Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
Speaker 1: Sophie Torbah and coming up on today's show, Georgia Love
Speaker 1: opens up for the first time about his split from
Speaker 1: husband Lee Elliott, Shameless Media's Off Brand Interview and our
Speaker 1: Friday Debrief But First, speculation is mounting that Tammy Hembro
Speaker 1: and Matt Sakowski are on a break, with the couple
Speaker 1: appearing to live in separate states. Kate, the Love Island contestant,
Speaker 1: was missing from his step son Wolf's birthday celebrations. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for those playing at home, that's three special events in
Speaker 1: three weeks, so Easter, Tammy's birthday, and now Wolf's birthday.
Speaker 1: To be fair, Wolf's biological dad, Rhees Hawkins was also
Speaker 1: missing from the celebration. This makes me feel so sorry
Speaker 1: for Wolf because, if anything, it seems like he and
Speaker 1: Matt have developed quite a special bond over the past year.
Speaker 1: They seem to do a lot of boy activities together,
Speaker 1: and it's clear that Wolf is really looking at him
Speaker 1: as a father figure. I mean, he is his stepdad now,
Speaker 1: and it's not why Tammy was hiding the fact that
Speaker 1: he wasn't there. She documented the celebrations across her Instagram, TikTok,
Speaker 1: and snapchat. She even shared vision of her setting up
Speaker 1: the party by herself without her wedding rings on. You
Speaker 1: could see she was very emotional in the lead up
Speaker 1: to his birthday as well. He turned ten, and she
Speaker 1: was talking about how he's always been that constant fixture
Speaker 1: in her life. And I wonder if it's because she's
Speaker 1: reflecting on some of her failed relationships that Wolf and
Speaker 1: her kids have been there through all of it. Well, thankfully,
Speaker 1: it seemed like Wolf had a good time despite Matt
Speaker 1: not being there, and Tammy said Wolf had the best
Speaker 1: day ever. So they went laser skirmishing and go karting,
Speaker 1: and afterwards he cut cake at home alongside his mum,
Speaker 1: his aunties, and younger cousins. Again, it was quite clear
Speaker 1: that Matt wasn't there. Wolf was just such a sweetheart.
Speaker 1: This is what he said to his family after they
Speaker 1: brought out the cake, just making my birthday better. To
Speaker 1: know where he's getting this English accent from. This is
Speaker 1: a big point of discussion on TikTok. Everyone is like
Speaker 1: he speaks so proper, He's so well spoken. Where did
Speaker 1: this voice come from? It's definitely not a Gold Coast accent.
Speaker 1: It is very sweet.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: That night, Tammy revealed she and Wolf were having a
Speaker 1: Marvel movie marathon in her bed, making it even more
Speaker 1: obvious that Matt wasn't there. Now, Matt also didn't wish
Speaker 1: his steps On a happy birthday on Instagram, similar to
Speaker 1: the way he ignored Tammy's birthday. He did, however, dedicate
Speaker 1: a photo dump to his sister's Golden Retriever puppy, so
Speaker 1: he shared five photos of him cuddling up to the
Speaker 1: puppy at a local footy game in Melbourne. Now, this
Speaker 1: post seemed to anger a lot of Matt's followers, and
Speaker 1: it led to them asking what is going on? There
Speaker 1: was a user called Meghan who asked why he wasn't
Speaker 1: on the Gold Coast celebrating his steps On's birthday, to
Speaker 1: which he replied, these photos were taken four weeks ago.
Speaker 1: The woman then said, but you weren't in Tammy's snap
Speaker 1: or anything for Wolf's birthday today, and he said, who
Speaker 1: said I wasn't, Meghan? Focus on your own life now.
Speaker 1: Matt ended up deleting those comments, but Megan had already
Speaker 1: screenshot them and ended up uploading the exchange to her
Speaker 1: own Instagram story. So on a Reddit thread, she explained
Speaker 1: that she tagged as many people as possible, one of
Speaker 1: those being Tammy Hembro, who ended up viewing the story. Now,
Speaker 1: it seems like that public pressure caused Matt to then
Speaker 1: upload a photo the following day of him and Wolf
Speaker 1: sitting next to each other at a cafe with blue
Speaker 1: love hearts. It does seem like the photo was an
Speaker 1: old one though, and not from the recent celebrations.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean it tricked me because when I saw this
Speaker 1: pop up on Sunday, I was like, oh, he must
Speaker 1: have been there. But as you say, Kate, I think
Speaker 1: it did look like an old photo. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it was one from the archives. And I just feel
Speaker 1: so sorry for Wolf in this situation because, as you
Speaker 1: touched upon, Sophie, Tammy and Matt were very public about
Speaker 1: how much Wolf adored Matt when they first got together,
Speaker 1: and it was probably so nice for him to have
Speaker 1: this father figure around, especially with his dad living in Balley. Now.
Speaker 1: Matt spoke at length on the Inherited podcast this week
Speaker 1: about what a blessing and privilege it is to be
Speaker 1: a step dad, particularly considering his struggles with fertility. We
Speaker 1: will discuss the full interview later on, but when he
Speaker 1: was asked about what the key is to being a
Speaker 1: supportive step parent, Matt said he liked to respect boundaries.
Speaker 1: So he explained he doesn't like to intrude, but he
Speaker 1: does jump in when Tammy needs his help.
Speaker 2: He then said this, but I keep a friendship with him,
Speaker 2: like me and Wolf for best buds. Like honestly, he's
Speaker 2: like a little mini me. Me and him get along,
Speaker 2: we watch movies together. I literally I'll go out or
Speaker 2: go to the shop or something like I've got to
Speaker 2: go do something and can come? Can I come? And
Speaker 2: like literally like run and grabby shoes and me and
Speaker 2: him will go like just out of the shop or
Speaker 2: go get a coffee.
Speaker 1: I have had that sentiment shared from a lot of
Speaker 1: step parents who they don't want to overstep the boundary
Speaker 1: and necessarily discipline someone else's kids, particularly when they're a
Speaker 1: little bit older. It's nice to see that they clearly
Speaker 1: have a strong bond, but again, it makes it even
Speaker 1: worse that he wasn't there for Wolf's birthday. I mean,
Speaker 1: surely it just proves there's a lot going on behind
Speaker 1: the scenes. I mean, the Daily Mail is reporting that
Speaker 1: sources close to the couple have firm that they have
Speaker 1: quietly split, with Matt relocating back to Melbourne. So they
Speaker 1: quoted a source of saying Matt and Tammy are on
Speaker 1: a break. They're not saying it's over for good, but
Speaker 1: for now they're taking time apart. They're both emotional people
Speaker 1: and they've decided to put their marriage on pause for now. Look,
Speaker 1: I usually call a bit of bullshit with The Daily
Speaker 1: Mail's sources, but this feels bang on. Maybe they don't
Speaker 1: necessarily have an actual source who said that, but they
Speaker 1: have some sort of intel and this is the way
Speaker 1: that they're telling this story.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, all of this is coming as Tammy Hembro continues
Speaker 1: to appear on her social media without her engagement rings on.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've lost count at how many times Matt
Speaker 1: and Tammy have unfollowed each other and refollowed each other.
Speaker 1: But now Tammy's best friend has jumped in on the action.
Speaker 1: So Isabella Law's also unfollowed Matt over the weekend. I
Speaker 1: think Tammy and Matt have made the choice that they're
Speaker 1: not going to continue the unfollowed, but clearly the friends
Speaker 1: can do whatever they want, and this is a very
Speaker 1: big statement from one of her best friends. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: if you look at all their social media behavior, Matt
Speaker 1: has not congratulated Tammy on her business. He's not liked
Speaker 1: or commented on any of her posts, and with Matt
Speaker 1: appearing on the Inherited podcast again, Tammy didn't pump that
Speaker 1: up or say anything about it. He did upload that
Speaker 1: weird photo dump though last week, where she appeared in
Speaker 1: a couple of the photos. They were individual photos of her,
Speaker 1: so it's almost like he's trying to say we're still together,
Speaker 1: but then we haven't actively seen them in the same
Speaker 1: spot for weeks. Yeah, I mean, I took one for
Speaker 1: the team and I listened to Matt's podcast this week
Speaker 1: and he couldn't have made it any more obvious that
Speaker 1: he's moved back to Melbourne. The saddest part is I
Speaker 1: think he and Anna were trying to get people off
Speaker 1: the set, but they failed miserably. So Matt brought up
Speaker 1: how he'd received a bunch of messages off the back
Speaker 1: about sharing that he went to the movies by himself,
Speaker 1: and he referenced Tammy and her kids, saying, Oh, I
Speaker 1: like to go to the movies with my partner and
Speaker 1: step kids, but if no one's interested in going to
Speaker 1: a specific movie, I'll just go by myself. Well that
Speaker 1: must be nice for him. I mean, Tammy's at home
Speaker 1: getting the kids to bed, organizing all of the admin
Speaker 1: when it comes to them, and he's out of the movies.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, Anna then went on this spear about how she
Speaker 1: would hate to go to the movies by herself, but
Speaker 1: the one thing she does by herself is go get
Speaker 1: a coffee and a croissant from her local cafe. She
Speaker 1: then dropped this, in fact, you've been in my area
Speaker 1: recently quite a lot working.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I don't really talk about my work too.
Speaker 2: So I've been working for my dad. So he obviously
Speaker 2: has a company down in Melbourne which I used the
Speaker 2: pool company that I used to work for, and I
Speaker 2: was doing a bit of work while I was up
Speaker 2: on the Gold Coast FORUIM here and there. But he's
Speaker 2: had some people leave, some people retire, so I've come
Speaker 2: down now to just be on the ground. It's easy.
Speaker 2: We found it was easier that way to like, you know,
Speaker 2: go see the clients, go see the boys on site
Speaker 2: and all that sort of stuff. So I've been down, yeah,
Speaker 2: helping him out a fair bit. So it's good to
Speaker 2: be back out there.
Speaker 1: Aren't they expanding to the GC?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, there is talk of that, definitely looking into that.
Speaker 2: I'm just you know, seeing sussing stuff out, getting contractors,
Speaker 2: seeing building licenses and all that sort of stuff. So
Speaker 2: we're looking into that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so confused. I thought Matt apparently still worked
Speaker 1: for his dad's company on the Gold Coast, So does
Speaker 1: that mean he left his job to marry Tammy. Therefore,
Speaker 1: now that they're seemingly on a break, he's had to
Speaker 1: go back to his job in Melbourne to pay his
Speaker 1: bills potentially. I mean, I feel like his dad could
Speaker 1: find another contractor to help him with the job that
Speaker 1: Matt's doing. I don't think Matt is so indispensable in
Speaker 1: this role that they couldn't heal his job anywhere else.
Speaker 1: So he's got to leave his wife and step kids
Speaker 1: in order to keep everything together in this business. You
Speaker 1: think he might reference the fact that, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: I've been flying back on the weekends to the Gold
Speaker 1: Coast to see Tammy. Light there was no reference of her.
Speaker 1: I mean, this pool company in question is called PJ.
Speaker 1: Poul's and it has been a Matt's family for the
Speaker 1: last fifty years. So his grandfather started it and his
Speaker 1: dad ended up taking it over. Funnily enough, Matt has
Speaker 1: been working at this business for years and years. He
Speaker 1: actually appeared on an episode of The Block back in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one assisting a team with their pool. Oh
Speaker 1: I did hear an influencer updates. Again, I don't know
Speaker 1: the validity of this, but someone sent in saying that
Speaker 1: they continually see Matt at least four times a week
Speaker 1: on a local Melbourne walking track. I actually seen that
Speaker 1: floating around TikTok too. But then even today he shared
Speaker 1: him on a walk with the background looking like Melbourne.
Speaker 1: He was incredibly cold, he had a beanie on. There
Speaker 1: was like frost coming out of his mouth. That definitely
Speaker 1: wasn't the Gold Coast.
Speaker 3: And he was.
Speaker 1: Talking about how he was doing the camping out at
Speaker 1: the MCG with entrepreneurs and I was like, you could
Speaker 1: make it more clear mate, that you're not living on
Speaker 1: the Gold Coast. I mean, I think Anna was trying
Speaker 1: really hard to help push this narrative that he and
Speaker 1: Tammy were still together, like saying, well aren't they expanding
Speaker 1: to the Gold Coast? But Matt couldn't even take the bait. Yes,
Speaker 1: she's clearly trying to desperately help him out. Now we
Speaker 1: have to talk about the Inherited podcast because, as you
Speaker 1: touched on, Kate, Matt appeared on it this week and
Speaker 1: there was a lot of surprise that Shameless would platform
Speaker 1: someone like him because the episodes are known for being
Speaker 1: quite deep discussions with very well known Australians. There was
Speaker 1: a bit of backlash there. I mean it was the
Speaker 1: shortest episode that they've ever had, so it ran for
Speaker 1: thirty seven minutes. They usually run for around fifty minutes
Speaker 1: to over an hour. I felt so bad for their host,
Speaker 1: Ruby Hall, because she was having to work in overdrive
Speaker 1: to extract anything from Matt. So she would ask a
Speaker 1: question and it almost come back at her with like
Speaker 1: a yes no response, or something very short that didn't
Speaker 1: lead on to anything like that is a interviewer's worst nightmare. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she really earned her paycheck after that interview. I mean, clearly,
Speaker 1: the majority of the interview was always going to be
Speaker 1: about Matt's relationship with Tammy, but there were a few
Speaker 1: interesting tidbits about what matt was doing before his appearance
Speaker 1: on Long Island. So he spoke about how he did
Speaker 1: some catwalk modeling for five years and apparently he modeled
Speaker 1: in London and Milan. After that he became a restless
Speaker 1: This was my favorite part of the chat. So his
Speaker 1: stage name was Charlie Matthews and he was known, according
Speaker 1: to Matt, as the guy who won the genetic lottery.
Speaker 1: You could tell Ruby was like, what the fuck is
Speaker 1: this guy serious? She said something like, I'm not familiar
Speaker 1: with that character, because I think she thought it was
Speaker 1: a well known character, not something that he's just come
Speaker 1: up with himself. Because he was looking about it as
Speaker 1: if she should know who Charlie Matthews was. And it's
Speaker 1: an amateur wrestling thing. It wasn't like a big deal.
Speaker 1: And he spoke about how part of his role was
Speaker 1: to actually arrogant whilst he was going out onto the
Speaker 1: boxing arena, and how he would flick his hair to
Speaker 1: the hit the other boxes. It was fucking hilarious. I
Speaker 1: would pay good money to see some of this wrestling.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: Someone in our Facebook community has shared that Charlie Matthews
Speaker 1: has his own Instagram account, so there's some vision and
Speaker 1: photos on there.
Speaker 3: To go to.
Speaker 1: How many followers has he got. I think it was
Speaker 1: like two thousand. Look good on him. It would take
Speaker 1: a lot of confidence to get out there, but this
Speaker 1: just makes me feel like he is very much into
Speaker 1: being famous, getting his name out there, trying to attract attention. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: on the topic of fame, Matt spoke about how he
Speaker 1: regularly goes to therapy to deal with the intense public scrutiny,
Speaker 1: and when asked if there was a time that the
Speaker 1: pressure of media noise had gotten too much for him,
Speaker 1: he said this.
Speaker 2: Yes, quite recently, coming out to what was meant to
Speaker 2: be the most It was the best moment of my life,
Speaker 2: the best day of my life. A lot of people
Speaker 2: wanted to take it down, and it hurt people that
Speaker 2: didn't know me, for one, and then people that did
Speaker 2: who were just out for revenge and wanted to be evil.
Speaker 2: It just her. It sucked to see that. I thought
Speaker 2: people were better than that, and it was disappointing to see.
Speaker 1: He was really throwing some serious shade at his ex
Speaker 1: gen there. And what he's referring to is it a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks before his wedding, Jen seemed to give
Speaker 1: some information to so dramatic. So Meghan Pisetto had this
Speaker 1: series of podcasts where she was really diving into how
Speaker 1: there seemed to be some crossover when he first started
Speaker 1: dating Hammy and potentially he had apparently slept with Jen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well it clearly affected him leading into his wedding. Matt
Speaker 1: really did praise Tammy for the way she can block
Speaker 1: these sorts of things out on the media scrutiny. We
Speaker 1: also didn't help in the lead up to their wedding
Speaker 1: was that I feel like it was a month or
Speaker 1: so before they unfollowed each other on Instagram. Again, that
Speaker 1: was I think a couple of days before their joint
Speaker 1: ucks party, So they really weren't doing themselves any favors.
Speaker 1: I definitely not. I mean, it seems like there is
Speaker 1: a class between Matt and Tammy on the way that
Speaker 1: they like to address things. So Matt said people in
Speaker 1: his camp have advised him not to address things, but
Speaker 1: he said it gets to a point where sometimes he
Speaker 1: just wants to shut things down and tell the truth.
Speaker 1: I can see that it would be very frustrating, particularly
Speaker 1: because he is always made to look like the bad guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, it just made me think about that episode
Speaker 1: he did on his podcast where he tackled those grand
Speaker 1: pre cheating allegations head first, But it just made him
Speaker 1: look really bad because he and Anna, I know, they've
Speaker 1: got a podcast and they've had it for many years,
Speaker 1: but they are not media trained, no. I mean. It
Speaker 1: was also interesting to hear him discuss on Inherited how
Speaker 1: he and Anna quite often clash heads and how they've
Speaker 1: had arguments in the podcast studio, which I mean is refreshing.
Speaker 1: We argue all the time. But it was interesting. I
Speaker 1: wonder if he is a bit hot headed when it
Speaker 1: comes to his relationships with people and his way of
Speaker 1: dealing with it is perhaps having a shouting match. Well,
Speaker 1: what I got from that is that Anna mackinvoy is
Speaker 1: the brains behind the operation, and she wants to get
Speaker 1: into media and wants the podcast to be better. Well
Speaker 1: it's interesting because she does now have her own spinoff
Speaker 1: podcast about motherhood, which he clearly is not involved in.
Speaker 1: Because yeah, he was saying that she's always wanted to
Speaker 1: plan out the episodes and know what they're talking about,
Speaker 1: whereas he just preferred to rock up and do it
Speaker 1: off the cuff. I mean. It seems like Matt has
Speaker 1: also gone down a Reddit rabbit hole recently, so he
Speaker 1: spoke about how toxic anonymous forums are about him and Tammy.
Speaker 2: This is what he said, And it's just like, how
Speaker 2: are you of a people that you don't know so
Speaker 2: bitter and so angry and just want to like and
Speaker 2: to be frank like they're fans. They're like full fans,
Speaker 2: Like they're taking our content from different platforms and posting
Speaker 2: about it and making theories about it and going on
Speaker 2: their own like spirals, and it's just nuts to see.
Speaker 2: When I get it sent to me, I'm like, what
Speaker 2: the fuck?
Speaker 1: I mean, he does have a bit of a point there.
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of these toxic threads and faceless
Speaker 1: communities who just go to town on people. And you
Speaker 1: would feel as though, if these people are that invested
Speaker 1: in your life, they are a bit of a fan.
Speaker 1: I mean, but they keep giving them material to talk about.
Speaker 1: That's what I don't get. It's like, Okay, have your
Speaker 1: fights privately, but don't go on unfollow each other and
Speaker 1: do these things and make it really obvious that you're
Speaker 1: not at special occasion, I guess that, but it's when
Speaker 1: people take it too far. I've seen some awful threads
Speaker 1: commenting on his body. I've seen screenshots of people taking
Speaker 1: photos of him in the pool and commenting on his fasique,
Speaker 1: which would be tough for anyone. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: we think, oh, men aren't affected by these comments, but
Speaker 1: they definitely are. I mean, it's unusual that men's bodies
Speaker 1: are being commented on, really, I.
Speaker 4: Mean it is.
Speaker 1: But again, that's a lot of the conversation that I've
Speaker 1: seen people saying, Oh, he's not very good looking. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was on Love Island. He's obviously a good looking guy. Well,
Speaker 1: he plays a wrestler that won the genetic Lotto, so
Speaker 1: he obviously is good looking now. Matt also spoke about
Speaker 1: the early stages of his relationship with Tammy, and he
Speaker 1: seemed quite reluctant to give a real timeline on those
Speaker 1: early moments, claiming he didn't know the exact times, and
Speaker 1: when asked if he and Tammy had discussed marriage before
Speaker 1: he proposed three months into the relationship, Matt said this,
Speaker 1: Yes we.
Speaker 2: Spoke about marriage. Yes we were planning on eloping, and
Speaker 2: I just thought to myself, came back to Melbourne to
Speaker 2: do something and I spoke to Anna and I told
Speaker 2: her she was one of the people I told we
Speaker 2: had a date booked in at the courthouse and she said, well,
Speaker 2: you know you're going to the Mold Ives in like
Speaker 2: four days when you do something there. So my idea
Speaker 2: was originally to get like a promise ring and be like, look,
Speaker 2: I understand I'm not doing it traditional. But then I
Speaker 2: saw a ring there and it was it was gorgeous,
Speaker 2: and I fell in love with it and I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: So I got an engagement ring for her, yeah, and
Speaker 2: then did the proposal, organized it quickly with the people
Speaker 2: at the Mold Dives. I said, look, I'm planning on proposing.
Speaker 2: Can you organize like a thing for me, in organize
Speaker 2: a dinner? Yeah, Yeah, to dinner. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Might the only one that was super confused by that
Speaker 1: because reading between the lines, what I think happened is
Speaker 1: that they planned to elope to the mal Dives and
Speaker 1: then make it legal at the Registry office upon their return.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like a bit of PhD on
Speaker 1: this topic at the moment. I feel like I've listened
Speaker 1: to way too many podcasts about this but I think
Speaker 1: what he was saying is that they initially planned to
Speaker 1: elope and to get married at a courthouse. Her sisters
Speaker 1: then got involved and told them that it was a
Speaker 1: terrible idea, So then he thought, well, I'm going to
Speaker 1: the Maldives. I'm just going to propose anyway. It's so
Speaker 1: weird though, because then they'd already discussed marriage, so that
Speaker 1: the proposal was just fake. Well, the proposal was I
Speaker 1: think the sister's way of making them have at least
Speaker 1: a year leading up to it, so it gave them
Speaker 1: room to get to know each other a bit more.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just looking more and more like this
Speaker 1: whole thing was staged. I don't think that it was staged.
Speaker 1: I just think that they are both impulsive people who
Speaker 1: had these conversations and it was a bit of a
Speaker 1: fuck you to everyone else who doesn't think our relationship
Speaker 1: is serious. I cringed so hard when Ruby asked, what
Speaker 1: was it that made you first fall in love with
Speaker 1: Tammy or was it love at first sight? And he said, well,
Speaker 1: look at her, she's incredibly hot.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 1: And then it was backed up by the fact that
Speaker 1: she also liked movies, horror movies or movie it's such
Speaker 1: a buff. He seems like a twelve year old kid.
Speaker 1: I mean, he is reading Goosebumps. I don't want to
Speaker 1: go hard on him at reading Goosebumps because on an
Speaker 1: episode of their podcast, Anna Mack and Boy was saying
Speaker 1: how sorry she felt for Matt that everyone was having
Speaker 1: a go at him about reading Goosebumps because good on
Speaker 1: him for trying to read. So yeah, I can see
Speaker 1: where she's coming from him, and this is a real
Speaker 1: person at the end of the day. I think it's
Speaker 1: just hard because he comes across as such a character,
Speaker 1: like he seems like this quintessential himbo, particularly with the wrestling.
Speaker 1: But when I listen to him on podcas, I don't
Speaker 1: hate him, Like he seems sort of sweet. He just
Speaker 1: seems like this again golden retriever energy, this puppy dog.
Speaker 1: He doesn't seem to know any better. Yeah, which is
Speaker 1: sort of like it's not alluring, but it's sort of
Speaker 1: like sweet, you know what I mean, Like you're not
Speaker 1: feel a bit sorry for him. Yeah, it's like they
Speaker 1: need to take a microphone off him because he just
Speaker 1: doesn't know what he's saying. But I don't think he's
Speaker 1: a bad person. Like he is quite entertaining on podcasts.
Speaker 1: He says how it is, But I don't necessarily think
Speaker 1: it makes him a particularly good partner, particularly for someone
Speaker 1: who's got three small kids. I think Tammy needs someone
Speaker 1: who's a bit more mature. Yeah, it's probably not the
Speaker 1: right match to take on three step children. Now, as
Speaker 1: we predicted, Matt spoke about his fertility, and it's not
Speaker 1: the first time he has but for those who are
Speaker 1: yet to hear and speak on the topic, he confirmed
Speaker 1: he is unable to naturally conceive as he has no sperm.
Speaker 1: He is hopeful a surgery maybe able to help the situation,
Speaker 1: but the result is unknown until he undergoes it again.
Speaker 1: This was a section of the podcast where I felt
Speaker 1: slightly sorry for Ruby because I had a bit of
Speaker 1: a gig because it is a serious topic. But Matt
Speaker 1: said something about, oh, yep, I've got no swimmers, and
Speaker 1: it was just said in such a comical way that
Speaker 1: it was almost a way that you share it with
Speaker 1: another man, not necessarily a young girl who's interviewing you.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think in that moment he didn't know quite how
Speaker 1: to articulate himself. I do want to give him a
Speaker 1: lot of praise, though, because it's not something we hear
Speaker 1: men talk about, and he was very open about it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think hats off to him on that regard.
Speaker 3: I don't want to feel like I've let anyone down,
Speaker 3: which is so silly, because it's not about anyone else,
Speaker 3: It's just about us.
Speaker 1: Georgia Love has tearfully opened up for the first time
Speaker 1: about her split from husband Lee Elliott. The former bachelorette
Speaker 1: admitted it feels weird calling him her ex husband, and
Speaker 1: spoke candidly about the impact her twenty twenty one cancelation
Speaker 1: had not only on her marriage, but her mental health.
Speaker 1: So if this interview comes two months after the couple
Speaker 1: announced their separation, yeah, it was back in early March,
Speaker 1: so a couple of days before their upcoming fourth wedding
Speaker 1: anniversary when Georgia and Lee confirmed the news, and they
Speaker 1: had been growing speculation for quite some time that a
Speaker 1: breakup announcement was on the cards. They hadn't been seen
Speaker 1: publicly together for four months, and they weren't wearing their
Speaker 1: wedding bands. Also, Georgia was on a solo trip in
Speaker 1: New York over Christmas, so everyone felt like something was
Speaker 1: going on. In the background. Yeah, it was like we
Speaker 1: were just waiting for this statement to drop, and they
Speaker 1: did confirm it in a joint statement shared on their
Speaker 1: Instagram story, ruterating that there was no drama or bad bladen,
Speaker 1: that they had simply grown in different directions. There was
Speaker 1: a big emphasis put on the fact that they would
Speaker 1: be remaining friends and had a lot of respect for
Speaker 1: one another. I mean we see this a lot in
Speaker 1: statements put out by couples. Yeah, it is sort of
Speaker 1: the go to line.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of sadness around this announcement because
Speaker 1: they were one of the Bachelor's biggest success stories and
Speaker 1: they seemed like such a solid couple. There were a
Speaker 1: lot of theories floating around at the time about what
Speaker 1: actually caused the split. I know, we had a lot
Speaker 1: of people sliding into our DM saying it was x
Speaker 1: Y and Z that caused the breakdown. I mean, no
Speaker 1: one knows what happens behind closed doors. I mean, one
Speaker 1: thing that is clear is that everyone felt like they
Speaker 1: had this vested interest in the couple because we've watched
Speaker 1: their love story unfold online and when it ends, you
Speaker 1: feel like you deserve to know what happened. I think
Speaker 1: also because they appeared so solid and to have the
Speaker 1: perfect relationship, people then assume that something drastic has happened
Speaker 1: in order for that split to happen. And we haven't
Speaker 1: really heard either party really open up about the separation
Speaker 1: and how they're feeling until now. I mean, we have
Speaker 1: seen from Lee over the past couple of weeks some
Speaker 1: firsts that. I mean, we're not complaining about the photos
Speaker 1: that he's been uploading. He's been renovating his deck and
Speaker 1: he kept big deck actually, Kate. Yeah, and there's a
Speaker 1: lot of deck puns. I mean, he's known to like puns.
Speaker 1: He and Georgia love used to do a lot of
Speaker 1: puns on the Instagram stories together. Yeah, And I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's complaining that he's been getting his
Speaker 1: shirt off in the photos, but it seems like it's
Speaker 1: a bit of a first trap for some new ladies
Speaker 1: out there. That's the impression that I'm getting. It didn't
Speaker 1: thrill me, and I wouldn't have been happy if I
Speaker 1: was Georgia.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and those photos have led me to think what
Speaker 1: is actually going on behind the scenes. This would be
Speaker 1: very difficult if you were Georgia seeing these posts, and
Speaker 1: she chose to open up for the first time about
Speaker 1: her separation on Mom and Me as No Filter, where
Speaker 1: she spoke to Kate Langbrook. And I really think that
Speaker 1: this was the perfect platform for her to open up on,
Speaker 1: particularly because Kate was just so warm and sensitive during
Speaker 1: this interview. I love Kate Lanebrook. She is just like
Speaker 1: a big, warm hug and when you listen, I mean
Speaker 1: I cried several times during this interview. I just loved
Speaker 1: how patient she was with Georgia. She wasn't pushed too
Speaker 1: much to get anything out, and that's why I think
Speaker 1: we got so much from her. Yeah, she seemed to
Speaker 1: have this genuine care for Georgia, almost like a motherly figure.
Speaker 1: It's also interesting to note that Georgia works for Mama Mia.
Speaker 1: She has had a podcast on the network for a
Speaker 1: couple of years now called Everyone Has An Ex So
Speaker 1: she realized that was a MUMA meter. So she probably
Speaker 1: also felt confident that the interview would be respectful and
Speaker 1: they wouldn't cross any lines or throw in any rogue questions.
Speaker 1: I mean, I did feel awkward the segue initially when
Speaker 1: Kate said, I mean, you've got a podcast called Everyone
Speaker 1: Has An Ex? And you have an ex. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: but then after it was dealt with such sensitivity. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was that comment that led Georgia to kind of
Speaker 1: be at a loss to what she refers to Lee as,
Speaker 1: let's have a listen to what she said.
Speaker 5: When did you start to realize that you and lay
Speaker 5: your beautiful husband ex husband ex husband?
Speaker 4: Well not yet, really, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know what you're still in that muddy Yeah,
Speaker 3: we're agreed to separate, but where Yeah, there's certainly no
Speaker 3: paperwork anything done or that takes a long time.
Speaker 4: Anyway, I feel very weird calling him my ex husband.
Speaker 4: He doesn't.
Speaker 1: And this is also this made me feel as though
Speaker 1: maybe this separation isn't final. Oh me too, I was like,
Speaker 1: is this opening the door for some sort of reconciliar Yeah,
Speaker 1: because she made a point of saying that they're still
Speaker 1: very much ingrained in each other's lives and she is
Speaker 1: never going to look back at their relationship as something
Speaker 1: she completely moves on from. I mean, either it's the
Speaker 1: fact that maybe she's leaving the door open, or potentially
Speaker 1: it's so fresh that she just isn't able to even
Speaker 1: move on at this point. It made me wonder if
Speaker 1: it was Lee that was pushing the end of the relationship.
Speaker 1: I mean, they said it was mutual, but it did
Speaker 1: seem like she wanted to be back with him.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, she spoke very wistfully about the relationship and said
Speaker 1: that they had this beautiful life together and it feels
Speaker 1: like she's not really ready to close the door yet
Speaker 1: on it. I enjoyed listening to Georgia speak on this
Speaker 1: podcast because I actually don't listen to her. Everyone has
Speaker 1: an ex podcast. I only see her and social media,
Speaker 1: which isn't the best platform for her. I don't think.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 1: I think this was a way better platform for her,
Speaker 1: And it reminded me of why I liked her so
Speaker 1: much when she was on The Bachelor. Yeah, because unfortunately,
Speaker 1: I mean, she's the same age as us, we're millennials,
Speaker 1: and I think she has looked at platforms like TikTok
Speaker 1: and Instagram reels and thought, Okay, I've got to jump
Speaker 1: on some of these trends. I've got to do comedic videos.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that they're the best fit for
Speaker 1: her because they're landing. Well, yeah, they're not landing. They
Speaker 1: can be taken out of context, and I don't think
Speaker 1: it's the true essence of who she is as a person.
Speaker 1: She's very intelligent, That's what I took from this whole interview,
Speaker 1: and it was very clear that she had the intelligence
Speaker 1: to understand this intimacy that the public feel like they
Speaker 1: have with her and Lee because everyone watched her fall
Speaker 1: in love on TV. And she said that she understands
Speaker 1: this sense of entitlement that the public have because they've
Speaker 1: been very invested in her nine year love story. And
Speaker 1: what really seemed to weigh heavy on her during this interview,
Speaker 1: and something that I didn't even consider, was this sense
Speaker 1: that she had let the public down due to this separation.
Speaker 4: Is what she said, and I understand that.
Speaker 3: So that's been a big part of what has been
Speaker 3: difficult about making the public announcement that we have decided
Speaker 3: to separate, because.
Speaker 4: I don't want to feel like I've let anyone.
Speaker 3: Down, which is so silly because it's not about anyone else.
Speaker 4: It's just about us.
Speaker 3: But people have been so wonderful following our story along
Speaker 3: since the start, and I feel sorry I'm getting teary
Speaker 3: about this because it's so silly because it's not about
Speaker 3: anyone else. But so many people say often that they
Speaker 3: look at our relationship and feel like that gives them hope, yes,
Speaker 3: that they'll find their person. And really, yeah, I've been
Speaker 3: very sad about feeling like I've let people down or
Speaker 3: we've let people down very much.
Speaker 4: Believe in love. Have not fallen out of love.
Speaker 3: There has always been deep love there that I don't
Speaker 3: want people to be disappointed.
Speaker 1: Listening to this, I just thought it's clear that she's
Speaker 1: a perfectionist, that she doesn't want to ever disappoint everyone.
Speaker 1: She's an A grade student, she's always done well at
Speaker 1: her career. Well, I think what her is that she
Speaker 1: was not only breaking the illusion for other people, but
Speaker 1: for herself. Yeah, because it would be hard admitting that,
Speaker 1: whilst your relationship looked really perfect online, that you were
Speaker 1: struggling and there were things going on behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: It's almost like you're dropping this mask and it would
Speaker 1: be feel very exposing. I know we've spoken our podcast
Speaker 1: a little bit towards the end of last year about
Speaker 1: whether Georgia and Ly were together, and it made me
Speaker 1: feel bad when I heard Georgia talk about the toll
Speaker 1: the public scrutiny took on her in saying that, though
Speaker 1: she said she understood it because she's a journalist. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And she also spoke about how tough it was to
Speaker 1: actually decide when to go public with the news of
Speaker 1: their separation.
Speaker 3: Here's what she said, with Lee and I separating, one
Speaker 3: of the hardest parts of that has been choosing to
Speaker 3: enter into a period of loss and grief again, right,
Speaker 3: because I'm so tired, and it was very, very hard.
Speaker 3: At the end of last year, there was a lot
Speaker 3: of speculation around whether we had split. You know, we
Speaker 3: were being followed a bit to see if we were
Speaker 3: seen together, or whether we were wearing our wedding rings
Speaker 3: or anything. And I understand that that's part of being
Speaker 3: in the public eye, especially because we met in a
Speaker 3: public way. I do understand that, so I don't begrudge that,
Speaker 3: but it was very very hard while I was trying
Speaker 3: to come to terms with what was happening. Because Lee
Speaker 3: and I have made this decision together doesn't mean it
Speaker 3: makes me happy.
Speaker 4: It doesn't.
Speaker 3: I'm really really sad about it, and trying to process
Speaker 3: that myself.
Speaker 4: Was hard enough.
Speaker 3: Deciding to or knowing when was the right time to
Speaker 3: put it out there publicly, which no one should have to,
Speaker 3: and no we didn't have to, but we felt like
Speaker 3: that was the right thing to do. But that's not
Speaker 3: a reason to stay in something either.
Speaker 1: It was really hard to hear her breaking down so
Speaker 1: many times during this interview, but I think that a
Speaker 1: lot of people going through the same thing would take
Speaker 1: a lot from it. One thing that I wasn't aware
Speaker 1: of was just how quickly Georgia lost her mum following
Speaker 1: the airing of the Bachelorette. So her mum, Belinda, sadly
Speaker 1: passed away from pancreatic cancer, a day after the Bachelor
Speaker 1: finale aired. I just can't even comprehend how difficult that
Speaker 1: would have been for her, because she spoke about the
Speaker 1: fact that that year she had the highest of highs
Speaker 1: and the lowest of lows. When she said at the
Speaker 1: timing did ring a bell? I remember it was quite
Speaker 1: close to the finale and they actually had to cut
Speaker 1: her pressed to a short. So normally the Bachelorette and
Speaker 1: her partner would do this big press tour and talk
Speaker 1: to every radio station, but thankfully she didn't have to
Speaker 1: do that while she was grieving. It was clear that
Speaker 1: it was really special for Georgia that Lee got the
Speaker 1: opportunity to meet her mum before she passed away. But
Speaker 1: what I found really interesting was the fact that he
Speaker 1: first met her extended friends and family at her mum's funeral,
Speaker 1: And I think that just demonstrated what a special personally is.
Speaker 1: That this was the start of their relationship and he
Speaker 1: was able to support Georgia through this unimaginable grief that
Speaker 1: she was going through. And during the interview, she came
Speaker 1: to this realization that Lee has always been by her
Speaker 1: side during those really difficult times. Here's what she said,
Speaker 1: I've never.
Speaker 3: Had to go through a really hard period without him, yes,
Speaker 3: which I probably never thought about that really until just then.
Speaker 4: Happn't the first bad thing that ever happened to me
Speaker 4: was losing my mum. So give me a hand, oh
Speaker 4: my darling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that's a really hard part of
Speaker 3: this as well. We are helping each other through it
Speaker 3: as much as we can, but realistically there's obviously parts
Speaker 3: that we can't either. Yeah, it's hard. I've just never
Speaker 3: I never expected to be here.
Speaker 1: I actually cried during that bit. And then again when
Speaker 1: Georgia was speaking about how difficult it is going through
Speaker 1: the separation without her mom and just wishing that her
Speaker 1: mum was there. This is what she said.
Speaker 4: One thing I really have grappled with and that's been
Speaker 4: very difficult for me, is.
Speaker 1: The fact that Lee met mum.
Speaker 4: She was very, very sick he did, but she knew him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she died.
Speaker 4: Knowing I was with him.
Speaker 3: That I feel.
Speaker 4: Sad that she.
Speaker 3: Thought my life was going one way and it has
Speaker 3: that path has changed.
Speaker 1: I think it's so easy to go on social media
Speaker 1: and dehumanize people and forget that they are real people
Speaker 1: that go through things. And you look at Georgia Love
Speaker 1: and the nine years that she has been in the spotlight.
Speaker 1: She's had, as she said, the highest of highs, but
Speaker 1: also the lowest of lows. I mean, losing her mum
Speaker 1: and now going through a marriage breakdown publicly, and also
Speaker 1: her cancelation. I want to talk about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, Kate Lanebrook made a point of saying at the
Speaker 1: start of this episode that listeners would fall in love
Speaker 1: with Georgia, and I think that this interview has really
Speaker 1: given her the redemption arc that she needed because when
Speaker 1: she first appeared on the Bachelorette, she was incredibly popular.
Speaker 1: I think she was seen as being Australia's Sweetheart. Essentially,
Speaker 1: it was a great series. He had Maddie Jay who
Speaker 1: was runner up. Obviously Lee won the show. It was
Speaker 1: the golden time for the Bachelor and Bachelorette. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was such a feel good show. But then fast forward
Speaker 1: a couple of years in twenty two, one Instagram story
Speaker 1: changed the perception that many people had of Georgia. So,
Speaker 1: while she was working as a reporter at Channel seven
Speaker 1: in Melbourne, she posted a video of a cat sitting
Speaker 1: in the window of a Chinese restaurant and wrote shop
Speaker 1: attendant all lunch, alongside some crying face emojis, and instantly,
Speaker 1: George's post was widely condemned and slammed as being racist.
Speaker 1: I remember seeing the story and being like, did she
Speaker 1: mean to post that on close friends or was this
Speaker 1: a private message that has gone live to a story.
Speaker 1: It was just unbelievable and at the time, anti Asian
Speaker 1: hate campaigner Alissa Hoe described George's actions as reckless. She said,
Speaker 1: it makes me sick, just as much as it makes
Speaker 1: me genuinely sad to think people like her can so
Speaker 1: openly share things that completely disregard the harm they caused
Speaker 1: to the Asian community now. Georgia did immediately apologize for
Speaker 1: the offense that she caused and thanked her followers for
Speaker 1: calling her out and said that she would learn from
Speaker 1: this and do better now. As a result of the
Speaker 1: post and the backlash, Georgia actually ended up losing her
Speaker 1: at Channel seven. I didn't realize that. No, I didn't either.
Speaker 1: I was quite surprised when I heard her talking about
Speaker 1: it because I think a lot of people were calling
Speaker 1: out Channel seven saying that she needed to be fired,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know she actually did get fired.
Speaker 3: I hate the term canceled, but that's the term that
Speaker 3: people use a few years ago, and I lost my
Speaker 3: job after that.
Speaker 4: Why was this in twenty twenty one?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: Was this the cat? Yes? Picture the cat in the restaurant?
Speaker 5: Like this is so crazy to even say that is
Speaker 5: a sentence, But that lead to you losing your job?
Speaker 4: It did.
Speaker 3: I posted something on Instagram that I didn't realize on
Speaker 3: posting that would or could be taken as offensive. I
Speaker 3: was immediately called out on that and told that it
Speaker 3: was and was mortified. Immediately took it down and apologized,
Speaker 3: But I had upset and offended a lot of people.
Speaker 1: In that it is interesting to reflect on the timing
Speaker 1: of that incident. So it was at the end of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, when Sydney and Melbourne were in and
Speaker 1: out of lockdowns and there was this massive crackdown on
Speaker 1: influences and people holding them to account. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: when our podcast really took off. Yeah, it was at
Speaker 1: a time when everything felt very amplified online, and I
Speaker 1: think it was also due to the fact that the
Speaker 1: only news that was really out there was about COVID
Speaker 1: or about online indiscretions. Because no one was getting out
Speaker 1: and about, there wasn't much going on. Everyone was very angry,
Speaker 1: and Georgia said that this is why she thinks there
Speaker 1: was such a huge reaction to that incident. I mean,
Speaker 1: in saying that she did acknowledge that the timing didn't
Speaker 1: take away from the fact that she offended people, but
Speaker 1: she did say that she felt like there was an
Speaker 1: element where people were harsher on her because she's a
Speaker 1: journalist and should have known better. I mean, that was
Speaker 1: my mindset. I think she also said that people felt
Speaker 1: like it was a bit of a sport to condemn
Speaker 1: reality star contestants as well, so it was a bit
Speaker 1: of a mix. It was really interesting to hear her
Speaker 1: take on opinion pieces which were written about her at
Speaker 1: the time. She said that she was used as an
Speaker 1: example of the worst type of racism, and most of
Speaker 1: the commentary came from people that she didn't associate with.
Speaker 1: So I'm assuming that she's saying that those a journals
Speaker 1: that she hasn't crossed paths with before, because it would
Speaker 1: be really weird to be in the media and to
Speaker 1: know how they operate, but to then have your fellow
Speaker 1: peers writing about you. Well, from memory, I think it
Speaker 1: was someone from her newsroom or used someone that used
Speaker 1: to work with her that wrote this opinion piece on
Speaker 1: her slamming her, and she obviously wanted to put it
Speaker 1: out there that that person never reached out to her
Speaker 1: to discuss it privately.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: She essentially said that she wanted those people to tell her,
Speaker 1: face to face what she did wrong and give her
Speaker 1: ways to learn from it. I can't say I agree
Speaker 1: with her take there because I don't think it's up
Speaker 1: to people, particularly those from those marginalized communities, to give
Speaker 1: up their time to do so. They're giving up their
Speaker 1: time by putting their words into an article. I don't
Speaker 1: mean to sound like a pr statement, but you meant
Speaker 1: to put the time in to do that for yourself
Speaker 1: and work out what was wrong about it. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: don't expect others to do it for you. The thing
Speaker 1: that does make the story a little bit different from
Speaker 1: her perspective is that she did work in the meat,
Speaker 1: So maybe she felt like people should have given her
Speaker 1: the heads up that they were going to write about
Speaker 1: her and give her the respect of seeing where she
Speaker 1: was coming from. I think that's probably what she more
Speaker 1: meant to say, but maybe it didn't come across like that.
Speaker 1: She did say at the time she felt like public
Speaker 1: enemy number one and it really harmed her mental health
Speaker 1: for quite some time. She said it was a really
Speaker 1: difficult time for Lee as well, because he was trying
Speaker 1: to pick her up throughout it. He's how she said
Speaker 1: the cancelation changed her.
Speaker 3: If anything, that period has made me more guarded, not
Speaker 3: guarded about what I say, really guarded in myself.
Speaker 4: Put a lot of walls up from that.
Speaker 3: That period really damaged me and really has changed me
Speaker 3: as a person. Not my nature or my core, but
Speaker 3: the way I react to things or where my mind
Speaker 3: jumps to.
Speaker 4: You know, still to this day, if or when my
Speaker 4: boss calls me, my heart sinks and I go, oh God,
Speaker 4: what's happened. What's happened? I can't shake that.
Speaker 3: And you know, I've done work and I've moved on
Speaker 3: from that period in my life.
Speaker 4: But it really has changed me. It made me probably.
Speaker 3: Go inwards a lot more and be a bit more
Speaker 3: independent in myself because it's probably taught me that you
Speaker 3: can only rely on yourself everything you do and say
Speaker 3: you're the one that's accountable for Again.
Speaker 1: I really appreciated her insight into this cancelation because it's
Speaker 1: one of those things where you see it and then
Speaker 1: the news cycle moves and you forget about it, but
Speaker 1: you don't really know the long term effect it has.
Speaker 1: Ye particularly because it sounds like it did affect her
Speaker 1: marriage somewhat. And there I think there's been this whole
Speaker 1: idea lately that no one can truly be canceled, but
Speaker 1: I feel like in this case, she was because she
Speaker 1: copped the ultimate punishment. She lost her dream job, and
Speaker 1: it's severe impacted her mental health and also seemingly her
Speaker 1: relationship had changed her as a person. I suppose the
Speaker 1: word canceled means you know the show's over and there's
Speaker 1: no coming back from it, so people definitely are punished
Speaker 1: by their actions online, but there always is a bit
Speaker 1: of a redemption arc, and as you said earlier, I
Speaker 1: think that this interview is a great start for her return.
Speaker 1: It's time again for our Friday debrief and it always
Speaker 1: makes me think of those listeners who message saying that
Speaker 1: they eat McDonald's when they listen to the Friday episode.
Speaker 1: I let's get that out of my head. That was
Speaker 1: a happy moment for me. I felt like, Yeah, we've
Speaker 1: chosen the right day to release it, because there's nothing
Speaker 1: better than like I love when I associate a particular
Speaker 1: day with a podcast coming out, like it's almost your
Speaker 1: signal that the week is almost over, you're getting to
Speaker 1: the weekend. Yes, I'm glad that we can be that
Speaker 1: podcast for some people. Now I need some help from
Speaker 1: the listeners because it's five weeks out from my son
Speaker 1: Jack's birthday and I still haven't set a location for
Speaker 1: his birthday party. So he is a winter baby, and
Speaker 1: I'm finding that really difficult because I'd love to go
Speaker 1: down to a park and just set up a party
Speaker 1: there and have it really easy because I don't want
Speaker 1: to have it at my house after seeing you stress
Speaker 1: about your baby shower and you know, having to clean
Speaker 1: it all up, and I've got two golden retrievers there
Speaker 1: that are probably going to steal food from the state. Honest,
Speaker 1: the cleanup wasn't the worst bit. It was the fact
Speaker 1: that we had Reno's happening at the same time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of time, and the one
Speaker 1: thing I want to focus on is actually making a
Speaker 1: beautiful cake, making a few desserts, getting some nice decorations,
Speaker 1: and having a fun time. So I'm thinking I might
Speaker 1: have it at a pub, but then there's not a
Speaker 1: lot of space for the kids to crawl around and
Speaker 1: do stuff. And the shit thing about having it at
Speaker 1: a pub is do you have to then have a
Speaker 1: bar tab for everyone? Well, I think if it's a
Speaker 1: kid's birthday party, you don't. People aren't meant to be
Speaker 1: drinking at it. Well, my son is going to be
Speaker 1: a June baby too, And that is the shit thing
Speaker 1: about having a birthday in winter, because generally you could
Speaker 1: just go down to the park, you have a couple
Speaker 1: of their skis out, some soft drinks, like a barbecue,
Speaker 1: but this weather makes it difficult. Yeah, I want to
Speaker 1: know if anyone has any suggestions for a location, because
Speaker 1: I was looking into holes. They're also drab and they
Speaker 1: don't really look very nice. My husband was paying me out, saying, Oh,
Speaker 1: it's all for the grammar. I'm like, no, it's about
Speaker 1: the atmosphere going into a hole, you know, when it
Speaker 1: smells like kids, dirty feet, like the gym. I would
Speaker 1: offer my house to you as a bit of a
Speaker 1: venue so you don't have to clean up, But that
Speaker 1: potentially is the week that I'm going to be having
Speaker 1: my son, so I don't think that that would be
Speaker 1: the best idea. Well, if you're not here, I could
Speaker 1: just you know, set it up here. I have one
Speaker 1: last question though, to the listeners. I am tossing up
Speaker 1: between which cake to make in the Women's Weekly cookbook,
Speaker 1: so obviously Jack can't choose at this point. So the
Speaker 1: birthday party is going to be like Teddy Bear's picnic.
Speaker 1: There's a theme going around called berry First Birthday. So
Speaker 1: you're one of those basic bitches who's doing the Teddy
Speaker 1: Bear theme for your kid's birthday? Yes, i am. I
Speaker 1: decided that about six months ago that that's the theme.
Speaker 1: I wanted to do, not Lemons. I mean I loved
Speaker 1: out every leventh. No, it's not a citrus theme. Now
Speaker 1: there is a cake in the Women's Weekly Cookbook that
Speaker 1: is a teddy Bear. I might post it on our
Speaker 1: Instagram story. So I thought, well, do I do the
Speaker 1: teddy bear or do I do the iconic one? The
Speaker 1: one will probably save you a lot of time if
Speaker 1: you end up having to do it at your Well
Speaker 1: that's what my husband said. He goes, I'll just do
Speaker 1: the one because I'm scaredule stress too much about the
Speaker 1: teddy Bear, but that maybe want to do the teddy
Speaker 1: Bear even more. I don't know why we put all
Speaker 1: these pressure in ourselves, because then you end up not
Speaker 1: actually enjoying the lead up. I decided when I was
Speaker 1: having my in laws over to randomly make cinnamon scrolls,
Speaker 1: which I'd never made, and then over Easter I thought
Speaker 1: it was a good idea to make hool Cross buns
Speaker 1: from scratch. I feel like this is some weird nesting
Speaker 1: thing that's going on. Well, that's what I'm trying to do.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to eliminate the difficult job so I can
Speaker 1: focus on the ones that I want to do. Because
Speaker 1: one thing about having a baby that I've been looking
Speaker 1: forward to the most is organizing a birthday party. Look,
Speaker 1: I think number one thing is lollies, cheese platters, and
Speaker 1: getting some desserts from the bakery down the road. That's
Speaker 1: what I did for my baby shower. It was a
Speaker 1: godsend not having to make too much. Don't put too
Speaker 1: much on your plate. Just make the cake and order
Speaker 1: some extra food. Well that's why I'm thinking the pub
Speaker 1: because it's catered and then I just bring the cake
Speaker 1: and we don't have to clean up after. Oh, that
Speaker 1: sounds like a good option to me. I want to
Speaker 1: talk about my nurseries. So I thought that I was
Speaker 1: going to be one of those pregnant women who had
Speaker 1: it all organized months before. But you were giving me
Speaker 1: so much it about my nursery. Yeah, but it's because
Speaker 1: we've literally had so many other renos to do that
Speaker 1: this has been sort of the last one on our
Speaker 1: list because it's supposed to be the easiest. So this
Speaker 1: year we've done up our kitchen. We've also done up
Speaker 1: our laundry, We've done up our lounge rooms. Woman in
Speaker 1: a pursuit for making your home hotel, that's right, hotel handcot.
Speaker 1: We've done up our outside area. We've got a new deck,
Speaker 1: so this has really sick or deck deck. I mean
Speaker 1: it's a big deck, isn't it. It's really full and
Speaker 1: short though on our list of priorities. But the room
Speaker 1: currently is full of boxes. So I've got my cot
Speaker 1: and everything sorted. I've got like a dressing tab, I've
Speaker 1: got a lot of the things ticked off, but they're
Speaker 1: not made and the room is not ready. So over
Speaker 1: the weekend we are locking in a time to have
Speaker 1: carpet put in our bedrooms, which is going to be
Speaker 1: quite a task because then we're like where is everything
Speaker 1: in the room's going to go? But luckily our actual
Speaker 1: plan for the nursery are doing quite a simple one.
Speaker 1: I'm being a beige mum, so it's going to be
Speaker 1: a very vibrant white color and then I'm going to
Speaker 1: have a lot of browns and those sort of tones
Speaker 1: throughout the room. But I'm just so excited to have
Speaker 1: it done because I've been seeing all of these like
Speaker 1: nesting videos where mums put in all of the clothes
Speaker 1: and they sew all of the little essential items and
Speaker 1: the nappy caddies, and I really want to do all
Speaker 1: of that. I'm just feeling a bit stressed that it's
Speaker 1: not done. I mean, if you're not planning to do
Speaker 1: all of your feeds in the nursery, then I wouldn't
Speaker 1: stress too much about having it perfectly organized, because your
Speaker 1: baby doesn't end up sleeping in there overnight until way
Speaker 1: later on. But I feel like it's a safe space,
Speaker 1: at a calming space where you can do your feeds,
Speaker 1: you can do all of your changes. I just want
Speaker 1: to have it organized and I will put up a
Speaker 1: bit of a nursery to it once it is done.
Speaker 1: I have to put that out there and make myself accountable. Well,
Speaker 1: on that note, we better leave you to start your
Speaker 1: nesting journey now. This podcast was recorded on the traditional
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