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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, welcome.

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Speaker 2: I'm your gorgeous host, Art Simone, and I'm so glad

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Speaker 2: that you're here with me. I know what you're thinking,

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Speaker 2: I'm too plain, too boring to me, and you're stunning

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Speaker 2: at sparkling presence. Well that is true, but never fear.

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Speaker 1: Our guest is exactly.

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Speaker 2: The same as you, and I am again extracting the

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Speaker 2: most interesting and sometimes.

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Speaker 1: Salacious parts out of people. So how are you ready?

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Speaker 1: This is concealed with me, Art Simone, roll the time.

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Speaker 3: My name's Rosie. I'm thirty nine years old and I'm

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Speaker 3: a voice, actor and musician beast out of Los Angeles.

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Speaker 3: For fun, I like to make my friends laugh, tak

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Speaker 3: nap with my cat, I let canceled plans and going

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Speaker 3: to live music shows.

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Speaker 1: All right, hello, Rosie, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm great? How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well.

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Speaker 2: I'm feeling so international today because I'm in Austrolla, but

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Speaker 2: you're all the way in California.

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Speaker 3: I'm a lost Angeles.

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Speaker 2: What Oh my god, La baby, what's one fabulous thing

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Speaker 2: that's happening in La at the moment?

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Speaker 3: Is there anything I enjoyed today by going to the

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Speaker 3: pool and hanging out with some friends. Yeah, it's been

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Speaker 3: really hot. So luckily my apartment complex has an amazing

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Speaker 3: pool that never gets to crowded.

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Speaker 1: So stop it. Don't tell anyone about it.

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Speaker 2: Is that a secret you have to hide from your

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Speaker 2: friends that they don't know that you have a pool?

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Speaker 3: Yes, because there's like you know, there's fake people all over,

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Speaker 3: but the fake people who use me for your pool

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Speaker 3: are a whole another level.

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Speaker 1: It's just la baby. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So you said you're a voice actor and a musician.

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Speaker 2: That's already exciting things to talk about. So now I'm

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Speaker 2: really confused as to what you could be concealing from

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Speaker 2: me today, because off the bat, they're really really fun

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Speaker 2: things and I could talk to you about them forever. Voice acting,

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, like for like cartoons or for like Siri,

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Speaker 2: or I don't know what, what do you?

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Speaker 1: What do you? Voice act?

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Speaker 3: I do all different kinds. I've done smart assistant kind

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Speaker 3: of impressions. So I've done like a Siri voice when

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Speaker 3: I talk like this, and a lot of movies and

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Speaker 3: television shows pay me to sound like Siri so that

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Speaker 3: they don't get sued. And then I recently got hired

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Speaker 3: to do a voice match for the TikTok voiceover, the

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Speaker 3: girl who talks like this. I just did a commercial

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Speaker 3: where they're like, we don't want to get sued, but

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Speaker 3: we need it to sound just like that's TikTok girl.

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Speaker 3: So I do that, and then cartoons as well. I

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Speaker 3: just got a role on Baby Shark, which was so oh.

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Speaker 2: Okamn, oh my, that's the episode done. Because you've already

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Speaker 2: just listed three really.

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Speaker 1: Fun and exciting things.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I don't need to go into any more,

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Speaker 2: but I will die because it is my job and

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Speaker 2: my duty to work out what it is you're concealing

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Speaker 2: from us here today. But I will say I like

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Speaker 2: that you mentioned a cat, because I am a cat person.

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Speaker 3: So how many guests do you have?

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Speaker 1: I have two. Wish I had fifty, but I've only got.

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Speaker 3: Two, which here's a good start. You got to start selling.

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Speaker 2: I know, I know it's fine, but I'm always looking

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Speaker 2: at an excuse to get another one. But yeah, I've

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Speaker 2: got two little fluffballs that drive me insane and I

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Speaker 2: love them dearly, but I got to drive them insane

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Speaker 2: today because I had to get up earlier than normal

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Speaker 2: and they were not happy.

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Speaker 3: They were they were like that's my job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they were not having it all, and I was like, no,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to rev you up.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to I'm going to mess you up.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to play some games right now because we

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Speaker 2: have to be on the same sleeping pattern right now.

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Speaker 2: You like canceled plans, so you're we are kindred spirits,

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Speaker 2: cats and canceled plans. Oh yeah, that sounds like a

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Speaker 2: great one woman show.

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Speaker 3: Actually, Cat, Yeah, I'm cancer a whole new podcast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, well just you heard it here first, guys,

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Speaker 2: don't copy our idea.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to ask you three questions, and from

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Speaker 2: us here today.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you're ready.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So the first question I have for you is,

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Speaker 3: I My cat just meled, which was the funniest timing.

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Speaker 3: It's not meal.

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Speaker 3: I would say irma Irma.

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Speaker 1: Okay, irma herma.

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Speaker 2: Okay, No, that's okay, I know an irma irma gird

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Speaker 2: she's she's fun. Irma, Okay, that's the only other erma

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Speaker 2: I know. I'll marinate on that. Question number two, what

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Speaker 2: is something that you do that scares you?

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Speaker 3: I would say getting on the internet or also live streams.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't really scare me, but it's definitely an on

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Speaker 2: Internet and live streams.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, okay.

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Speaker 2: Question number three, if you you know I had to

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Speaker 2: say goodbye to your kitty cat and you could choose

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Speaker 2: an exotic pet to have. Right now, what pet would

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Speaker 3: An exotic pet? Yes? I would say.

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Speaker 1: A catfish, A catfish?

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Speaker 3: Okay, whiskers say by my cat?

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Emma, Emma internet live catfish? Okay, So

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Speaker 2: catfish clearly puts us in a direction. I'm picking up something?

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Speaker 2: But am I picking up the correct thing?

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Speaker 2: Irma, but I's really thrown me, I guess Ierma is

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Speaker 2: a name that you could you could give you any

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Speaker 2: catfish would do. But then where's the live bit come

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Speaker 2: into it? Hmm live live I am a live catfish?

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Speaker 1: Where does that work? Doesn't really make any sense though,

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Speaker 2: Okay? O, what could you do that's live, and that

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Speaker 2: is catfishing. You could be on the internet and be like, Hi,

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Speaker 2: I'm Irma, and I like to pretend to be Irma.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's what I do. Oh okay, are you?

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Speaker 2: I mean, are you a catfish? Let's just go with that.

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Speaker 2: Are you a catfish? Are you coming out here to

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Speaker 1: Is this even real?

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Speaker 3: I am a scam beater, which means I print call

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Speaker 3: scammers to waste their time, and I use many different

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, all right, I did not know that had

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Speaker 1: It's crazy scam beita.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. So you could be Ima if you

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Speaker 2: wanted to be, couldn't you.

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Speaker 3: Yes? So one of my characters, since I'm a voice actor,

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Speaker 3: I do lots of different impressions and characters, and one

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Speaker 3: of them is an old lady last name gersh Irma. Yes,

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Speaker 3: so I call scammers to waste their time. I keep

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Speaker 3: them on the line as long as possible. The old

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Speaker 4: Because she rambles and loses her train of thought and

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Speaker 3: And I just love to trick the scammers into saying

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Speaker 3: funny things. So I always say, like, last name Gersh,

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Speaker 3: first name Irma, and these grimy scammers are going Irma

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Speaker 3: Gersh and it makes me so hard. And I often

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Speaker 3: suggestions from the audience and the chat and stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: So that's how I spent most of my days.

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Speaker 2: The dots are connecting now, so essentially you're kind of

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Speaker 2: So I think I think we are on a similar wavelength.

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Speaker 2: I love this. I love wasting people's time. That's so

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Speaker 2: much fun. It's very rewarding only if they deserve it.

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Speaker 3: They do, they all do.

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Speaker 1: Where did this all start? Did you just have an

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Speaker 2: Or did someone give you a phone call that was

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Speaker 3: I got into scam beating because number one, I've always

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Speaker 3: been a prankster. I've always loved, you know, prank calls

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Speaker 3: that don't ruin someone's day. Innocent pranks, you know. And

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Speaker 3: then a few years ago, my mom fell victim to

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Speaker 3: they were like, oh, you've got a virus, can remove

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Speaker 3: And she was like, you know what for a lifetime thing,

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Speaker 3: I told you don't click on anything. Don't call these numbers.

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Speaker 3: I've told her before, but you know, she's distracted. She

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Speaker 3: But I told her to give me that phone number

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Speaker 3: I went on Facebook Live and called this scammer and

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Speaker 3: just like, oh my god, I know know what's happening.

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Speaker 3: I asked him out to drinks. We were flirting, and

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Speaker 3: watching a lot around that time, was like one hundred

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Speaker 3: requests of Hey, can you call this number? This person

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Speaker 3: try to scam me for this job listing, or this

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Speaker 3: person try to scam my grandma. And I just got

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Speaker 3: like an influx of all these requests and I just

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Speaker 3: put together a few YouTube videos of me pranking them,

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Speaker 3: and my channel just blew up because everyone either has

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Speaker 3: been scammed or knows someone who has, and you can't

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Speaker 2: So my experience always been people calling me, right, but

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Speaker 3: There are so many different types of scam. Some of

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Speaker 2: It's like you said, I had no idea. There was

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Speaker 2: I believe how Britney Speeds plays all in one of

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Speaker 2: Now you were saying some of these operations are quite large.

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Speaker 2: Is there anything scary that's happened while you've been on

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Speaker 3: Nothing, nothing scary has happened to me with the scammers. Really,

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Speaker 3: Thankfully it didn't. It shook me up enough to not

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Speaker 2: How long have you been able to drag something out

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Speaker 3: The longest call I've had was in a live stream,

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Speaker 2: What are you put the phone out? I'm just gonna

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Speaker 2: Like how do you string them along?

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Speaker 3: Jake? I take a lot of breaks because I'm pretending

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Speaker 3: and then it doesn't end there, Like I've kept them

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Speaker 2: So you have some regulars that you just keep calling

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Speaker 2: we're gon we're gonna continue this storyline today? Do you

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Speaker 3: All?

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Speaker 2: With this caller, I'm ierma Ir mcgersh and she's currently

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot like how do you keep.

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Speaker 3: J just us breadshakes crazy? I do? I save them

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Speaker 2: You're mentioning these things that they're asking for. What is

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Speaker 2: Them, and I just realize, you'd be really good, you

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Speaker 2: You'd be so good at that. You'd be so good,

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Speaker 2: you'd be like three hours later, they would have already

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Speaker 1: You're like, yes anyway.

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Speaker 2: And you'd be.

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Speaker 2: Do you have a particular phone call or scam betas

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Speaker 3: and then the gift card doesn't come. So I was

439
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 3: prank calling one of those people, and I prank called

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00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 3: them and convinced the guy on the phone that I

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00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,359
Speaker 3: was Britney Spears and that he was on a prank

442
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 3: show and he believed me, and he was like, well,

443
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 3: prove it, saying like I don't believe you, and that

444
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Speaker 3: I did because I can do like an okay Brittany

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00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,400
Speaker 3: and pressure like the oh babe, babe, and I did

446
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 3: the whole song and he was like, oh my god,

447
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 3: because he was like yeah, right, and I did it.

448
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 3: And then I was like, by the way, like I'm

449
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 3: going to transfer you to so and so on this

450
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 3: MTV show to get clearance of the rights for this recording,

451
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 3: like I did this whole fake thing, and he was

452
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 3: so excited. And that was one of the first videos

453
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 3: that blew up, just because it was such a wild ride.

454
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Speaker 3: That one sticks out to me the most. And then

455
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Speaker 3: uh another one where I was an old lady and

456
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 3: then my Siri, I was like trying to get my

457
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 3: smartphone to like send money, and then Siri was like warning,

458
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Speaker 3: this is a scam, and then I started arguing with Siri,

459
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 3: and Siri started arguing with me and then arguing with

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Speaker 3: the scam and it was like this weird shrifecta of

461
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 3: nothing real. But they believed they were like turn off

462
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 3: your Siri, turn her off, like, don't listen to her,

463
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 3: She's just a robot.

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00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: That is heaven. I love that.

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Speaker 2: What is the endpoint in one of these scam calls?

466
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 2: Like what is there? Do you like to do a

467
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,640
Speaker 2: gotcha moment? Or do you just keep going until they

468
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 2: give up on you?

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Speaker 3: It depends on the type of scam. For the tech

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00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 3: support scams, people pretending to be geek Squad, which is

471
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 3: like a tech support thing for Best Buy in America,

472
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 3: or people pretending to be Microsoft, or they pretend to

473
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 3: be Amazon or all these things. For those, I just

474
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 3: like to waste their time. And since there's so many

475
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 3: of us, we're all in a discord, we all share

476
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 3: the numbers, and then we all just like infiltrate their

477
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 3: call center enough for them to change their number because

478
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 3: they're get harassed. So any email they sent out, I'm

479
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 3: sure you've gotten emails before of like, oh it's PayPal,

480
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 3: we got this invoice. You're like, I never yeah, pay

481
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 3: that And there's a number on it to call for support,

482
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,959
Speaker 3: and that's actually the scam center. So we like to

483
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 3: collectively call them as much as possible. Either just one

484
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 3: of us over and over or all of us over

485
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,479
Speaker 3: and over, and then they'll change their number and the

486
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 3: entire you know, slew of emails they sent out are

487
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,120
Speaker 3: now invalid and won't work because they'll change their number

488
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 3: because they're so thick of us.

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Speaker 2: I want you to give me a few pointers, because

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Speaker 2: let's imagine I suddenly get the bulls and I want

491
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Speaker 2: to be a scam beta. What's the best way to

492
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 2: go on? I want a couple of pointers on how

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Speaker 2: to do it successfully and continue a conversation till my

494
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 2: eyes fall out.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So, if you're interested in scam baiting, I don't

496
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 3: recommend it. It can get dangerous if you're not careful

497
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 3: about stuff. Like if you if you answer a call

498
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 3: on your phone, you're like, I just want to be funny. Well,

499
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 3: now they know on your personal number that you answer,

500
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 3: so they sell your number to a lot of different companies.

501
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 3: Oh this is a real person they do answer. So

502
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 3: now you're setting yourself up for continuous harass.

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Speaker 2: Step number one, go to the payphone and bring a

504
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 2: lot of yes, a lot of coins because you're going

505
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 2: to be there a while.

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00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 1: Okay.

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00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 2: Step one pep phone. All right, all right, Well, let's

508
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 2: do a role play. Okay, can you pretend to be

509
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 2: a scammer? And I'm going to do my best and

510
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 2: I'm going to make a character right now? Who am

511
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 2: I going to be? I've got it in my head?

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00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 3: All right? Okay, Hi, miss, we're just calling because you

513
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,719
Speaker 3: have a missed payment on your subscription for Amazon.

514
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 5: I know what happened to Mihama is on a subscription. No,

515
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 5: I really wanted to get my package from Jeff Bezos.

516
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 5: What am I gonna do?

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00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 1: How do I fix this? Can you tell me how

518
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: to fix it?

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00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 3: Please? Well, your account's going to be suspended and also

520
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 3: your personal information has been compromised. Is on our end?

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00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: So tragic. How much money do I send?

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00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 3: Well, you do owe about one hundred and forty nine dollars.

523
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 3: But can you go ahead and confirm your last name

524
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 3: really quick?

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00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: Yes, we make sure it's the right Gerbert. It's Gerbert.

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00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 5: And don't worry because I just went to the bank

527
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 5: and I've actually got one million dollars there, so that's

528
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 5: no worries.

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00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 1: I can go do that right now. Is the cheesecake factory?

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00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: How'd I go? Did I do?

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Speaker 3: All?

532
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: Right?

533
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 3: Cheese kick factory wins for me if I mentioned that.

534
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 1: I think that's a past for today. I think that's

535
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: a past.

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Speaker 3: That's pretty good.

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00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 2: Oh that was Rosy, the most unconventional catfish scamming scammers.

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00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: She's truly making this field a better place. So am

539
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: I I'm just existing.

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00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 2: I want to check out what a real life catfish

541
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 2: looks like. Then check us out on the socials. It's

542
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 2: not a scam, I promise.

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Speaker 4: What is it?

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00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 3: But yes,