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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the

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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sophie Torbah and coming up on today's show, Georgia Love

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Speaker 1: opens up for the first time about his split from

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Speaker 1: husband Lee Elliott, Shameless Media's Off Brand Interview and our

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Speaker 1: Friday Debrief But First, speculation is mounting that Tammy Hembro

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Speaker 1: and Matt Sakowski are on a break, with the couple

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Speaker 1: appearing to live in separate states. Kate, the Love Island contestant,

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Speaker 1: was missing from his step son Wolf's birthday celebrations. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for those playing at home, that's three special events in

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Speaker 1: three weeks, so Easter, Tammy's birthday, and now Wolf's birthday.

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Speaker 1: To be fair, Wolf's biological dad, Rhees Hawkins was also

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Speaker 1: missing from the celebration. This makes me feel so sorry

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Speaker 1: for Wolf because, if anything, it seems like he and

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Speaker 1: Matt have developed quite a special bond over the past year.

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Speaker 1: They seem to do a lot of boy activities together,

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Speaker 1: and it's clear that Wolf is really looking at him

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Speaker 1: as a father figure. I mean, he is his stepdad now,

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Speaker 1: and it's not why Tammy was hiding the fact that

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Speaker 1: he wasn't there. She documented the celebrations across her Instagram, TikTok,

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Speaker 1: and snapchat. She even shared vision of her setting up

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Speaker 1: the party by herself without her wedding rings on. You

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Speaker 1: could see she was very emotional in the lead up

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Speaker 1: to his birthday as well. He turned ten, and she

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Speaker 1: was talking about how he's always been that constant fixture

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Speaker 1: in her life. And I wonder if it's because she's

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Speaker 1: reflecting on some of her failed relationships that Wolf and

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Speaker 1: her kids have been there through all of it. Well, thankfully,

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Speaker 1: it seemed like Wolf had a good time despite Matt

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Speaker 1: not being there, and Tammy said Wolf had the best

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Speaker 1: day ever. So they went laser skirmishing and go karting,

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Speaker 1: and afterwards he cut cake at home alongside his mum,

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Speaker 1: his aunties, and younger cousins. Again, it was quite clear

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Speaker 1: that Matt wasn't there. Wolf was just such a sweetheart.

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Speaker 1: This is what he said to his family after they

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Speaker 1: brought out the cake, just making my birthday better. To

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Speaker 1: know where he's getting this English accent from. This is

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Speaker 1: a big point of discussion on TikTok. Everyone is like

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Speaker 1: he speaks so proper, He's so well spoken. Where did

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Speaker 1: this voice come from? It's definitely not a Gold Coast accent.

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Speaker 1: It is very sweet.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: That night, Tammy revealed she and Wolf were having a

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Speaker 1: Marvel movie marathon in her bed, making it even more

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Speaker 1: obvious that Matt wasn't there. Now, Matt also didn't wish

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Speaker 1: his steps On a happy birthday on Instagram, similar to

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Speaker 1: the way he ignored Tammy's birthday. He did, however, dedicate

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Speaker 1: a photo dump to his sister's Golden Retriever puppy, so

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Speaker 1: he shared five photos of him cuddling up to the

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Speaker 1: puppy at a local footy game in Melbourne. Now, this

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Speaker 1: post seemed to anger a lot of Matt's followers, and

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Speaker 1: it led to them asking what is going on? There

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Speaker 1: was a user called Meghan who asked why he wasn't

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Speaker 1: on the Gold Coast celebrating his steps On's birthday, to

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Speaker 1: which he replied, these photos were taken four weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: The woman then said, but you weren't in Tammy's snap

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Speaker 1: or anything for Wolf's birthday today, and he said, who

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Speaker 1: said I wasn't, Meghan? Focus on your own life now.

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Speaker 1: Matt ended up deleting those comments, but Megan had already

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Speaker 1: screenshot them and ended up uploading the exchange to her

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Speaker 1: own Instagram story. So on a Reddit thread, she explained

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Speaker 1: that she tagged as many people as possible, one of

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Speaker 1: those being Tammy Hembro, who ended up viewing the story. Now,

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Speaker 1: it seems like that public pressure caused Matt to then

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Speaker 1: upload a photo the following day of him and Wolf

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Speaker 1: sitting next to each other at a cafe with blue

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Speaker 1: love hearts. It does seem like the photo was an

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Speaker 1: old one though, and not from the recent celebrations.

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Speaker 1: I mean it tricked me because when I saw this

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Speaker 1: pop up on Sunday, I was like, oh, he must

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Speaker 1: have been there. But as you say, Kate, I think

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Speaker 1: it did look like an old photo. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: it was one from the archives. And I just feel

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Speaker 1: so sorry for Wolf in this situation because, as you

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Speaker 1: touched upon, Sophie, Tammy and Matt were very public about

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Speaker 1: how much Wolf adored Matt when they first got together,

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Speaker 1: this father figure around, especially with his dad living in Balley. Now.

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Speaker 1: Matt spoke at length on the Inherited podcast this week

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Speaker 1: a step dad, particularly considering his struggles with fertility. We

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Speaker 1: will discuss the full interview later on, but when he

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Speaker 1: was asked about what the key is to being a

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Speaker 1: supportive step parent, Matt said he liked to respect boundaries.

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Speaker 1: So he explained he doesn't like to intrude, but he

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Speaker 2: He then said this, but I keep a friendship with him,

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Speaker 2: like me and Wolf for best buds. Like honestly, he's

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Speaker 2: we watch movies together. I literally I'll go out or

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Speaker 2: go to the shop or something like I've got to

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Speaker 2: go do something and can come? Can I come? And

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Speaker 2: like literally like run and grabby shoes and me and

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Speaker 2: him will go like just out of the shop or

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Speaker 1: I have had that sentiment shared from a lot of

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Speaker 1: step parents who they don't want to overstep the boundary

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Speaker 1: and necessarily discipline someone else's kids, particularly when they're a

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Speaker 1: little bit older. It's nice to see that they clearly

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Speaker 1: have a strong bond, but again, it makes it even

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Speaker 1: worse that he wasn't there for Wolf's birthday. I mean,

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Speaker 1: surely it just proves there's a lot going on behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes. I mean, the Daily Mail is reporting that

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Speaker 1: sources close to the couple have firm that they have

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Speaker 1: quietly split, with Matt relocating back to Melbourne. So they

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Speaker 1: quoted a source of saying Matt and Tammy are on

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Speaker 1: a break. They're not saying it's over for good, but

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Speaker 1: for now they're taking time apart. They're both emotional people

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Speaker 1: and they've decided to put their marriage on pause for now. Look,

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Speaker 1: I usually call a bit of bullshit with The Daily

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Speaker 1: Mail's sources, but this feels bang on. Maybe they don't

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Speaker 1: necessarily have an actual source who said that, but they

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Speaker 1: have some sort of intel and this is the way

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Speaker 1: that they're telling this story.

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Speaker 1: Well, all of this is coming as Tammy Hembro continues

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Speaker 1: to appear on her social media without her engagement rings on.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've lost count at how many times Matt

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Speaker 1: and Tammy have unfollowed each other and refollowed each other.

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Speaker 1: But now Tammy's best friend has jumped in on the action.

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Speaker 1: So Isabella Law's also unfollowed Matt over the weekend. I

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Speaker 1: think Tammy and Matt have made the choice that they're

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Speaker 1: not going to continue the unfollowed, but clearly the friends

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Speaker 1: if you look at all their social media behavior, Matt

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Speaker 1: so it's almost like he's trying to say we're still together,

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Speaker 1: but then we haven't actively seen them in the same

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Speaker 1: the team and I listened to Matt's podcast this week

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Speaker 1: and he couldn't have made it any more obvious that

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Speaker 1: he's moved back to Melbourne. The saddest part is I

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Speaker 1: think he and Anna were trying to get people off

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Speaker 1: the set, but they failed miserably. So Matt brought up

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Speaker 1: how he'd received a bunch of messages off the back

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Speaker 1: about sharing that he went to the movies by himself,

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Speaker 1: and he referenced Tammy and her kids, saying, Oh, I

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Speaker 1: like to go to the movies with my partner and

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Speaker 1: a specific movie, I'll just go by myself. Well that

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Speaker 1: must be nice for him. I mean, Tammy's at home

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Speaker 1: Well, Anna then went on this spear about how she

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Speaker 1: then dropped this, in fact, you've been in my area

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I don't really talk about my work too.

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Speaker 2: So I've been working for my dad. So he obviously

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Speaker 2: on the Gold Coast FORUIM here and there. But he's

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Speaker 2: We found it was easier that way to like, you know,

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Speaker 1: Aren't they expanding to the GC?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so confused. I thought Matt apparently still worked

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Speaker 1: that mean he left his job to marry Tammy. Therefore,

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Speaker 1: So he's got to leave his wife and step kids

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Speaker 1: in order to keep everything together in this business. You

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Speaker 1: think he might reference the fact that, oh, you know,

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Speaker 1: Coast to see Tammy. Light there was no reference of her.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this pool company in question is called PJ.

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Speaker 1: Poul's and it has been a Matt's family for the

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Speaker 1: last fifty years. So his grandfather started it and his

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Speaker 1: dad ended up taking it over. Funnily enough, Matt has

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Speaker 1: been working at this business for years and years. He

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one assisting a team with their pool. Oh

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Speaker 1: I did hear an influencer updates. Again, I don't know

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Speaker 1: the validity of this, but someone sent in saying that

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Speaker 1: they continually see Matt at least four times a week

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Speaker 1: on a local Melbourne walking track. I actually seen that

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Speaker 1: He was incredibly cold, he had a beanie on. There

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Speaker 3: And he was.

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Speaker 1: Talking about how he was doing the camping out at

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Speaker 1: the MCG with entrepreneurs and I was like, you could

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Speaker 1: make it more clear mate, that you're not living on

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Speaker 1: have to talk about the Inherited podcast because, as you

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Speaker 1: he is unable to naturally conceive as he has no sperm.

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00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,080
Speaker 1: He is hopeful a surgery maybe able to help the situation,

435
00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,359
Speaker 1: but the result is unknown until he undergoes it again.

436
00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,240
Speaker 1: This was a section of the podcast where I felt

437
00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,280
Speaker 1: slightly sorry for Ruby because I had a bit of

438
00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:29,920
Speaker 1: a gig because it is a serious topic. But Matt

439
00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,840
Speaker 1: said something about, oh, yep, I've got no swimmers, and

440
00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:34,399
Speaker 1: it was just said in such a comical way that

441
00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:35,760
Speaker 1: it was almost a way that you share it with

442
00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,840
Speaker 1: another man, not necessarily a young girl who's interviewing you.

443
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

444
00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,040
Speaker 1: I think in that moment he didn't know quite how

445
00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,080
Speaker 1: to articulate himself. I do want to give him a

446
00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,280
Speaker 1: lot of praise, though, because it's not something we hear

447
00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,280
Speaker 1: men talk about, and he was very open about it.

448
00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,199
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think hats off to him on that regard.

449
00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,360
Speaker 3: I don't want to feel like I've let anyone down,

450
00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,560
Speaker 3: which is so silly, because it's not about anyone else,

451
00:19:58,640 --> 00:19:59,600
Speaker 3: It's just about us.

452
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,160
Speaker 1: Georgia Love has tearfully opened up for the first time

453
00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,840
Speaker 1: about her split from husband Lee Elliott. The former bachelorette

454
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,560
Speaker 1: admitted it feels weird calling him her ex husband, and

455
00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,840
Speaker 1: spoke candidly about the impact her twenty twenty one cancelation

456
00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,680
Speaker 1: had not only on her marriage, but her mental health.

457
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Speaker 1: So if this interview comes two months after the couple

458
00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,080
Speaker 1: announced their separation, yeah, it was back in early March,

459
00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,800
Speaker 1: so a couple of days before their upcoming fourth wedding

460
00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,000
Speaker 1: anniversary when Georgia and Lee confirmed the news, and they

461
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 1: had been growing speculation for quite some time that a

462
00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,960
Speaker 1: breakup announcement was on the cards. They hadn't been seen

463
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,080
Speaker 1: publicly together for four months, and they weren't wearing their

464
00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,520
Speaker 1: wedding bands. Also, Georgia was on a solo trip in

465
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 1: New York over Christmas, so everyone felt like something was

466
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 1: going on. In the background. Yeah, it was like we

467
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,320
Speaker 1: were just waiting for this statement to drop, and they

468
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,439
Speaker 1: did confirm it in a joint statement shared on their

469
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,000
Speaker 1: Instagram story, ruterating that there was no drama or bad bladen,

470
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,960
Speaker 1: that they had simply grown in different directions. There was

471
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,480
Speaker 1: a big emphasis put on the fact that they would

472
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 1: be remaining friends and had a lot of respect for

473
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Speaker 1: one another. I mean we see this a lot in

474
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,359
Speaker 1: statements put out by couples. Yeah, it is sort of

475
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:10,359
Speaker 1: the go to line.

476
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:10,640
Speaker 2: Now.

477
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,159
Speaker 1: There was a lot of sadness around this announcement because

478
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,240
Speaker 1: they were one of the Bachelor's biggest success stories and

479
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,639
Speaker 1: they seemed like such a solid couple. There were a

480
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,879
Speaker 1: lot of theories floating around at the time about what

481
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 1: actually caused the split. I know, we had a lot

482
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,159
Speaker 1: of people sliding into our DM saying it was x

483
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 1: Y and Z that caused the breakdown. I mean, no

484
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,280
Speaker 1: one knows what happens behind closed doors. I mean, one

485
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 1: thing that is clear is that everyone felt like they

486
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,399
Speaker 1: had this vested interest in the couple because we've watched

487
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 1: their love story unfold online and when it ends, you

488
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 1: feel like you deserve to know what happened. I think

489
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 1: also because they appeared so solid and to have the

490
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 1: perfect relationship, people then assume that something drastic has happened

491
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 1: in order for that split to happen. And we haven't

492
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 1: really heard either party really open up about the separation

493
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,639
Speaker 1: and how they're feeling until now. I mean, we have

494
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,200
Speaker 1: seen from Lee over the past couple of weeks some

495
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 1: firsts that. I mean, we're not complaining about the photos

496
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 1: that he's been uploading. He's been renovating his deck and

497
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 1: he kept big deck actually, Kate. Yeah, and there's a

498
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 1: lot of deck puns. I mean, he's known to like puns.

499
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 1: He and Georgia love used to do a lot of

500
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 1: puns on the Instagram stories together. Yeah, And I mean,

501
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's complaining that he's been getting his

502
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,439
Speaker 1: shirt off in the photos, but it seems like it's

503
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 1: a bit of a first trap for some new ladies

504
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 1: out there. That's the impression that I'm getting. It didn't

505
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 1: thrill me, and I wouldn't have been happy if I

506
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:26,399
Speaker 1: was Georgia.

507
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

508
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and those photos have led me to think what

509
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 1: is actually going on behind the scenes. This would be

510
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,920
Speaker 1: very difficult if you were Georgia seeing these posts, and

511
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,399
Speaker 1: she chose to open up for the first time about

512
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 1: her separation on Mom and Me as No Filter, where

513
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,639
Speaker 1: she spoke to Kate Langbrook. And I really think that

514
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: this was the perfect platform for her to open up on,

515
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 1: particularly because Kate was just so warm and sensitive during

516
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,440
Speaker 1: this interview. I love Kate Lanebrook. She is just like

517
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 1: a big, warm hug and when you listen, I mean

518
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,160
Speaker 1: I cried several times during this interview. I just loved

519
00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 1: how patient she was with Georgia. She wasn't pushed too

520
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,120
Speaker 1: much to get anything out, and that's why I think

521
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: we got so much from her. Yeah, she seemed to

522
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: have this genuine care for Georgia, almost like a motherly figure.

523
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: It's also interesting to note that Georgia works for Mama Mia.

524
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: She has had a podcast on the network for a

525
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 1: couple of years now called Everyone Has An Ex So

526
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: she realized that was a MUMA meter. So she probably

527
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 1: also felt confident that the interview would be respectful and

528
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: they wouldn't cross any lines or throw in any rogue questions.

529
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I did feel awkward the segue initially when

530
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 1: Kate said, I mean, you've got a podcast called Everyone

531
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: Has An Ex? And you have an ex. I was like, oh,

532
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 1: but then after it was dealt with such sensitivity. Yeah,

533
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 1: it was that comment that led Georgia to kind of

534
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: be at a loss to what she refers to Lee as,

535
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: let's have a listen to what she said.

536
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 5: When did you start to realize that you and lay

537
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 5: your beautiful husband ex husband ex husband?

538
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 4: Well not yet, really, I don't know.

539
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,120
Speaker 3: I don't know what you're still in that muddy Yeah,

540
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 3: we're agreed to separate, but where Yeah, there's certainly no

541
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 3: paperwork anything done or that takes a long time.

542
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 4: Anyway, I feel very weird calling him my ex husband.

543
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 4: He doesn't.

544
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 1: And this is also this made me feel as though

545
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: maybe this separation isn't final. Oh me too, I was like,

546
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: is this opening the door for some sort of reconciliar Yeah,

547
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: because she made a point of saying that they're still

548
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: very much ingrained in each other's lives and she is

549
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: never going to look back at their relationship as something

550
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: she completely moves on from. I mean, either it's the

551
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: fact that maybe she's leaving the door open, or potentially

552
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: it's so fresh that she just isn't able to even

553
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: move on at this point. It made me wonder if

554
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 1: it was Lee that was pushing the end of the relationship.

555
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: I mean, they said it was mutual, but it did

556
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: seem like she wanted to be back with him.

557
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

558
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: Well, she spoke very wistfully about the relationship and said

559
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: that they had this beautiful life together and it feels

560
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: like she's not really ready to close the door yet

561
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: on it. I enjoyed listening to Georgia speak on this

562
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,479
Speaker 1: podcast because I actually don't listen to her. Everyone has

563
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 1: an ex podcast. I only see her and social media,

564
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: which isn't the best platform for her. I don't think.

565
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 5: No.

566
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: I think this was a way better platform for her,

567
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: And it reminded me of why I liked her so

568
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: much when she was on The Bachelor. Yeah, because unfortunately,

569
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: I mean, she's the same age as us, we're millennials,

570
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: and I think she has looked at platforms like TikTok

571
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: and Instagram reels and thought, Okay, I've got to jump

572
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: on some of these trends. I've got to do comedic videos.

573
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 1: And I don't think that they're the best fit for

574
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 1: her because they're landing. Well, yeah, they're not landing. They

575
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: can be taken out of context, and I don't think

576
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: it's the true essence of who she is as a person.

577
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: She's very intelligent, That's what I took from this whole interview,

578
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: and it was very clear that she had the intelligence

579
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 1: to understand this intimacy that the public feel like they

580
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 1: have with her and Lee because everyone watched her fall

581
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 1: in love on TV. And she said that she understands

582
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: this sense of entitlement that the public have because they've

583
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: been very invested in her nine year love story. And

584
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: what really seemed to weigh heavy on her during this interview,

585
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 1: and something that I didn't even consider, was this sense

586
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 1: that she had let the public down due to this separation.

587
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 4: Is what she said, and I understand that.

588
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 3: So that's been a big part of what has been

589
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 3: difficult about making the public announcement that we have decided

590
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 3: to separate, because.

591
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 4: I don't want to feel like I've let anyone.

592
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 3: Down, which is so silly because it's not about anyone else.

593
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:25,719
Speaker 4: It's just about us.

594
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 3: But people have been so wonderful following our story along

595
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 3: since the start, and I feel sorry I'm getting teary

596
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 3: about this because it's so silly because it's not about

597
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 3: anyone else. But so many people say often that they

598
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:47,360
Speaker 3: look at our relationship and feel like that gives them hope, yes,

599
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 3: that they'll find their person. And really, yeah, I've been

600
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 3: very sad about feeling like I've let people down or

601
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 3: we've let people down very much.

602
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 4: Believe in love. Have not fallen out of love.

603
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 3: There has always been deep love there that I don't

604
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 3: want people to be disappointed.

605
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: Listening to this, I just thought it's clear that she's

606
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: a perfectionist, that she doesn't want to ever disappoint everyone.

607
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: She's an A grade student, she's always done well at

608
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: her career. Well, I think what her is that she

609
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: was not only breaking the illusion for other people, but

610
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: for herself. Yeah, because it would be hard admitting that,

611
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 1: whilst your relationship looked really perfect online, that you were

612
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: struggling and there were things going on behind the scenes.

613
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: It's almost like you're dropping this mask and it would

614
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: be feel very exposing. I know we've spoken our podcast

615
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: a little bit towards the end of last year about

616
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: whether Georgia and Ly were together, and it made me

617
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 1: feel bad when I heard Georgia talk about the toll

618
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: the public scrutiny took on her in saying that, though

619
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: she said she understood it because she's a journalist. Yeah,

620
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: And she also spoke about how tough it was to

621
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: actually decide when to go public with the news of

622
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: their separation.

623
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 3: Here's what she said, with Lee and I separating, one

624
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 3: of the hardest parts of that has been choosing to

625
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 3: enter into a period of loss and grief again, right,

626
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 3: because I'm so tired, and it was very, very hard.

627
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 3: At the end of last year, there was a lot

628
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 3: of speculation around whether we had split. You know, we

629
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 3: were being followed a bit to see if we were

630
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 3: seen together, or whether we were wearing our wedding rings

631
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 3: or anything. And I understand that that's part of being

632
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 3: in the public eye, especially because we met in a

633
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 3: public way. I do understand that, so I don't begrudge that,

634
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 3: but it was very very hard while I was trying

635
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 3: to come to terms with what was happening. Because Lee

636
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 3: and I have made this decision together doesn't mean it

637
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 3: makes me happy.

638
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 4: It doesn't.

639
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 3: I'm really really sad about it, and trying to process

640
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 3: that myself.

641
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 4: Was hard enough.

642
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 3: Deciding to or knowing when was the right time to

643
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 3: put it out there publicly, which no one should have to,

644
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 3: and no we didn't have to, but we felt like

645
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 3: that was the right thing to do. But that's not

646
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 3: a reason to stay in something either.

647
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: It was really hard to hear her breaking down so

648
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: many times during this interview, but I think that a

649
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: lot of people going through the same thing would take

650
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: a lot from it. One thing that I wasn't aware

651
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: of was just how quickly Georgia lost her mum following

652
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: the airing of the Bachelorette. So her mum, Belinda, sadly

653
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: passed away from pancreatic cancer, a day after the Bachelor

654
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: finale aired. I just can't even comprehend how difficult that

655
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: would have been for her, because she spoke about the

656
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: fact that that year she had the highest of highs

657
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: and the lowest of lows. When she said at the

658
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: timing did ring a bell? I remember it was quite

659
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: close to the finale and they actually had to cut

660
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: her pressed to a short. So normally the Bachelorette and

661
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: her partner would do this big press tour and talk

662
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: to every radio station, but thankfully she didn't have to

663
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: do that while she was grieving. It was clear that

664
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: it was really special for Georgia that Lee got the

665
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: opportunity to meet her mum before she passed away. But

666
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: what I found really interesting was the fact that he

667
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: first met her extended friends and family at her mum's funeral,

668
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: And I think that just demonstrated what a special personally is.

669
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: That this was the start of their relationship and he

670
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: was able to support Georgia through this unimaginable grief that

671
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: she was going through. And during the interview, she came

672
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,959
Speaker 1: to this realization that Lee has always been by her

673
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: side during those really difficult times. Here's what she said,

674
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: I've never.

675
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 3: Had to go through a really hard period without him, yes,

676
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 3: which I probably never thought about that really until just then.

677
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 4: Happn't the first bad thing that ever happened to me

678
00:30:54,720 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 4: was losing my mum. So give me a hand, oh

679
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 4: my darling.

680
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that's a really hard part of

681
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 3: this as well. We are helping each other through it

682
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 3: as much as we can, but realistically there's obviously parts

683
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 3: that we can't either. Yeah, it's hard. I've just never

684
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 3: I never expected to be here.

685
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: I actually cried during that bit. And then again when

686
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: Georgia was speaking about how difficult it is going through

687
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: the separation without her mom and just wishing that her

688
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: mum was there. This is what she said.

689
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 4: One thing I really have grappled with and that's been

690
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 4: very difficult for me, is.

691
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: The fact that Lee met mum.

692
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 4: She was very, very sick he did, but she knew him.

693
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, she died.

694
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 4: Knowing I was with him.

695
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 3: That I feel.

696
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 4: Sad that she.

697
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 3: Thought my life was going one way and it has

698
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: that path has changed.

699
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: I think it's so easy to go on social media

700
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: and dehumanize people and forget that they are real people

701
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: that go through things. And you look at Georgia Love

702
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: and the nine years that she has been in the spotlight.

703
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: She's had, as she said, the highest of highs, but

704
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: also the lowest of lows. I mean, losing her mum

705
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: and now going through a marriage breakdown publicly, and also

706
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: her cancelation. I want to talk about that.

707
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

708
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: Well, Kate Lanebrook made a point of saying at the

709
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: start of this episode that listeners would fall in love

710
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: with Georgia, and I think that this interview has really

711
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: given her the redemption arc that she needed because when

712
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: she first appeared on the Bachelorette, she was incredibly popular.

713
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: I think she was seen as being Australia's Sweetheart. Essentially,

714
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: it was a great series. He had Maddie Jay who

715
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: was runner up. Obviously Lee won the show. It was

716
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: the golden time for the Bachelor and Bachelorette. Yeah, it

717
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: was such a feel good show. But then fast forward

718
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: a couple of years in twenty two, one Instagram story

719
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: changed the perception that many people had of Georgia. So,

720
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: while she was working as a reporter at Channel seven

721
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: in Melbourne, she posted a video of a cat sitting

722
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: in the window of a Chinese restaurant and wrote shop

723
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: attendant all lunch, alongside some crying face emojis, and instantly,

724
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: George's post was widely condemned and slammed as being racist.

725
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: I remember seeing the story and being like, did she

726
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: mean to post that on close friends or was this

727
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: a private message that has gone live to a story.

728
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: It was just unbelievable and at the time, anti Asian

729
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: hate campaigner Alissa Hoe described George's actions as reckless. She said,

730
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: it makes me sick, just as much as it makes

731
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: me genuinely sad to think people like her can so

732
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: openly share things that completely disregard the harm they caused

733
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: to the Asian community now. Georgia did immediately apologize for

734
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: the offense that she caused and thanked her followers for

735
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: calling her out and said that she would learn from

736
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: this and do better now. As a result of the

737
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: post and the backlash, Georgia actually ended up losing her

738
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: at Channel seven. I didn't realize that. No, I didn't either.

739
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: I was quite surprised when I heard her talking about

740
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: it because I think a lot of people were calling

741
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: out Channel seven saying that she needed to be fired,

742
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: but I didn't know she actually did get fired.

743
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 3: I hate the term canceled, but that's the term that

744
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 3: people use a few years ago, and I lost my

745
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 3: job after that.

746
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 4: Why was this in twenty twenty one?

747
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 3: Yes?

748
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 4: Was this the cat? Yes? Picture the cat in the restaurant?

749
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 5: Like this is so crazy to even say that is

750
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 5: a sentence, But that lead to you losing your job?

751
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 4: It did.

752
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 3: I posted something on Instagram that I didn't realize on

753
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 3: posting that would or could be taken as offensive. I

754
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 3: was immediately called out on that and told that it

755
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 3: was and was mortified. Immediately took it down and apologized,

756
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 3: But I had upset and offended a lot of people.

757
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: In that it is interesting to reflect on the timing

758
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: of that incident. So it was at the end of

759
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, when Sydney and Melbourne were in and

760
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: out of lockdowns and there was this massive crackdown on

761
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: influences and people holding them to account. I mean, that's

762
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: when our podcast really took off. Yeah, it was at

763
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: a time when everything felt very amplified online, and I

764
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: think it was also due to the fact that the

765
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: only news that was really out there was about COVID

766
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 1: or about online indiscretions. Because no one was getting out

767
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 1: and about, there wasn't much going on. Everyone was very angry,

768
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: and Georgia said that this is why she thinks there

769
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: was such a huge reaction to that incident. I mean,

770
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: in saying that she did acknowledge that the timing didn't

771
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: take away from the fact that she offended people, but

772
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: she did say that she felt like there was an

773
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: element where people were harsher on her because she's a

774
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: journalist and should have known better. I mean, that was

775
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: my mindset. I think she also said that people felt

776
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: like it was a bit of a sport to condemn

777
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: reality star contestants as well, so it was a bit

778
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: of a mix. It was really interesting to hear her

779
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: take on opinion pieces which were written about her at

780
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: the time. She said that she was used as an

781
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: example of the worst type of racism, and most of

782
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: the commentary came from people that she didn't associate with.

783
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: So I'm assuming that she's saying that those a journals

784
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: that she hasn't crossed paths with before, because it would

785
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 1: be really weird to be in the media and to

786
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: know how they operate, but to then have your fellow

787
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: peers writing about you. Well, from memory, I think it

788
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: was someone from her newsroom or used someone that used

789
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: to work with her that wrote this opinion piece on

790
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: her slamming her, and she obviously wanted to put it

791
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: out there that that person never reached out to her

792
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: to discuss it privately.

793
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 3: Well.

794
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: She essentially said that she wanted those people to tell her,

795
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: face to face what she did wrong and give her

796
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: ways to learn from it. I can't say I agree

797
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: with her take there because I don't think it's up

798
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: to people, particularly those from those marginalized communities, to give

799
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: up their time to do so. They're giving up their

800
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 1: time by putting their words into an article. I don't

801
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: mean to sound like a pr statement, but you meant

802
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: to put the time in to do that for yourself

803
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: and work out what was wrong about it. Yeah, you

804
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: don't expect others to do it for you. The thing

805
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: that does make the story a little bit different from

806
00:36:58,239 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: her perspective is that she did work in the meat,

807
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: So maybe she felt like people should have given her

808
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: the heads up that they were going to write about

809
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: her and give her the respect of seeing where she

810
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: was coming from. I think that's probably what she more

811
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: meant to say, but maybe it didn't come across like that.

812
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: She did say at the time she felt like public

813
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: enemy number one and it really harmed her mental health

814
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: for quite some time. She said it was a really

815
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: difficult time for Lee as well, because he was trying

816
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: to pick her up throughout it. He's how she said

817
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: the cancelation changed her.

818
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 3: If anything, that period has made me more guarded, not

819
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 3: guarded about what I say, really guarded in myself.

820
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 4: Put a lot of walls up from that.

821
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 3: That period really damaged me and really has changed me

822
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 3: as a person. Not my nature or my core, but

823
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 3: the way I react to things or where my mind

824
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 3: jumps to.

825
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 4: You know, still to this day, if or when my

826
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 4: boss calls me, my heart sinks and I go, oh God,

827
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 4: what's happened. What's happened? I can't shake that.

828
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 3: And you know, I've done work and I've moved on

829
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:10,919
Speaker 3: from that period in my life.

830
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 4: But it really has changed me. It made me probably.

831
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 3: Go inwards a lot more and be a bit more

832
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 3: independent in myself because it's probably taught me that you

833
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 3: can only rely on yourself everything you do and say

834
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 3: you're the one that's accountable for Again.

835
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: I really appreciated her insight into this cancelation because it's

836
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: one of those things where you see it and then

837
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: the news cycle moves and you forget about it, but

838
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: you don't really know the long term effect it has.

839
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: Ye particularly because it sounds like it did affect her

840
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: marriage somewhat. And there I think there's been this whole

841
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: idea lately that no one can truly be canceled, but

842
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: I feel like in this case, she was because she

843
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: copped the ultimate punishment. She lost her dream job, and

844
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: it's severe impacted her mental health and also seemingly her

845
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: relationship had changed her as a person. I suppose the

846
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: word canceled means you know the show's over and there's

847
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: no coming back from it, so people definitely are punished

848
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: by their actions online, but there always is a bit

849
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: of a redemption arc, and as you said earlier, I

850
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: think that this interview is a great start for her return.

851
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: It's time again for our Friday debrief and it always

852
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: makes me think of those listeners who message saying that

853
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: they eat McDonald's when they listen to the Friday episode.

854
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: I let's get that out of my head. That was

855
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: a happy moment for me. I felt like, Yeah, we've

856
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: chosen the right day to release it, because there's nothing

857
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: better than like I love when I associate a particular

858
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: day with a podcast coming out, like it's almost your

859
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: signal that the week is almost over, you're getting to

860
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: the weekend. Yes, I'm glad that we can be that

861
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: podcast for some people. Now I need some help from

862
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: the listeners because it's five weeks out from my son

863
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: Jack's birthday and I still haven't set a location for

864
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: his birthday party. So he is a winter baby, and

865
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: I'm finding that really difficult because I'd love to go

866
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: down to a park and just set up a party

867
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: there and have it really easy because I don't want

868
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: to have it at my house after seeing you stress

869
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: about your baby shower and you know, having to clean

870
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: it all up, and I've got two golden retrievers there

871
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: that are probably going to steal food from the state. Honest,

872
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: the cleanup wasn't the worst bit. It was the fact

873
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 1: that we had Reno's happening at the same time. Yeah,

874
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of time, and the one

875
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: thing I want to focus on is actually making a

876
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: beautiful cake, making a few desserts, getting some nice decorations,

877
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: and having a fun time. So I'm thinking I might

878
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: have it at a pub, but then there's not a

879
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: lot of space for the kids to crawl around and

880
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: do stuff. And the shit thing about having it at

881
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: a pub is do you have to then have a

882
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: bar tab for everyone? Well, I think if it's a

883
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: kid's birthday party, you don't. People aren't meant to be

884
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: drinking at it. Well, my son is going to be

885
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: a June baby too, And that is the shit thing

886
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: about having a birthday in winter, because generally you could

887
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: just go down to the park, you have a couple

888
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: of their skis out, some soft drinks, like a barbecue,

889
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: but this weather makes it difficult. Yeah, I want to

890
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: know if anyone has any suggestions for a location, because

891
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: I was looking into holes. They're also drab and they

892
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: don't really look very nice. My husband was paying me out, saying, Oh,

893
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: it's all for the grammar. I'm like, no, it's about

894
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: the atmosphere going into a hole, you know, when it

895
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: smells like kids, dirty feet, like the gym. I would

896
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: offer my house to you as a bit of a

897
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: venue so you don't have to clean up, But that

898
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: potentially is the week that I'm going to be having

899
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: my son, so I don't think that that would be

900
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: the best idea. Well, if you're not here, I could

901
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: just you know, set it up here. I have one

902
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: last question though, to the listeners. I am tossing up

903
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: between which cake to make in the Women's Weekly cookbook,

904
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: so obviously Jack can't choose at this point. So the

905
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: birthday party is going to be like Teddy Bear's picnic.

906
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: There's a theme going around called berry First Birthday. So

907
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: you're one of those basic bitches who's doing the Teddy

908
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: Bear theme for your kid's birthday? Yes, i am. I

909
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: decided that about six months ago that that's the theme.

910
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: I wanted to do, not Lemons. I mean I loved

911
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: out every leventh. No, it's not a citrus theme. Now

912
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: there is a cake in the Women's Weekly Cookbook that

913
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: is a teddy Bear. I might post it on our

914
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: Instagram story. So I thought, well, do I do the

915
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: teddy bear or do I do the iconic one? The

916
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: one will probably save you a lot of time if

917
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: you end up having to do it at your Well

918
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: that's what my husband said. He goes, I'll just do

919
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: the one because I'm scaredule stress too much about the

920
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: teddy Bear, but that maybe want to do the teddy

921
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: Bear even more. I don't know why we put all

922
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: these pressure in ourselves, because then you end up not

923
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 1: actually enjoying the lead up. I decided when I was

924
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 1: having my in laws over to randomly make cinnamon scrolls,

925
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: which I'd never made, and then over Easter I thought

926
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,720
Speaker 1: it was a good idea to make hool Cross buns

927
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: from scratch. I feel like this is some weird nesting

928
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: thing that's going on. Well, that's what I'm trying to do.

929
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: I'm trying to eliminate the difficult job so I can

930
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: focus on the ones that I want to do. Because

931
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: one thing about having a baby that I've been looking

932
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: forward to the most is organizing a birthday party. Look,

933
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Speaker 1: I think number one thing is lollies, cheese platters, and

934
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: getting some desserts from the bakery down the road. That's

935
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: what I did for my baby shower. It was a

936
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: godsend not having to make too much. Don't put too

937
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: much on your plate. Just make the cake and order

938
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: some extra food. Well that's why I'm thinking the pub

939
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 1: because it's catered and then I just bring the cake

940
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: and we don't have to clean up after. Oh, that

941
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: sounds like a good option to me. I want to

942
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: talk about my nurseries. So I thought that I was

943
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 1: going to be one of those pregnant women who had

944
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 1: it all organized months before. But you were giving me

945
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: so much it about my nursery. Yeah, but it's because

946
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: we've literally had so many other renos to do that

947
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: this has been sort of the last one on our

948
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: list because it's supposed to be the easiest. So this

949
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: year we've done up our kitchen. We've also done up

950
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: our laundry, We've done up our lounge rooms. Woman in

951
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 1: a pursuit for making your home hotel, that's right, hotel handcot.

952
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: We've done up our outside area. We've got a new deck,

953
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: so this has really sick or deck deck. I mean

954
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: it's a big deck, isn't it. It's really full and

955
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: short though on our list of priorities. But the room

956
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: currently is full of boxes. So I've got my cot

957
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: and everything sorted. I've got like a dressing tab, I've

958
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: got a lot of the things ticked off, but they're

959
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: not made and the room is not ready. So over

960
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: the weekend we are locking in a time to have

961
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: carpet put in our bedrooms, which is going to be

962
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: quite a task because then we're like where is everything

963
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: in the room's going to go? But luckily our actual

964
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: plan for the nursery are doing quite a simple one.

965
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: I'm being a beige mum, so it's going to be

966
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 1: a very vibrant white color and then I'm going to

967
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: have a lot of browns and those sort of tones

968
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 1: throughout the room. But I'm just so excited to have

969
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: it done because I've been seeing all of these like

970
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: nesting videos where mums put in all of the clothes

971
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: and they sew all of the little essential items and

972
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: the nappy caddies, and I really want to do all

973
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: of that. I'm just feeling a bit stressed that it's

974
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: not done. I mean, if you're not planning to do

975
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: all of your feeds in the nursery, then I wouldn't

976
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: stress too much about having it perfectly organized, because your

977
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: baby doesn't end up sleeping in there overnight until way

978
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 1: later on. But I feel like it's a safe space,

979
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: at a calming space where you can do your feeds,

980
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: you can do all of your changes. I just want

981
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 1: to have it organized and I will put up a

982
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,959
Speaker 1: bit of a nursery to it once it is done.

983
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 1: I have to put that out there and make myself accountable. Well,

984
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Speaker 1: on that note, we better leave you to start your

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Speaker 1: nesting journey now. This podcast was recorded on the traditional

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Speaker 1: land of the Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. We

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Speaker 1: pay respect to Elder's past and present, and if you

988
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: do love the show, please make sure you are subscribed

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