1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: Sophie Torber and coming up on today's show, Sarah's Day 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: has divided the Internet after sharing a series of jim 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 1: selfies just five weeks after giving birth, Roxy Jizenko returns 6 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: from retirement and our highs and Lows of the week. 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: But first, Ashi Bindes' three former best friends walked into 8 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: a bar. It sounds like a knock knock joke, but 9 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: it actually happened on the weekend with Ashi the punchline. 10 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: It's the latest revelation in Ashi's friendship breakdown with Kiara Doro. 11 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: Before we get into it, Amy, can you give listeners 12 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: a refresher on what's gone down? Yeah. So, the pair 13 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: hosted the Grow and Glow podcast together for two years 14 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: and they were set to release a new product. However, 15 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: on the day of the launch, they revealed that something 16 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: suddenly came up and the product was delayed. 17 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 2: Then came the. 18 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: Big unfollowing and the announcement in their podcast Facebook group 19 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: that Kiara had decided to leave the show to supposedly 20 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: on her family. The pair even shared an explanation on 21 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: their podcast, and while the stories appeared to match up there, 22 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: it was a different story on social media. Yeah, because 23 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: Kiara started making digs on her Instagram story, so she 24 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: was referring that there was much more to this story. 25 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: She said, I can't say much because I'm already losing 26 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: so much and don't want to lose anymore. But thank 27 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: you and you are all so clever with a winking emoji. 28 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: She then went on to post a bunch of cryptic 29 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: quotes that threw shade at Ashy, with one referring to 30 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,559 Speaker 1: a narcissus. You know shit's going down when the cryptic 31 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: quotes start coming out. Very millennial thing to do. I 32 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 1: remember doing this back in twenty fourteen. I haven't done 33 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: it for a while now. As She then went into 34 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: damage control on her podcast facebook page, saying that she 35 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: was shocked by Kiara's behavior, and followers speculated that Kiara 36 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: had allegedly been hit with a gag order, as ash 37 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: has a reputation for allegedly sending cease and desist letters. Now, 38 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: while Kiara may be allegedly restricted in what she can 39 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: say publicly, it hasn't stopped her from giving her followers signs. 40 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: So on the weekend, Kiara posted a pretty innocuous photo 41 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: of three wine glasses and a menu at a restaurant 42 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: called Siblings. She didn't tag the diners, but she didn't 43 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 1: have to, as they also posted near identical photos on 44 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: their own Instagram stories. So Kiara was having dinner with 45 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: none other than ash Bines's former best friends Sammy Leo 46 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: and Greddy Rose. I bet they had a lot to 47 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: catch up on and notes to compare. I would have 48 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: loved to be a fly on the wall at that drink. 49 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 1: It's just such a fuck you to organize a get 50 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: together like that. I actually quite like it well as 51 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: she Sammy and Gretty. They all used to be best 52 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: friends until suddenly they weren't, and follow us have always 53 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: wondered what happened between the women. We often get dms 54 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: asking can you guys please do a deep dive into 55 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: this friendship breakdown. There's so many people who are intrigued 56 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: by it, and that is why this is such a 57 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: big power play from Kiara. I would love to know 58 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 1: who reached out to who first. It reminds me of 59 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: when you break up with someone and you have this 60 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: desire to reach out to their exes to compare notes 61 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: and see if they did the same weird things. It's 62 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 1: called trauma bonding, Sophie. I wonder if nat Roland is 63 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: a little bit dirty that she was left off the 64 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: invite list because she is another one of Ashi Bindes's 65 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: former best friends, and she recently confirmed that they are 66 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: no longer friends and haven't been for a long time. 67 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 2: You'd be absolutely spewing. 68 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: I'm sure she probably hit them up in their DMS 69 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: and was like, can we catch up next week? Let's 70 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: do the same sort of social media stories well as 71 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: she has retaliated by sharing a photo on Monday of 72 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: her hanging out with her school friends over the weekend. 73 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: She captured the photo, doesn't matter what I go through 74 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,679 Speaker 1: since our teenage days, they are there through it all. 75 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: Never once do they ask or expect anything of me. 76 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 2: So forever grateful. 77 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: What's the bet that these friends haven't heard from her 78 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: in months and then suddenly it's like, oh, we've got 79 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: the call up to come hang out with. What I 80 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: take from the caption is she's implying her former best 81 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: friends were taking a lot from her and expecting the world. 82 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: I wonder what all their partners think about this, because 83 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: I know if I was behaving this way online, my 84 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: husband would be like, get off your phone and fucking 85 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: grow up. 86 00:03:58,280 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 2: See. 87 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: I think Kiara's husband is probably very supportive of it. 88 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: Reading between the lines, it sounds like he's just as 89 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: mad at Ashy as she is. I don't think there's 90 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: a time when you just need to jump off socials 91 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: when it's becoming a bit this. I actually love this 92 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: because they haven't come out and slammed Ashy binds. They 93 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: haven't said anything. All they've done is posted a photo. 94 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: It's not just the photo because they've actually all caught up. 95 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: So what else have they got in the world. Yeah, 96 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: but it actually sends the message that they want to 97 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: say more but can't, so they have to go have 98 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: a catch up. 99 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 3: We need to be quick because we're on a baby 100 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 3: time limit. 101 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 1: Self proclaimed holistic health princess Sarah's Day has divided the 102 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: Internet after sharing a series of jim selfies five weeks 103 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: after giving birth to her third son, Harlowe. Many women 104 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: on their own postpartum journeys labeled the post as damaging 105 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: and took a fence to Sarah, using it as an 106 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: opportunity to spook her pregnancy fitness ebook, Whilst others didn't 107 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: see a problem with Sarah sharing about her own experience 108 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: now Sophie, it's been a tough couple of weeks for Sarah. 109 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: She's been very. 110 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 1: Vocal about how difficult she has found this newborn experience 111 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: because her son, Harlowe, he has been suffering from some 112 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: very severe reflux issues, and it's meant that Sarah has 113 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: been in the trenches. She's been getting very little sleep, 114 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: she's been cluster feeding. Last week, she said she was 115 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: going to take some time offline because she explained she 116 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: had been struggling with her mental health and admitted that 117 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: she had no energy to speak to her community. It's 118 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: interesting because she only ended up being offline for around 119 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: twenty four hours before she started posting all these body 120 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: checks of herself. 121 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:27,799 Speaker 2: Think she probably would have benefited. 122 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: From taking that time offline because it's quite clear that 123 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: she's putting a lot of pressure on herself to solve 124 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: her son's reflux issues. She's been talking about how she's 125 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 1: been cutting out all these different food groups because she 126 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: thinks it's contributing to these issues. She's also been speaking 127 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: to a ton of natural paths and trying to figure 128 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: out what is going on. Most recently, she took heartlow 129 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: to see an osteo to see if maybe the issue 130 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: was being caused by a lip tie. And as always, 131 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: she's been very open about discussing her son's potential medical concerns, 132 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: which some people find really relatable. I know there's been 133 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: a lot of followers who have said that they've enjoyed 134 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: seeing a realistic experience with a newborn and not someone 135 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: glamorizing it. But on the other side of it, she 136 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: did promise not to talk about her children's medical conditions 137 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: after there was a lot of issues and a lot 138 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: of publicity around her second son, Malachi's health concerns. Yeah, 139 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: and I found it weird because last night she posted 140 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: a pole asking for her followers to vote whether she 141 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: should get medical treatment on Harlow's lip tie. 142 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 2: And I was like, surely this is something you need 143 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: to talk to your doctor about a yes no pole. 144 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 2: I mean, I personally think it should remain private. 145 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: I don't think that these things should be aired online, 146 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: but others have different opinions. Now, for Sarah, she has 147 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 1: been raring to get back into the gym She is 148 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: currently five weeks postpartim and said that she wanted to 149 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: ease back into things with a polates class. That's when 150 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: alarm bell started ringing for me, because normally you're advised 151 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: to wait at least six weeks and have to get 152 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: approval from your doctor to exercise. Now, in Sarah's case, 153 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: she did mention that her pelvic floor physio, Charlotte Connellan, 154 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: had given her the all clear. However, Charlotte is a 155 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: business partner and she's also in cahoots with Sarah at 156 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: the moment because they have created this pregnancy workout guide 157 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: together called Body and Bump, which is what Sarah has 158 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: been spooking. So it seems a little bit unethical that 159 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: it was Charlotte that gave her all clear. 160 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 2: It does make it murky. I can see why Sarah 161 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 2: wants to. 162 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: Return to the gym, particularly if her mental health is 163 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: struggling at the moment. Her whole identity is centered around 164 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: exercise and it's clearly an activity that makes her happy 165 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: and gets her endorphins going. And in her Instagram story, 166 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: she wrote, I could cry. I'm so excited to be 167 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: back in one hot polarates class to a workout class 168 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: in general. I will go into more detail about this, 169 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: but moving my body does so much for my mental 170 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: health and emotional regulation and threet my positive headspace. It 171 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: really didn't surprise me to see Sarah back in the 172 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: gym so early, But what did seem to generate a 173 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: huge reaction online was how Sarah looked in her gym selfies. 174 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: Before we dive into how she looked, I want to 175 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: preface here that this is such a sensitive topic and 176 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: I don't think that any postpartum woman's body should be shamed, 177 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: whether they've gained weight or they've gone back quickly to 178 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: their pre pregnancy weight, because everyone's bodies at the end 179 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: of the day are so different, and there are a 180 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: lot of women like Sarah who, due to genetics or 181 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: the fact that they stayed very active during their pregnancy, 182 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: returned very quickly to their pre pregnancy body. So I 183 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: don't want anyone to think that we are saying that 184 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: there is a right way to be after you give 185 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: birth and. 186 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 2: A wrong way. 187 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: But I don't think anyone was shaming her body. I 188 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: think people were saying, she looks incredible, she looks like 189 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: she hasn't had a baby, and that is really difficult. 190 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm six months postpartum and I personally found 191 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: it really difficult to look at. And I saw a 192 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: lot of conversation in our Facebook group. Oh, people are 193 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,119 Speaker 1: just jealous. Well, yeah, of course I would. 194 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: Like to look like I'd been hitting the gym. 195 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 4: Yeah. 196 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: But when I say shaming, what I mean about it 197 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: is that I have spoken to other mums who they 198 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: have very much gone quickly back to what they used 199 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: to look like, and they haven't actually done anything, They've 200 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: just been genetically blessed, and they said that they almost 201 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: feel like everyone is making these assertions on them. They're 202 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: death flogging themselves at the gym and not putting their 203 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: show actually back at the gym five weeks after having 204 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: a baby. So I think it's kind of she is 205 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: playing into that narrative that she is working out a lot, 206 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: but that's my first time working out and she looks 207 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: like But there's also a difference between having to share 208 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: it all online and shove it down people's Yes, the 209 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: body checks because in this video that Sarah put up, 210 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: she's wearing light gray bike shorts and a white crop top. 211 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 2: Her abs are very. 212 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: Prominent in her photo she's got. Her stomach is like 213 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: completely flat, and she was also posing in specific ways 214 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 1: that showed off her body to look thin. Among all 215 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 1: of the photos which many people are referring to as 216 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: body checks, she had to point out that she was 217 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: only five weeks postpartum and wrote, my previous two postpartum experiences, 218 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,719 Speaker 1: I've gone back to workouts as seven and eightish week's postpartum, 219 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 1: but this birth was so different with no tearing, easy pushing, 220 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: and I felt. 221 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 2: Physically great now. 222 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: Following her visit to the gym, she was inundated with 223 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: questions about how she managed to actually make it to 224 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: the gym without Harlow. Sarah ended up jumping on her 225 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: stories and explained that everything fell into place that morning. 226 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 2: Here's what she said. 227 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 3: So, the only way I can go anywhere without him 228 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 3: is if I feed just before I leave. But because 229 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 3: he's not on a schedule at all, like he is 230 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 3: five weeks postpartum, and I just feed on demand, Like 231 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 3: sometimes that's every two hours. Sometimes that's like a cluster 232 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 3: feed at like witching hour and he's on my boob 233 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 3: the whole time, or sometimes it's like three hours or 234 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 3: three and a half hours. I have no idea, and 235 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 3: it just so happened that he fed at like six 236 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 3: point thirty this morning, like he just wanted a feed, 237 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 3: and then so I could beat him at nine, put 238 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 3: him on my boob, drained it, and then I rode 239 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 3: my bike up to Poloties and I just made it 240 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 3: like I like got in the class and it had started. 241 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 1: She then prefaced after this that she's not actually back 242 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: at the gym training, but today was about her mental 243 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 1: health and getting forty five minutes to an hour to herself. 244 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: It's quite clear people were quite shocked by Sarah's appearance, 245 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: because she had to return to her stories again to 246 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: provide a further update on what her body looks like 247 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: at the moment. So she shared a video, this time 248 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: of her shorts rolled down so you could see her 249 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: belly from two different angles front on and to the side, 250 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: and in the corner, she added a before image of 251 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: her seven weeks pregnant at one of her active wear 252 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: collection shoots, where she looked absolutely ripped, and in the 253 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: caption she wrote, I was seven weeks preggiy here so 254 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: not showing, but I was at one of my fittest 255 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: before this pregnancy. Thank you for everyone's lovely messages, but 256 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: a few things. One, I promise you I still have 257 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: a long way to go to regain my core and 258 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: ab definition. That is not my goal or not even 259 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:39,239 Speaker 1: in my mind. 260 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 2: At the moment. 261 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: It's strange that she says it's not a goal or 262 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: in her mind at the moment, but she's going ahead 263 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: and sharing all of these bodies. It's interesting that she 264 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: pointed out that she's not where she wants to be 265 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: in a fitness journey and she's still got a long 266 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: way to go. And I think that's because she wants 267 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: people to buy into the pregnancy fitness plan and see 268 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: that there is a transformation. She doesn't want people to 269 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: think that she's genetically blessed, and just you know, she's 270 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: clicked her fingers and gone back to what she was. 271 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 2: That's the issue. 272 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: The messaging is so off in all of this, because 273 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,839 Speaker 1: she then continued in her post saying two, I did 274 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: my body and Bump workout program until the end of 275 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: my pregnancy, and then in brackets my most consistent workout 276 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: routine and pregnancy yet. 277 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 2: So she's just continuing to. 278 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: Flog the e book. Then she said and three, I 279 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: have lost so much of my strength and tone. But 280 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: that's okay. Being my third postpartum experience and even just 281 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: being thirty two and more mature, I'm in no rush 282 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: to get my abs back or look a certain way. 283 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: I'm just so happy to be feeling like myself slowly 284 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: again and loving my body that has created three beautiful 285 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: babies again. There's just so much mixed messaging going on because, Okay, 286 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: you can go to the gym for your mental health. 287 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,359 Speaker 1: Why are you sharing online? Why are you body checking online? 288 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: Do you realize that you're actually affecting. 289 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 2: The mental health of postpartum women. 290 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: I also think it's quite easy to say that you 291 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: love your body and you're super grateful for it when 292 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: you look near identical to how you looked before. The 293 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: thinking is, she doesn't look near identical. She was extremely 294 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: ripped before, well then a standard size six or yeah, 295 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: but she still looks like a very thin person that 296 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: just might not have the ab definition and the muscle 297 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: tone that she once had. Okay, that's going to be 298 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: a big change for her. But what really annoyed me 299 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: because there was a big conversation in a Facebook group 300 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: about it, and people are like, oh, you're just jealous 301 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: about her body, and you know, good for her, it's 302 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: for a mental health blah blah blah. Okay, that is 303 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: completely fine, Sarah. I can go and do whatever she 304 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: wants in her own time. That it's her own prerogative. 305 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 1: But when you are trying to pray on vulnerable women 306 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: to buy your postpartum ebook, that is the issue. 307 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 2: That's the thing. 308 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: Following these series of videos, she then shared links to 309 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: the Black Friday special that she was running for this 310 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: pregnancy ebook. And that is what made me feel the 311 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: most uncomfortable. I mean from a business perspective, it's the 312 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: perfect time to mention it because we've already made all 313 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: these postpard and women feel insecure and like they're not 314 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: doing enough. So of course they're going to think, well, fuck, 315 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: if I want to look like her, I better go 316 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: and spend one hundred dollars on this e But what 317 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 1: makes it more apparent that it is just to push 318 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: to sell this ebook is it is not in line 319 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: with what she's currently been sharing. So last week she said, 320 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: I'm going on a hiatus. I do not have the 321 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: energy or time to focus on even putting. 322 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 2: Content out there. 323 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: However, a couple of days later in the lead up 324 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: to Black Friday, she's at the gym, she's found time 325 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: to start flogging her ebook. It doesn't line up because 326 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: she is actually having a really difficult time. She clearly 327 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: is struggling with her mental health, and I think that 328 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: is why a lot of people are trying to see 329 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: the best and say, well, I think she's doing it 330 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: for her mental health. But when you really do look 331 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: at the strategy around trying to push this book in 332 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: the Black Friday sales, I also think that we need 333 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: to remember that this is very concerning and potentially damaging 334 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: behavior because these types of promotions are almost shaming post 335 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: pardon women into not feeling enough and then encouraging them 336 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: to rush back into exercise when their bodies have not 337 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: properly killed yet. But the reality is she may be 338 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: doing it for her mental health. Cool share that you're 339 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: at the gym, but don't post the fucking body checks 340 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: the whole time. It just makes people feel like posting 341 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: the fact that she is it the gym five weeks 342 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: postpartum is damaging because her job is to influence people, 343 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: and there'd be a lot of women that are have 344 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: just had a baby and are like shit, I haven't 345 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: even thought of going the gym. I mean, I'm six 346 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: months postpartum. I used to exercise regularly before I was pregnant. 347 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: I have not done one workout and when I saw that, 348 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: I was like, shit, am I just being lazy? I 349 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: mean I am struggling to work, look after my baby, 350 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: run a house, like have a social life, and then 351 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, oh shit, maybe I should be exercising as well. 352 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: Like posts definitely did a lista a huge response from 353 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: our Facebook community, and I have to say the comments 354 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: were pretty divided. There were a lot of women who 355 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: like uk to going through their postpartum journeys, and they 356 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: commented saying that they found the post very damaging and upsetting. 357 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: So one listener wrote, as someone who had. 358 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 2: A baby a few days before her, this is so. 359 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: Frustrating, making me do some serious eye rolling. I'm still 360 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: having outfit meltdowns every day when I go to get dressed, 361 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: so to see this is pretty annoy It's literally genetics. God, 362 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: I could not relate more to that meltdown about outfits. 363 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: Another listener said, as a woman with prolapse, this absolutely 364 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: enrages me. It's irresponsible and it not only sets unrealistic 365 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: expectations for postpart and women. It also puts pressure on 366 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: women to push themselves at the risk of prolapse and 367 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: other issues because they see influencers doing things like this 368 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: and thinking it'll be fine. Another listener said, I get 369 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: that everyone is different, but I don't think one person 370 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: watching feels good after watching those stories and inevitably comparing baby. 371 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 2: Or not now. 372 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: On the other side, there were some listeners that didn't 373 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: see an issue with her posts, saying she was simply 374 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: sharing her experience. One listener wrote, I don't see anything 375 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: wrong with this. Her mental health isn't great at the moment, 376 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: so I say good on her for doing something for 377 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: her that's going to help her. I see zero gloating 378 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: here nor education. She's just saying she is doing what 379 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: works for her, whilst another said she's been posting about 380 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: how her mental health has been impacted by this third baby. 381 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: If she's been given the all to exercise, good for her. 382 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: If that's what she wants to do, and if that's 383 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 1: what makes her feel better, great. She's not telling anyone 384 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: what to do. She's sharing her experience. But don't people 385 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: understand that as an influencer sharing her experience, she's influencing 386 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: people to do what she does. I can kind of 387 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: see what they're saying, because I think people feel uncomfortable 388 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 1: to criticize her actions, particularly because she's going through a 389 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: difficult time at the moment, and clearly exercise is something 390 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: that helps people's mental health. And they're saying, look, she's 391 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: learned her lesson because she's not sitting there saying, hey, everyone, 392 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: you should be doing this. 393 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 2: But then in a way she's telling of her book. 394 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: I would like to know how many of the people 395 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 1: who commented positive things about it have actually had a baby. Well, 396 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 1: there were a few that said, you know, I'm on 397 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: my postpartum journey and I've seen no issue with it. Obviously, 398 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: everyone is going to have a different opinion on it, 399 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: and I think that everyone is welcome to that opinion. 400 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: But I think that postpartum women are also allowed to 401 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: share that it made them really upset. I mean, I 402 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: saw a woman crying on TikTok saying that she has 403 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,360 Speaker 1: been working so ht to lose weight and eating right, 404 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: and then she sees Sarah's day post that five weeks 405 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: after having a baby, and it was just so demoralizing 406 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: and yes, of course people will say, don't compare yourself, 407 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: unfollow that person, but that's actually not really realistic because 408 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: even if you unfollow someone, the way the algorithm works 409 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: is gonna pop up in your feet and don't you 410 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: think as well, it's like this thing of the way 411 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: your brain works. Like you might think, oh, that's so 412 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: toxic and that's gross, but then you're kind of envious 413 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: and think, oh, well, I'd actually love to have that body, 414 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: and it starts to get in your head on maybe 415 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: I should be doing this. Like for me, I'm like, oh, 416 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: maybe I should be doing some workouts while I'm pregnant, 417 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, I shouldn't do that. Well, I mean, 418 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: it's not unsafe to work out during prey. It's actually 419 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: more workouts than I'm doing it. I mean, which zero, 420 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: I'm not postpart of a lovely walk down, and then 421 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: I'm not postpartum or pregnant, and it made me think. 422 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 2: Fuck, look at her body. 423 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: I want to work out, like, isn't it It's terrible? Yeah, 424 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: And that's the thing we all know deep down that 425 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: it's not realistic, But that's not how social media works. 426 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: It preys on you when you're feeling vulnerable, and that's 427 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 1: what it's done here. And what makes it worse is 428 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: that she knows what she's doing, because she's got the 429 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: hook of a postpartum guide at the end of it. 430 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: The first time she's been criticized for something like this 431 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: as well, And I think that's what has pissed a 432 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 1: lot of people off, is that she has a history 433 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: of doing this. 434 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 2: I think she hasn't learned. 435 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 1: I think what would really demonstrate the impact that her 436 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 1: posts have had on people is how many people signed 437 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: up that day for her ebook. 438 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 2: I'd be very interested to know those stats. 439 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 4: So you're back in the PR Housewifery was not for me. 440 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: Roxy Desenco is officially back the PR. Queen has returned 441 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: to public relations after sensationally quitting her company Sweaty. 442 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 2: Betty two years ago. 443 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: Roxy labeled the decision to quit as a midlife crisis, 444 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: and recently revealed on the Lazy CEO podcast that life 445 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: as a housewife was boring. 446 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 2: Let's have a listen to what she said. 447 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 4: I'm no good on the washing machine, I'm on the 448 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 4: hospital corners for bed in your housewive times, What did 449 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 4: I do? I shopped and shopped. It's the fucking most 450 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,479 Speaker 4: boring ring existence. Remember I worked since I was fourteen, ye, 451 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 4: so I was bored. 452 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I left. 453 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 4: I went to Singapore, suntanned, eight drunk, put eighteen kilos on. 454 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: Do we really believe that she didn't have a housekeeper 455 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: in Singapore. I think she did. Considering she said she 456 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: shopped and shopped and shopped. I can't really imagine Roxy 457 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: making the beds and doing the washing. I'm envious of 458 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: her because Singapore would be such a fun place to 459 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: go shopping every day. 460 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 2: Ye, But it would get boring, it would. 461 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: Be unfulfilling, particularly if you've had this very successful career beforehand, 462 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: which has come back with guns blazing, because she has 463 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: made the claim that in the last two years since 464 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: she's been away, no one has taken her place in 465 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: the PR world because they weren't willing to take the 466 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: risks and push the boundaries like her, And she said 467 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: that that is what has given her her competitive edge 468 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: over the last eighteen years, a bit of a bold 469 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,719 Speaker 1: statement after the PR nightmare that she was embroiled. 470 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 2: Recently with the house giveaway. 471 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: Well, let's have a listen to what Roxy said has 472 00:20:58,160 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: made her such a good PR. 473 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 4: Guru, treated the business of the customers as my own. 474 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 4: Because of that, I did well. I made serious fucking money. 475 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 4: But now everyone's safe and concerned and so politically correct. 476 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 2: I didn't give a fuck what you think about me. 477 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 2: Cancel culture is so big. 478 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 4: I mean, I haven't canceled five hundred times. 479 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 2: Yes, you can't get Hey, I'm the queen of reinvention. 480 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: Dog. I love it. 481 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 3: I love it. 482 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: I love it. 483 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 4: I love it. 484 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, the poster girl for it. You can think of 485 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: big PR firms in Melbourne and Sydney, but they're not 486 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: necessarily centered around an individual like Roxy the way that 487 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 1: she is touted as being this PR queen, and she's 488 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 1: really the face of the business. We don't see too 489 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,719 Speaker 1: many companies run like that anymore. Yeah, I mean, and 490 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: Roxy's right. She has been canceled a number of times 491 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: for different things she has said, but she continues to 492 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: lend big clients because people just love how blunt is. 493 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I listened to this interview and I was like, fuck, 494 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: she's done wrong in the past, but she is hilarious, 495 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: and she also has a reputation of someone who will 496 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: get the job done no matter to one of her 497 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: live shows when I was working at another PR firm 498 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: right before we started our business Amy and I remember 499 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 1: hearing that she has a rule that she has to 500 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 1: apply to an email within a couple of hours, and 501 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: that's the same rule that she applies to her staff. 502 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 2: And it's that. 503 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: Persistence and consistency. I think that helps her attract business 504 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: and keep business. See I'm wondering did she want to 505 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: return or was forced to return, because when all of 506 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: that drama broke around the house competition, it sounded like 507 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: she took a very big hit financially, particularly having to 508 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: refund all of those customers their entrant. Well, she did 509 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: joke on the podcast that she spent all of her money, 510 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: so I think there was a little bit of truth 511 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: to the fact that she is having to return for 512 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: financial reasons. And it will be interesting to see Kate 513 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: in terms of the scandal that we've recently seen unfold 514 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: with that housing lottery competition, whether that will affect her 515 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: reputation and whether brands will trust work. She's already had 516 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: huge clients like Stax and Mermaid Hair return to Sweat, 517 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: but it called them huge brands. I mean, Sack is huge, 518 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: Sax is a very successful active wear brand, but I 519 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't say Mermaid Hair. 520 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,479 Speaker 2: Does she have a financial stake in Mermaid Hair? 521 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, because they sponsor Pixie, I feel like she must 522 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: have something to do with them. I mean, Sax is 523 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: a big brand in Australia, but the way she talks, 524 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: you would have thought that maybe there were some international 525 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: brands coming in a way, particularly because she's been living 526 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: in Singapore. The brands make sense because she's a lifestyle agency. 527 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: There is a large lifestyle brands. I'm interested in hearing 528 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: that she thinks that her PR business is going to 529 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 1: be bigger than Ministry of Talent because if anything like 530 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 1: from having a PR business, The way the PR is 531 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: going is everything is moving to influencers, everything is moving 532 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 1: to paid content. Mainstream media is dying. So it's quite 533 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: an interesting strategy that she's putting more of her attention 534 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: into PR. It's funny you say that because she took 535 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: a stab at some of her PR competitors and she 536 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 1: said that PR agencies these days are putting too much 537 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: focus on just sending product to influence, and I actually 538 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: agree with it. She said that influencers should not be 539 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: the be all an Angel and the issue is yeah, 540 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: and the issue is that everyone's an influencer these days. 541 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: And she said, if you look into the stats, they're 542 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 1: not selling as much product as they used to, and 543 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 1: that more agencies should be focusing on traditional media like TV, 544 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: radio and print, and that's what we tend to do 545 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 1: with our clients. So I also saw Sam Mengnan, who 546 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: runs Spin and Co. Which is another successful PR firm, 547 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: sharing that same sentiment around influencer marketing. He said, because 548 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: the influencer space is so oversaturated and it's the wild 549 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: West at the moment, the people are paying all this 550 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,719 Speaker 1: money for really no return. So I'm really fascinated in 551 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: particular to see what ROXY does in the mainstream media. 552 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 2: With brands like Stax. 553 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: And also Mermaider, we predominantly have built a following and 554 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: got an exposure through influencer marketing. Because if you think 555 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: about Stacks, they are always doing influencer collaborations. That's the 556 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: only way I heard about their brand. It sounds like 557 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: she's coming in for quality control over their influences. Let's 558 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: get into our highs and low of the week and Amy, 559 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: we're dying to talk about your pregnancy. 560 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 2: This has been a long kept secret. Now, Yeah, it's. 561 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 1: Been really frustrating because I've wanted to say for so 562 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: long on the podcast that I am pregnant, especially when 563 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: we do our highs and lows, because I've had so 564 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: many funny things that have popped up during blood tests 565 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 1: or ultrasounds that I've wanted to discuss. 566 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 2: But yes, I. 567 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 1: Officially let everybody know last week that I was pregnant. Well, 568 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: I've known for two months now because you broke the 569 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: news to me on the podcast. People might have seen 570 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: the clip we posted on our Instagram, and I had 571 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: no fucking idea because you've been telling me I've got 572 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: my period and. 573 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 2: I've got to pretend. 574 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: Don't you want that sort of surprise because I'm nineteen 575 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: weeks this week. Yeah, I can't leave you that far 576 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: along because now that I've got something to compare it to, 577 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: Like I was seventeen weeks pregnant at your wedding. It 578 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,360 Speaker 1: felt so far along the way, but I think you've 579 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: seen further back. Because you hadn't announced it, it was like 580 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 1: a secret. Also because you wear baggy clothes, so we 581 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: only copped a look at the bump really today before 582 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: we recorded this episode. I've sort of popped this week 583 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: at the nineteen week mark, so I have a bone 584 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: to pick with you. Yeah, I'm a little bit sad 585 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 1: that Sophie was the first out of us to find 586 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 1: it out because I was on maternity leave. You could 587 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: have waited until I was bad. 588 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 2: Okay. 589 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: So the reality is the first people I told all 590 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: Dale and I told were our like my mum and 591 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: dad and his mum and his poppy. And we did 592 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 1: it that weekend before I told Sophie in the podcast recording, 593 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: people will have seen and I tried to invite you 594 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: along to this event and You're like, I can't come, 595 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: I don't have time, blah blah blah, and I'm just 596 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: gonna tell pper no. But then I was going to 597 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: invite you as well. I was going to tell everyone 598 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 1: at we should have planned it seemed, you know, when 599 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 1: it seems so obvious, and I wanted it to be 600 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: a surprise. So I thought, look, it's going to be 601 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 1: too hard to get Kate to come down to this 602 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: podcast recording. I'm just going to surprise her in a 603 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: separate way. So I did it a few days later, 604 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: and I gave you this baby outfit for Jack that said, 605 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 1: my Auntie's got my best friend baking in her stomach 606 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: or something like that. 607 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 2: So I have to put your reaction up on the US. 608 00:26:58,560 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 2: It's so glamorous as well. 609 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: In that we are going to go so do I 610 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: look terrible? We are going to go into more detail 611 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: in our subscriber episode about your pregnancy, which I'm really excited. 612 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 2: To get into. 613 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I should share one of my loads of 614 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: the week though, from when I was getting all those 615 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: pregnancy tests, because there were two that stood out. One 616 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: was the fact that you do have to give a 617 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: urine sample, and despite needing to go to the toilet constantly, 618 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: for some reason, my bladder was not actually allowing me 619 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,360 Speaker 1: to do any urine in the cup when I had 620 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: to provide it. 621 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 2: Is that because you went five times before you left 622 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 2: the house. 623 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: No, I was drinking so much water in the car 624 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: I had stage right and I had to come back 625 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: in with this like pitiful amount of urine. I was like, 626 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: the worst bit is when you drink too much water 627 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: and it's too diluted. It's just like clear now. So 628 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,719 Speaker 1: if you were back from your honeymoon and Port Douglas, 629 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: we were enjoying the vlogs. I did give Brandon a 630 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: little bit of stick, saying that he needed to get 631 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: more involved. 632 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, so these are TikTok vlogs. 633 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: I feel like I've got to finish them off because 634 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: I've only done four days. So maybe if more people 635 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 1: start watching them, have to finish them all. 636 00:27:58,480 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 2: I want to see them. 637 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: But anyway, I am the biggest fan of Port Douglas. 638 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: I'm trying to convince everyone to go. They're with me 639 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: for a group holiday next. It is incredible. It is 640 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 1: stunning there. It feels like you were in Hawaii, but 641 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,239 Speaker 1: still in Australia. We hired a car and we were 642 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: able to go from our resort to the little town there. 643 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: I became best friends with a woman who runs the 644 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 1: gift shop there. Oh my god, it is called I 645 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: think it's with Sugar or something Sugars. 646 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 2: It's oh my god. I bought the whole shop like 647 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 2: she loves you. 648 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is just Port Douglas is such a beautiful 649 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: place to go. Yeah, you kept telling us, You're like, 650 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: I've decided that we're going to all do a big 651 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 1: family holiday there, and I was like, how much is 652 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: the accommodation? 653 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 2: You mentioned that bad I think we'd. 654 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: Go overseas those prices paying for it? 655 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 2: Would I pay for you guys to come with me? 656 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 2: I don't. 657 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: I think it was pretty on par with what you 658 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: pay to go to a resort. It was stunning, Like fuck, 659 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: I wish I was still there. 660 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 2: It was so nice. 661 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: My love of the week was an incident that happened 662 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: at Cannes Airport. Now, my husband is a bit of 663 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: an anxious traveler, even when it's interstate. 664 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 2: He always looks. 665 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: Suspicious at airports just because he's worried about everything getting. 666 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 2: Through, like the process. 667 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: Having traveled to Bali with him, I've never actually had 668 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: bags checked on the way back, like into Australia. But 669 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: he looked so nervous. It looked like we had like 670 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: ten tons of wood in our blood. 671 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 2: And he's literally like. 672 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: Squeaky clean, like you know, he's like a school prefect 673 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: type vibes like never do anything wrong, like And so 674 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: we were going through, you know when they. 675 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 2: Had the scanners and you just walk through. This time 676 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 2: they had the body scan. 677 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, you had to hold up like I literally felt 678 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: like I was getting a faked hand doing all these 679 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: different movements. Anyway, I went through no trouble. He then 680 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: goes through and gets pulled aside and the man said 681 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: to him. He said something like, oh, do you want 682 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: to go back here or can you take that? There 683 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: was some discussion and Brandon thought that the man was 684 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: asking him to take his shirt off, so he proceeded 685 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: to try and take his shirt off, and the mass like, no, no, 686 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: no, no no, I just wanted to pat you down because 687 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: you've showed up on the scan. I think just because 688 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: you're sweating, so poor thing. Brandon was sweating through nerves 689 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: from God through security almost took your shirt off in 690 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: front of it. Was it was quite the ordeal. I 691 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: am not surprised. I mean, but surely a lot of 692 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: people would be sweating in Can's airports. Oh it was 693 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: bloody hot that everyone kept telling me, oh, fuck, you're 694 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: going to boil port. 695 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 2: Douglas is so hot. 696 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: It was like thirty two degrees every day, but a 697 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: different type of thirty two. 698 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,959 Speaker 2: It was so human, but it was really nice. 699 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: Well, my high of the week is that we have 700 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: finalized our Christmas series which will start airing next week, 701 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: and I'm so excited to finally. 702 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 2: Share these interviews with you. 703 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: So they are interviews with some of our favorite influencers, 704 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: and they're not just about Christmas, but about things in general. 705 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: We have asked some very interesting questions. I feel like 706 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: the Daily Mail need to listen because I'm sure they're 707 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,719 Speaker 1: going to write some articles off what we have learned from. 708 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: There's a lot of influences behind the scenes, Goss. There's 709 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: a lot of different opinions that these influences have given 710 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: us on different scandals over the past years. So they 711 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: really are mustless an episode. We really did go there 712 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: and be honest, I was surprised that some of these 713 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: influencers actually agreed to be on our podcast because a 714 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: lot of influencers have blocked us in the past. Now, 715 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: my low of the week is I sat down very 716 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: excited to watch a Christmas movie. You had the tree 717 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: set up and it was top rated on Netflix. It's 718 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: got Chad Michael Murray in it, and it's about this 719 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: pub who put on a male review so like a strip. 720 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw this ad. I thought this was meant 721 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 2: to be a good man. I thought everyone was saying how. 722 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: Good it was. It's fucking terrible. Reese actually said, can 723 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: we please turn it off? 724 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 2: It's pissing, but make it better. 725 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: I'm not surprise, he hated. And the advertisement was literally 726 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: just like a riped Chad Michael Murray stripping, Like I 727 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: don't think it's supposed to have a good plot. Okay, 728 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: watch it and tell me what you think, because I 729 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: couldn't handle it either, because I got to a point 730 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: where I said to Reese, I didn't realize how bad 731 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: at acting Chad Michael. 732 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 2: May Hey, he's not bad at acting. 733 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: It was probably just the fucking crap script. Free Christmas 734 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: movie is bad though. I feel like, especially the new 735 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: Netflix one, it's kind of like. 736 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 2: The theme of these new Christmas movies. 737 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, pain, low budget and low rent. Every one of 738 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: those movies starts with that the successful person is single 739 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: and then they have to go spend Christmas at home 740 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: with their parents, and that is literally they're going home 741 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: every single one and then they fall in love with 742 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: someone at that there. 743 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 2: What's wrong with that? 744 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: Like, everyone needs a bit of joy for Christmas. 745 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 2: I want to watch the Holiday. Have you guys seen that? 746 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: I sank to Brandon because I said, I think it's 747 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: Holly from Mum and mea. She does this really cute 748 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: thing with her family where they write down all of 749 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: the Christmas movies that they want to watch. They put 750 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: them in a jar, and then each weekend they pick 751 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: out a new one. And I said, I want to 752 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: watch the holiday brand's like watching those. 753 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 2: Seen that before? Well, what was the other one? 754 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: He didn't He didn't want to watch love actually as well, 755 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: So maybe I'll have to have a girl's movie then. 756 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 2: So I couldn't deal with that because. 757 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: My favorite Christmas movies are the English Christmas movie es. Well, 758 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: that's what we've got time for today. Thank you for 759 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: listening to another episode of Outspoken Don't Forget. 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