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Speaker 2: Darren, Katy. How are you not bad?

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Speaker 1: Mate? How are you guys going?

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Speaker 2: We're we're doing a pretty tough down here, Cody. The

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Speaker 1: No, it's absolutely frightening, Darren. And it's not only frightening,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't care if people will hate it, Catie,

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Speaker 2: Like tell me, worry me. I'll tell you what, Cady. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: under a fair wack of criticism, But they have got

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Speaker 2: and they have got generational change. They just can't make

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Speaker 2: the interim. That's where they're falling down. That's where they're

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Speaker 2: And that's all we ask for is to be safe

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Speaker 2: We can't do that currently, and that's all we ask for.

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Speaker 2: the same environment that they actually came from. So they're

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Speaker 2: There's no plan from the SEALP to look after young

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Speaker 2: There is no plan for economic and social development on

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Speaker 2: They haven't got a job, so Lea Finocio is absolutely

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Speaker 2: good opposition Katie, and we haven't got a good opposition.

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Speaker 1: Either, Darren, do we know, just just to ask of

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Speaker 2: All I'm here and is here the famous Operation Drina.

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Speaker 2: But then the people out in the suburbs at two

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Speaker 1: Cart Well, that was going to be my next question. Right,

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Speaker 2: And let's you know, the people down pretty anxious, they're

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Speaker 1: Honestly, Yeah, honestly, you know the fact that we're back

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Look at the private sector took took

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Speaker 2: dear the economy, look, we just need to act faster.

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Speaker 2: We're meant to make some bold decisions and just keep

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Speaker 1: some point is we've got so many wonderful people in

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Speaker 2: Yeah it is, Cody, But look it's funny down here.

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Speaker 2: Not funny, but you know, people are down, and I

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Speaker 2: Where they're up there and go you're on the two

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Speaker 2: in central Australia, we all have to sit together because

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Speaker 2: we've got some big problems in my communities, in all

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Speaker 2: our urban centers. We've just got a bloody we'll sit

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Speaker 2: together and get through this, yep, and work to the future,

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Speaker 2: because the future, and look after these little kids, mate,

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Speaker 2: We just got to help those little kids come through it,

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Speaker 2: give them a future. We're not going to save all

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Speaker 2: they get a chance education, they can get a job

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Speaker 2: one day and be part of the community, and they're

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Speaker 2: that's the heartbreaking thing to see because these young children. Mate,

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Speaker 2: you look at them and you just shad it's here.

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Speaker 1: Darren, we are going to have to wrap up, mate,

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate you having a chat to us this morning.

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Speaker 1: Let us know or we'll keep an eye and an

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Speaker 1: ear out on what exactly does get announced today. We

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Speaker 1: we can find out, but mate, thank you, thanks very

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Speaker 1: much for having a chat with me today. Thanks thanks Darren.

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