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Speaker 3: today's episode featuring Paulie, who was recently eliminated from Australian
Speaker 3: Survivor Brains Versus Braun two. Pauli was a fantastic addition
Speaker 3: to the Braun tribe and I have loved seeing a
Speaker 3: queer man representing with just as much strength as the.
Speaker 2: Straighty one eighties.
Speaker 3: The six week of the competition brought a major twist,
Speaker 3: forcing some of the players back to basics. It also
Speaker 3: delivered one of the most chaotic tribal councils yet so
Speaker 3: wild in fact that it deserves its own podcast, which
Speaker 3: will be out tomorrow. In this episode, Paulie opens up
Speaker 3: about his sexuality, including his experience coming out to his
Speaker 3: father and how fans have reacted to his story. We
Speaker 3: will unpack whether his kindness was mistaken for weakness on
Speaker 3: the beach, and what he thinks of Kaylan's strategy at
Speaker 3: this point of the game. Has he embraced a Golden
Speaker 3: Retriever type narrative. Paulie will also share his thoughts on
Speaker 3: miles survival in the game and what his friendship looks like.
Speaker 3: Now with AJ, I'll ask Paulie about his reaction to
Speaker 3: being labeled the snake blood salesman, and we will get
Speaker 3: a deep dive into those bitchy faces that we've.
Speaker 2: Seen so far on the jury.
Speaker 3: There is actually so much to unpack with Paulie today,
Speaker 3: with plenty of inside revelations. So sit back and relax
Speaker 3: and enjoy as we dive into the incredible world of
Speaker 3: Australian Survivor, which returns this Sunday night on Network ten.
Speaker 2: I've been so excited to talk to you.
Speaker 3: You've been one of my favorite and my partner and
Speaker 3: I we've been watching it obviously and you've been one
Speaker 3: of our favorites.
Speaker 4: Oh stop, thank you. That's so kind.
Speaker 3: I think it's because you have a bit of an
Speaker 3: underdog status though, and I think I'm drawn to the underdog.
Speaker 2: How do you take that? Is that a positive? A?
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 1: I think it definitely is something positive, you know, to
Speaker 1: be called to be seen as an underdog, because I
Speaker 1: think I am an underdog naturally, do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like I've gone through my struggles in life,
Speaker 1: just like a lot of people have gone through struggles,
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, being gay has a lot
Speaker 1: to do with it, because you naturally feel like an
Speaker 1: underdog when you cop it all as a kid going
Speaker 1: through bleeding, you know, years of torture only to sort
Speaker 1: of always rise above and to always succeed in the
Speaker 1: things that you put your mind to. So I think
Speaker 1: it's really important to recognize that, you know, underdogs come
Speaker 1: from from a tough place, were built from toughness from
Speaker 1: the beginning.
Speaker 3: That's a litably why I was so emotional when we
Speaker 3: saw your video about you talking about your dad and
Speaker 3: your bringing. I don't know whether or not we are
Speaker 3: living similar lives, like I mean, a lot of it
Speaker 3: was quite different, but the trigger points for me were
Speaker 3: really accurate, and I was like, I feel like I'm
Speaker 3: living my life in some way looking for some validation
Speaker 3: and redemption and I think in some ways we might
Speaker 3: share that.
Speaker 4: I think so too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, because it resonated with a lot of people.
Speaker 4: The amount of love and support and letters.
Speaker 1: Of appreciation that I got from that moment was not
Speaker 1: even tell you how overwhelming it was, Like it really
Speaker 1: just touched my heart and the sad thing is as
Speaker 1: well that not many people have the same story. They
Speaker 1: have a story where you know, they've come out to
Speaker 1: their family and they haven't been accepted, And so I
Speaker 1: had to read a lot of stories of people saying
Speaker 1: thank you for sharing that. It's given me hope that
Speaker 1: there are still fathers out there that are accepting their sons,
Speaker 1: even when my own couldn't. So I think it was
Speaker 1: a really vulnerable and emotional moment.
Speaker 4: At the time.
Speaker 1: I was kind of like mortified for it to be captured,
Speaker 1: and I kind of had this anxiety about them airing
Speaker 1: it because I'm like, it's such a huge moment for me,
Speaker 1: not only as a player but as a man, and
Speaker 1: to have that aired around the world was scary starting.
Speaker 1: But it was received so beautifully. It was one of
Speaker 1: one of the highlights of my survivor.
Speaker 3: Jenny, for sure, what you offered to us in that
Speaker 3: moment was brave. I'm going to say that to you,
Speaker 3: and I know you know that, and I guarantee you
Speaker 3: there was boys walking into their fathers and telling them
Speaker 3: that they're gay, and that is powerful. Yeah, one you
Speaker 3: might not have won Astray and Survivor, but right there
Speaker 3: this is might sound really dramatic, and the listeners for
Speaker 3: me right there, you're saving lives.
Speaker 2: That's what I think.
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: That's a lot, you know, it's a lot of emotion
Speaker 1: to process, it's a lot to hear. But I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm happy that I'm in a position to be that
Speaker 1: vessel for people and to have a story to share
Speaker 1: that's going to inspire hope for people.
Speaker 3: It's beautiful and I'm pretty sure that you just gave
Speaker 3: a lot of gay men some body oddiody goals like
Speaker 3: you turn up on that show ready to play.
Speaker 2: You are a weapon.
Speaker 4: I was not mucking around, girl, I'd tell you now.
Speaker 3: I can't tell you how many people I've spoken to
Speaker 3: you from this season who have told me this. They
Speaker 3: have all said how lovely you are as a person.
Speaker 3: Interesting to hear because I don't know if they really
Speaker 3: valued you enough on the show. I think there was
Speaker 3: a lot of times where they took your kindness and
Speaker 3: turned it into something else.
Speaker 2: What's your read on all of that.
Speaker 3: Do you think that there's been a bit of a
Speaker 3: disconnect between your kindness and the way in which you
Speaker 3: were treated.
Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: And I think it all stemmed from the narrative of
Speaker 1: the snake oil salesman. AJ was the creator of that,
Speaker 1: and to his testament, it worked because the only thing
Speaker 1: that was going to harm my game was dragging my
Speaker 1: name through the mud, which is what he did. He
Speaker 1: recognized my strengths, which is my character, which is my name,
Speaker 1: my personality, and that was the only thing that was
Speaker 1: going to disarm me, and so that's exactly what he did.
Speaker 3: I thought that makes blood salesman quote is iconic to
Speaker 3: the show, and I did enjoy it so like whilst
Speaker 3: it was detrimental to your gameplay, and well done to AJ.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's a hot mess on this show.
Speaker 1: If babes all over the place up down, sideways, somebody
Speaker 1: knows what's going on. But he's such a beautiful man
Speaker 1: outside of the game, Like he's so warm, he's so caring,
Speaker 1: he reaches out to me all the time we go
Speaker 1: for lunch, like he's just he's a beautiful man. It's
Speaker 1: just his gameplay was so chaotic that everybody was just
Speaker 1: so mad at how messy it was.
Speaker 2: And now you're both together, great glad. I'm joking. I'm
Speaker 2: drink no tea there getting a lot.
Speaker 3: Of people sliding into your dms though, because not to
Speaker 3: go back to the body ODDIODI and make me look
Speaker 3: crazy as I already sound, I'm assuming you're getting hit
Speaker 3: at the dms.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, I mean it's cute people are sliding into
Speaker 4: the dms.
Speaker 1: Not only like thirsty dms and things, but I've been
Speaker 1: getting a lot of love and support for the game.
Speaker 1: People are asking me a lot of questions about paramedicine
Speaker 1: and things like that, a lot of like up and
Speaker 1: coming paramedics, so like, tell me about your story, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, So it's been really nice. It's like consuming,
Speaker 1: it's a lot. It's hard to go through them all,
Speaker 1: but I do my best. But in regards to the
Speaker 1: body Oddie, I worked really hard because I used to
Speaker 1: be quite large when I was younger.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's the tea. So I used to be, yeah,
Speaker 4: a bigger boy.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, and I went through a bit of
Speaker 1: a breakup and then I was like, okay, well, if
Speaker 1: I'm going to deal with this awfulness that I'm feeling,
Speaker 1: I'm going to try and channel it somewhere positive. And
Speaker 1: so I threw myself into the gym. I started reading books,
Speaker 1: and then I joined day LGBT Swilm club. Like it
Speaker 1: I've incorporated into my lifestyle now. I don't do it
Speaker 1: just for aesthetics. I do it because I like it
Speaker 1: and I need it for my mental health, my well being.
Speaker 1: So it's just something that I enjoy. And you know,
Speaker 1: the Q little six pack is just a little sideburns.
Speaker 2: We want to talk about that.
Speaker 3: You kind of gave me a tease on it with
Speaker 3: the snake man salesman thing from AJ. But they put
Speaker 3: a target on your back quite a few times. Where
Speaker 3: does that come? Where's your what are you thinking? Where
Speaker 3: does that come from?
Speaker 4: It came to me. I just always saw it as
Speaker 4: a little bit of a compliment.
Speaker 1: I always saw it that they recognized me as a
Speaker 1: threat that I was, and they wanted me out sooner
Speaker 1: rather than later because down the line, I'm going to
Speaker 1: be a problem. You know, those endurance challenges I'm really
Speaker 1: good at. I'm good at all the challenges really, So
Speaker 1: if I had made it further in merge, you know what,
Speaker 1: I've started winning those necklaces because I think now that
Speaker 1: I'm gone and Karen's gone, who's the challenge beast? Kaylin's
Speaker 1: going to be unstoppable. I would have been the only
Speaker 1: one who would have given him a run for his money.
Speaker 1: So I think that them targeting me one it was
Speaker 1: a bit of complacency. I think that they I was
Speaker 1: an easy vote because I was the target for so
Speaker 1: long and nobody was willing to break out of the
Speaker 1: mold and make a change. So I think there was
Speaker 1: a bit of laziness and complacency on their part. And
Speaker 1: I also think that they really believed the narrative of
Speaker 1: me being the stakeholders as man everything I said was
Speaker 1: a lie, when in fact it wasn't. I always did
Speaker 1: what I said I was going to do, even when
Speaker 1: I voted out Noonan. I never said to her I'm
Speaker 1: not writing down your name. Always did what I said
Speaker 1: I was going to do, but nobody believed it.
Speaker 3: You know, Killen for me is a really interesting character
Speaker 3: because do you I can't work it out. He's like
Speaker 3: a Golden Retriever, right, Yeah, now that he's still in
Speaker 3: the game at this point, do you think he played
Speaker 3: the Golden Retriever up until now? Because it was only
Speaker 3: in last night's episode that I started looking at him like,
Speaker 3: you kind of look like the Golden God. Right now, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you look at a bit, David. I didn't notice this,
Speaker 3: but it's coming behind me. And then I question whether
Speaker 3: or not this has been a part of his gameplay
Speaker 3: all along, or it's just because of his golden retriever
Speaker 3: nature that he's still there.
Speaker 1: I think she creates this narrative along the way, because
Speaker 1: when you go out into Survivor, you always go, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is how I'm going to play. This is what
Speaker 1: I'm going to change about myself. I'm going to say
Speaker 1: these things. I'm going to do this, which is not
Speaker 1: who I am, but it's how I'm going to play.
Speaker 1: That lasts for like three days, and then once you
Speaker 1: get tired, once you get hungry, and you get lethargic,
Speaker 1: and you you know you're getting hypertension because you've got
Speaker 1: no food in your system, your authentic self shines through.
Speaker 1: So what you're seeing at this point in the game
Speaker 1: is this genuine And so I think what we've seen
Speaker 1: of Kaitlin from the start, this puppy dog energy, is
Speaker 1: actually legit. And I think he sort of cracked on
Speaker 1: maybe around Merge He's like, Okay, I need to start
Speaker 1: coming up with a strategy here. I need to think,
Speaker 1: how can I sort of spin this my way? And
Speaker 1: so I think that this strategic play was created along
Speaker 1: the journey.
Speaker 2: Did I call him killan before? What did I call him?
Speaker 4: I called it something. I knew what you meant. I
Speaker 4: was just pining for him the whole time.
Speaker 1: I was just looking at him across the mat and
Speaker 1: doing the challenges, and I was just in all.
Speaker 4: I was just like hikaylen Hi. But I don't know
Speaker 4: if it made the cut.
Speaker 1: They were trying to spare whatever dignity they could have mine,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: We have to unpack. Miles, what is your rationale for
Speaker 3: how this man has survived beyond apparently being the luckiest
Speaker 3: man alive finding all these Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think Miles is playing a really good game, and
Speaker 1: Miles is a really charismatic, personable guy. So I think
Speaker 1: him being the original target was purely based around his
Speaker 1: size and him maybe being a little bit too straty,
Speaker 1: chatty and a bit too like irritating sometimes. So I
Speaker 1: think that that was his initial sort of target being
Speaker 1: placed on him. But as the game sort of developed
Speaker 1: and he started surviving, I think people were starting to
Speaker 1: respect him more as a player. So yeah, we'll put
Speaker 1: Miles down as a target, but he kept getting out
Speaker 1: of it. He kept surviving. And what's the title of
Speaker 1: the show, survivor? So how can you not rally behind
Speaker 1: someone who is the target for a majority of the
Speaker 1: season and he just keeps making it through tribal counsel
Speaker 1: after tribal council.
Speaker 4: And he even saved me along the way. You know,
Speaker 4: how beautiful is that?
Speaker 3: But then did you feel sort of is it vindicated?
Speaker 3: This This is where I try to use words to
Speaker 3: sound smarter than I am. But when he saved you,
Speaker 3: and then in his piece to camera the next episode
Speaker 3: where he said, yeah, I've saved him, but I am
Speaker 3: really going to keep him around.
Speaker 2: For very long.
Speaker 1: Literally every night after that, saved every night after nine
Speaker 1: votes with my name coming out of that earn was
Speaker 1: a gift as far as I will say, And that
Speaker 1: man can say whatever he wants about me. He gave
Speaker 1: me an extra what four or five days in the game,
Speaker 1: which I wouldn't have had I wouldn't have been on
Speaker 1: the jury had it not written for Miles.
Speaker 2: Actually, that is worth celebrating.
Speaker 1: So he can say whatever he likes and at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, he's a strategy player. I worked
Speaker 1: for him at that time, and then if push came
Speaker 1: to shove and he had to vote me out because
Speaker 1: it was better for his game, my hat's off to
Speaker 1: him for sure.
Speaker 4: It's you can't get angry at the players. You can
Speaker 4: only get angry at the game.
Speaker 3: This is why you're picked for the show, because you're
Speaker 3: so good at these lives, turning a phrase on saying
Speaker 3: things about very clever. Can we talk about your bitchy
Speaker 3: faces on the tribal council?
Speaker 1: You know what, There's many layers to my personality and
Speaker 1: if I were to be a little bit salty, then
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a little bit salty, and those well,
Speaker 1: can I say, bitches, Yeah, go for it.
Speaker 4: Bitches voted me out again?
Speaker 2: Were you a bit emotional?
Speaker 3: Like I was looking at you wondering whether or not
Speaker 3: you look like you were going to cry in some
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 1: I shed a tear during Noonan's voter because I knew
Speaker 1: what was coming. So that was a really hard one.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to write hand Dame down. I had
Speaker 1: to write hand Dad down, so that was tough. There's
Speaker 1: always a massive element of anxiety, so you're always literally
Speaker 1: on edge at tribal council because you just don't know
Speaker 1: what's going to happen, and especially towards the end, I
Speaker 1: sort of got used to that anxiety, so I was
Speaker 1: always just trying to calm my nerves. So I was
Speaker 1: never on the verge of tears at tribal council by
Speaker 1: the noon in one, but I was always very anxious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I think it's a really interesting set of
Speaker 3: clothes that you're about to show us. How do you
Speaker 3: go about picking all of those outfits? And did you
Speaker 3: get at your best one first, like the the no shirt,
Speaker 3: the suit jacket and the African queen necklace.
Speaker 4: It's like, I know, right, you look.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to have a nice blend of outfits
Speaker 1: that expressed who.
Speaker 4: I am as a person.
Speaker 1: So you know, when I was selecting my Dorey outfits,
Speaker 1: I was praying that I didn't have to use them,
Speaker 1: but obviously I did, and so I just wanted to
Speaker 1: honestly represent how I dress in my everyday life when
Speaker 1: I go out or when I just go for coffee,
Speaker 1: you know, So I yeah, I made sure that the
Speaker 1: fits were cute, but unfortunately for me, there were a
Speaker 1: couple of outfits that wouldn't work on camera, so yeah,
Speaker 1: they stroved with the camera lighting.
Speaker 4: So I was wearing these like beautiful.
Speaker 1: Sheer see through like long sleeve numbers that hold this
Speaker 1: like Allett paint design on them and stuff like gorgeous
Speaker 1: from Amsterdam, but they got canceled because of there they
Speaker 1: stroved on camera, so I had to sort of reassess.
Speaker 1: I had to figure out two more outfits for the
Speaker 1: tribal councils. And who who's closet was I going to
Speaker 1: aid Laura's at this point, So I had to rumish
Speaker 1: through Laura's.
Speaker 4: Closet to find an outfit, and you know what, I
Speaker 4: made it work.
Speaker 3: Just before we wrap up, because I could literally talk
Speaker 3: to you all day, I wanted to quickly unpack the
Speaker 3: Zara and Logan personality types. What's your read on these
Speaker 3: two women and do you think that things aren't looking
Speaker 3: great for them at the moment.
Speaker 1: I was obviously a lot closer to Logan than I
Speaker 1: was Tazara. Meansara actually really didn't have much to do
Speaker 1: with each other. She was in one very separate alliance.
Speaker 1: We never came together until she came over to the
Speaker 1: Braun tribe, but that was really close to merge, and
Speaker 1: when she did come over, I was the target and
Speaker 1: she was talking to all of her friends and stuff.
Speaker 1: So I can't really speak too much on Zara's gameplayer
Speaker 1: other than what I've seen on TV as well, But
Speaker 1: I think they are playing for themselves like everybody else's
Speaker 1: and I think sometimes you can just get a little
Speaker 1: bit too dependent on your buddy.
Speaker 4: I think that that's where they went wrong.
Speaker 1: They were playing for themselves obviously number one to win,
Speaker 1: but I think there was a transition where they started
Speaker 1: to really see themselves as a unit in the buddy
Speaker 1: system and they forgot about themselves as the number one,
Speaker 1: and I think that that was a bit detrimental to
Speaker 1: the gameplay.
Speaker 3: Logan to me, is a very emotional survivor player. You know,
Speaker 3: she either likes people or she hates them, and to me,
Speaker 3: that's my read on it. She might be really different,
Speaker 3: and hopefully I've got a chance to talk to her
Speaker 3: about that, but I did think that she is. When
Speaker 3: you're an emotional player in a game like this, it
Speaker 3: can be quite dangerous.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I was an emotional player in the game.
Speaker 4: I was by the end of it.
Speaker 1: I was really playing in from the emotions because that's
Speaker 1: all I had left. I had had no alliances, I
Speaker 1: had no community necklace. So you're naturally responding from an
Speaker 1: emotional place, especially because you were so fatigued just so
Speaker 1: man marriage. So it's really really hard. But Logan's a
Speaker 1: wonderful person, like she is an amazing girl, and sometimes
Speaker 1: emotions get the better of her when she has her
Speaker 1: outbursts and things like that. But after the ordeal that
Speaker 1: we've gone through, like going through to tribal council is
Speaker 1: a massive day. You do the challenge, then you go
Speaker 1: to tribal council like it's huge, So it's only natural
Speaker 1: that you know, you respond with how you're feeling.
Speaker 4: It's really hard to censor yourself when you're so weak.
Speaker 3: Well speaking about being weak at the knees. So JLP
Speaker 3: is he intimidating in those tribal councils, Like, I mean,
Speaker 3: this guy's no man.
Speaker 4: Total swurm.
Speaker 3: He does a really great job of being able to
Speaker 3: ask those questions. When you're in the moment of that,
Speaker 3: are you all sort of chomping at the bit for
Speaker 3: him to ask you a question? Because I mean, obviously
Speaker 3: this is made for TV, so it probably plays out
Speaker 3: over a longer period of time. Is there a competitive
Speaker 3: nature in the way on which everyone sits there on
Speaker 3: those tribal councils wanting some JAILP time.
Speaker 1: I didn't think anybody goes out of their way to
Speaker 1: get attention from JAILP because I think he automatically evens
Speaker 1: it out between everybody during the filming of the Tribal Councils, like,
Speaker 1: it takes a lot longer than what you see on TV,
Speaker 1: So there are a lot more questions asked to a
Speaker 1: lot more people, so you don't really feel isolated by anyone.
Speaker 1: He just sort of asks everyone a certain amount of
Speaker 1: questions and they're sort of tailored to the way the
Speaker 1: conversations that were had during the scramble. So if you're
Speaker 1: actively involved in the scramble, then you can expect you're
Speaker 1: going to get questions if you.
Speaker 3: Could return three people from your season to come back,
Speaker 3: and of course you'd want to say yourself, So we'll try,
Speaker 3: and I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, of course I would.
Speaker 2: I can see a love your face.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so three people I would want to take
Speaker 1: with me Noonan for sure, Number one.
Speaker 4: I would probably take Laura as well, and I.
Speaker 1: Would probably take aj Oh wow, yeah, I would because
Speaker 1: I me and him were really really close. So that's
Speaker 1: one thing that you know, obviously they can't show in
Speaker 1: the edit, but our relationship, we spent a.
Speaker 4: Lot of time together.
Speaker 1: You know, we were on that on Brawn two point
Speaker 1: ero together and we have a lot of similarities. You know,
Speaker 1: he's Lebanese, I'm Lebanese, you know, so we've got like
Speaker 1: these big family stories to tell.
Speaker 4: You know, we had a lot in common.
Speaker 1: So we really did spend a lot of time getting
Speaker 1: to know one another.
Speaker 4: And he's an amazing person. He's a great friend.
Speaker 1: So i'd probably take him back with me, and this
Speaker 1: time he'd be on my side.
Speaker 3: Do you think, though, that that is what you're saying now,
Speaker 3: because there's been a lot of time since the show
Speaker 3: have you talk, so you're talking about that in real
Speaker 3: time of being in Samoa.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when we were on the beaches, we spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time together talking about our lives and becoming friends.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know, there's something about him that
Speaker 3: I'm just like, Oh, I just don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And this is what I've been saying to everybody,
Speaker 1: because everybody's coming up to me and they were like, oh,
Speaker 1: AJ's a demon, and I'm.
Speaker 4: Like, he's not.
Speaker 1: He's absolutely not like that at all. He's very strategic
Speaker 1: and it's a bit messy, but there is a whole
Speaker 1: other side to Aj that we all know because we
Speaker 1: spent so much time with him, and he's beautiful.
Speaker 4: It's great.
Speaker 2: Didn't you love them all?
Speaker 3: Talking about the shields as well, Morgan's like, yeah, Morgan,
Speaker 3: you're a shield.
Speaker 2: What the hell are you talking about?
Speaker 4: Absolutely well, that tribal Council.
Speaker 1: To watch that was glorious to watch Kas go down
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 4: The salty player in me was over the moon. Obviously.
Speaker 1: I felt for her dramatically because I know what it
Speaker 1: feels like multiple times.
Speaker 4: But you know, I took my hat out to go
Speaker 4: down like that, huge.
Speaker 3: Huge, massive, Like, yeah, I've watched it twice already, So
Speaker 3: that trouble is definitely one of my favorites.
Speaker 4: I'm proud of her for doing that.
Speaker 1: Like I empathize with her decision making as well, because
Speaker 1: you're not making the best decisions when you're out there.
Speaker 1: It's been thirty six days, thirty seven days for her,
Speaker 1: no food, like just this much rice and beans like
Speaker 1: it's nothing.
Speaker 4: It's so hard.
Speaker 1: So if she wanted to, you know, make a grand move,
Speaker 1: she thought it would work, but it didn't unfortunately, and
Speaker 1: she goes. But she made a decision and she stuck
Speaker 1: to it, and she paid the price ultimately.
Speaker 4: But I don't think she deserves any hate for it.
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't think she's going to get any hate
Speaker 3: for it a bit. People will support people who blow
Speaker 3: up their game as long as it's vision, as long.
Speaker 4: As and everybody thought I got cooked.
Speaker 2: Oh hell no. As it was happening, I was like,
Speaker 2: what damn woman, what's going on? I know, shocking, so.
Speaker 3: Bad for some of the other people that you know
Speaker 3: with collateral damage in that I didn't ask this question before,
Speaker 3: and I am sort of stepping back to ask this.
Speaker 3: But the twist that happened on Sunday night, to me
Speaker 3: and to a lot of people watching the show was
Speaker 3: a little bit too confusing and maybe felt a little
Speaker 3: bit contrived. Did you all understand that TWISZT because it
Speaker 3: did take me time to proas it and now maybe
Speaker 3: that says something about my personality, But was it confusing
Speaker 3: in real time?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: Because JLP explained it quite well.
Speaker 1: I think we asked questions along the way and they
Speaker 1: just popped and tailed with the edit. But it was
Speaker 1: very clear that there was going to be two separate tribes,
Speaker 1: and it was just like do you like day one
Speaker 1: of the game, but just with two smaller tribes. So
Speaker 1: we knew that we were going to have to fire
Speaker 1: through a tribe immunity. We knew the Baron tribe were
Speaker 1: obviously not going to get anything good and that the
Speaker 1: Bounty tribe were going to get everything great.
Speaker 4: So it was clear to us at the time.
Speaker 2: Okay, I wish that you would have explained it to me.
Speaker 2: I'll get you on speed Dom. Yeah, before you go.
Speaker 3: Every person who joins the podcast asked on this question,
Speaker 3: what is something from behind the scenes, something that's sort
Speaker 3: of like a behind the scenes secret that we may
Speaker 3: not have seen on the show. With this series, we
Speaker 3: have to be careful not to break any nbas. But
Speaker 3: I just was curious about anything that didn't make it
Speaker 3: to the edit that you thought was like a fun
Speaker 3: paulling moment. Is there something we didn't see that you
Speaker 3: expected us to see.
Speaker 4: Umm, I think all of the good stuff was there.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of the bad stuff that they
Speaker 1: edited out, like I cried a lot a lot during filming.
Speaker 4: I remember I was having a moment where I.
Speaker 1: Was like bathing in the ocean and it was like
Speaker 1: I was by myself because you're constantly surrounded by people.
Speaker 1: So I needed to just take five minutes for myself.
Speaker 1: Went out into the ocean, had this amazing moment where
Speaker 1: I put my hand under the water and washing my
Speaker 1: hair and I could just hear the sound of the
Speaker 1: water right and I remember thinking, oh, it's like I'm
Speaker 1: back at the pool and I'm swimming again.
Speaker 4: And then I came up out of the water.
Speaker 1: And for some reason, I just started hysterically crying.
Speaker 4: And then everyone comes rushing over. They're like, what's wrong.
Speaker 4: What's wrong? They're like, did you get bit by something?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't, just crying and everyone's hugging me.
Speaker 4: It was just wild. It's wild. So I'm glad that
Speaker 4: they didn't put that in there, but it happens.
Speaker 3: I look like my big brother, which is a long
Speaker 3: time ago. It was really interesting because when I won
Speaker 3: and I came out and I was like, what did
Speaker 3: they think about me crying all the time? My mom
Speaker 3: is like they never showed it, and I was like what,
Speaker 3: I literally spent the entire season crying and they.
Speaker 2: Never played it, which is real.
Speaker 3: It kind of made me look more like a bitch
Speaker 3: because it made me look like I wasn't sympathetic to people.
Speaker 4: By Now you were phenomenal on Big Brother. It's all
Speaker 4: coming back to me now, Yeah, I remember it was
Speaker 4: so good.
Speaker 3: I cried pretty much everything. I got into the diary
Speaker 3: room and pressed the buzzer. Anyway, you don't want to
Speaker 3: hear this, Oh tell me, Pallie. I am in your audience.
Speaker 3: I am obsessed with you. I thought you were so
Speaker 3: such a great contribution to this cart.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: That's what we want, isn't it Like, if you want
Speaker 3: to go and do one of these shows, you want
Speaker 3: to sort of penetrate the audience.
Speaker 4: And I wanted to be.
Speaker 1: I was really proud to be a gay man on
Speaker 1: the Born tribe. I was happy to be someone representing
Speaker 1: the lgbt QI plus community who can fitting with the boys,
Speaker 1: who could hold their own in a group of like
Speaker 1: brawn men, and to be the last brawn male standing.
Speaker 4: As well phenomenal.
Speaker 1: So I was really happy to to represent my community on.
Speaker 3: Survivor represent represent I love it, enjoy chatting to everyone.
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's looking forward to unpacking this series with
Speaker 3: you and I'll keep stay tuned to see whether you
Speaker 3: turn up with noon In and AJ.
Speaker 1: You never know, trad Survivor Gods gods are always looking
Speaker 1: always
Speaker 3: Thanks so much, watch out to you, so let's love
Speaker 3: bye bye