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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for.

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Speaker 2: The time poor parent who just wants answers.

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Speaker 1: Now this week. I'm not sure if you saw this

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Speaker 1: in the news missus Happy Families, but a moon landing occurred.

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Speaker 1: The United States for the first time since the nineteen sixties,

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Speaker 1: has sent a probe up to the Moon. No people

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Speaker 1: this time, but there's probe on the moon. A moon

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Speaker 1: landing has occurred. We're getting images from the Moon. I

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Speaker 1: think this is fascinating. I think it's amazing that this

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Speaker 1: is happening. Did you know I was googling. Do you

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Speaker 1: know that Australia is wider than the Moon.

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Speaker 2: Australia is wider.

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Speaker 1: Wider than the Moon.

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Speaker 2: So if the Moon was here and was sitting on

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Speaker 2: top of Australia, Australia would still be bigger.

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Speaker 1: That's an exact that's a great way to picture it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can imagine the Moon literally landing on Australia and

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Speaker 1: there would be space on either end of Australia where

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Speaker 1: you could sort of look up at the Moon from

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Speaker 1: the east to the west coast. I found this. The

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Speaker 1: Moon sits at three thousand, four hundred kilometers in diameter.

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Speaker 1: If you were to pass a skewer all the way

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Speaker 1: through the Moon from one end to the other through

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Speaker 1: out of space, you would need to have a three thousand,

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Speaker 1: four hundred kilometer long wooden skewer to push it through

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Speaker 1: the Moon.

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Speaker 2: You could go east to west on this barbecue of.

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Speaker 1: The Australian continent. It would take four thousand kilometers four

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Speaker 1: thousand kilometers versus thirty four hundred k's. Australia is wider

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Speaker 1: than the Moon. I found that on the We are

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Speaker 1: Teachers Weird fun Facts. You know another fun fact. I

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Speaker 1: know that this is not what our podcast is about today. Headphones.

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Speaker 1: Headphones can increase the bacteria in your ears. Wearing headphones

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Speaker 1: for just an hour could increase the bacteria in your

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Speaker 1: ears by seven hundred times.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. When I with those little earbuds, my ears get

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Speaker 2: really hot and they almost like sweaty.

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Speaker 1: Do you need to get like cotton tips after you've

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Anyway, today we digress.

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Speaker 2: Seriously, I do not know where your head goes. Sometimes

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Speaker 2: it's so hard to follow.

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Speaker 1: You, ADHD. That's just four letters, ADHD. Hey, let's dive

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Speaker 1: into today's podcast, Kylie. Every Friday we talk about the

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Speaker 1: things that we've done right or things that we've done wrong.

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Speaker 1: In aid of intentional parenting. We're trying to be better.

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Speaker 1: It's called I'll do better tomorrow. Here's a fun fact

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Speaker 1: for you. I've been traveling so much and speaking so

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Speaker 1: much that I'm barely home and I'm trying to write

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Speaker 1: a book at the same time. So I'm kind of

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Speaker 1: doing either not home at all or fourteen fifteen hour

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Speaker 2: You know that adage that you once a parent, always

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Speaker 2: a parent.

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Speaker 1: No, Yeah, I know what you're saying. Yeah, I'm supposed

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Speaker 1: so I'm going to struggle with older better tomorrow today.

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Speaker 1: So what I'd like you to do is go first.

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Speaker 1: I can try to think of something to talk about.

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Speaker 1: Have you had a win, have you had a loss

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Speaker 1: of things going right? Are things going wrong? What can

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Speaker 1: we learn about the parenting that you've engaged with this week?

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Speaker 1: Kylie calson missus Happy Families.

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Speaker 2: A couple of days ago, we reached out to our

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Speaker 2: Facebook following and asked them to share with us the

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Speaker 2: best parenting advice they've ever.

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Speaker 1: Received, Very very best.

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Speaker 2: And I don't want to give too much away because

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Speaker 2: we are actually going to share the best of the

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Speaker 2: best next week on Monday. One of the pieces of

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Speaker 2: advice that was given and shared really just struck a

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Speaker 2: chord with me. It's not you. I've heard it before,

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Speaker 2: and you and I have actually spoken about it, but

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Speaker 2: it was never let go of your child first. When

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Speaker 2: you embrace.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, when you hug, hold on until they let go.

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Speaker 2: And I've noticed over the last few weeks that one

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Speaker 1: It reminds me of the Goldfleck story. There's the story

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Speaker 1: While he's doing all this panning, keeps on pulling rocks

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Speaker 1: it comes to family life, it's the same principle that applies.

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Speaker 1: Family life is rocky and bumpy and dirty and messy

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Speaker 2: Most big pile of rocks.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's right. Literally, you look around the house sometimes

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Speaker 1: And I really like our kids, and I love hearing

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Speaker 1: a story like that. My older better tomorrow. Well it's

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Speaker 1: Because she's constantly giving us stuff that we don't want it.

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Speaker 2: She is a giving person, but also comes from that

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Speaker 2: not a hoarderup. No, she just likes to pass on.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what it is. Like. So she gave me,

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Speaker 1: she gave me my grandfather's pocket watch, Like it's got

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Speaker 1: We'll give it to Justin and Kylie. So the other

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Speaker 1: the big thing, Kylie. I have got the best lawn

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Speaker 2: Like well, I was just thinking, you've spent the last

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Speaker 1: great big plaything. There's great big five meter by five.

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Speaker 1: You with all of these whip holes in the ground. Well,

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Speaker 1: And I'm getting so frustrated about it. But guess what,

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Speaker 2: That's your right.

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Speaker 1: My mom provided us with some secondhand vooley thing that

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Speaker 1: Because there's a quote. Actually, when I was thinking about

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Speaker 1: We're not raising grass, We're raising boys. And I just

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Speaker 1: We want the car to be spotless. Kids got to

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Speaker 2: I had no idea where you were going with this.

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Speaker 2: Because you have you definitely cannot take credit for any that.

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Speaker 1: Oh come on, but I've changed my attitude. That's the

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Speaker 2: There was never going to be a trampoline in our yard.

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Speaker 1: hope that you've got something out of our conversation today

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