WEBVTT - PAULIE - AUSTRALIAN SURVIVOR WEEK 6 - NETWORK 10 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:01.640 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:03.920 TV Reload, the podcast Last Weep thereby. 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:06.480 Hey everyone, welcome back to TV Reload. 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:08.160 I want to thank you for clicking and downloading on 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:12.480 today's episode featuring Paulie, who was recently eliminated from Australian 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:17.160 Survivor Brains Versus Braun two. Pauli was a fantastic addition 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:19.520 to the Braun tribe and I have loved seeing a 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:22.800 queer man representing with just as much strength as the. 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:23.800 Straighty one eighties. 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:26.640 The six week of the competition brought a major twist, 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:29.280 forcing some of the players back to basics. It also 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:32.239 delivered one of the most chaotic tribal councils yet so 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:35.400 wild in fact that it deserves its own podcast, which 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:38.280 will be out tomorrow. In this episode, Paulie opens up 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:41.600 about his sexuality, including his experience coming out to his 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:44.839 father and how fans have reacted to his story. We 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:48.120 will unpack whether his kindness was mistaken for weakness on 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:50.839 the beach, and what he thinks of Kaylan's strategy at 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:53.440 this point of the game. Has he embraced a Golden 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:56.800 Retriever type narrative. Paulie will also share his thoughts on 0:00:56.880 --> 0:00:59.920 miles survival in the game and what his friendship looks like. 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:03.400 Now with AJ, I'll ask Paulie about his reaction to 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:06.440 being labeled the snake blood salesman, and we will get 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:09.200 a deep dive into those bitchy faces that we've. 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:10.600 Seen so far on the jury. 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:13.559 There is actually so much to unpack with Paulie today, 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:16.600 with plenty of inside revelations. So sit back and relax 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:19.600 and enjoy as we dive into the incredible world of 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:23.560 Australian Survivor, which returns this Sunday night on Network ten. 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:26.200 I've been so excited to talk to you. 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:28.560 You've been one of my favorite and my partner and 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:31.720 I we've been watching it obviously and you've been one 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:32.480 of our favorites. 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:35.080 Oh stop, thank you. That's so kind. 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:36.920 I think it's because you have a bit of an 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:40.319 underdog status though, and I think I'm drawn to the underdog. 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:42.240 How do you take that? Is that a positive? A? 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:43.160 You know what? 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:47.200 I think it definitely is something positive, you know, to 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:49.880 be called to be seen as an underdog, because I 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:52.320 think I am an underdog naturally, do you know what 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:54.520 I mean? Like I've gone through my struggles in life, 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:56.440 just like a lot of people have gone through struggles, 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:59.320 and I think, you know, being gay has a lot 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:02.040 to do with it, because you naturally feel like an 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:05.160 underdog when you cop it all as a kid going 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:08.919 through bleeding, you know, years of torture only to sort 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:12.240 of always rise above and to always succeed in the 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:14.280 things that you put your mind to. So I think 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:17.880 it's really important to recognize that, you know, underdogs come 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:21.000 from from a tough place, were built from toughness from 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:21.560 the beginning. 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:23.760 That's a litably why I was so emotional when we 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:26.240 saw your video about you talking about your dad and 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:30.079 your bringing. I don't know whether or not we are 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:32.160 living similar lives, like I mean, a lot of it 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:34.640 was quite different, but the trigger points for me were 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:37.200 really accurate, and I was like, I feel like I'm 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:40.200 living my life in some way looking for some validation 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:43.320 and redemption and I think in some ways we might 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:43.880 share that. 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:44.679 I think so too. 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:48.400 Yeah, absolutely, because it resonated with a lot of people. 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:52.279 The amount of love and support and letters. 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:55.360 Of appreciation that I got from that moment was not 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:58.200 even tell you how overwhelming it was, Like it really 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:00.800 just touched my heart and the sad thing is as 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:03.919 well that not many people have the same story. They 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:05.800 have a story where you know, they've come out to 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:08.840 their family and they haven't been accepted, And so I 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:11.400 had to read a lot of stories of people saying 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.480 thank you for sharing that. It's given me hope that 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:18.320 there are still fathers out there that are accepting their sons, 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:20.720 even when my own couldn't. So I think it was 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:23.480 a really vulnerable and emotional moment. 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:24.200 At the time. 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:27.119 I was kind of like mortified for it to be captured, 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:30.280 and I kind of had this anxiety about them airing 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:33.040 it because I'm like, it's such a huge moment for me, 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:35.920 not only as a player but as a man, and 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:39.640 to have that aired around the world was scary starting. 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:42.920 But it was received so beautifully. It was one of 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:44.600 one of the highlights of my survivor. 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.120 Jenny, for sure, what you offered to us in that 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:49.600 moment was brave. I'm going to say that to you, 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:52.560 and I know you know that, and I guarantee you 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:56.960 there was boys walking into their fathers and telling them 0:03:56.960 --> 0:04:01.360 that they're gay, and that is powerful. Yeah, one you 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:04.160 might not have won Astray and Survivor, but right there 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:06.680 this is might sound really dramatic, and the listeners for 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:08.800 me right there, you're saving lives. 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:09.680 That's what I think. 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:11.120 Oh, thank you so much. 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:14.320 That's a lot, you know, it's a lot of emotion 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:16.760 to process, it's a lot to hear. But I'm just 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:20.080 I'm happy that I'm in a position to be that 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:22.520 vessel for people and to have a story to share 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:25.000 that's going to inspire hope for people. 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:27.680 It's beautiful and I'm pretty sure that you just gave 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:31.200 a lot of gay men some body oddiody goals like 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:33.159 you turn up on that show ready to play. 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:34.120 You are a weapon. 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:36.880 I was not mucking around, girl, I'd tell you now. 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:39.159 I can't tell you how many people I've spoken to 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:41.680 you from this season who have told me this. They 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.640 have all said how lovely you are as a person. 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:47.920 Interesting to hear because I don't know if they really 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:51.080 valued you enough on the show. I think there was 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:54.120 a lot of times where they took your kindness and 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:55.400 turned it into something else. 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:56.960 What's your read on all of that. 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:59.320 Do you think that there's been a bit of a 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:02.120 disconnect between your kindness and the way in which you 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:02.640 were treated. 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:04.159 Yeah, one hundred percent. 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:07.360 And I think it all stemmed from the narrative of 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:10.680 the snake oil salesman. AJ was the creator of that, 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:14.000 and to his testament, it worked because the only thing 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:16.359 that was going to harm my game was dragging my 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:18.520 name through the mud, which is what he did. He 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:21.520 recognized my strengths, which is my character, which is my name, 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:23.760 my personality, and that was the only thing that was 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.039 going to disarm me, and so that's exactly what he did. 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:29.479 I thought that makes blood salesman quote is iconic to 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:32.960 the show, and I did enjoy it so like whilst 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:36.280 it was detrimental to your gameplay, and well done to AJ. 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:38.000 I mean, he's a hot mess on this show. 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:42.080 If babes all over the place up down, sideways, somebody 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:44.719 knows what's going on. But he's such a beautiful man 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:48.000 outside of the game, Like he's so warm, he's so caring, 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:50.039 he reaches out to me all the time we go 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:52.760 for lunch, like he's just he's a beautiful man. It's 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:56.159 just his gameplay was so chaotic that everybody was just 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:58.040 so mad at how messy it was. 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:03.520 And now you're both together, great glad. I'm joking. I'm 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:06.080 drink no tea there getting a lot. 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:08.200 Of people sliding into your dms though, because not to 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:10.120 go back to the body ODDIODI and make me look 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:12.640 crazy as I already sound, I'm assuming you're getting hit 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:13.520 at the dms. 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:15.760 Well yeah, I mean it's cute people are sliding into 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:16.360 the dms. 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:18.840 Not only like thirsty dms and things, but I've been 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.159 getting a lot of love and support for the game. 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:23.960 People are asking me a lot of questions about paramedicine 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:25.560 and things like that, a lot of like up and 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:28.320 coming paramedics, so like, tell me about your story, and 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:32.159 I'm like, okay, So it's been really nice. It's like consuming, 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:34.200 it's a lot. It's hard to go through them all, 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:36.680 but I do my best. But in regards to the 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:39.640 body Oddie, I worked really hard because I used to 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:41.400 be quite large when I was younger. 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:44.400 Yeah, there's the tea. So I used to be, yeah, 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:45.240 a bigger boy. 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:47.359 And then yeah, and I went through a bit of 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:49.920 a breakup and then I was like, okay, well, if 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:52.560 I'm going to deal with this awfulness that I'm feeling, 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:55.080 I'm going to try and channel it somewhere positive. And 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:58.640 so I threw myself into the gym. I started reading books, 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:01.880 and then I joined day LGBT Swilm club. Like it 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.719 I've incorporated into my lifestyle now. I don't do it 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:07.120 just for aesthetics. I do it because I like it 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:09.360 and I need it for my mental health, my well being. 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:11.120 So it's just something that I enjoy. And you know, 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:13.560 the Q little six pack is just a little sideburns. 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:14.880 We want to talk about that. 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:16.440 You kind of gave me a tease on it with 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:19.360 the snake man salesman thing from AJ. But they put 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:21.480 a target on your back quite a few times. Where 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:23.640 does that come? Where's your what are you thinking? Where 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:25.080 does that come from? 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:28.200 It came to me. I just always saw it as 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:29.320 a little bit of a compliment. 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:31.760 I always saw it that they recognized me as a 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:34.320 threat that I was, and they wanted me out sooner 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:36.760 rather than later because down the line, I'm going to 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:39.480 be a problem. You know, those endurance challenges I'm really 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:42.680 good at. I'm good at all the challenges really, So 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:45.920 if I had made it further in merge, you know what, 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:49.160 I've started winning those necklaces because I think now that 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:52.800 I'm gone and Karen's gone, who's the challenge beast? Kaylin's 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:54.680 going to be unstoppable. I would have been the only 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:56.680 one who would have given him a run for his money. 0:07:56.880 --> 0:08:00.320 So I think that them targeting me one it was 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:03.240 a bit of complacency. I think that they I was 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:05.200 an easy vote because I was the target for so 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:07.600 long and nobody was willing to break out of the 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:09.240 mold and make a change. So I think there was 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:11.640 a bit of laziness and complacency on their part. And 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:15.120 I also think that they really believed the narrative of 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:17.640 me being the stakeholders as man everything I said was 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:20.559 a lie, when in fact it wasn't. I always did 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:22.440 what I said I was going to do, even when 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:24.760 I voted out Noonan. I never said to her I'm 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:27.200 not writing down your name. Always did what I said 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:29.320 I was going to do, but nobody believed it. 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:32.400 You know, Killen for me is a really interesting character 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:35.160 because do you I can't work it out. He's like 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.840 a Golden Retriever, right, Yeah, now that he's still in 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:40.000 the game at this point, do you think he played 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:42.880 the Golden Retriever up until now? Because it was only 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:45.240 in last night's episode that I started looking at him like, 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:47.800 you kind of look like the Golden God. Right now, like, yeah, 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:50.080 you look at a bit, David. I didn't notice this, 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:52.640 but it's coming behind me. And then I question whether 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:54.360 or not this has been a part of his gameplay 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:57.079 all along, or it's just because of his golden retriever 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:58.800 nature that he's still there. 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:01.959 I think she creates this narrative along the way, because 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:04.520 when you go out into Survivor, you always go, Okay, 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:06.080 this is how I'm going to play. This is what 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:09.000 I'm going to change about myself. I'm going to say 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:10.920 these things. I'm going to do this, which is not 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:12.640 who I am, but it's how I'm going to play. 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:15.640 That lasts for like three days, and then once you 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:18.760 get tired, once you get hungry, and you get lethargic, 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:21.200 and you you know you're getting hypertension because you've got 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:24.559 no food in your system, your authentic self shines through. 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:27.079 So what you're seeing at this point in the game 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:30.319 is this genuine And so I think what we've seen 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:34.160 of Kaitlin from the start, this puppy dog energy, is 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:37.480 actually legit. And I think he sort of cracked on 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:39.720 maybe around Merge He's like, Okay, I need to start 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:41.880 coming up with a strategy here. I need to think, 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:45.160 how can I sort of spin this my way? And 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:48.439 so I think that this strategic play was created along 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:48.920 the journey. 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:50.839 Did I call him killan before? What did I call him? 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:54.640 I called it something. I knew what you meant. I 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:56.320 was just pining for him the whole time. 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:58.520 I was just looking at him across the mat and 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:00.440 doing the challenges, and I was just in all. 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:03.640 I was just like hikaylen Hi. But I don't know 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:04.440 if it made the cut. 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:07.960 They were trying to spare whatever dignity they could have mine, 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:08.959 and I appreciate that. 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:12.320 We have to unpack. Miles, what is your rationale for 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:15.440 how this man has survived beyond apparently being the luckiest 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:17.400 man alive finding all these Yeah. 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:20.640 I think Miles is playing a really good game, and 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:25.120 Miles is a really charismatic, personable guy. So I think 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:28.200 him being the original target was purely based around his 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:31.359 size and him maybe being a little bit too straty, 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:34.600 chatty and a bit too like irritating sometimes. So I 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:37.640 think that that was his initial sort of target being 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:40.679 placed on him. But as the game sort of developed 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:44.480 and he started surviving, I think people were starting to 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:47.000 respect him more as a player. So yeah, we'll put 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:49.000 Miles down as a target, but he kept getting out 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:52.160 of it. He kept surviving. And what's the title of 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:56.120 the show, survivor? So how can you not rally behind 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:59.360 someone who is the target for a majority of the 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:02.200 season and he just keeps making it through tribal counsel 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:03.520 after tribal council. 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:06.200 And he even saved me along the way. You know, 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:07.360 how beautiful is that? 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:09.839 But then did you feel sort of is it vindicated? 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:11.599 This This is where I try to use words to 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:14.199 sound smarter than I am. But when he saved you, 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:16.760 and then in his piece to camera the next episode 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:19.400 where he said, yeah, I've saved him, but I am 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:20.880 really going to keep him around. 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:21.160 For very long. 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:25.640 Literally every night after that, saved every night after nine 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:28.280 votes with my name coming out of that earn was 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:29.720 a gift as far as I will say, And that 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:31.760 man can say whatever he wants about me. He gave 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:34.880 me an extra what four or five days in the game, 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.200 which I wouldn't have had I wouldn't have been on 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:39.600 the jury had it not written for Miles. 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:41.800 Actually, that is worth celebrating. 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:44.000 So he can say whatever he likes and at the 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:46.559 end of the day, he's a strategy player. I worked 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.480 for him at that time, and then if push came 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:51.320 to shove and he had to vote me out because 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:53.160 it was better for his game, my hat's off to 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:54.400 him for sure. 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:55.880 It's you can't get angry at the players. You can 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:56.960 only get angry at the game. 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:59.000 This is why you're picked for the show, because you're 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:01.600 so good at these lives, turning a phrase on saying 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:06.120 things about very clever. Can we talk about your bitchy 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:08.080 faces on the tribal council? 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:10.800 You know what, There's many layers to my personality and 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:12.720 if I were to be a little bit salty, then 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:15.400 I'm gonna be a little bit salty, and those well, 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:17.079 can I say, bitches, Yeah, go for it. 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:19.160 Bitches voted me out again? 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:20.600 Were you a bit emotional? 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:22.360 Like I was looking at you wondering whether or not 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:24.560 you look like you were going to cry in some 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:24.960 of them. 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:28.160 I shed a tear during Noonan's voter because I knew 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:30.080 what was coming. So that was a really hard one. 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:31.880 I didn't want to write hand Dame down. I had 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:34.400 to write hand Dad down, so that was tough. There's 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:39.440 always a massive element of anxiety, so you're always literally 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:42.680 on edge at tribal council because you just don't know 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:45.200 what's going to happen, and especially towards the end, I 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:47.240 sort of got used to that anxiety, so I was 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:49.000 always just trying to calm my nerves. So I was 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:51.040 never on the verge of tears at tribal council by 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.480 the noon in one, but I was always very anxious. 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:56.200 Yeah, look, I think it's a really interesting set of 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:58.440 clothes that you're about to show us. How do you 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:00.880 go about picking all of those outfits? And did you 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:03.560 get at your best one first, like the the no shirt, 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:07.520 the suit jacket and the African queen necklace. 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:11.120 It's like, I know, right, you look. 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:14.440 Yeah, I wanted to have a nice blend of outfits 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:15.760 that expressed who. 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:16.640 I am as a person. 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:19.800 So you know, when I was selecting my Dorey outfits, 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:21.559 I was praying that I didn't have to use them, 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:23.920 but obviously I did, and so I just wanted to 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:27.079 honestly represent how I dress in my everyday life when 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:28.960 I go out or when I just go for coffee, 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:31.560 you know, So I yeah, I made sure that the 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:35.160 fits were cute, but unfortunately for me, there were a 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:39.880 couple of outfits that wouldn't work on camera, so yeah, 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:41.560 they stroved with the camera lighting. 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:43.880 So I was wearing these like beautiful. 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:46.360 Sheer see through like long sleeve numbers that hold this 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:49.280 like Allett paint design on them and stuff like gorgeous 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:52.640 from Amsterdam, but they got canceled because of there they 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:55.720 stroved on camera, so I had to sort of reassess. 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:58.439 I had to figure out two more outfits for the 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:01.559 tribal councils. And who who's closet was I going to 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:04.480 aid Laura's at this point, So I had to rumish 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:05.360 through Laura's. 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:07.360 Closet to find an outfit, and you know what, I 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:07.880 made it work. 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:10.559 Just before we wrap up, because I could literally talk 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:13.240 to you all day, I wanted to quickly unpack the 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:17.040 Zara and Logan personality types. What's your read on these 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:20.040 two women and do you think that things aren't looking 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:21.000 great for them at the moment. 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:24.560 I was obviously a lot closer to Logan than I 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:28.000 was Tazara. Meansara actually really didn't have much to do 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:31.080 with each other. She was in one very separate alliance. 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:33.600 We never came together until she came over to the 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:36.600 Braun tribe, but that was really close to merge, and 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:39.080 when she did come over, I was the target and 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:40.920 she was talking to all of her friends and stuff. 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:44.040 So I can't really speak too much on Zara's gameplayer 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:46.080 other than what I've seen on TV as well, But 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:50.200 I think they are playing for themselves like everybody else's 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:53.000 and I think sometimes you can just get a little 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:54.680 bit too dependent on your buddy. 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:56.600 I think that that's where they went wrong. 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.920 They were playing for themselves obviously number one to win, 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:02.800 but I think there was a transition where they started 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:05.480 to really see themselves as a unit in the buddy 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:08.480 system and they forgot about themselves as the number one, 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:10.440 and I think that that was a bit detrimental to 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:11.080 the gameplay. 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:14.960 Logan to me, is a very emotional survivor player. You know, 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:17.240 she either likes people or she hates them, and to me, 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:20.000 that's my read on it. She might be really different, 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:21.480 and hopefully I've got a chance to talk to her 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:24.320 about that, but I did think that she is. When 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:26.240 you're an emotional player in a game like this, it 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:27.360 can be quite dangerous. 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:30.120 Yeah, well, I was an emotional player in the game. 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:31.480 I was by the end of it. 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:33.600 I was really playing in from the emotions because that's 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:35.800 all I had left. I had had no alliances, I 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:39.480 had no community necklace. So you're naturally responding from an 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:43.160 emotional place, especially because you were so fatigued just so 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:45.840 man marriage. So it's really really hard. But Logan's a 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:48.880 wonderful person, like she is an amazing girl, and sometimes 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:50.680 emotions get the better of her when she has her 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:52.920 outbursts and things like that. But after the ordeal that 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:55.600 we've gone through, like going through to tribal council is 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:58.000 a massive day. You do the challenge, then you go 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:01.080 to tribal council like it's huge, So it's only natural 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:03.600 that you know, you respond with how you're feeling. 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:06.320 It's really hard to censor yourself when you're so weak. 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:09.520 Well speaking about being weak at the knees. So JLP 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.160 is he intimidating in those tribal councils, Like, I mean, 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:13.800 this guy's no man. 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.320 Total swurm. 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:19.440 He does a really great job of being able to 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:21.880 ask those questions. When you're in the moment of that, 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:23.600 are you all sort of chomping at the bit for 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:25.680 him to ask you a question? Because I mean, obviously 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:27.800 this is made for TV, so it probably plays out 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:30.520 over a longer period of time. Is there a competitive 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:32.520 nature in the way on which everyone sits there on 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:35.160 those tribal councils wanting some JAILP time. 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:38.200 I didn't think anybody goes out of their way to 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:41.360 get attention from JAILP because I think he automatically evens 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:44.600 it out between everybody during the filming of the Tribal Councils, like, 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:46.600 it takes a lot longer than what you see on TV, 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:48.560 So there are a lot more questions asked to a 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:52.680 lot more people, so you don't really feel isolated by anyone. 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:55.640 He just sort of asks everyone a certain amount of 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.000 questions and they're sort of tailored to the way the 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:01.760 conversations that were had during the scramble. So if you're 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:04.679 actively involved in the scramble, then you can expect you're 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:06.120