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Speaker 1: Get a. I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter,

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Speaker 1: and professional oversharer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure

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Speaker 1: because I believe it's a chance for us to learn,

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Speaker 1: grow and face our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview

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Speaker 1: a different guest about their highs as well as they're lows,

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Speaker 1: all in a bid to inspire us to feiously fail.

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome back to Fearlessly Failing twoenty and twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Now this week we have two guests, So we've got

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Speaker 1: Mum on the guest as the guest today and then

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Speaker 1: on Friday in the diary episode. Good Old Daddy O's

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Speaker 1: been in town and so he jumped on and did

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Speaker 1: the diary ap with me on Friday. So I'm calling

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Speaker 1: it family Week. Why not kick off the new year

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Speaker 1: by celebration some people that I really love. So today

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Speaker 1: we talk all about my Mama Bear. She's an incredible

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Speaker 1: nurse and had a wonderful career, done some really interesting

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Speaker 1: things working in the fields of mental health as well,

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Speaker 1: and had some good stories. So I hope you love

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Speaker 1: this chit chat with Wendy. And then on Friday's episode

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Speaker 1: it'll be a diary episode, same diary format, but it'll

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Speaker 1: be with good old dad Noel, and he'll take it

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Speaker 1: through all the cha shenanigans that we've got up to

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Speaker 1: this Crimbo and New Year. I wish you were happy,

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Speaker 1: Happy New Year. Let's make twenty twenty two a goodie.

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Speaker 1: Wendy Lynn Avery aka my mom, Welcome to the pod.

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Speaker 2: Hi Loala, how are you good?

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Speaker 1: Do you know? Matt says you and I have the

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Speaker 1: exact same laugh. Really that like, yeah, that exactly Okay,

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Speaker 1: So obviously you're my mum. You have also been a

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Speaker 1: nurse for how many years?

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Speaker 3: Oh gee, it's well we're coming up to her sixtieth year.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I.

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Speaker 1: Can't have no, no, can't be no. You just really

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Speaker 1: aged itself for like twenty years.

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Speaker 3: I'm just trying to think we had our forties. So

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Speaker 3: we're coming up to her fiftieth on the twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: So when were you?

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Speaker 2: How old were you in twenty four?

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Speaker 3: We started in nineteen seventy four, okay, nineteen seventy four.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and sorry it's early in the morning here, I

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Speaker 1: know we're waiting. Matt's being a coffee run for us. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: be a bit better after that. So how old roughly

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Speaker 1: were you when you like enrolled into nursing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just eighteen.

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Speaker 3: I started in the August intake, so I worked for

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Speaker 3: a short time before that.

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Speaker 1: Oh so super young, yeah eighteen yeah.

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Speaker 1: So when I asked you to be on this pod,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember, but you're like, oh, no, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then you called me back about a month later

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Speaker 1: and you're like, I've thought about it, and it could

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Speaker 1: be really cool to talk about nursing because if you

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Speaker 1: fail as a nurse, exactly under a high pressure situation yeah,

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Speaker 1: quote unquote, you were like, the results are catastrophic, Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: someone can literally die.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, You've got to get your medications right. You've got

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Speaker 3: to be able to monitor your patients and be able

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Speaker 3: to recognize if they're starting to go downhill and you've

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Speaker 3: got to take action.

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Speaker 2: You can't just say oh, i'll leave it, I'll come

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Speaker 3: You know, often you're in a high precious situation and

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Speaker 3: you have to get drug dosages correct and that sort

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I'm pumped to talk about your career because I

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Speaker 1: think and also to look at like as my child,

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Speaker 1: my memories of like we'd have dinner some nights and

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Speaker 1: you have laminated photos of operations. Well yes, but that

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Speaker 1: I remember you would only do it if you're allowed to.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, no, you always had to get your permission.

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Speaker 1: But my point is, like we'd be at dinner and

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Speaker 1: we were eating. Ministratis do you think? Yeah, okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: so hang on before nursing, is that when you were

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Speaker 1: doing modeling and photography, because photography was a passion too,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was more fostered through a very close friend

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Speaker 1: That's cool. And was it true your modeling name was

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Speaker 3: Look, the thing was when you know, when I was

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Speaker 2: So it was a big distraction.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know. It was fairly naive. I just didn't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right. And so it was a mate that was like,

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Speaker 3: And I sort of thought, oh, oh, that sounds like

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Speaker 3: I was accepted at Atworth Private Hospital, but for an

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Speaker 3: When my time came up to start nursing, I just

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Speaker 2: Young girls started off. And yeah, it was a it.

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Speaker 3: Was an interesting, interesting career choice, and I just embraced it.

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Speaker 3: Many times I wanted to leave, I must say, and

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Speaker 1: Because it'd be pretty confronting, right, And I was thinking

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Speaker 1: about your character traits. You're very good under pressure and

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Speaker 1: I imagine that's like a trait of a nurse, right Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you need to think on your feet and not.

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Speaker 3: But also very organized to you know, being able to

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Speaker 3: the end of the day. Yeah. Wow.

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Speaker 1: So Okay, so obviously you had a nursing career before

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Speaker 1: I came into the world. Yes, correct, So did you

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Speaker 1: start doing what area did so after your training? What

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Speaker 1: area did you start when you were at the Royal Melbourne.

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Speaker 2: Yes, my idea was to work overseas.

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Speaker 3: I just fancied the idea of working overseas and I

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Speaker 3: and I was accepted for their ward management course, which

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Speaker 2: So you get to have a look at You have lectures.

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Speaker 3: I think I did psych and I see you intensive

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Speaker 2: But was a really good experience.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I did work in emergency when I

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Speaker 1: High energy and yeah exactly, you know, and you're probably

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was just an area that I was interested in.

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Speaker 3: So I did a After I did the ward management,

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Speaker 3: I then applied to do a renal care course which

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Speaker 3: renal transplantation and hemodialysis and.

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Speaker 2: Made blood dialysis.

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Speaker 3: People that are in complete renal failure and if they

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Speaker 1: I remember as a kid, if we didn't drink enough water,

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Speaker 1: you'd be like, you're going to get renal failure.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. Well, you would see a lot of people

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Speaker 1: But so, did you say, and you specialize in adolescence?

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Speaker 3: So psych was psych was really interesting. They had you know,

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Thanks sexy. We've got our mum got a cap,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, is it true about the forks? Can you say

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that wasn't me. That was usually the stintent nurse

443
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 2: on placement. You'd make it do that they would get

444
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 2: to dress up in the condom.

445
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 3: And also Dominique, well, I got her as a dressed

446
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 3: in a condom one day.

447
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 2: She was one of the social.

448
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 3: Workers that I worked with there and yeah, so exciting times.

449
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: There was that so coming from like obviously you've got

450
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: the background with working with like youth as well, and

451
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: then also your understanding of all the psych stuff. Well,

452
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: like I imagine being a campus as would be a little

453
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: bit calmer from the other stuff. But then also yeah,

454
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: you're at unire often that's like your most troublesome years,

455
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 1: Like it's hard, you don't know who you are. The

456
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 1: mental health stuff was all going to crop up then

457
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,120
Speaker 1: as well. Was there a trend like in that age group.

458
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 3: Well, one of the reasons I got the job and

459
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 3: I was first employed by Paran Tape and we were

460
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 3: located in Paran was that I'd had experienced working at

461
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 3: Odyssey House and that was only a twelve month position

462
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 3: and I applied at Paran Tave and they had the

463
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 3: hours that suited me because you were at school and

464
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 3: was he was I think he was just starting school

465
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 3: or probably in KINDI at that time, So the hours

466
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 3: sort of fitted and now it was a great job

467
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 3: and I did that physition for eleven years and we.

468
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 2: Were actually.

469
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 3: Amalgamated with Swinburn UNI and so I remained at the

470
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 3: Brand campus. But my main focus of the job was

471
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 3: health education and promotion. We did have a couple of

472
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 3: doctors that would visit during the week, but you were

473
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 3: actually going into classrooms and talking about vaccinating you know,

474
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 3: hep be vaccinations for nursing students and that sort of thing.

475
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 3: And I remember going in and they had these huge

476
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 3: auditoriums and we'd have to speak about, you know, our services,

477
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 3: and gee, if you got stage front, it wouldn't be

478
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 3: too good, but you you actually got over it. And

479
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 3: it was just something that you did at the start

480
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 3: of every year. But you were basically on call while

481
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 3: you were there, so you'd be attending a lot of emergencies.

482
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 3: We had the Niker course that started there with the

483
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 3: circus art, so you'd often go and see a student

484
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 3: that you know had fallen off, tumbled off something. But

485
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 3: also like you'd get a lot of international students who

486
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 3: had no family here and they were just living on

487
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 3: coffee and cigarettes and or sitting down at a computer.

488
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 2: I had one student who fitted and chipped her teeth

489
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 2: on the keyboard.

490
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 3: Because you'd fitted, but basically she'd been spending all that

491
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 3: time sitting on a computer and yeah, no breaks and

492
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 3: just living on coffee, and you know, they do weird things,

493
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 3: these international students, and they've got no family around them.

494
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: So I think when you get in that work mode too,

495
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: and I think it's really hard to get that from

496
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: a visa respective. It's really hard to get visas in Australia.

497
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: So you just don't want to f it up either.

498
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,719
Speaker 1: You want to maintain it. Another thing, if my memory

499
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: of you, and I don't know if this was part

500
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: of your role at swim Burn or Parantave as well,

501
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: but like you would always promote like Pride Week and

502
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: you always like pro very inclusive, like and I remember

503
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: I think it was Pride Week and you sent me

504
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 1: to school in the eight with a little the cool

505
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: gay multicolored flag and you put on my blazer and

506
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 1: I went to a Catholic all girls' school. That's amazing,

507
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 1: but like Catholic all girls schools can be a little

508
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,959
Speaker 1: bit caddy. Yeah, And I remember, you know you were

509
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: like put this pin on your blazer today and I

510
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: went into school and this and I didn't think anything

511
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: of it. I was like, cool, do it?

512
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 2: You know?

513
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: And I think, like you know, cancer Awareness Week, you

514
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: put a different ribbon on my blazer like you would

515
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: always promote whatever the health week was throughout the year,

516
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: and someone was like, that's the gay flag. Are you

517
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: a lesbian? And I was. I remember I came home

518
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: that night and I was mortified and you were like,

519
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: you're wearing the flag. You were like, you've always been

520
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,239
Speaker 1: super pro. Was that part of what you did at

521
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: Swimmon or were you just always just like stuff this?

522
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, exactly, and people need to be aware of things,

523
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 3: and it's just sort of you're dealing with a young

524
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 3: age group and you need to be open to.

525
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: People are figuring out their sexuality is that age.

526
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, need to be really and a percentage of you know,

527
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 3: those students are gay as well, of course. Yeah.

528
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, So was there a did you do a celebration

529
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: of life?

530
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 3: Usually we tried to do weeks that we would promote things.

531
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 3: I remember when we had AIDS, which was early eighties,

532
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 3: and that was a big thing at Odyssey House at

533
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 3: the time.

534
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 2: You know, people were testing for it and that sort

535
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 2: of thing.

536
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 3: And yeah, and then from there going to paran Tave

537
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 3: and yeah, just being aware of AIDS and I remember

538
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 3: a slogan I don't know if I could swear on this,

539
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 3: you can swear yeah, And I remember we were doing

540
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 3: a it was Easter time and we were talking about

541
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 3: sex sed and I had one of was great. We

542
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 3: had performing arts students and they would so I'd be

543
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 3: paying them out of our account, and they were dressing

544
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 3: up as bunnies.

545
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: And then I had big slogans because.

546
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 3: Paran tape you could do this sort of thing because

547
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: I was employed by the student union, and so we

548
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 3: had a big banner pasted in the cafeteria which basically

549
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 3: said don't fuck your Easter, don't fuck up your Easter,

550
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 3: which was great and so encouraging people save sex and

551
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 3: that sort of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was

552
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 3: pretty funny. And the bunny, the guy dressed up as

553
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 3: the bunny, was handing out condoms to people. So yeah, no,

554
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 3: you just needed to, you know, try and educate kids

555
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 3: that didn't know about things.

556
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 2: You know, people would come from the country and all sorts.

557
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's one thing I love about growing up

558
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: with you. Like I've got memories of, like, you know,

559
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: sitting at the dinner table with my grandparents on the

560
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: Smith side of the family side of the house, and

561
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: I remember watching TV one night and it being a

562
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: story like a super hype up story. It would have been

563
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: early nineties because I was in primary school or late

564
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: primary school, yep. And I remember it was a story

565
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: at some story about like a gay couple or something,

566
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: and my grandma looked at me blessed con socks, but

567
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: she said, I hope you grow up normal, yeah, straight, right,

568
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: And I remember in my mind thinking, I fucking hope

569
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: I'm gay for your sake, you know, Like I just

570
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: because you raised me that everyone is equal, like and

571
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: although you know, we know that not everyone gets tree

572
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: it equally, but yeah, I just love like, you know,

573
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: we grew up with like our neighbors being your best mates,

574
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: and like, like our baby's has been two gay guys.

575
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: It was the best, you know what I mean. And

576
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: I just think I feel very lucky for that. And

577
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not super maternal or anything, but I

578
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,479
Speaker 1: always say to Matt, if I have a kid, I

579
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: really hope it's gay kid, because I'd be a great game,

580
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: Like I would be like let's hang, you know, And

581
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: I just I think, like, what a great gift to

582
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: be able to give to a kid where you're fully

583
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: accepted for whoever the f you are. And I feel

584
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: like You've been great for that with me, and that's

585
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: when I wanted to bring up this next thing. And

586
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: this is more of a personal thing, my own personal

587
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,239
Speaker 1: journey of like fertility and the first when COVID first hit,

588
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: I was thirty five and I've just turned recently, turned

589
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: thirty six recently, and I remember I said to you, shit,

590
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: do I need to freeze my eggs? What do I

591
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: need to do? I don't want a kid though, Like

592
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: this is really confronting for me, and you were like,

593
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: chill out. We can talk about this in a few

594
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: years if you're really worried. But you also called me

595
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: in LA and you said, I want you to know

596
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: what's important to me is that you chase your passion

597
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: and you like, go after your dream. That's important to me,

598
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: not spinning out grandkids. And that's been the best I've

599
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: spoken about this another podcast when I've been a guest,

600
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: and that's been a really great gift that you've given

601
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: me because you have taught me march to the b

602
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: of your own drum.

603
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 2: Yep.

604
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: And I probably haven't realized it till I have gone out.

605
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: You know, LA was scary for me. I was on

606
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: my own and stuff and you were like, yeah, go

607
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: go go run, run at it, and yeah, I guess

608
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: what I want to say is like, thank you, because

609
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: I know that's a gift that a parent can give,

610
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: but it's a it's not common, it's not necessarily common

611
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: to get that gift. So thank you.

612
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 2: That's a pleasure.

613
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 3: I know at the end of the day when you've

614
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 3: had kids, for both you and Teston, is that all

615
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 3: you want is for you to live happy, healthy life.

616
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: You know, and be really and have no regrets.

617
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: You know, at the end of your life.

618
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of people they just you know,

619
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 3: work that nine to five job and it's not really

620
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 3: their passion, and yeah, they get to the end of

621
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 3: the life and they think, oh that's it, you know,

622
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 3: it's gone, the time's gone. And I sort of think,

623
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 3: you know, it's not about I know, people you know

624
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 3: want grandkids and that sort of thing, and I'm thinking, no,

625
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 3: it's what you guys want, you know, most definitely.

626
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: But also it's yeah, it's just a really freeing gift

627
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: that you get, like have given me as someone in

628
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: their mid thirties chasing a dream. So thank thank you

629
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: so much for that. I really really appreciate it. I

630
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: want to talk about what you spoke about at dinner

631
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: last night, and you kind of talked about this like

632
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: last third of your life, and I've never looked at

633
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: it like this, but you said, basically, like in the

634
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: early twenties, you kind of feel free, but you've got

635
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: no responsibility figuring out. You're like, oh, I can drive,

636
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: I can do all these things, I can figure out

637
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: what I want to do, and there's no one to

638
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: really hold your too accountable. You haven't had kids yet,

639
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,479
Speaker 1: you're not married, and you said, I kind of feel

640
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: like I'm back in that yeah base. Can you explain

641
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: a bit about yeah.

642
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 3: No, you know when as you get older you sort

643
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 3: of reflect on your life a little bit, and I think,

644
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 3: you know, when I reflect on my life, the happiest

645
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 3: or the most exciting and time of my life was

646
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 3: that sort of late adolescent.

647
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: Early before you got married, where.

648
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 3: You were free, you had no responsibility, You're not saving

649
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 3: up to buy a house or have any of those

650
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 3: worries over your head, and just you're able to do anything.

651
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 3: You look fantastic, that as group is fantastic. Everything looks

652
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 3: good on you, and you can just you could just

653
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 3: do what you're like, you know, it was open slather.

654
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,479
Speaker 3: You could decide what career you wanted. There was no

655
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 3: pressure on you. And then you know, then you get married,

656
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 3: which was lovely as well, and then there's a commitment, well,

657
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 3: when are you're going to have children? Because you only

658
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 3: get married to have children? Did everyone ask you once

659
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 3: you got married? When yeah, a little bit, not so

660
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 3: much more on the Smith's side, but you know, of

661
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 3: course I wanted grandchildren.

662
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 2: And then you know, you have your kids.

663
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: And I loved having the kids and that sort of thing.

664
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 3: But then your focus is bringing up those children, doing

665
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 3: the right thing by those kids. And then there's that

666
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 3: balance of having a career and you know, and raising

667
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 3: kids as well. And even on Adele the other night

668
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 3: that she was talking about, you know, her album is

669
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 3: about you know, she feels.

670
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 2: Terrible that that that.

671
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 3: Point where she's had to have, you know, divorce and

672
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 3: then you know, grow up on you know, as a

673
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 3: single mum and that sort of thing. But there's always

674
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 3: that you know, you are responsible for that child. And

675
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 3: now both you and Tristan you've got your own careers,

676
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 3: your own lives, and now I'm sort of free again.

677
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 3: I'm sort of back at that time, albeit much older

678
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 3: and not that same person.

679
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 2: And you don't look like you did when you were

680
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty.

681
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: You know, exactly give an f about what anyway?

682
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, exactly exactly, and you have that wisdom which

683
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 3: is great and the point of you know, being eighteen nineteen.

684
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 3: I didn't know I wanted to live in the country.

685
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 3: I didn't know that I wanted to have sheep or

686
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 3: chickens or anything like that. It's only been my life experience.

687
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 3: Like my best friend Fiona, who we all started nursing

688
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 3: together and we just clicked, and you know, I would

689
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 3: visit her all the time, and she married and moved

690
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 3: to the country, and so I became very close with

691
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 3: both her and Peter.

692
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: And the kids. We all grew up age, so all

693
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: her kids and your kids, like we're all still mats.

694
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 2: And similar ages. And we do our very pick each year.

695
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 2: And it was just visiting there, you know, a couple

696
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 2: of times a year.

697
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 3: We'd do our very pick at Christmas, which I still

698
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 3: do to this day. And you know, seeing Peter was

699
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 3: actually a local GP, but he also did sculpture.

700
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: He had his fingers in lots of different.

701
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 3: Pies, but they also had cheap on a property as well,

702
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 3: so I would get to see.

703
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: The crutching and I'd be there for the drenching and

704
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: I just love that. And it was only you know

705
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: when finally.

706
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 3: When I sort of thought about, well, retiring, you know,

707
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 3: what am I going to do? Do I want to

708
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 3: stay living in the city, do I want to what

709
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 3: do I want to do?

710
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 2: And it just made sense.

711
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 3: And I've always wanted to have chickens, and just with

712
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 3: having the acre here, I needed to get people saying, oh,

713
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 3: you're going to need a ride or more.

714
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 2: I'm not getting a ride on more. I want sheep.

715
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 3: And I always loved Suffolk sheep from when very British.

716
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 2: Are they Scottish? No, They're they're English sheep.

717
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, black faces and big, very white coats.

718
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. And it was when I was actually on my

719
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 3: honeymoon with your dad and that we met up with

720
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 3: Fiona and Peter over there and I saw Suffolk sheep for.

721
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 2: The first time. And I've always loved them as a sheep.

722
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 3: And I couldn't believe it when there was a breeder

723
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 3: in Musket Oberon stud that had Suffox sheep. It was

724
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 3: just sort of everything sort of fell into place, so cool.

725
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: One thing I haven't done that. I think you and

726
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: Dad bought it up the other night. I think you

727
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: and Dad might have done it on your honeymoon. I

728
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: really want to go to the Cotswold. Oh yes that

729
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 1: was part of you, but it's on my bucket.

730
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 2: We did that with Peter.

731
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: So romantic, like when I say romanded, like not romantic,

732
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: like I want to necessarily need to go my partner

733
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: with Matt. It's more just like being in the Cotswolds,

734
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: like old this cobbled stone and the cottages, and like

735
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: we were drinking mold sign a cider last night. It

736
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: feels like very cotswoldzy. And yeah, it'd be beautiful place

737
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: to go Christmas time. I feel be very beautiful. I

738
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: wanted to just say something about how you mentioned being

739
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: a single mum and I went into prep when you

740
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: guys got divorced, I said to someone asked me about that.

741
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: I said, my brother and I have probably had the

742
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: best experience of having two like divorced parents, because as

743
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: a kid, we were like, well two Christmas, there's two birthdays.

744
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: But I think as adults, because we grew up watching

745
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: you both have your own independent careers. We've both grown

746
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: up going, oh, hang on a sec, what do I

747
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: really want to do? I've watched mum do something that

748
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: she's really good at and really enjoys. I've watched Dad

749
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: build her veterory practice and he loves animals. So what

750
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: do we want to do? And both of us have

751
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: kind of I know, Tristan's got a completely different career

752
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 1: to me. My brother's a clearance diver in the Navy.

753
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 1: But I think that's as a result of watching two

754
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: parents and have a lot of respect for one another.

755
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: You guys got a really nice friendship, but have your

756
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: own lives. Don't you think that's had a massive impact,

757
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: because I, yeah, don't feel too much pressure to be like,

758
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: oh well, I need to settle, Like I'm very nomadic.

759
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 1: I live half in the other side of the world,

760
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 1: you know. So I think that's actually the people talk

761
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: about the damage of divorce and the damage of and

762
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,919
Speaker 1: it's like, well, hang on, what about the positive yeap?

763
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: What about the amazing What about the freedom that it brings.

764
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: What about the opportunities that the kids see growing up

765
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: just being around working parents? You know, and you were

766
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: both bought us up like, it's not like we weren't.

767
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, you spend half time with Dad and

768
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 2: a half time with me.

769
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: We didn't get home school. I mean, we didn't get

770
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: sent off to boarding school or anything. We were like

771
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: very much at home and Tristan was more sporty and

772
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: I was more drama school like and you probably had

773
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: to witness a lot of bad drama place and some

774
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: good ones. Yeah, okay, So do.

775
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: Remember a young Tim in that?

776
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he was wonderful. We're still good mate, Yeah, exactly.

777
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: He was being a doctor as well, and you always

778
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: said he's going to be an amazing doctor because he

779
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: had such beautiful bedside manner, didn't he say that?

780
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? He was lovely with people.

781
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 3: But I think that's important about being a role model

782
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 3: for your children, you know, Like I would make a

783
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 3: point of occasionally taking you into work at Swinburn and.

784
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: That sort of thing, and you'd be home. You'd be

785
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: helping me make.

786
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 3: The the little hand out bags. So the loot bags

787
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 3: that you would do for your book launch and that

788
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 3: sort of thing I'm sure came from me packaging condoms

789
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 3: and globe and all that and lolly, yeah, which you'd

790
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 3: hand out to students and that sort of thing. So yeah,

791
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 3: I felt it was important for you to see that,

792
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 3: you know, girls important jobs too.

793
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: You know, it's not all you know, because it's.

794
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 3: Very masculine, this world we live in.

795
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: It's getting better, but it's getting a lot better. But yeah,

796
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: like even when you said, well, you know, I didn't

797
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: really was an option to go to UNI. You know,

798
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: it was you'd become one of these four careers, and it's.

799
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 2: Like, whoa, yeah, exactly.

800
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 3: There was something in the paper of the Age the

801
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 3: other day and this woman speaking about we've got a

802
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 3: lot of sculptures of people around Melbourne and most of

803
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 3: them I think there's probably six or eight are women,

804
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 3: and there's one hundred and thirty of them, which you mean,

805
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 3: so where are the women in all this? You know,

806
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 3: it's not that they haven't done stuff, it's just that

807
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 3: they're not recognized.

808
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: I think the tides are totally turned though.

809
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 2: Exactly.

810
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: I think I'm in there. I feel even for me,

811
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: like coming into acting in my mid thirties, I was like, oh,

812
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: I'm too old, I'm too old to be a leading lady.

813
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: And I'm actually coming to the perfect time because there's

814
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: so much diversity now, and so they need people from

815
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: every walk of life to be represented in movies and TV. So,

816
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: but I think ten years ago I would have been

817
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: in strife.

818
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:11,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

819
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: You know, someone said to me, an acting class, as

820
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 1: soon as you hit thirty eight, you'll be cast as

821
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: a mum, and I thought, fuck you, exactly. Don't want

822
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: to be a mom in real life. I don't always

823
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: want to.

824
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 2: Act either, you know.

825
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 1: Like the last thing I want to end on is

826
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: obviously during COVID, you and I, well, you lost Nan. Well,

827
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: my Nan, your mom, and she was a cack like

828
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: she was a very funny human being and I just superstitious.

829
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 2: But her mother was superstitious as well.

830
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 3: Or Nan.

831
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, see, I don't know anything about your Nan because

832
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: I would have never met her.

833
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: No.

834
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 3: No, And my Nan died when I was actually nursing.

835
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 3: And I remember visiting her in hospital and she was

836
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 3: a diabetic, insulin dependent diabetic.

837
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 2: And I remember I would visit.

838
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 3: Her in hospital and she was at the Prince Henry's

839
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 3: and she had, oh, she had stomach pain and they

840
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 3: were investigating, but basically they opened her up and had

841
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 3: to close her up because her cancer was too advanced.

842
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 3: And I remember visiting her and she's saying, what are

843
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 3: you doing visiting me? You know, like you're young, go

844
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 3: out and be with your friends. And that was the

845
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 3: sort of person. It was just, you know, don't think

846
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 3: of me. You're here for other people. You know, you're

847
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 3: here for yourself, don't you know. And it was a

848
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 3: really it sort of made me want to visit her more.

849
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

850
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 1: I used to visit Grandpa a lot, Fred, Yeah, because

851
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: his mind was sharp as an arrow to the last moment.

852
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: And I'd see him and he'd be like, where are

853
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: you flying to today? The adventure one, you know, And

854
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: he always had a photo of himself from World War Two?

855
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: And I asked, who's this hand?

856
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: That's me?

857
00:45:56,120 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: It's sharp that right till the ends. Grandma obviously, and Nan,

858
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: there was definitely a pinch about Zheimer's, Like it's.

859
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 2: More than a pinch.

860
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: She got me only Karen quite a few times, did she? Yeah,

861
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: oh karenah, just your sister.

862
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: Oh but what about when I headed to my place?

863
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 3: We did that early Christmas and there was an accident and.

864
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 4: We don't talk about that, no, no, no, but and

865
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 4: and I remember asking Noel to come, and Noel walked

866
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 4: in and I said she always loved Yeah, well she

867
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 4: always did.

868
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 2: And I said, oh, do you know who this is?

869
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: And she said, yeah, it's my brother.

870
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: Oh did she Yeah, so she got I'm really wrapped.

871
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,919
Speaker 1: She got to meet Matt because a few times, yeah,

872
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 1: he got to hang out with her, and she'd look

873
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: at me and point him and she'd go, he's a

874
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: good one. Yeah should I like, they've got this no filter.

875
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: But then there's this random wisdom that just like pops

876
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 1: out every now and then. But she she had some

877
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: really great so she taught me to read tarot cards.

878
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: I think you read a bit of taro as well.

879
00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: But she had these really really weird gremity things. You

880
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: couldn't put new shoes on a table. It was bad luck. Right.

881
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: What were you saying about the cross knives?

882
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 3: Oh?

883
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, no cross knives.

884
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 3: Anytime you see cross knives, it's a sign of an

885
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 3: argument brewing.

886
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: So you can cross a knife and a fork, but

887
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: not two cross No. No, two cross knives is bad

888
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: luck for an argument. I remember she said if a

889
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: piece of art falls off the wall accidentally, someone's going

890
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: to die in the family. And I was like, you

891
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: can't go around saying that to people. The other one

892
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: was if you keep that she put the toilet seat down,

893
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: Otherwise you're going to keep flushing your money down the toilet.

894
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's more a functioning way.

895
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: When she was obsessed with dragons, do you remember, she

896
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: didn't collect so many knickknacks. But there was a real

897
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: thing between a red dragon versus a green dragon, and

898
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: one was lucky than the other. I don't remember which one,

899
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: No world.

900
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 2: Have to look that up. Actually, I just wanted to

901
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 2: mention a couple of things.

902
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, you've been lucky because you've you've had

903
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 3: a passion from a young age, and you when you're

904
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 3: at Mandibal Hall, you always were leaning to that performing

905
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 3: arts sort of thing. And in fact you were drama captain.

906
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 3: I always said drama queen. And was it your final

907
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 3: year that you were drama captain?

908
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: I did that. I was junior house drama captin som

909
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: more like the middle of high school, more like year

910
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: nine and ten and then But I was always in

911
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: the plays the whole way through, Like I was always acting.

912
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 3: I remember one of the three witches in Macbeth that

913
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 3: was great Bubble, what is it?

914
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 1: Hub boil and trouble Fire burn and coldren and bubbah

915
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: funny that that stays with you.

916
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 3: No, that was really good and yeah, so and I

917
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 3: never knew what I wanted, but you have always sort

918
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 3: of known, and Tristan sort of.

919
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 2: Been directed to a degree. And I think it's important about.

920
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 3: Just you know, if you do take something on that

921
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 3: you take it on with a passion. Like nursing wasn't

922
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 3: really something that I really wanted to do, And in

923
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 3: sort of trying to find out for this podcast, I

924
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 3: spoke to a few of my nursing friends Wendy and Naison,

925
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 3: Fiona Yeah, and just said, you know, how did you

926
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 3: get into nursing, And it would appear I was the

927
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 3: only one that sort of said, oh, well, you know,

928
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 3: friends doing it, so I better do it as well.

929
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: But they had a real passion for it.

930
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: Yeah no, well that was something that they really wanted

931
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 2: to do.

932
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 3: But yeah, I just sort of think it's important to

933
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 3: at the end of.

934
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 2: The day, to keep challenging yourself.

935
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 3: Like the whole time through my nursing career, I was

936
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 3: always you know.

937
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,720
Speaker 1: Doing Ledley training and yeah, yeah.

938
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 3: No, but more the training before the professional continuous professional

939
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 3: development that you had to do for nursing.

940
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: I was always attending courses. Yeah, totally, and you were.

941
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: We didn't even touch on.

942
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 3: That theater nurse that because I was a Cabrini for

943
00:49:58,680 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 3: over sixteen years.

944
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: Perioperative nurse. What does perioperative mean?

945
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 2: So anesthetics.

946
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 3: So I did a course at Deacon University in perioperative

947
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 3: nursing and that was more for so an anesthetic nurse,

948
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 3: a scrub nurse looking after patients in the recovery room.

949
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 3: So it's their whole journey through theater.

950
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: I feel like two people have had you that I

951
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: know as their nurse. I know someone's mum woke up

952
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: and you were there, you made to you were there

953
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 1: when they wake up and they were like, am my dad,

954
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 1: are you an angel? That's cute, isn't it. And I

955
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: think you had Oscar when he had to have something done.

956
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I saw him and then there was yeah,

957
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 3: oh no, yeah popped up in theater when he was there. Yeah,

958
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 3: it just popped in before. But that's the other thing,

959
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 3: like part of my nursing. I see it as you know,

960
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 3: you're caring for people. And if I know someone, you know,

961
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 3: I always family would say oh, this one's going in

962
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 3: all that one, and I would.

963
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: Always make a point going in and visiting.

964
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,919
Speaker 3: I just saw that that was way too as well.

965
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: Though I think it's very scary. Hospitals are great because

966
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: they help people, but it's very confronting. It's very clinical,

967
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: it's very sterile, as it has to be. But like

968
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: I remember when we visiting Nan in hospital, I was like, oh,

969
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: here we go again, and I'd have to like take

970
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: a breath, like g myself up because, like I think

971
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: as well, you're confronted with a lot of death. Especially

972
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: when we'd visit Nan, you'd have to walk through IC.

973
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 1: You that entrance IC people are just standing there, balling

974
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: their eyes out, hugging because they've maybe lost someone in

975
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: a car accident or something, and you're just like, shit,

976
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: this is really full on, and you know, you just

977
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: it's confronting. And I think then when you're like a patient,

978
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: you're flooded with that daily and so I think you

979
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: popping in to see someone would probably mean more than

980
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: you realize because it's a familiar face. And one thing

981
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: that you've always been amazing at is like you can

982
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: read the play like and you've got that kind of

983
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: like in a catastrophe. You're like, rights are going to do,

984
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: whereas I like, get very anxious about many core conditions.

985
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,959
Speaker 1: You know, I had to get nothing cut out. Remember

986
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: that's tiny lump at it. I was balling my eyes.

987
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: If my periods a day light, I'm like, mum, what

988
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: do I do? I flip out. But I mean the

989
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,720
Speaker 1: good side of that is you're very proactive. I'm therefore

990
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: very proactive about my health. But yeah, you're very good

991
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: at troubleshooting. I think that would be I imagine that

992
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: I'd be a trait of a nurse. And I keep

993
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 1: saying one last question. I've just finished reading a book

994
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: called Taming Toxic People, which is about non criminal psychopaths

995
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: and one of the highest professions for psychopaths as doctors

996
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:42,439
Speaker 1: because they've got big egos. And they said, although they're

997
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: helping people, they have to be okay with literally cutting

998
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: into a human and you need to be able to

999
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: psychologically be okay with that. Were some doctors like big egos?

1000
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can think of a couple that had huge egos,

1001
00:52:58,360 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 3: but I won't mention.

1002
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: No, But were there some that were amazing and just like, yeah,

1003
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: I'm here purely to help and change people. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1004
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 2: A lot of them are like that.

1005
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 3: That's awesome, but you'd only get one or two who

1006
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 3: just had a big chip on the shoulder and thought

1007
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 3: they were God's giffed.

1008
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 2: But they were few and far between.

1009
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 1: And the other occupation that came up on that list

1010
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: was acting. So I'm literally in there. I was like,

1011
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 1: he said to Matt, do you think I'm narcissistic? And

1012
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 1: he was like, You've definitely got a few of the traits, Lola. Yeah,

1013
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 1: because you've got to be very self obsessed and succeed as.

1014
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 3: Well, you know, confidence and push yourself forward, that sort

1015
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 3: of thing. Totally, So I can see you've got notes there.

1016
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 3: Do you want anything, No, just that I wanted to

1017
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,280
Speaker 3: start with this, actually, Loler, But I had just finished

1018
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 3: reading your book, Fearlessly Failing, and it's out now in

1019
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 3: all good bookstores, and I just admire your work ethic.

1020
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 3: Gon't remember when you were growing up. You're a bit

1021
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 3: that teen nottess. Can I say slothful?

1022
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: That was my nickname. She caught me the slough.

1023
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 3: But I could see that you were preparing for this active, active,

1024
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 3: go go go lifestyle that you're in now. You know,

1025
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 3: flying here, flying there, just doing lots of stuff and

1026
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 3: just you know, that passion for it, you know. And

1027
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 3: the book is about documenting the pitfalls of you know,

1028
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 3: what you had to go through to get where you

1029
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 3: are today. And I think it's a really good book

1030
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:31,760
Speaker 3: for that, you know, that young adolescent, early adolf who's

1031
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 3: not really sure about what they want to do, but

1032
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 3: finding a passion within themselves and it's really important to

1033
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 3: do that.

1034
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 1: Thank you by the way for that. I love when

1035
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: you were reading it and you call me and you're like,

1036
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,280
Speaker 1: let's figure out who these boys are in the heartbreak section.

1037
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: You're like, I think I know who that one is.

1038
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: I think, And I was like, this is do you

1039
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: know who did the exact same thing? Who? Tristan Smith?

1040
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: My brother, Oh did you hear? Brought me up and

1041
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: he was like, oh the heartbreak section. I was like,

1042
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: He's like that was a laugh, wasn't I was like,

1043
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: because he could pick who that's throwing. I was like,

1044
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: I had to you have to actually make it very

1045
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: you want.

1046
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 3: To protecttional yeah, to a degree, but yeah protect individuals.

1047
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1048
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 1: So but both you and him were very stealth and

1049
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: able to fix that. And my final thing will end on.

1050
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: This is like for someone that is listening to this

1051
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 1: that is maybe feeling a little bit like lost career wise,

1052
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,879
Speaker 1: You've always been someone that's marched to be their own drum.

1053
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: What would your advice I know you've already hit this

1054
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: in the podcast, but if you could summarize in a

1055
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: sentence or two, what would your advice be that someone

1056
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 1: to someone that might be feeling a little bit lost.

1057
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 3: I always found with nursing that you know, if I

1058
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,399
Speaker 3: sort of lost interest in an area or something like that,

1059
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 3: losing that passion, if you like, was to move on

1060
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 3: to a different area of nursing, and that was a

1061
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 3: good thing that you could move within.

1062
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 2: That career.

1063
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 3: But yeah, if it isn't if the job isn't serving

1064
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 3: you and you aren't getting anything from that, and you know,

1065
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 3: like you're talking about toxic people. You know some of

1066
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,439
Speaker 3: the charge nurses that I've had to deal with over

1067
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 3: my lifetime. What are charge noesses O people that are

1068
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 3: in charge of the nursing group hierarchy?

1069
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and A and MS and that sort of thing.

1070
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 3: Is that you know, you move on and the situation

1071
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 3: is now that certainly within nursing that you know if

1072
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 3: the job's not working for you, look for something else

1073
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 3: and just have the you know, the guts and to

1074
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 3: move on and always challenge yourself. Don't don't sit there

1075
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 3: and just you know, so many people have retired and

1076
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 3: they just sit back and read and have coffee.

1077
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 2: And me, you know, like, I'm out.

1078
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 3: I've got jobs to do, you know, feed the boys

1079
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 3: the sheep, pick up poo, do a poo round.

1080
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, just you know, and tend the garden, which is lovely.

1081
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 2: Find things that really bring joy to your life.

1082
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:56,720
Speaker 3: And you don't get stuck in that, Oh this isn't working,

1083
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 3: you know, and if it's not the career for you.

1084
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 2: Move on, go to UNI. You know, like these mature

1085
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,240
Speaker 2: you can get in as a mature student.

1086
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,919
Speaker 3: You can do a lot of stuff online, especially now.

1087
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, there's lots of things, and it's great that

1088
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 3: you put like a reference references at the back of

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Speaker 3: your book, you know, people for and that resilience project,

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Speaker 3: you know, that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 1: And it's important to be resilient. Someone said to me

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Speaker 1: when I was in La an actor she goes. I said, oh, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm I've emailed all these managers, twenty of them ones

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Speaker 1: responded and told me I'm too old, and she goes,

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Speaker 1: LA is only about resilience, Like, if you want to

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Speaker 1: make it, you've just got to be resilient. She's like,

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Speaker 1: because eventually, the resilient ones are the ones that stay.

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Speaker 1: And there's this famous saying in LA. You stay there

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Speaker 1: long enough, you get the job. And it's that idea

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Speaker 1: of like just being and my therapist and I work

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Speaker 1: a lot of this being bulletproof so you can take

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Speaker 1: the hits and then you're just like, keep going. But

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Speaker 1: I love what you just said. Move on when it's

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Speaker 1: not serving, you don't stay stuck, like move on. Thank you, mum,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Loved it.

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Speaker 2: He has been fun.

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Speaker 1: It's so fun.

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Speaker 2: I was a bit nervous beforehand.

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Speaker 3: I did have my notes, but I think we've covered

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Speaker 3: most of the stuff.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's been.

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Speaker 3: A good career and good life and no regrets. And

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Speaker 3: that's what you want to get to the.

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Speaker 1: End of your life with very few regrets. I don't

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Speaker 1: think you're the end.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no.

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Speaker 3: I don't think so either, But it's more when I

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Speaker 3: get there, I'm going to be okay with what I've done.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're in this epic. You're living in a little

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Speaker 1: paradise right now. I'm doing exactly what you love and

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Speaker 1: you're so healthy, so it's a really nice place to

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Speaker 1: be in. So I'm very proud of you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm proud of you girl.

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Speaker 1: Love you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you too, Love your girl.

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Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

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Speaker 1: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation

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Speaker 1: on Instagram. I'm at Yamo Lola Belt. This party My

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Speaker 1: word for podcast is available on all streaming platforms. I'd

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Speaker 1: love it if you could subscribe, rape and comment, and

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