speaker 1: your skin and looking how fit and healthy you looked.
Speaker 1: I think you both really blossomed through the whole experience.
Speaker 2: It's probably the lack of toxins that were going into
Speaker 2: that body. No alcohol, no bad fat, no bad cups,
Speaker 2: no process anything like my body was. He was like, Yep,
Speaker 2: we like this kind of lifestyle. Literally, I left and
Speaker 2: that skiller I need to shove to heal.
Speaker 1: A as What does the audition process look like for
Speaker 1: someone like yourself who has already been on something as
Speaker 1: big as Master Chef? I mean, do you think that
Speaker 1: holds you back or did it make the producers think, Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is going to work, or
Speaker 1: do you think it worked in your favor?
Speaker 2: I don't know if it worked in my favor. I
Speaker 2: thought that it wasn't going to I thought that being
Speaker 2: on this Chef already, that people would be like, no,
Speaker 2: that we're not bringing him on another show. And then
Speaker 2: I was really worried that the fans would think the
Speaker 2: same thing. I thought that they would go, Okay, he's
Speaker 2: done Master Chef, he only just wants to jump into
Speaker 2: another show. But that wasn't the case. Like Survivor, I
Speaker 2: wanted to play. And I'm really happy that the viewers
Speaker 2: at home when they watched it, they kind of understood
Speaker 2: that and they were super supportive of it, and that
Speaker 2: they could see that no, no, I was there to play.
Speaker 2: I wasn't there to just be on TV.
Speaker 1: Well, you can't fake the truth, you know, I think authentically,
Speaker 1: once you turn up on television, it would have been
Speaker 1: written all over your face if that's all it was.
Speaker 1: If you were so out of place because you shouldn't
Speaker 1: have been there, and it was just a grab at
Speaker 1: something else. Fewers would have known that. But from the
Speaker 1: moment that you turn up on that show, I realized
Speaker 1: you were a Super Survivor fan. What was that feeling
Speaker 1: like to finally get the yes and then be playing
Speaker 1: for realsies.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you now. As soon as I got that yes,
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, the workouts have to happen. I've
Speaker 2: got to practice my puzzles. But I was training so
Speaker 2: hard for it. I flew my sister and I to
Speaker 2: Darwin to learn how to make fire with a survival
Speaker 2: expert because I was like, we need to know how
Speaker 2: to do these things, Amy, and we need to know now.
Speaker 2: I was so pumped for it. I was like, even
Speaker 2: me thinking about it now, like it was the best,
Speaker 2: the best feeling. I just couldn't believe that I actually
Speaker 2: got the chance to do it and they said yes
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, a source leaked you to so dramatic
Speaker 1: really early on. I don't know if you realized that,
Speaker 1: but even before you even started filming, Meghan Monstetto had
Speaker 1: that you know you were going to be on the show.
Speaker 1: How hard is it to keep something like this a
Speaker 1: secret from the thirsty universe that is the people behind
Speaker 1: you know, television commentary.
Speaker 2: Look, I just didn't take notices. I just didn't talk
Speaker 2: about it. I just didn't. I didn't even comment on it,
Speaker 2: like as in like when it got leaked, I was
Speaker 2: like I just pretended that it didn't exist in my life.
Speaker 2: Like it was just it's better to just not feed
Speaker 2: the machine. So I'm just like, yeah, if you don't
Speaker 2: say anything, nothing can be said.
Speaker 1: Well, I think your strength and contribution to the tribe
Speaker 1: was phenomenal. By the way, Like I just personally, I've
Speaker 1: seen you fall down a flight of stairs accidentally, so
Speaker 1: I know you have not do you have not? Uh
Speaker 1: the security footage of that, by the way, which I
Speaker 1: still have on my phone. It's about ten years ago,
Speaker 1: But I will say it's so phenomenal. How fit you were,
Speaker 1: you know to be on this show? How was the
Speaker 1: training overall? And was it as dramatic as it appeared
Speaker 1: for the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really really difficult. The challenges were were hard.
Speaker 2: I knew that they were going to be hot. I
Speaker 2: injured myself second day or something like that. I tore.
Speaker 2: I tore a muscle in my shoulder and I didn't
Speaker 2: even know into my.
Speaker 1: Left Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: Yes, I went and got like stance afterwards, and there
Speaker 2: was a tear in my shoulder that I didn't even
Speaker 2: know about because I was just like, no, I'm not leaving,
Speaker 2: I'm not getting tested for anything. I want to keep playing.
Speaker 1: Watching you, I just thought you were at the You
Speaker 1: were so fit and so able the whole way through,
Speaker 1: like just even right to the very end. Your ability
Speaker 1: to win these challenges or participate in these challenges was
Speaker 1: just so amazing to watch.
Speaker 2: I thank you. I think it's with the challenges on Survivor,
Speaker 2: it's more about your mental strength and your body. I
Speaker 2: think physically, I feel like I feel like it's just
Speaker 2: how strong can you be? How much? How how much
Speaker 2: do you want it? Because I wanted that sixty K.
Speaker 1: Well, you found an idol and you kept it in
Speaker 1: your back pocket, which I felt so nervous about every
Speaker 1: single episode because, as you know, that puts a target
Speaker 1: on your back. Could you have played this idol earlier?
Speaker 2: There was definitely no need earlier. I knew every single
Speaker 2: vote where they were going. I knew all two or
Speaker 2: three that they were in place. I knew exactly what
Speaker 2: was going to happen. The only time that I didn't
Speaker 2: know the votes was yesterday when I got eliminated. That
Speaker 2: I only heard one plan, and I was suspicious a
Speaker 2: little bit because I was like, there's always more than
Speaker 2: one plan. So when I thought I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: maybe it is just a straight out vote. That's probably
Speaker 2: because I was the other plan. But I didn't think
Speaker 2: like that. I was like, oh, we're all working together,
Speaker 2: we're just doing this, and then we're going to keep
Speaker 2: the idol for the next vote. Very naive, very trusting,
Speaker 2: very me.
Speaker 1: What made you so sure each of those tribal councils
Speaker 1: that you didn't think you were going to go on home?
Speaker 2: A lot of them were very circumstantial. It was who
Speaker 2: we wanted to move forward with, what relationships I had
Speaker 2: in place, And yeah, I know sometimes it's hard to
Speaker 2: trust every single relationship, but you don't really have a choice.
Speaker 2: You either trust it or you get paranoid and you
Speaker 2: make dumb moves. But then when you sometimes when you
Speaker 2: don't trust in a relationship and it is a real relationship,
Speaker 2: you'd end up losing that person because they're like, well,
Speaker 2: you didn't trust me, so why should I. So I
Speaker 2: went in blind with a lot of my relationships. But
Speaker 2: that's that's how I am, which is like, so dumb,
Speaker 2: but it's just kind of what Yeah, it's just who
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 1: Why didn't Sam tell you to play the idol last night?
Speaker 1: Like I felt really disappointed for you because I could
Speaker 1: see how much you had invested in that friendship and
Speaker 1: relationship the way you did, you know, But why didn't
Speaker 1: she tell you? So?
Speaker 2: Sam, Well, I think what the viewers are forgetting at
Speaker 2: home is Sam not playing her myself. She's playing with
Speaker 2: her husband that go home. They're together, they have a
Speaker 2: child together, they have a mortgage together. Like they are
Speaker 2: playing as one unit. You're not watching that because you
Speaker 2: see two people, but you need to understand that they
Speaker 2: are going to do what is best for them in
Speaker 2: the long run. Yeah, she could have told me, but
Speaker 2: that would have jeopardized possibly her relationship or max relationship
Speaker 2: with the other people that he's already in an alliance with.
Speaker 2: So if they think that me not knowing me going
Speaker 2: home is best for them and best for them to win,
Speaker 2: it makes total sense. Like and I don't hate her
Speaker 2: for it. I don't feel bad about it. I think
Speaker 2: that it's the smartest move for her if she wants
Speaker 2: to win. They're playing to win.
Speaker 1: Well, you walked away from the revelation of your time
Speaker 1: on the show being cut short with such grace and humility.
Speaker 1: I don't even know where that kind of humility comes from,
Speaker 1: because you took it so well.
Speaker 2: I think for me, Survivor Is was always a bucket listing,
Speaker 2: But I also did it for myself. I know that
Speaker 2: sounds kind of selfish, but like a lot of the time,
Speaker 2: we should be led by how we want to feel.
Speaker 2: And I wanted to know that I could do this.
Speaker 2: I wanted to play, and I wanted to do everything.
Speaker 2: And I feel like I achieved everything. I found the idol.
Speaker 2: I got blindsided, I conducted bryandized I want challenges. The
Speaker 2: only thing I didn't do was win. And sometimes it's
Speaker 2: not about winning. Sometimes it's like, am I proud of
Speaker 2: the person that I was throughout this, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I am, like, like, I made a dumb decision, but
Speaker 2: at least I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1: You bought the Ultimate Survivor showbag is how I like
Speaker 1: to think of it. Do you think that there could
Speaker 1: or should have been a twist to save you? As
Speaker 1: I think that you know, you being Gonde's going to
Speaker 1: leave a massive hole in the story line.
Speaker 2: I think that twists and things like that are all
Speaker 2: night a lot earlier than on the day that the
Speaker 2: person leaves. I think that there should not never be
Speaker 2: any kind of preferential treatment for anyone, And it doesn't
Speaker 2: matter how big of a hole you may think that
Speaker 2: I leave, There's going to be other people's game plays
Speaker 2: that are going to take over that will be super interesting.
Speaker 2: And also I haven't gone. I'm on the jury, Like
Speaker 2: my outfits are absolute fire this season, so just like
Speaker 2: hang out for that?
Speaker 1: What did you get to stick around until the filming ends? Then? Like,
Speaker 1: so you're on the final jury? Does that mean that
Speaker 1: you didn't fly home to Melbourne? Like were you still
Speaker 1: sitting there in the wings for that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I was still there. Where we're at the
Speaker 2: jury of Villa so you can watch those of you
Speaker 2: at home can watch that on templay. Yes, yeah, so
Speaker 2: it's a little side show. First episode is me. You'll
Speaker 2: see my first outfit of the night. It's where you
Speaker 2: get to get all glammed and you get to shower
Speaker 2: and you get to eat real food, and then you
Speaker 2: come back and watch them boat each other wrong and
Speaker 2: you're just like, ah, this is fun. I'm full, and
Speaker 2: you're hungry and you're starving.
Speaker 1: It sucked in. If Amy had made it to the merge,
Speaker 1: do you think that things would have been different for you?
Speaker 2: Obviously, because then I'll have someone that like is one
Speaker 2: hundred percent of my mess. But also she's so cutthroat
Speaker 2: that I reckon if that was like her vote, she
Speaker 2: would have been Liken's going anyway, I'll lead this, You're
Speaker 2: going as you know why, she would actually do it
Speaker 2: and get rid of my idol as well.
Speaker 1: Oh and then you'd have to go home and you
Speaker 1: know the fight would continue. The title of King Khan
Speaker 1: was almost a little too soon in my mind, considering
Speaker 1: King George last series was so prominent. Do you just
Speaker 1: have to wear these nicknames that you that you're given, Babe?
Speaker 2: I literally wanted to share that said like pig the
Speaker 2: patriarchy After how I knew that was my name? Because
Speaker 2: I was like, what is this? I had no idea
Speaker 2: I was King Khan. I did not even have a nickname.
Speaker 2: I was like really upset for a while, being like,
Speaker 2: no one wants to name me anything fun? Like done
Speaker 2: nothing fun, not realizing that Mark and Chrissy had that
Speaker 2: for my day two.
Speaker 1: It's a common nickname for survivor. So again, it's quite
Speaker 1: impressive that you're able to get that. Is there any
Speaker 1: way that you can pick up any hints from the
Speaker 1: producers when they're doing those pieces to camera? I can
Speaker 1: imagine you knowing you as well as I do. You
Speaker 1: have an amazing social game in the real world, like
Speaker 1: you read people unbelievably well. Were you trying to read
Speaker 1: what the producers were saying, or could you try and
Speaker 1: pick up any accidental clues?
Speaker 2: They are so good at their jobs. They are so
Speaker 2: good they wouldn't even acknowledge it. When I gave I
Speaker 2: handed Shaye an idol that was hers that she had found,
Speaker 2: and in the interviews, unless I spoke about Shane's idol,
Speaker 2: they would not ask me about Shae's idol because they're like,
Speaker 2: we don't know what you know. We can't leave you
Speaker 2: on anything. It's all up to you. And I was like,
Speaker 2: and that is so different from Master Chef because one
Speaker 2: Master Chef you get questions about things that you're doing. Here,
Speaker 2: it's not like it's like we don't know what you're doing,
Speaker 2: we don't know what's going on. We don't know just
Speaker 2: in case you ruin gameplay. So they are so great
Speaker 2: at their job. I like the only thing that I
Speaker 2: thought I was strange was when you know, when they
Speaker 2: asked you if you want to use your idol, I
Speaker 2: can ask you if you want to do you know?
Speaker 2: I felt like I went for extra long. I was like, wait,
Speaker 2: did he just leave like a two minute gap? Like?
Speaker 2: And then I was like maybe that was trying to
Speaker 2: make me use But then I'm like, did I just
Speaker 2: think that afterwards because it was like so good?
Speaker 1: No. I think that they knew because the viewers, they
Speaker 1: knew ahead of time that Australia would be watching you
Speaker 1: going use the goddamn idol, and I think they needed
Speaker 1: to capture certain looks on your face.
Speaker 2: I went through it all. I can't hid anything on
Speaker 2: my face. I went through it all.
Speaker 1: Well, I really love it, and I have to ask you,
Speaker 1: you know, being such a big Survivor fan, being there
Speaker 1: and seeing it at this point of the game, you
Speaker 1: know that we're at who did you think was going
Speaker 1: to win?
Speaker 2: Jesse and Josh at that point when I had left,
Speaker 2: they were very very well placed. They had made enough moves,
Speaker 2: but they kept it quiet. They were in control, but
Speaker 2: they weren't threats yet, which means that they they had
Speaker 2: a resume at the end, but they could actually get
Speaker 2: to the end.
Speaker 1: Well. Master Chef is coming back this year, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's an old stomping ground for you and some
Speaker 1: of these shows on Telly, you know, have been on
Speaker 1: for so long, you know, do you think that as
Speaker 1: they try and spruce the moose with these formats, you know,
Speaker 1: is there anything that you'd like to see Channel ten
Speaker 1: do differently for the twenty twenty two series of Mastershef.
Speaker 2: I think they're doing something that's very interesting and I'm
Speaker 2: already really excited for us. I don't think they can
Speaker 2: do anything differently, Like I've been hearing a little little
Speaker 2: whispers about the season, and I'm super excited for what's
Speaker 2: about to happen.
Speaker 1: Oh, come on, you can tell us what do you think, Like,
Speaker 1: tell us a little clue, give us something.
Speaker 2: There may be some middle faces, Okay, yeah, and I
Speaker 2: think that's really cool. That's really really cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well it worked when you came back for you know,
Speaker 1: the All Stars for Master Chef. I mean that series
Speaker 1: just rated and proved that, you know, there is a
Speaker 1: real thirst out there to sort of look back and
Speaker 1: see people and see where people are at reinvest and
Speaker 1: find out where people have gone since the last time.
Speaker 2: That maybe time I'll win. No, I'm joking. I'm joking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're going to have to get a phone call
Speaker 1: from the people at Survivor. I don't think your Survivor's
Speaker 1: story is over. What is something This is something I
Speaker 1: ask everyone on the podcast. What is something from behind
Speaker 1: the scenes that we as an audience would appreciate that
Speaker 1: we might not have seen during your time on Survivor.
Speaker 2: A lot of them this is put on our mental health. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I feel like that's something that I don't think
Speaker 2: that everyone would assume would be super important. But there's
Speaker 2: literally a psychologist there if we ever needed it. So
Speaker 2: there's a lot of support for us. So, like you know,
Speaker 2: obviously we got a check ups after challenges to see
Speaker 2: through the word fifty ok. But there's always that question
Speaker 2: are you mentally okay? And I think that's really important.
Speaker 1: That's probably why Survivor is so well loved. And how
Speaker 1: many seasons dereck and there is all up like all
Speaker 1: around the world Familia seventy.
Speaker 2: I reckon yeah, because there's like forty two or something
Speaker 2: in American.
Speaker 1: With I mean, you have to protect the brand, and
Speaker 1: so you've got to be able to have those people there.
Speaker 1: I just want to say, can't. I absolutely loved watching
Speaker 1: you on the show. I went in watching it being like,
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you're there because I knew you, so
Speaker 1: I had sort of this emotion attached to that. But
Speaker 1: then I ended up which is surreal. I just ended
Speaker 1: up loving you on the show, even if I hadn't
Speaker 1: have ever known anything about you. So you should be
Speaker 1: very proud.
Speaker 2: That's very sweet. Thank you so much.