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Speaker 1: Well, it's the week that was with a splash of

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Speaker 1: that was to raise money for this very worthy cause.

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Speaker 2: Now all the money raised.

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Speaker 1: Of course, is going to support camp Qualities, vital programs

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Speaker 1: bringing positivity, fun laughter as well to the kids and

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Speaker 1: their families when they need it most. And in the

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Speaker 1: from Sky News. Good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Matt today, Katie.

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Speaker 2: Lovely to have you on the show.

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Speaker 1: And we've got Robin Carl who is the Minister for Children, Families,

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Speaker 1: Trade and Business. Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Robert.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie. It's great to be back.

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Speaker 1: And Robert, I think you've joined us with a gift

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Speaker 1: that we can auction off as well.

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Speaker 3: Is that right I have? I've bought what I'm calling

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Speaker 3: a relaxed pack, so some wine, some glasses. I'm pretty

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Speaker 3: sure there's a candle in there, some chocolates and mum

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Speaker 3: brag moment I'm thrown in a copy of my son's

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Speaker 3: first published novel.

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Speaker 2: Oh how awesome.

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Speaker 1: Well, I tell you, what were you thinking about yourself

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Speaker 1: that relax pack, and Matt Cunningham as well.

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Speaker 2: We all probably need a relax definitely.

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Speaker 3: There's a fifty dollars gift fatchure in there too, just

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Speaker 4: What's the book about.

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Speaker 3: So it's a it's a fantasy novel. It's all about

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Speaker 3: an assassin with who uses magic. Yeah, it's a pretty good,

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Speaker 3: very cool. It's a pretty good read, vailable on Amazon

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Speaker 1: Well, look, if you are keen to score yourself that

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Speaker 1: this morning, so you can call through eight nine four

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Speaker 1: Selena Yubo. Good morning to you, Selena.

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Speaker 5: Good morning Katy and Selena.

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Speaker 1: I think you've got something that we're going to be

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Speaker 5: Yes, Katie, I've got a gift card for the Spirit

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Speaker 5: of Darwin, the Sunset Cruise. Everyone in Darwin loves the sunset.

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Speaker 5: We know how visitors do as well, so it's to

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Speaker 2: Oh sounds nice. I can do that. And the relaxed pack.

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Speaker 1: Got the weekend sorded for Camp poality.

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Speaker 2: Well, we will get into it.

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Speaker 1: We will certainly talk more about all of those wonderful

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Speaker 1: But it has been a massive week when it comes

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Speaker 2: Now Cabinet endorsing the appointment of mister.

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Speaker 4: Given how much angst there clearly was within the police

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Speaker 3: I think looking at all of the things that people

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Speaker 2: I mean, Selena, what do you make of it?

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Speaker 1: Do you think that Martin Dole is the right person

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Speaker 5: Thanks Katie, I congratulate Commissioner Dole in his appointment. I

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Speaker 1: You know. The thing I've found quite interesting over the

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Speaker 1: One thing I will say about Martin Dole is before

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Speaker 1: And you know, I sort of respect it when people

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Speaker 3: And I think you're absolutely right, Katie. He's demonstrated very

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not, And I can say that all of my

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Speaker 4: Nights. I have to get to three events in one night.

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Speaker 3: Your choice.

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Speaker 4: I don't need a why, and it's your choice to

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Speaker 3: Actually, it's around the corner driving all the time like

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Speaker 4: It's not look with respect, sorry, minister.

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Speaker 3: Well, I have to look. There will be a lot

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Speaker 4: Know, because it's a stupid culture that's ingrained in that

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Speaker 3: Exactly. I'll swat places with you for a week and

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Speaker 4: But I just want to say, it's like there's this

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Speaker 4: I know, but I don't think it should be here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Katie, I did the wrong thing. I'd reviewed those

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Speaker 4: Well, I think one thing we need is a copy

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Speaker 1: for a while. I understood that the former government had

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Speaker 1: like a cabinet handbook that they were supposed to adbide

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Speaker 1: by with some of those rules.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, is it the same for you guys, Robin.

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Speaker 3: There is a handbook which covers a whole range of things.

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Speaker 3: And as I said before, as my experience with using

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Speaker 3: this service when you need to use it, is that

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Speaker 3: everybody is really mindful of that and that they follow

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Speaker 3: the rules. And I'm kind of lucky because where I

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Speaker 3: live is in my electorate and where a lot of

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Speaker 3: ie you walk everywhere, so I will walk everywhere and

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Speaker 3: get called minister by random people in the street, which

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Speaker 3: really really freaks me out. I have told him to stop.

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Speaker 3: It's a really hard thing to break a habit that's

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Speaker 3: been in the in place for a long time. But

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Speaker 3: it's look, I think it's it's absolutely something that we're

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Speaker 3: all really aware of. And everybody that I've worked with,

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Speaker 3: everybody in a team, is very very aware of the

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Speaker 3: fact that what we do is funded by the taxpayer.

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Speaker 3: And I've always taken the approach in everything I've ever done,

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Speaker 3: in any role I've ever had if this was coming

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Speaker 3: out of my pocket, would I be spending this money

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Speaker 3: or would I be doing this thing. And that's that's

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Speaker 3: the philosophy that I believe my colleagues take as well.

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Speaker 4: Well, what are the rules around the use of.

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Speaker 3: The word You use it for work purposes.

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Speaker 4: It's just that that's the rule.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's the summation of it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right, So if you're going to so if you're

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Speaker 4: at Parliament, for instance, because one of the instances is

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Speaker 4: that you know the Chief Minister is at Parliament, there's

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Speaker 4: a CLP Party wing catch up at Fanny Bay Super Pizza.

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Speaker 4: She takes the card to super Pizza? Is that work purposes.

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Speaker 3: I've never actually attended a CLP Party wing at any event.

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Speaker 3: I've attended events with my parliamentary colleagues from time to time.

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Speaker 3: But it's work is work, and every time we step

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Speaker 3: out into the community, that's work.

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Speaker 5: Robert. If the example that Matt's just given was asked

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Speaker 5: to the Chief Minister yesterday, it was once parliament, I understand.

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Speaker 5: Once Parlament has finished on a Wednesday, the COLP go

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Speaker 5: out and have the team dinner and that's great, good

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Speaker 5: team bonding for them. Using the white car for that purpose,

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Speaker 5: that's a dinner that's after work and then traveling to

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Speaker 5: wherever after that backed home back to Parliament, whatever it

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Speaker 5: is that would be counted as a personal event, which

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Speaker 5: is similar to my example which I left Parliament nine

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Speaker 5: pm on a Tuesday night, went and had dinner, and

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Speaker 5: then continued on to my accommodation. So I've paid that

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Speaker 5: trip back because I recognize there is that blurred line

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Speaker 5: between finishing work, getting home and then having a meal

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Speaker 5: in between, which is why I was up front and

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Speaker 5: spoke about that. The Chief Minister flat out denied that

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Speaker 5: yesterday when she was asked by several media outlets in

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Speaker 5: the press conference. So how does that give territorians comfort

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Speaker 5: if there's one rule for one person and a rule

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Speaker 5: for everybody else. And it goes to Matt's point he

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Speaker 5: just made earlier about leadership, about asking and answering questions,

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Speaker 5: responding in difficult and uncomfortable times to be able to

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Speaker 5: provide that information and be upfront with Territorians and Leifanocchiari

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Speaker 5: did not do that yesterday.

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Speaker 3: I can't. I'm not going to speak on behalf of

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Speaker 3: the chief minutes, so that would be highly inappropriate. All

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Speaker 3: I can say, I just.

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Speaker 5: Did you said, all of your colleagues that are very

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Speaker 5: aware of being able to do the right thing. You've

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Speaker 5: just done that. You've done a blanket conversation or comment.

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Speaker 3: We are all aware of you.

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Speaker 5: You're all aware has been asked individually, she has said

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Speaker 5: something that contradicts what is in black and white about

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Speaker 5: her travel. You've now spoken to you about it yourself,

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Speaker 5: which is great, But then you've made a blanket comment

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Speaker 5: for the rest of your colleagues who have not come

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Speaker 5: up and been upfront and answered any of the comments

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Speaker 5: that are being asked by any of our territory outlets

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Speaker 5: and media to provide certainty to territorians that there hasn't

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Speaker 5: been a similar type of mistake made by them.

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Speaker 3: So again, as far as I'm aware, and I haven't

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Speaker 3: spoken to the Chief Minister about anything, I didn't hear

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Speaker 3: any of the conversation that you're talking about. As far

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Speaker 3: as I'm to my knowledge to in my experience, everybody

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Speaker 3: is well aware of the rules and everybody absolutely complies

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Speaker 3: with the rules.

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Speaker 1: Look, I would say, in fact, to both sides of politics,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think you'd both be pretty hard pressed

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Speaker 1: to not find members of your team who haven't used

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Speaker 1: the car inappropriately.

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Speaker 2: To be really frank about.

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Speaker 1: It, and if this isn't the notice that everybody needs,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know what is and Selena, same goes

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Speaker 1: on your side, Robins, same goes on your side. I

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Speaker 1: think that everybody needs to be really aware that the

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Speaker 1: public do not think it's appropriate if you are not

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Speaker 1: using that vehicle for work purposes. And that's been made

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Speaker 1: very very clear to me this week. But look, we're

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Speaker 1: going to have to take a really quick break. You

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Speaker 1: are listening to Mix one oh four nine's three sixty

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Speaker 1: eties the week that was, Well, if you have just

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Speaker 1: joined us, see it is the week that was, but

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Speaker 1: it's also Camp Quality Radio Auction Day and we are

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Speaker 1: currently sitting at ten thousand dollars all ready raised and

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Speaker 1: we'll be talking more about that after the week that was.

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Speaker 2: But if you've just joined us this morning, we've got.

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Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham, Robin Carl and Selena Ubo on the show. Now,

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Speaker 1: as I've been saying, it's been a very busy week

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Speaker 1: when it comes to different political announcements, etc. And earlier

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Speaker 1: this week we found well, we learn that new measures

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Speaker 1: are going to be introduced to whole parents accountable for

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Speaker 1: not sending their children to school. Now from term four

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Speaker 1: parents who consistently fail to get kids to school, they're

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Speaker 1: going to be referred for income management. Minister for Education

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Speaker 1: Joe Hersey saying children who regularly miss out on school

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Speaker 1: are more likely to become disengaged and fall into crime

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Speaker 1: and anti social behavior. Now the School Attendance Team's going

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Speaker 1: to lead the approach focusing on parents and careers of

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Speaker 1: students who've been absent from school for twenty days or more. Now,

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Speaker 1: Robin king to ask you, I mean, as the minister

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Speaker 1: who's got the portfolio of children and families, from your

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Speaker 1: experience in your role, how many kids have we got

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Speaker 1: not going to school because of neglect?

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Speaker 3: I think one of the biggest challenges in this space

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Speaker 3: is that kids not going to school usually is linked

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Speaker 3: to things that are happening in the home, and it's

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Speaker 3: often violence, alcohol, you know, just a whole overcrowding, dysfunction,

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Speaker 3: and it's linked to the fact that they don't get

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Speaker 3: a good night's sleep, they're hungry, they are out on

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Speaker 3: the street kind of getting away from whatever's going on

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Speaker 3: at home. And we've certainly are taken the approach in

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Speaker 3: children's and families in those situations. Income management is one

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Speaker 3: of the ways we actually will deal with that because

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Speaker 3: it's a way of ensuring that well we move it

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Speaker 3: from fifty percent to seventy percent, that the baseline requirements

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Speaker 3: that you would expect a parent to give a child

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Speaker 3: of a roof over your head, a safe place to sleep,

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Speaker 3: and food on the table, that that money can only

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Speaker 3: be spent on that. So it's a strong message to

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Speaker 3: those families. And we're dealing with young parents often or

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Speaker 3: parents who haven't really had that parent role model. So

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Speaker 3: we're trying to unwind a situation where often people aren't

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Speaker 3: of they really don't get what being a parent is

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Speaker 3: all about, and it's an entry point to be able

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Speaker 3: to do that. I think we've found that income management

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Speaker 3: can work quite well because it changes the discussion and

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Speaker 3: the dynamic in that situation.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess at different times we've sort of

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Speaker 1: seen different iterations of this hues before or haven't we

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Speaker 1: Has it been effective in the past, I mean, Matt,

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Speaker 1: you've been around the territory for a long time. I

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Speaker 1: know you've reported on this kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think you know the basics card is something

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Speaker 4: that you know, I don't want to speak for an

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Speaker 4: Aboriginal woman because I'm not one, but I think that

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Speaker 4: my understanding that there's a lot of Aboriginal women in

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Speaker 4: Selena will have a better view of.

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Speaker 3: This than me.

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Speaker 2: But who.

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Speaker 4: Think that the basics card has been helpful in some

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Speaker 4: ways because it's meant that at least fifty percent of

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Speaker 4: that money is quarantined to be used on you know,

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Speaker 4: everyday necessities and can't be spent on alcohol or gambling

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Speaker 4: or other things. So, you know, And I know that

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Speaker 4: there was sort of a review that the federal government

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Speaker 4: was doing during its last term about that, and I

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Speaker 4: know that Marian Scrimminger took Amanda Rishworth for a walk

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Speaker 4: around the town camps of Alice Springs and quickly changed

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Speaker 4: her mind on, you know, whether income management should be

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Speaker 4: abolished altogether. So I know it's a difficult space when

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Speaker 4: it comes to the school attendance thing. You know, I've

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Speaker 4: seen some criticism of the government sort of saying, oh,

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Speaker 4: you know, this will mean kids will go hungry or

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Speaker 4: you know, blah blah blah. I think I think that's

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Speaker 4: a bit misguided one because usually when kids go to school,

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Speaker 4: especially if they're from a home where they might not

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Speaker 4: be getting a decent meal or three decent meals every day.

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Speaker 4: Those kids are often fed at school fed. And the

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Speaker 4: other thing I would say is that we're not talking

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Speaker 4: about taking money away from these people. We're just saying

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Speaker 4: that that money will need to be spent on necessities

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Speaker 4: for your family and your children rather than on other things.

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Speaker 3: And the income management space changes the dynamic of the

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Speaker 3: control of the money, so it's not the woman, for example,

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Speaker 3: is often the person who cops the flag. They're the

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Speaker 3: one who they didn't make the decision. Government's done this.

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Speaker 3: It changes the big bad wolf if you like, to

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Speaker 3: somebody outside of the family unit, and certainly the families

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Speaker 3: that we've been involved with where we've implemented this, and

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Speaker 3: it's interesting. It has been in for a long time.

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Speaker 3: I think the basic card, which is that's generic fifty

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Speaker 3: to fifty. Where we've escalated or wanted to escalate to

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Speaker 3: say seventy percent, where we've found homes where it's really

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Speaker 3: really challenging. There hasn't been a lot of willingness at

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Speaker 3: that higher federal level to progress that. But we're making

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Speaker 3: some inroads, which is really great. They're starting to understand

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Speaker 3: just how important it is and how when you go

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Speaker 3: to a community, and you've got babies who are now

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Speaker 3: being branded as growth faltering as opposed to failure to thrive,

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Speaker 3: because apparently that's a really negative term, and there's a

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Speaker 3: reason for that. Income management can help sort that out,

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Speaker 3: because that money can then be directed to actually feeding

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Speaker 3: those kids and keeping those kids healthy.

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Speaker 1: Selena, I know I asked you about this earlier in

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Speaker 1: the week. You'd certainly raise some concerns.

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Speaker 2: You know, what is your take? Do you think that

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Speaker 2: this is the wrong move?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Katie, though I did speak earlier in the week

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Speaker 5: about this, I feel quite passionately about education, and I

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Speaker 5: think obviously the electorate that I represent with Anna and

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Speaker 5: I've got very strong refeaces from people who are very

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Speaker 5: confused and understanding why this particular policy will be implemented

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Speaker 5: rather than people going and doing that work with families

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Speaker 5: that need that extra support. I agree with half of

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Speaker 5: what Robin said earlier around the reasons. Of course, don't

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Speaker 5: agree with using income management as a form of punishment

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Speaker 5: and a per unitive approach when it comes to supporting

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Speaker 5: our kids to get to school across the territory and

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Speaker 5: supporting families and carers. I think this demonizes the education

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Speaker 5: system because it puts the negative light on education. I

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Speaker 5: think it needs to be a positive light. From my

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Speaker 5: experience and my belief as well, I think there needs

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Speaker 5: to be a lot more work done. We did talk

655
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Speaker 5: earlier in the week, Katie. I don't want to recycle

656
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 5: my comments, but some of the the policy that has

657
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 5: been recycled by the COLP didn't work in the past,

658
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Speaker 5: and I find it quite confusing as why they think

659
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 5: it'll work now. I have not seen one single document

660
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 5: that provides detail. I've been asking for it, that provides

661
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 5: detail around the formulation or the calculation of what the

662
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 5: income management would look like. So if Robin said that

663
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Speaker 5: you know this is already being used and there's been

664
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Speaker 5: some great results, then very keen to ask her and

665
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 5: her team for that documentation around how is this calculated,

666
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 5: who's implementing how is it being implemented, because I don't

667
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 5: believe that there is that level of detail, and I

668
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 5: need to be able to tell my constituents that that's

669
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Speaker 5: what the government is implementing, and I can't even provide

670
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Speaker 5: any of that detail to them.

671
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Speaker 3: So I'm going to throw a little bit of a

672
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Speaker 3: bucket of water on that. Sorry, Selena. I'm a fair

673
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 3: bit older than Selena, and so I've been around for

674
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,719
Speaker 3: about one thousand years now. And back in the been

675
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 3: nineties there was a some work done where some consultation,

676
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 3: a lot of consultation happened in remote communities where the

677
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 3: women in those communities were begging for the old family

678
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 3: allowance to be linked to school attendance because they were

679
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 3: similar to the situation we're in now, looking after the

680
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 3: grand kids because their kids had just basically dropped the ball.

681
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 3: It took a lot of work and we eventually got

682
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Speaker 3: the federal government to agree to that, and we saw

683
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Speaker 3: an absolute escalation in the late nineties, early two thousands

684
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 3: of kids attending school. And if you talk to Saint

685
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 3: John's College, they will say that was their peak. They

686
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 3: were full. They had kids at school because the parents

687
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 3: couldn't get that family allowance unless their kids were at school.

688
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Speaker 3: And it worked really, really well. It fell apart when

689
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Speaker 3: I think it was under the Rudd government. They changed

690
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Speaker 3: the way in which those allowances were paid and made

691
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Speaker 3: it very complicated. So it does work. There is a

692
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Speaker 3: way to do this, and it's not the first step.

693
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Speaker 3: It's the thing that happens after all other things have failed.

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Speaker 1: Well, and look, we also learned this week there's a

695
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Speaker 1: new initiative launch that's going to see Aboriginal Liaison Officers

696
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Speaker 1: placed in territory schools. That program's going to deploy forty

697
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Speaker 1: alos over four years to provide culturally appropriate responses to

698
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Speaker 1: school and community issues. And the alos are going to

699
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Speaker 1: work closely with students, families, and teachers to provide support

700
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Speaker 1: on issues that impact students well being and attendance. I

701
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: saw a bit of yarn on the ABC News last

702
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Speaker 1: night and a couple of those alos speaking on the news,

703
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Speaker 1: and they seem pretty excited about the job. You know,

704
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Speaker 1: obviously it's early days. Look, I'm really hopeful that any

705
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Speaker 1: changes can actually make a difference because I just believe

706
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Speaker 1: that education, much like sport, much like you know, kids

707
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Speaker 1: having an interest in the arts or whatever it may be,

708
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: that it can give you purpose in life. So if

709
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Speaker 1: you can get kids to school, if they can be

710
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: enjoying school, if they can have a pathway, and you

711
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: know see that other people besides their parents believe in them,

712
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Speaker 1: I think it's such. You know, it is an absolute

713
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Speaker 1: essential for every child, no matter where you come from.

714
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Speaker 1: So for me, I am ever hopeful that these changes

715
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Speaker 1: will make a difference. And I don't think that we

716
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Speaker 1: can just continue on the same part that we're on

717
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: and not ever change anything or try things differently if

718
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Speaker 1: it's not working.

719
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Speaker 3: What did Einstein say? The definition of insanity is doing

720
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 3: the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

721
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Speaker 3: The reality is.

722
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Speaker 5: Exactly what you guys are doing with the management.

723
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,240
Speaker 3: The result, the absolute result is that and it's working, Selena.

724
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 3: As I just explained, back in the dark, dim dark ages,

725
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 3: it had fantastic results when family allowances were linked to

726
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 3: school attendance thirty years ago.

727
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Speaker 4: Thirty we're not the dim dark ages.

728
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Speaker 5: Years ago. You do your job, you're a minister. Now,

729
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 5: what are you doing now?

730
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 4: Yes?

731
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 5: So the engagement now.

732
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Speaker 3: So I think the ALO program is fantastic because one

733
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 3: of the things that the only way we're going to

734
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 3: change behavior in communities is to get communities to actually

735
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,280
Speaker 3: take control of the situation and to actually work together

736
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Speaker 3: to make this happen. And having aboriginal liaison offices working

737
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 3: in communities, working with families, working with the kids, getting

738
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Speaker 3: to understand just how important going to school is. And again,

739
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 3: this is a well, this is a flick back to

740
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Speaker 3: I think it was a labor government initiative in the

741
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 3: early two thousands where there were people who used to

742
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 3: go around in communities who were Aboriginal. They went called

743
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 3: alos then, but they were people from the communities who

744
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 3: lived in the communities, and that was their job. They

745
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 3: went around, they talked to families, they talked to kids. So,

746
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 3: you know, you can't. I think it's a great thing.

747
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. There's things that have dropped off over time,

748
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Speaker 3: and I have a philosophy that works. We stop it.

749
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Speaker 4: The remote school attendance strategy teams still exist, Yeah, I.

750
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Speaker 3: Think so them do so. Yeah. I think anything where

751
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 3: you can actually sit down with the community and really

752
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 3: work with them intensively and have people who are from

753
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 3: the communities understanding what's going on in that community working

754
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 3: to make that happen. There's not a one simple thing

755
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 3: that's going to address this issue. We cannot have situations

756
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 3: continue where we've got kids who never go to school

757
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 3: and kids who if we get them their fifteen percent

758
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 3: the time, we think that's great, because it's not.

759
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Speaker 1: Look, we're going to take a quick break. You are

760
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: listening to mix one oh four nine's three sixty eight

761
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: is the week that was currently sitting at ten thousand

762
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: dollars in the Camp Quality Radio auction. Before we wrap

763
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 1: up for the morning, I'm keen to just talk quickly

764
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Speaker 1: about the Alice Springs Aboriginal Art Gallery. We know that

765
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Treasurer well sort of giving the federal

766
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: government a bit of an ultimatum earlier in the week

767
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,479
Speaker 1: saying it will the Federal government he reckoned, was saying

768
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Speaker 1: that it wouldn't happen. Well, they wouldn't support the proposed

769
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Speaker 1: multimillion dollar Aboriginal Torres Strait Islander Art Gallery and Alice

770
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Speaker 1: Springs in its current design and location. Now, I spoke

771
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Speaker 1: to Catherine King on the show yesterday.

772
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 2: She said to me, you.

773
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: Know, from her perspective, what had happened is funding It

774
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: obviously been committed to by the federal and the then

775
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: Northern Territory government. The scope and location had been agreed

776
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: upon with the former Labor government. Then, of course the

777
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: cop was elected, the scope and the location had changed.

778
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Speaker 1: She said she found it a very interesting negotiating tactic

779
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: for the Treasurer Bill Yan to then be coming to

780
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: her and saying, well, you've got to meet this deadline

781
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Speaker 1: when she's the one holding the purse strings.

782
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm paraphrasing her there.

783
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Speaker 1: But look, I thought it was interesting as well, and

784
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: I actually thought to myself, is an authern Territory government

785
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: actually just trying to get out of this project and

786
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: wanting to blame the feeds for it?

787
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 3: Robin, Look, I think let's just get a couple of

788
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 3: the facts straight first. Okay, So, yes, there was an

789
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 3: agreement by the previous government with the Labor government for

790
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 3: location and design, and that design was scope to cost

791
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty million dollars and that's the available funding.

792
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 3: When we came into government we found that the cost

793
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 3: had blown out to three hundred million dollars. There was

794
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 3: a conversation my I'm advised with the Treasurer and the

795
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 3: Prime Minister was involved at some point is there more

796
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 3: money available? The answer was no, which is fair enough

797
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 3: because there was an agreement reached. So either we could

798
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 3: be fiscally irresponsible and continue to build a project probably

799
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 3: would have by now blown out to four hundred million dollars,

800
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 3: or we could go how can we do this within

801
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 3: the budget. And we also had made the commitment to

802
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 3: the Alice Springs community that we would not basically get

803
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 3: rid of something that was an iconic sporting location for them.

804
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 3: So the location hasn't really changed significantly. It's just moved

805
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 3: slightly sideways, and the project has been scoped to budget.

806
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 3: So what we've been waiting for for quite some months

807
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 3: now is advice from the federal government as if they

808
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,439
Speaker 3: would accept the new scope within budget. So either they're

809
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 3: telling us they want us to be fiscally irresponsible, or

810
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 3: we're just saying we want to do this, but we

811
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 3: can't do it with the funds that were available to there.

812
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: Go and sit down, or why not give Catherine King

813
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: a call instead of issuing a pressure release saying she's

814
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: got to come back to us by this time of

815
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: the day.

816
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 3: Well, my understanding is there's been many conversations and everybody's

817
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 3: still waiting for an answer, and it has been it

818
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Speaker 3: has been several months now that we've been waiting for

819
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 3: that answer. So we need to know because we need

820
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 3: to go ahead because, as everybody knows, if it drags

821
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,959
Speaker 3: out longer, we're not even going to have enough money

822
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 3: to do the scope that we've now done.

823
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 2: So Selena, I mean, what do you make of this.

824
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: Obviously, Unfortunately, there's quite a bit of history of labor

825
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: not really managing projects and sticking to budget.

826
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Speaker 2: I mean I can think of a few off the

827
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 2: top of my head.

828
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: But you know, is that the situation here should you

829
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: guys have been a little bit more careful about what

830
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: you're promising.

831
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Speaker 5: Katie, I think the biggest disappointment here is that Central Australia,

832
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 5: particularly Alice Springs, is looking more and more likely to

833
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 5: be missing out on this game changing project. I think

834
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 5: there was years of ups and downs that negotiations around

835
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 5: that particular project, around the land tenure, around the positioning,

836
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 5: around the scope and scale the design. There was an

837
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 5: advisory committee, There was lots of conversations across the Ala

838
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 5: Springs community, from industry, from community members, from traditional owners,

839
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 5: you know, for against everything in between. And I think

840
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 5: ultimately people want to see a project of scale in

841
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 5: Alice Springs because of that economic opportunity more and more

842
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 5: now with the downscaled pretty pitiful you know, downscaled project

843
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,439
Speaker 5: that the CLP has proposed, like all the hard work

844
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 5: was done, all the government needs to do is to

845
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 5: build it. Now they've missed that opportunity you can't.

846
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 3: Build a project, you speak, that's going to cost three

847
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 3: hundred million dollar. I mean, that's the bottom of mine.

848
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 5: You know, Robin, you just had a nice little spill

849
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 5: without me interrupting you. So please provide me with the

850
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 5: same type of respect Alice Springs. Ultimately, now Katie is

851
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 5: going to miss out and more and more. It looks

852
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 5: like this is the tactic of the CLP to run

853
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 5: away from the project and to leave the people of

854
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 5: our springs high and dry.

855
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: And I guess this is where people have got a

856
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 1: choice though, you know, is it a situation where you go, okay,

857
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: we simply can order afford this, you know, or we

858
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: go ahead and we end up in a situation like

859
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 1: we're in with the ship lift. I mean, I think

860
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: we've got to be responsible with taxpayers money. However you

861
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 1: look at it, I actually think the project should go ahead.

862
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: You know, it is something that tourism operators want to

863
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: have happened. But we can't spend money like we're playing monopoly.

864
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: We have to actually, you know, make sure that we

865
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: are spending it appropriately and you know, doing things within

866
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: budget and doing things to the scale that we can afford.

867
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Speaker 3: That Look, this is a project that can go ahead.

868
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 3: And I would have thought that the most practical thing

869
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 3: that the labor opposition could be doing here is lobbying

870
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 3: their federal counterparts to say, can you please get a

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Speaker 3: decision out of government about the new scope. We are

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Speaker 3: not going to commit to a project that we do

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Speaker 3: not have the money to fund unless the federal government

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Speaker 3: are prepared to pitch in the difference. And the advice

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Speaker 3: is that that's not the case. This project can go ahead,

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Speaker 3: but we need an answer, and we need one now. Well.

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Speaker 1: Look, unfortunately we're going to have to leave the politics there,

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Speaker 1: fortunately or unfortunately, I guess it depends. You know how

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Speaker 1: you're feeling this morning, because it is Camp Quality Radio

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00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,879
Speaker 1: ops and I simply cannot let you two ladies leave.

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Speaker 1: Matt's already had to run off, He's had to go

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Speaker 1: and do another interview. So big thanks to Matt Cunningham

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Speaker 1: from Sky News for joining us on the show. But

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Speaker 1: I cannot let you to leave without talking once more

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Speaker 1: about the wonderful auction items that you have kindly donated

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Speaker 1: for the Camp Quality Radio auction, because we want to

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Speaker 1: bring in as much money as we can. Robin Old,

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Speaker 1: go to you first, tell us more about what you've

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Speaker 1: bought in and you know what, we might expect people

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Speaker 1: to pay for it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so it's a relaxed pack. It's a nice little

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Speaker 3: bottle of wine that has actually been signed by my colleagues.

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Speaker 3: So you might not want to open it. You might

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Speaker 3: want to do something else with it. Whatever. That might

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Speaker 3: be a couple of glasses to go with that, some chocolates,

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Speaker 3: a fifty dollars gift foucher. I'm pretty sure there's a

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Speaker 3: candle in there too, and if there's not, let me

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Speaker 3: know and I'll pitch one in. And my brag moment

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Speaker 3: my son's first published novel, which is very exciting, territory

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Speaker 3: boy Born and Bred, wonderful, a really good read. So

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Speaker 3: I think you should do that, all right?

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Speaker 1: Well, I reckon, surely we can at least kick this

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Speaker 1: off at fifty bucks at the very least for the

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Speaker 1: relax pack.

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Speaker 2: I think we can get more for it. But if

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Speaker 2: you do want.

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Speaker 1: To call in and place a bid eight nine one

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Speaker 1: oh four nine, then Selena Yubo, well you've got a

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Speaker 1: beautiful sunset cruise.

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Speaker 2: For us, don't you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I just want to say a big shout

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Speaker 5: out to the crew at Camp Quality, Katie, I know

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Speaker 5: they do an amazing job to support our kids in

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Speaker 5: our families across the territory and the work they do

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Speaker 5: at a very difficult time for our young people. So

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Speaker 5: this is such a great cause. Yes, I'm really excited

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Speaker 5: to be able to donate a gift card for the

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Speaker 5: Spirit of Darwin a sunset cruise which we'll cover two

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Speaker 5: adult tickets for that beautiful cruise with a dinner.

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Speaker 3: How nice. And Katie, I'm just going to throw one

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Speaker 3: more thing on the table because this is the territory,

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Speaker 3: right ye, simply the best play this song for me.

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Speaker 3: I'll give you two fifty, all right, we'll do that

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Speaker 3: for you.

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Speaker 1: I'll get Sarah, who's coming in to help me out

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Speaker 1: for the next hour, to line up that song for us.

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Speaker 1: Robin Carl, thank you so very much for your time

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Speaker 1: this morning. Thanks for joining us. Good Yeah, wonderful to

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Speaker 1: see you and Selena you both. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for joining us this morning. From Catherine, wonderful to have

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Speaker 1: you on the show as well.

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Speaker 5: Thanks so much, Katie, and please everyone dig deep for

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Speaker 5: Camp Quality.

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Speaker 2: Thank you