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Speaker 1: There has been so much talk.

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Speaker 2: As you'll know, on this show, we speak a lot

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Speaker 2: or we certainly cover a lot of the youth crime

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Speaker 2: issues that we see around the Northern Territory. And there's

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Speaker 2: been a lot of talk from the Northern Territory government

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Speaker 2: about youth camps. The Police Minister touting the government's commitment

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Speaker 2: to build three on country camps now seven EMU Station

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Speaker 2: near Bora Lula. It is one camp that's already operating

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Speaker 2: in the Northern Territory, taking kids out and re engaging

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Speaker 2: them with culture and country. And Frank Shadford joins me

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Speaker 2: on the line to tell us a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you. Frank, good morning, Okay, thanks.

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Speaker 2: So much for your time this morning. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: I know you're a busy man. Frank, without giving away

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Speaker 2: all your secrets, can you tell us a bit about

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Speaker 2: the work that you do with Territory youth.

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Speaker 3: Ah. Yeah, we do take kids from the youth program.

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Speaker 3: But you know a lot of people say, well because

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Speaker 3: back further than what what we're doing, like what's happening

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Speaker 3: to the kids where they are, People don't realize it's

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Speaker 3: we're looking up pissed and there's a problem, like they're

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Speaker 3: stealing whether it's black or white or grin. Look, if

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Speaker 3: you go back and look at people just sitting down

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Speaker 3: and eat and drinking and smoking. Yep, that's a problem.

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Speaker 3: That's a very big problem. Because when you bring kids

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Speaker 3: out from way, but you're going to detox them for

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Speaker 3: a week. Yeah, it's just like taking kids from people.

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Speaker 3: You know, when you have alcohol problems, send them, send

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Speaker 3: them to rehab. Well, it's more or less the same

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Speaker 3: thing with kids.

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Speaker 1: So, Frank, do you mean you.

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Speaker 3: Know a lot that and the brink that we eat.

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Speaker 3: There's too much sugar food and people just sitting down.

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Speaker 3: That's the problem. Yeah, people need to do something about that,

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Speaker 3: need to make people work with it. You know, there's

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Speaker 3: too much money about fluers. I'm concerned.

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Speaker 2: So Frank, tell us, how do you get you know, like,

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Speaker 2: how do you get those kids out there? Like you said,

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Speaker 2: if they've been you know, eating terribly, they've not been

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Speaker 2: you know, they're not active. What kinds of things do

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Speaker 2: you get them doing out there out at seven EMU station?

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Speaker 3: Everything, whatever there is to do, you do it.

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Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, So like anybody out there working on the station, really,

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Speaker 2: like anyone working out there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't have plan. You just get up and

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Speaker 3: do what you've got to do. Well, plans doesn't work.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't work anywhere really, to what I can see it,

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Speaker 3: how many kids, Frank, help, I'll tell you something. There's

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Speaker 3: a lot of sugar and people. Yeah, there's too much

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Speaker 3: and people. You know, of course people are going to

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Speaker 3: go silly.

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Speaker 2: Frank mate, you like you're speaking my language, right. I

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Speaker 2: I'm somebody who I am active all the time. You know.

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Speaker 2: I've got my kids not only sort of out and

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Speaker 2: being active through their activities education wise and and you know,

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Speaker 2: doing jobs and making them ow the lawn and that

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Speaker 2: kind of thing, but also like through sport and keeping

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Speaker 2: them active. I think it is such an important thing

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Speaker 2: for everybody to have that movement.

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Speaker 3: Well, you have to have that movement otherwise, you know.

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Speaker 3: You you look at TV, you look at all the

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Speaker 3: I phone and look at all the criminals. What they're doing. Well,

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Speaker 3: I'll do that. See Yep, that's of course is the problem.

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Speaker 3: They're shown all these sort of thing and they said, oh,

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Speaker 3: improve people live, Well, you're going to improve people live

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Speaker 3: or improve improve education. Look made up about might have education.

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Speaker 3: I only went to grade fool and I wanted to

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Speaker 3: come back and work. I was only thirty.

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Speaker 2: Me, Frank, tell me how many kids have you taken

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Speaker 2: out on country over the years.

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Speaker 3: I've been doing it for thirty years before this goverment.

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Speaker 3: I till con fire us for men give up in

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Speaker 3: Western Australia, Gold Coast. These are white kids, yep, rock Empton.

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Speaker 3: So all the kid there, I know, they're all in

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Speaker 3: the mind. They got better job than I have. They

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Speaker 2: So you know, so it works, mt. It absolutely works.

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Speaker 2: By the sounds of it.

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, you know, hard loving, tender care that sometime

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Speaker 3: it helps. Hard with kids are not really hard, but

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Speaker 3: you know, you talk to them more stern and talk

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Speaker 3: tell them what's right and wrong. But it goes back

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Speaker 3: to the food that we eat. I can tell you

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Speaker 3: now there's too much in the food that we I

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Speaker 3: don't care what because I've seen that. Look the people,

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Speaker 3: it's old people. Young people are going to hit. Some

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Speaker 3: you go, oh, people, you know, they built out a

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Speaker 3: proportion as far as see too much easy living?

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Speaker 2: Yeap, Frank, I like, I agree with you. I think

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Speaker 2: that there is so much in the way of easy

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Speaker 2: living for people, no matter where you come from. You know,

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Speaker 2: even when you talk about you know, like about people

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Speaker 2: not having to work and being able to still you know,

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Speaker 2: to work and still being able to purchase you know,

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Speaker 2: alcohol and all sorts of things.

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Speaker 3: Well, too much alcohol. There's too much alcohol. Restrict to

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Speaker 3: bloody alcohols. Whereas I'm concerned if you can't go one

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Speaker 3: day or two day without grow, well you're not where

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Speaker 2: See Frank, tell me on the weekend we had a

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Speaker 2: horrendous weekend of crime up here in Darwin. We had

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Speaker 2: kids holding up people at knife point, stealing cars, trying

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Speaker 2: to get into homes with golf clubs.

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Speaker 1: What do you think needs to be happening.

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Speaker 3: Well, a lot of them. People should be sent on

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Speaker 3: the front line.

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Speaker 1: And you reckon that. I mean that would teach you

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Speaker 1: very different values, wouldn't it. Frank.

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Speaker 3: If people want to go to well, send them over

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Speaker 3: there and it's not a war about.

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Speaker 1: And Frank, what effect like? How effective? In your opinion?

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Speaker 2: You know you've been there, you've been running things at

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Speaker 2: seven EMU station now for more than thirty years.

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Speaker 1: You've set how effective? What's that? Sorry? With young kids? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Look how effective has it been? From your perspective, it's

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Speaker 1: been successful.

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Speaker 3: What I can see is not every kid's going to

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Speaker 3: be a profession or wild minister. And this took much

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Speaker 3: education on some of the average And keep this model,

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Speaker 3: you know, it's good in somebody. A kid's going to

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Speaker 3: he's got his mind. When he goes to the street,

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Speaker 3: you know exactly what he's going to do. You shouldn't

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Speaker 3: drive into what you want. And I reckon people should

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Speaker 3: go to work and as simple as that, whether you

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Speaker 3: know seven days a week, hard work, sixty six that's

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Speaker 3: what you want and everybody should have it, and that

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Speaker 3: should have a certificate. Just go to work. You don't

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Speaker 3: need a certificate to pick up a shovel or a

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Speaker 3: crowbar something. You don't need that. There's too much red

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Speaker 3: type on things for people to do, and that's what

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Speaker 3: making half half the problem hard. But you know you're

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Speaker 3: gonna stop this and to fix an average if you

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Speaker 3: want to go abridge and aboriginally going to fix it

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Speaker 3: in their way, their problem. They got to fix it.

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Speaker 3: They're the only one can do it, Frank. Are there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of strong, averaging women in this country that

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Speaker 3: nobody don't want to give my goal because it's mean

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Speaker 3: money everybody. When you look at society today, all they

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Speaker 3: might worry about is money and corruption, too much of it,

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Speaker 3: not looking back beyond, and they're leaving the kid beyond

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Speaker 3: and too late.

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Speaker 2: Frank, Are these situations where where kids can be too

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Speaker 2: far gone for you to take them on?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? There is. Yeah, you can turn certain kids, but

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Speaker 3: you I know straight away which kids I can turn

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Speaker 3: straight away. And there's a lot of kid you're gonna

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Speaker 3: sit down and talk to them. And a lot of kids

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Speaker 3: are stealing because they're hungry, and like I said, it's

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Speaker 3: the food that we eat.

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Speaker 1: Frank.

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Speaker 2: You said then that you can tell pretty well straight

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Speaker 1: How can you tell?

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Speaker 3: It's just like you're asking me story what you want

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Speaker 3: to ask me? You can do? You know, when you've

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Speaker 3: been doing it for a long time, talking to a

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Speaker 3: lot of you. A lot of kids need that parent.

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Speaker 3: But when you look back, it goes back further than

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Speaker 3: what today. So you look at that kid back five

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Speaker 3: generations of people been sitting down and it goes back

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Speaker 3: to that food. Like all I said, it's the food

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Speaker 3: that we can eat and drink so much sugar meal

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Speaker 3: is it's not It's not fun.

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Speaker 1: Frank do you reckon?

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Speaker 2: We need more camps, more of or more of what

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Speaker 2: you're doing. You know out there at the station. Does

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Speaker 2: that need to be happening more often?

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Speaker 3: More often? You need to be more stations. And I

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Speaker 3: that's the kid. But it has to be a good

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Speaker 3: person can relate to kids. And I know a good

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Speaker 3: I could name them straight away, but I don't like

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Speaker 3: indigenous people and understand the white kids. You can understand

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Speaker 3: both sides. I'm not able to sage the dollar. You've

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Speaker 3: got to be there for the sagging the kids. Now,

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Speaker 3: I know few.

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Speaker 1: Like good on you. I think it is.

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Speaker 2: I think it's really admirable what you're doing, and I think.

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Speaker 3: Blocking kids up that's not the solution. You know, there's

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Speaker 3: a solution to it, like people that turn the wrong thing,

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Speaker 3: like other things that are you know, killing people, that

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Speaker 3: sort of stuff. It's a still you can't bend the kitten.

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Speaker 3: I bend a few, but you got the kids come

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Speaker 3: back to that same system. You've got to You've got

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Speaker 3: to work out a way, whether it's a system, when

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Speaker 3: they go back, he's still got that same mentality when

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Speaker 3: he left there, eat you or where he left. You know,

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Speaker 3: you've got to have that same mentality. Because you go

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Speaker 3: back to that same thing, you're not fixing the problem.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, well that's it.

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Speaker 2: They're going back to the same place where they've where

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Speaker 2: they've been able to get, you know, to behave in

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Speaker 2: that way, or where it has been bad and they've

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Speaker 2: they've been misbehaving or breaking the law.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's not the kids for that's the way

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Speaker 3: I see a lot of people have condemned what I'm saying,

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Speaker 3: But if you've been doing it for a long time

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Speaker 3: as much as high, you'll know the difference. I don't

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Speaker 3: believe they ad it's a mad bloody kids. Besides myself,

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Speaker 3: I'm just as stupid as them. But they.

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Speaker 2: Frank, tell me mate to, you know, to go on

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Speaker 2: to something slightly different, but still in the same vein.

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Speaker 2: Are you still teaching kids how to catch balls?

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Speaker 3: Nami sundays, Oh, your son does that.

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Speaker 2: I grew up in Mount Isa, so I love I

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Speaker 2: love a good rodeo. I love seeing that kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: Frank, Yeah, well my view, Well, well, I'm I'm.

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Speaker 1: A wolf girl.

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Speaker 2: So look, most of my family is they lived there

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Speaker 2: for quite a long time, the wolves.

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Speaker 1: But yes, I what's that.

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Speaker 3: I thought the wolf was in Canada.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, maybe we moved across at some point.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Frank, maybe I think that, you know, I think

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Speaker 2: on't need to be donish, That's what I said.

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Speaker 3: I mean Indigenous people that have traded their own problem.

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Speaker 3: I yeah, you know, the government has to take in

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Speaker 3: them somehow. There's a lot of strong women that can

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Speaker 3: do and there's lots of strong men. But the station

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Speaker 3: is the one that that's the solution to me. And

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Speaker 3: when you look at a lot of kid like horse and cattle,

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Speaker 3: doesn't matter what it is. The rental kids from Mandumu

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Speaker 3: in canber The kid came from manumum. I didn't buy

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Speaker 3: us up without me or anything, and he was a

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Speaker 3: credit to us. And the kid from Gold Coast he

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Speaker 3: works in.

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Speaker 1: The man of mind man love it.

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Speaker 3: He had for five years, but he come up to

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Speaker 3: his mother, you know. The but a lot of us

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Speaker 3: got to do with procod family. Yeah, yeah, that's that's

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Speaker 3: that's part of the problem.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, Frank, I really I really appreciate the insight

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Speaker 2: that you've given us today and telling us more about

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Speaker 2: seven Amy station.

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Speaker 3: And then the kids start talking to you and didn't

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Speaker 3: you look back? How long you go back? And it

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Speaker 3: goes back a long way so it doesn't happen from now.

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Speaker 3: It's been a generation thing. Really, yeah, it's not when

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Speaker 3: you have a given kid a fair go, they just

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Speaker 3: bad as lucky.

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Speaker 1: Muck frank mate.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well no, I've mate, I have really, I've really

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Speaker 2: appreciated your insight this morning, and I know that there'll

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Speaker 2: be other people listening this morning who feel exactly the same,

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Speaker 2: because you know, we hear from the government at different

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Speaker 2: times we need boot camps, we need this, we know

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Speaker 2: well we need that, you know, but I like, I

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Speaker 2: think what you are saying is going to resonate with

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Speaker 2: so many people. People have to work, you've got to

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Speaker 2: be active, you've got to eat well. These are all

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Speaker 2: the fundamentals of life for a lot of us, For

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Speaker 2: you and I.

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Speaker 1: You know, so for other kids it's exactly the same.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just well even all the people got to eat

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Speaker 3: normal food. And I can say another thing on this thing,

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Speaker 3: but I might let it get chuck the next.

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Speaker 1: Day, like, oh, Frank, mate, I really.

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Speaker 2: Frank, thank you so much for having a chat with

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Speaker 2: us this morning. I am going to have to leave

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Speaker 2: it there. I really appreciate you having a yarn with us. Mate.

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Speaker 2: At some point, I'd like to catch up with you

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Speaker 2: again if you've ever got anything happening out there at

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Speaker 2: seven EMU station that you reckon we should know about.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to bring that to the broader Northern Territory audience.

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Speaker 2: So we're always here if you want to have a chat.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I certainly do it. Good.

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Speaker 2: I work for She'll be listening this morning, hopefully. Frank,

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Speaker 2: thanks so much, mate, thank you so much for having

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Speaker 2: a chat with us this morning. I really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you,