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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the

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Speaker 1: time poor parent who just wants answers.

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Speaker 2: Now pop into the school and just sort of tap

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Speaker 2: on the door of reception and you can say, we

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Speaker 2: just wanted to know if we could go for a

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Speaker 2: walk around the school, maybe have a tour, maybe meet

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Speaker 2: one or two people so that my little one feels secure.

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Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show, my mum

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Speaker 1: and dad.

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Speaker 3: Hello everybody, Happy Monday.

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Speaker 2: This is doctor Justin Colson, the founder of Happy Families

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Speaker 2: dot com dot you.

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Speaker 3: I'm here with Kylie, my wife and mum.

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Speaker 2: To our six children as we get ready for Queensland schools,

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Speaker 2: heading back our kids in the uniforms, their shoes, last

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Speaker 2: minute dashes the shops over the weekend this week. For

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Speaker 2: everyone else around the country, it's going to be your

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Speaker 2: opportunity to get that done.

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Speaker 3: But today on the.

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Speaker 2: Podcast, we wanted to talk about preparing first time as

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Speaker 2: we've got little kids to go to school for the

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Speaker 2: first time, little kids are going to like pre school

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Speaker 2: for the first time, maybe some kids that are starting

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Speaker 2: a brand new school because there's been movement across the summer,

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Speaker 2: across the holidays, and we thought it'd be useful to

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Speaker 2: share a couple of ideas to help with anxiety and

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Speaker 2: nerves and the challenges associated with being a first timer

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Speaker 2: on a big day at school with the year kicking off.

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Speaker 4: So the other day, this feels like a little bit

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Speaker 4: of a tangent, but stay with me. The other day

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Speaker 4: I took our twenty year old out to buy her

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Speaker 4: first pair of Doc Martins. Right, so she heads off

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Speaker 4: to England for eighteen months next month.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we only got in fact, it's about a month today.

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Speaker 4: And Doc Martin's aren't her usual choice of shoe, but

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Speaker 4: she needs a good sturdy walking shoe. Pretty much will

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Speaker 4: be the only shoe she has for eighteen months. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and these have been highly recommended and it needs.

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Speaker 4: And as she put them on and I looked at her,

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Speaker 4: And I just completely teared up and it reminded me

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Speaker 4: like this is a massive milestone in her life and

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Speaker 4: for any parent going through first time starting school, it

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Speaker 4: can be such an emotional time and seeing your little

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Speaker 4: five year old in their school time. Do you remember

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Speaker 4: when Lily.

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Speaker 3: It's heart melting Lily.

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Speaker 4: It was our shortest little one, and so everything just

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Speaker 4: there was no space between her socks that had to

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Speaker 4: were so that's right, and there's just there is so

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Speaker 4: going to look like. So today let's talk about a

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Speaker 2: With these So we've done first days with six children

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Speaker 3: But also with starting new schools.

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Speaker 2: We've moved a handful of times, as long time listeners

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Speaker 3: Really been through this a lot.

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Speaker 2: I want the bulk of our conversation to be about

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Speaker 2: sure that there'll be a lot in here that's useful

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Speaker 2: for any other context. Okay, so if you've got your

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Speaker 2: The first thing that I want to mention is to

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Speaker 2: And we've both done it and not done it, And

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Speaker 4: And I think that schools are getting better and better

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Speaker 3: Or there's your school, yep.

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Speaker 2: If you're walking or riding a bike, actually do it,

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Speaker 4: You've gone from having a child that, for all intents

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I want to share something really practical as

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Speaker 4: Even letting them wear their uniforms. It might mean that

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Speaker 2: Perfect, And I think that's probably about it. Obviously, if

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Speaker 2: these ideas. They'll still be useful. In fact, the story

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Speaker 2: that you've just shared, we had kids across the entire

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Speaker 2: there's a sense that it's okay, I know someone here.

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Speaker 4: Well, you're pre arming. Yes, yes, it's about this my

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Speaker 2: But what you're also doing is you're creating a unified approach.

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Speaker 2: You're saying, we're on the same team here. I want

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Speaker 2: to let you know I'm going to communicate clearly with you.

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Speaker 2: I want you to be able to communicate clearly with me.

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Speaker 2: These are the kinds of challenges that you might have.

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Speaker 2: Here's how we address it at home. You get to

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Speaker 2: It's true that not every school has one hundred percent

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Speaker 4: And sometimes it's not actually about whether or not the

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Speaker 4: that inverted commas there, but personalities. Sometimes we just don't click.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you don't need to have to have AD

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Speaker 4: Sometime it's just it just is the way it is.

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Speaker 4: But the more communication can have again, the better the

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Speaker 2: Hopefully well, we hope these ideas have been helpful for

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Speaker 2: anyone who's preparing their first time as for their first

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much for listening.

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Speaker 2: The Happy Families podcast is produced by Justin Rulan from

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Speaker 2: Bridge Media. Craig Bruce is our executive producer. Tomorrow a

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Speaker 2: big conversation. How many extracurricular activities is too much, how

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Speaker 2: many is not enough?

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Speaker 3: How do we know where to draw the line around that.

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Speaker 3: It's all coming up on the Happy Families podcast tomorrow