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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda in the morning. Remember I did that

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Speaker 1: ad with Rebel Wilson. Yeah, and we're in a car together.

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Speaker 1: So I was playing her bodyguard and I'm driving her

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Speaker 1: car and we're just sort of you know, it takes

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Speaker 1: ages to film anything. So I said to her, I said, oh,

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Speaker 1: I say, you were on Ellen recently. What was that like?

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Speaker 1: And she said, oh, man, let me tell you. And

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, they said, oh, we're ready

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Speaker 1: to go, and oh, you didn't get the news. She said,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you later. And I never got the news,

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Speaker 1: and I wanted to get the goss because I'm such

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Speaker 1: an Ellen Degeneros fan. I followed her career from when

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Speaker 1: she first appeared on Late nine TV as a stand

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Speaker 1: up comedian, and then when she had her own TV chop,

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Speaker 1: which I thought was funny. They said, come near the

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Speaker 1: Ellen chair then and this I watch it every morning

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Speaker 1: when I come into the radio station, I sit there

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Speaker 1: and she's on the Telly. I just enjoy her.

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Speaker 2: Well, then, let me ask you this question. Does it

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Speaker 2: matter to you that people are saying there's two prongs here.

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Speaker 2: I think people are saying she's not as friendly in

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Speaker 2: real life as she is on Telly. They're also saying

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Speaker 2: that the workplace is toxic. We'll get to the workplace

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Speaker 2: a bit second. But does it matter to you that

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Speaker 2: if you bumped into Ellen in the street, she wouldn't

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Speaker 2: be what you wanted her to be. That's what this

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Speaker 2: is about. I think that's what it is.

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Speaker 1: People want it to be.

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Speaker 2: Say I want Ellen to be the Ellen she pretends

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Speaker 2: to be on telling She's not going to be that.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing, and we learned that a lot when

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Speaker 1: we interview someone famous, you know, name someone who's famous.

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Speaker 2: Harrison Ford, worst interview we've done ever, prickly character brought

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Speaker 2: in a book as if we were going to boil

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Speaker 2: the pants off him.

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Speaker 1: But he warmed to us in the end. But they

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Speaker 1: don't they I thought he did maybe warm to me.

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Speaker 1: But my point is they don't know you. You know them,

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Speaker 1: they don't know you. So we kind of get used

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Speaker 1: to that when we interview famous people like Will Ferrell.

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Speaker 1: When we talk to him, you want him to be

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Speaker 1: your friend. He kind of knows this now and not

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Speaker 1: knows this, like we're having a barbecue with him, but

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Speaker 1: he go, are you guys?

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Speaker 2: I know you go, but still you dream that you'll

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Speaker 2: end up as buddies.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't happen, and they can be just disinterested. I

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Speaker 1: think that's what happens with Ellen. I've just been reading

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Speaker 1: stories about Ellen. You know. She might be walking down

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Speaker 1: the street and someone will say, oh, Ellen, can I

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Speaker 1: get her selfish? She goes, yeah, sure, and they'll say

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Speaker 1: you're not dancing. She says, well, no, I don't. I

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Speaker 1: don't just dance walking down the street. You know, she

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Speaker 1: starts a show with she does that dance with everyone

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Speaker 1: that's a rod to her back.

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Speaker 2: She must think I'm sixty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to do that all the time. And

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Speaker 1: it's like, you know, sometimes to a lesser extent. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: when I'm out and someone will come up to me,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'll dance and I say, where's your motorbike?

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Speaker 1: And I'm it's not.

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Speaker 2: She's got a name.

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Speaker 1: They'll go, where's Manda, And I said, well, she'd probably

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Speaker 2: So are you equating your experience to Ellen?

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Speaker 1: She's like ten times ten.

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Speaker 2: You are bad at Matt's interesting though, isn't it. I

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Speaker 2: know what you mean. And also the other prong to

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Speaker 2: this is people who've worked with her saying that she's

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Speaker 2: all for being nice, but her own workplace is toxic, sexist, homophobic.

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Speaker 2: She's a lesbian, that's what it's been. She's been a

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Speaker 2: cute that her workplace, but this is the workplace, not her,

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Speaker 2: And in her letter to her staff, she said, I

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Speaker 2: told everyone in our first meeting that the Ellen DeGeneres

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Speaker 2: Show would be a place of happiness. Obviously something has changed,

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Speaker 2: and I'm disappointed to learn this has not been the case.

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Speaker 2: So she's kind of distancing herself from this. The people

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Speaker 2: who are being implicated in this are her producers, and

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Speaker 2: so there is the question should she have known if

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Speaker 2: she didn't, and if she did know, why hasn't she

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Speaker 2: done anything about it. A number of celebrities, not many,

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Speaker 2: have come out in her defense. But of course she's

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Speaker 2: going to be lovely to people she likes. That's the

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Speaker 2: easiest thing in the world. So I don't know how

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Speaker 2: damaging this will be. No one has said anything about

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Speaker 2: Ellen for years, and everyone has believed that the public

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Speaker 2: the Telly and that's hard for her because that can't

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Speaker 2: be that. She can't be that twenty four hours a

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Speaker 2: day but you scratch the surface and all the stories

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Speaker 2: have poured out. She got an waitress sacked because she

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Speaker 2: had chip nail polish in the local cafe.

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Speaker 1: Is that true?

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Speaker 2: She wasn't even an employee of her She complained about

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Speaker 2: the nail polish.

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Speaker 1: But is that true?

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Speaker 2: Well, the waitress tells that story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but she might be just making that up.

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Speaker 2: Well, I can't answer to that. I don't know, but

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Speaker 2: I'll be interested to see whether she can come back

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Speaker 2: from this.

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Speaker 1: Do you think there'll be stories about you from your staff.

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Speaker 2: You and your chip now polish? You tell me you've

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Speaker 2: quated yourself with Ellen.

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Speaker 1: No, I just said she's ten times ten times more

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Speaker 1: than me. Joined the and Amanda in the morning one

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Speaker 1: point seven. Tell you