WEBVTT - Tammy and Matt on a break? 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:03.880 Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:07.520 hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:11.040 Sophie Torbah and coming up on today's show, Georgia Love 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:13.640 opens up for the first time about his split from 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:18.560 husband Lee Elliott, Shameless Media's Off Brand Interview and our 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:22.800 Friday Debrief But First, speculation is mounting that Tammy Hembro 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:25.760 and Matt Sakowski are on a break, with the couple 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:29.320 appearing to live in separate states. Kate, the Love Island contestant, 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:32.560 was missing from his step son Wolf's birthday celebrations. Yeah, 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:35.479 for those playing at home, that's three special events in 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:39.639 three weeks, so Easter, Tammy's birthday, and now Wolf's birthday. 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:43.160 To be fair, Wolf's biological dad, Rhees Hawkins was also 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:46.000 missing from the celebration. This makes me feel so sorry 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:48.400 for Wolf because, if anything, it seems like he and 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:51.280 Matt have developed quite a special bond over the past year. 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:54.120 They seem to do a lot of boy activities together, 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:56.120 and it's clear that Wolf is really looking at him 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:58.280 as a father figure. I mean, he is his stepdad now, 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:00.160 and it's not why Tammy was hiding the fact that 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:04.200 he wasn't there. She documented the celebrations across her Instagram, TikTok, 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:06.640 and snapchat. She even shared vision of her setting up 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:09.840 the party by herself without her wedding rings on. You 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:12.160 could see she was very emotional in the lead up 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:14.920 to his birthday as well. He turned ten, and she 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:18.160 was talking about how he's always been that constant fixture 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:20.880 in her life. And I wonder if it's because she's 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:25.119 reflecting on some of her failed relationships that Wolf and 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:28.280 her kids have been there through all of it. Well, thankfully, 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:30.680 it seemed like Wolf had a good time despite Matt 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:33.479 not being there, and Tammy said Wolf had the best 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:36.720 day ever. So they went laser skirmishing and go karting, 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:39.640 and afterwards he cut cake at home alongside his mum, 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:43.400 his aunties, and younger cousins. Again, it was quite clear 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:46.880 that Matt wasn't there. Wolf was just such a sweetheart. 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:48.600 This is what he said to his family after they 0:01:48.640 --> 0:02:00.320 brought out the cake, just making my birthday better. To 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:02.840 know where he's getting this English accent from. This is 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:05.120 a big point of discussion on TikTok. Everyone is like 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:08.320 he speaks so proper, He's so well spoken. Where did 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.280 this voice come from? It's definitely not a Gold Coast accent. 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:12.360 It is very sweet. 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:12.679 Now. 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:15.600 That night, Tammy revealed she and Wolf were having a 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:18.919 Marvel movie marathon in her bed, making it even more 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:22.000 obvious that Matt wasn't there. Now, Matt also didn't wish 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:24.840 his steps On a happy birthday on Instagram, similar to 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:28.480 the way he ignored Tammy's birthday. He did, however, dedicate 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:32.040 a photo dump to his sister's Golden Retriever puppy, so 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:34.440 he shared five photos of him cuddling up to the 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:37.320 puppy at a local footy game in Melbourne. Now, this 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:40.280 post seemed to anger a lot of Matt's followers, and 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:42.320 it led to them asking what is going on? There 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:45.280 was a user called Meghan who asked why he wasn't 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:48.040 on the Gold Coast celebrating his steps On's birthday, to 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:50.799 which he replied, these photos were taken four weeks ago. 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:53.600 The woman then said, but you weren't in Tammy's snap 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:56.639 or anything for Wolf's birthday today, and he said, who 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:59.679 said I wasn't, Meghan? Focus on your own life now. 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:03.280 Matt ended up deleting those comments, but Megan had already 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:06.160 screenshot them and ended up uploading the exchange to her 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:09.280 own Instagram story. So on a Reddit thread, she explained 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:12.720 that she tagged as many people as possible, one of 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:16.440 those being Tammy Hembro, who ended up viewing the story. Now, 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:19.480 it seems like that public pressure caused Matt to then 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:22.040 upload a photo the following day of him and Wolf 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.120 sitting next to each other at a cafe with blue 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:27.040 love hearts. It does seem like the photo was an 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:29.440 old one though, and not from the recent celebrations. 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:29.720 Yeah. 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:31.200 I mean it tricked me because when I saw this 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:33.639 pop up on Sunday, I was like, oh, he must 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:35.960 have been there. But as you say, Kate, I think 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:38.120 it did look like an old photo. Yeah, I think 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:39.880 it was one from the archives. And I just feel 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.440 so sorry for Wolf in this situation because, as you 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:45.560 touched upon, Sophie, Tammy and Matt were very public about 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:48.480 how much Wolf adored Matt when they first got together, 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:50.760 and it was probably so nice for him to have 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:55.320 this father figure around, especially with his dad living in Balley. Now. 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:57.760 Matt spoke at length on the Inherited podcast this week 0:03:57.800 --> 0:03:59.760 about what a blessing and privilege it is to be 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:03.560 a step dad, particularly considering his struggles with fertility. We 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:06.280 will discuss the full interview later on, but when he 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:08.360 was asked about what the key is to being a 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:11.960 supportive step parent, Matt said he liked to respect boundaries. 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:15.000 So he explained he doesn't like to intrude, but he 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:16.919 does jump in when Tammy needs his help. 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:20.480 He then said this, but I keep a friendship with him, 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:22.920 like me and Wolf for best buds. Like honestly, he's 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:24.640 like a little mini me. Me and him get along, 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:28.320 we watch movies together. I literally I'll go out or 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:29.960 go to the shop or something like I've got to 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:32.000 go do something and can come? Can I come? And 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:34.479 like literally like run and grabby shoes and me and 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:36.480 him will go like just out of the shop or 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:37.560 go get a coffee. 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:40.440 I have had that sentiment shared from a lot of 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:43.200 step parents who they don't want to overstep the boundary 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:46.880 and necessarily discipline someone else's kids, particularly when they're a 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:49.440 little bit older. It's nice to see that they clearly 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:51.440 have a strong bond, but again, it makes it even 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.040 worse that he wasn't there for Wolf's birthday. I mean, 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:56.480 surely it just proves there's a lot going on behind 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:58.479 the scenes. I mean, the Daily Mail is reporting that 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:00.839 sources close to the couple have firm that they have 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:04.760 quietly split, with Matt relocating back to Melbourne. So they 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:06.840 quoted a source of saying Matt and Tammy are on 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:09.000 a break. They're not saying it's over for good, but 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:11.880 for now they're taking time apart. They're both emotional people 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:14.520 and they've decided to put their marriage on pause for now. Look, 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:16.760 I usually call a bit of bullshit with The Daily 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:21.000 Mail's sources, but this feels bang on. Maybe they don't 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.360 necessarily have an actual source who said that, but they 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:25.159 have some sort of intel and this is the way 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:26.240 that they're telling this story. 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:26.599 Yeah. 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:29.000 Well, all of this is coming as Tammy Hembro continues 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:31.960 to appear on her social media without her engagement rings on. 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:34.360 I mean, I've lost count at how many times Matt 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:37.000 and Tammy have unfollowed each other and refollowed each other. 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:40.559 But now Tammy's best friend has jumped in on the action. 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:44.120 So Isabella Law's also unfollowed Matt over the weekend. I 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:46.760 think Tammy and Matt have made the choice that they're 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:50.120 not going to continue the unfollowed, but clearly the friends 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:51.880 can do whatever they want, and this is a very 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:54.080 big statement from one of her best friends. Yeah, I mean, 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:56.240 if you look at all their social media behavior, Matt 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:59.080 has not congratulated Tammy on her business. He's not liked 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:01.920 or commented on any of her posts, and with Matt 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:04.880 appearing on the Inherited podcast again, Tammy didn't pump that 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:07.440 up or say anything about it. He did upload that 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.400 weird photo dump though last week, where she appeared in 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:12.840 a couple of the photos. They were individual photos of her, 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:16.000 so it's almost like he's trying to say we're still together, 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:19.719 but then we haven't actively seen them in the same 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.080 spot for weeks. Yeah, I mean, I took one for 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:24.640 the team and I listened to Matt's podcast this week 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:27.479 and he couldn't have made it any more obvious that 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:30.359 he's moved back to Melbourne. The saddest part is I 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:32.440 think he and Anna were trying to get people off 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:36.120 the set, but they failed miserably. So Matt brought up 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:38.640 how he'd received a bunch of messages off the back 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:41.279 about sharing that he went to the movies by himself, 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:44.200 and he referenced Tammy and her kids, saying, Oh, I 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:46.200 like to go to the movies with my partner and 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:49.039 step kids, but if no one's interested in going to 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:52.400 a specific movie, I'll just go by myself. Well that 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:54.200 must be nice for him. I mean, Tammy's at home 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:56.520 getting the kids to bed, organizing all of the admin 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:58.320 when it comes to them, and he's out of the movies. 0:06:58.400 --> 0:06:58.599 Yeah. 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:00.560 Well, Anna then went on this spear about how she 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:02.599 would hate to go to the movies by herself, but 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:05.200 the one thing she does by herself is go get 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:07.760 a coffee and a croissant from her local cafe. She 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:11.480 then dropped this, in fact, you've been in my area 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:13.679 recently quite a lot working. 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:16.520 Oh yeah, yeah, I don't really talk about my work too. 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.360 So I've been working for my dad. So he obviously 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:22.120 has a company down in Melbourne which I used the 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:25.040 pool company that I used to work for, and I 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:26.600 was doing a bit of work while I was up 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:29.120 on the Gold Coast FORUIM here and there. But he's 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:32.080 had some people leave, some people retire, so I've come 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.720 down now to just be on the ground. It's easy. 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:36.680 We found it was easier that way to like, you know, 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:38.840 go see the clients, go see the boys on site 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:41.120 and all that sort of stuff. So I've been down, yeah, 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:43.360 helping him out a fair bit. So it's good to 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:44.000 be back out there. 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:46.680 Aren't they expanding to the GC? 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:49.760 Well, yeah, there is talk of that, definitely looking into that. 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:53.600 I'm just you know, seeing sussing stuff out, getting contractors, 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:56.360 seeing building licenses and all that sort of stuff. So 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:57.040 we're looking into that. 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:01.160 Yeah, I'm so confused. I thought Matt apparently still worked 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:03.520 for his dad's company on the Gold Coast, So does 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:07.880 that mean he left his job to marry Tammy. Therefore, 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:10.200 now that they're seemingly on a break, he's had to 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:12.440 go back to his job in Melbourne to pay his 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:15.560 bills potentially. I mean, I feel like his dad could 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:17.880 find another contractor to help him with the job that 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:20.240 Matt's doing. I don't think Matt is so indispensable in 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:22.680 this role that they couldn't heal his job anywhere else. 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:24.960 So he's got to leave his wife and step kids 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:28.560 in order to keep everything together in this business. You 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:30.400 think he might reference the fact that, oh, you know, 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:32.520 I've been flying back on the weekends to the Gold 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:34.679 Coast to see Tammy. Light there was no reference of her. 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:37.240 I mean, this pool company in question is called PJ. 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:39.720 Poul's and it has been a Matt's family for the 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:42.080 last fifty years. So his grandfather started it and his 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:45.360 dad ended up taking it over. Funnily enough, Matt has 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:47.400 been working at this business for years and years. He 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:49.680 actually appeared on an episode of The Block back in 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:52.600 twenty twenty one assisting a team with their pool. Oh 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:55.480 I did hear an influencer updates. Again, I don't know 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:58.559 the validity of this, but someone sent in saying that 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:02.079 they continually see Matt at least four times a week 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:05.840 on a local Melbourne walking track. I actually seen that 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:09.079 floating around TikTok too. But then even today he shared 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:11.880 him on a walk with the background looking like Melbourne. 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:13.760 He was incredibly cold, he had a beanie on. There 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:15.520 was like frost coming out of his mouth. That definitely 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:16.440 wasn't the Gold Coast. 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:17.000 And he was. 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:20.480 Talking about how he was doing the camping out at 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:23.480 the MCG with entrepreneurs and I was like, you could 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:25.640 make it more clear mate, that you're not living on 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:27.920 the Gold Coast. I mean, I think Anna was trying 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:30.120 really hard to help push this narrative that he and 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:33.000 Tammy were still together, like saying, well aren't they expanding 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:35.520 to the Gold Coast? But Matt couldn't even take the bait. Yes, 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:38.200 she's clearly trying to desperately help him out. Now we 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:41.000 have to talk about the Inherited podcast because, as you 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:43.400 touched on, Kate, Matt appeared on it this week and 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:46.880 there was a lot of surprise that Shameless would platform 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:49.480 someone like him because the episodes are known for being 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:53.400 quite deep discussions with very well known Australians. There was 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:55.320 a bit of backlash there. I mean it was the 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:57.720 shortest episode that they've ever had, so it ran for 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:01.040 thirty seven minutes. They usually run for around fifty minutes 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.840 to over an hour. I felt so bad for their host, 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:07.160 Ruby Hall, because she was having to work in overdrive 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:10.320 to extract anything from Matt. So she would ask a 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:12.640 question and it almost come back at her with like 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:15.560 a yes no response, or something very short that didn't 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:19.720 lead on to anything like that is a interviewer's worst nightmare. Yeah, 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:23.800 she really earned her paycheck after that interview. I mean, clearly, 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:25.920 the majority of the interview was always going to be 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:28.520 about Matt's relationship with Tammy, but there were a few 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:31.880 interesting tidbits about what matt was doing before his appearance 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:34.480 on Long Island. So he spoke about how he did 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:37.640 some catwalk modeling for five years and apparently he modeled 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:41.560 in London and Milan. After that he became a restless 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:43.920 This was my favorite part of the chat. So his 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:47.760 stage name was Charlie Matthews and he was known, according 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:50.360 to Matt, as the guy who won the genetic lottery. 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:52.319 You could tell Ruby was like, what the fuck is 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:54.480 this guy serious? She said something like, I'm not familiar 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:56.480 with that character, because I think she thought it was 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:58.760 a well known character, not something that he's just come 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:00.920 up with himself. Because he was looking about it as 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:04.679 if she should know who Charlie Matthews was. And it's 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:07.080 an amateur wrestling thing. It wasn't like a big deal. 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:10.720 And he spoke about how part of his role was 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:14.000 to actually arrogant whilst he was going out onto the 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:17.840 boxing arena, and how he would flick his hair to 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:21.000 the hit the other boxes. It was fucking hilarious. I 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:23.560 would pay good money to see some of this wrestling. 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:23.920 Well. 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:26.800 Someone in our Facebook community has shared that Charlie Matthews 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:29.320 has his own Instagram account, so there's some vision and 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:30.439 photos on there. 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:30.599 To go to. 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:32.160 How many followers has he got. I think it was 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:34.400 like two thousand. Look good on him. It would take 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:36.000 a lot of confidence to get out there, but this 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:38.480 just makes me feel like he is very much into 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:43.120 being famous, getting his name out there, trying to attract attention. Yeah. Well, 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:45.480 on the topic of fame, Matt spoke about how he 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:49.440 regularly goes to therapy to deal with the intense public scrutiny, 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:51.680 and when asked if there was a time that the 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:54.160 pressure of media noise had gotten too much for him, 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:55.000 he said this. 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:58.839 Yes, quite recently, coming out to what was meant to 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:01.280 be the most It was the best moment of my life, 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:03.000 the best day of my life. A lot of people 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:05.439 wanted to take it down, and it hurt people that 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:07.600 didn't know me, for one, and then people that did 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.840 who were just out for revenge and wanted to be evil. 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.360 It just her. It sucked to see that. I thought 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:16.320 people were better than that, and it was disappointing to see. 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:19.480 He was really throwing some serious shade at his ex 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:21.480 gen there. And what he's referring to is it a 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:24.360 couple of weeks before his wedding, Jen seemed to give 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:27.560 some information to so dramatic. So Meghan Pisetto had this 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:30.960 series of podcasts where she was really diving into how 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:34.000 there seemed to be some crossover when he first started 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:37.560 dating Hammy and potentially he had apparently slept with Jen. Yeah, 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:40.360 well it clearly affected him leading into his wedding. Matt 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:43.120 really did praise Tammy for the way she can block 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:45.480 these sorts of things out on the media scrutiny. We 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:47.360 also didn't help in the lead up to their wedding 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:48.880 was that I feel like it was a month or 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.520 so before they unfollowed each other on Instagram. Again, that 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:53.920 was I think a couple of days before their joint 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.679 ucks party, So they really weren't doing themselves any favors. 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.520 I definitely not. I mean, it seems like there is 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:01.560 a class between Matt and Tammy on the way that 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:04.400 they like to address things. So Matt said people in 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:07.160 his camp have advised him not to address things, but 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:09.640 he said it gets to a point where sometimes he 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:12.360 just wants to shut things down and tell the truth. 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:15.240 I can see that it would be very frustrating, particularly 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:17.440 because he is always made to look like the bad guy. 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:19.600 I mean, it just made me think about that episode 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:23.200 he did on his podcast where he tackled those grand 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:26.160 pre cheating allegations head first, But it just made him 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:28.920 look really bad because he and Anna, I know, they've 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:30.600 got a podcast and they've had it for many years, 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:32.840 but they are not media trained, no. I mean. It 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:36.000 was also interesting to hear him discuss on Inherited how 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:38.920 he and Anna quite often clash heads and how they've 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:41.840 had arguments in the podcast studio, which I mean is refreshing. 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:44.440 We argue all the time. But it was interesting. I 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:46.280 wonder if he is a bit hot headed when it 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:49.160 comes to his relationships with people and his way of 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:51.320 dealing with it is perhaps having a shouting match. Well, 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:53.960 what I got from that is that Anna mackinvoy is 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:56.560 the brains behind the operation, and she wants to get 0:13:56.600 --> 0:14:00.560 into media and wants the podcast to be better. Well 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:03.440 it's interesting because she does now have her own spinoff 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:07.120 podcast about motherhood, which he clearly is not involved in. 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:09.480 Because yeah, he was saying that she's always wanted to 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:12.200 plan out the episodes and know what they're talking about, 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:14.200 whereas he just preferred to rock up and do it 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:17.400 off the cuff. I mean. It seems like Matt has 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:20.240 also gone down a Reddit rabbit hole recently, so he 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:23.800 spoke about how toxic anonymous forums are about him and Tammy. 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:26.880 This is what he said, And it's just like, how 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:29.240 are you of a people that you don't know so 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:33.240 bitter and so angry and just want to like and 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:36.520 to be frank like they're fans. They're like full fans, 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:39.240 Like they're taking our content from different platforms and posting 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:42.080 about it and making theories about it and going on 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:44.520 their own like spirals, and it's just nuts to see. 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:46.000 When I get it sent to me, I'm like, what 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:46.520 the fuck? 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:49.320 I mean, he does have a bit of a point there. 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:52.760 I'm not a fan of these toxic threads and faceless 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:55.880 communities who just go to town on people. And you 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:58.640 would feel as though, if these people are that invested 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:00.800 in your life, they are a bit of a fan. 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:03.400 I mean, but they keep giving them material to talk about. 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:05.120 That's what I don't get. It's like, Okay, have your 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:07.960 fights privately, but don't go on unfollow each other and 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.440 do these things and make it really obvious that you're 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:12.960 not at special occasion, I guess that, but it's when 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:15.800 people take it too far. I've seen some awful threads 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:19.480 commenting on his body. I've seen screenshots of people taking 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.440 photos of him in the pool and commenting on his fasique, 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:24.280 which would be tough for anyone. I mean, I think 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:26.240 we think, oh, men aren't affected by these comments, but 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:28.920 they definitely are. I mean, it's unusual that men's bodies 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:31.000 are being commented on, really, I. 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:31.600 Mean it is. 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:33.800 But again, that's a lot of the conversation that I've 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:35.920 seen people saying, Oh, he's not very good looking. I mean, 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.480 he was on Love Island. He's obviously a good looking guy. Well, 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:40.520 he plays a wrestler that won the genetic Lotto, so 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:43.800 he obviously is good looking now. Matt also spoke about 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:46.280 the early stages of his relationship with Tammy, and he 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:49.600 seemed quite reluctant to give a real timeline on those 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.840 early moments, claiming he didn't know the exact times, and 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:55.280 when asked if he and Tammy had discussed marriage before 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:58.200 he proposed three months into the relationship, Matt said this, 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:00.080 Yes we. 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:05.160 Spoke about marriage. Yes we were planning on eloping, and 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:08.560 I just thought to myself, came back to Melbourne to 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.440 do something and I spoke to Anna and I told 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:12.920 her she was one of the people I told we 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:15.840 had a date booked in at the courthouse and she said, well, 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:17.640 you know you're going to the Mold Ives in like 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:20.920 four days when you do something there. So my idea 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:24.120 was originally to get like a promise ring and be like, look, 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:27.080 I understand I'm not doing it traditional. But then I 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:29.240 saw a ring there and it was it was gorgeous, 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:31.320 and I fell in love with it and I was like, okay, 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:34.880 So I got an engagement ring for her, yeah, and 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:37.440 then did the proposal, organized it quickly with the people 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:39.520 at the Mold Dives. I said, look, I'm planning on proposing. 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.480 Can you organize like a thing for me, in organize 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:45.720 a dinner? Yeah, Yeah, to dinner. Yeah. 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:47.720 Might the only one that was super confused by that 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:50.000 because reading between the lines, what I think happened is 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.040 that they planned to elope to the mal Dives and 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:55.200 then make it legal at the Registry office upon their return. 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:57.240 I mean, I feel like a bit of PhD on 0:16:57.280 --> 0:16:59.120 this topic at the moment. I feel like I've listened 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:01.840 to way too many podcasts about this but I think 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:04.879 what he was saying is that they initially planned to 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:08.680 elope and to get married at a courthouse. Her sisters 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:10.480 then got involved and told them that it was a 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:13.040 terrible idea, So then he thought, well, I'm going to 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:15.960 the Maldives. I'm just going to propose anyway. It's so 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:19.119 weird though, because then they'd already discussed marriage, so that 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:22.439 the proposal was just fake. Well, the proposal was I 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:25.160 think the sister's way of making them have at least 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:27.000 a year leading up to it, so it gave them 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:28.760 room to get to know each other a bit more. 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:30.880 I mean, it's just looking more and more like this 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:34.920 whole thing was staged. I don't think that it was staged. 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:38.600 I just think that they are both impulsive people who 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:40.919 had these conversations and it was a bit of a 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:44.400 fuck you to everyone else who doesn't think our relationship 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:47.960 is serious. I cringed so hard when Ruby asked, what 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:49.760 was it that made you first fall in love with 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.160 Tammy or was it love at first sight? And he said, well, 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:53.840 look at her, she's incredibly hot. 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:54.679