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Speaker 1: Yesterday we spoke to Robin Lamley about her future with

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Speaker 1: going to stay with the party. That wasn't about nine

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Speaker 1: p thirty now. By eleven o'clock yesterday she'd quit the party,

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Speaker 1: but they'd also issued a letter expelling her from the party,

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Speaker 1: and Robin, as we know, is now an independent again.

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Speaker 1: Joining me on the line to talk more about this

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Speaker 1: is Territory Alliance's secretary, Daniel Kelly. Good morning to you, Daniel.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, Daniel.

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Speaker 1: What happened yesterday?

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Speaker 2: Yesterday nine thirty nine am. I sent Robin a letter

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Speaker 2: outlining that the members of the Management Committee considered her

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Speaker 2: behavior of the last six months or they'reabout to be

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Speaker 2: inconsistent with the constitution and the culture of Territory Alliance.

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Speaker 2: We afforded her an opportunity to make her case this

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Speaker 2: Sunday night as to why you know that our assessment

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Speaker 2: might be wrong and why she should stay in the party.

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Speaker 2: A couple of hours after I sent that to her,

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Speaker 2: she responded in the same medium by saying that she resigned.

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Speaker 1: About nine point thirty nine yesterday. I think that was

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Speaker 1: just about when she was on air with us. Was

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Speaker 1: it something that she'd see What was that? Was it

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Speaker 1: something that she'd said?

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Speaker 2: There was no one thing that is There's been a

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Speaker 2: number of things that Robin hasn't been consistent with in

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Speaker 2: terms of the party over many months. I'm sorry I

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Speaker 2: didn't hear Robin on your show yesterday.

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Speaker 1: That's okay. Why wasn't she suitable for you know? Why

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Speaker 1: was it a situation where you felt as though she'd,

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Speaker 1: you know, she'd been inconsistent and hadn't sort of been

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Speaker 1: in line with what the party stood for.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's there's obviously I can't go through everything, but

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Speaker 2: I can give you a couple of examples. One is,

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Speaker 2: in terms of the constitution. Our constitution is really clear

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Speaker 2: in terms of the process that we agree to be

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Speaker 2: bound by ourselves as members of the party to make politics.

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Speaker 2: It's really clear. It involves the members all having a

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Speaker 2: stay and Robin, along with others some others, completely disregarded

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Speaker 2: that process in the election period. So that's one. The

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Speaker 2: simple thing is, but the rule of the constitution, if

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Speaker 2: you're going to be part of the party, you follow

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Speaker 2: those rules, and if you don't follow those rules, then

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Speaker 2: maybe you're just not suitable for the party and we

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Speaker 2: find another party. The other one is Territory Alliances is

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Speaker 2: genuinely about reforming politics. We really are focused on integrity,

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Speaker 2: on transparency, on law, honesty, and to do that at

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Speaker 2: a grassroots level, you need to have a genuine team approach.

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Speaker 2: And Robin set herself she's alone wolf and she struggles

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Speaker 2: to be part of a team. And her actions prove that.

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Speaker 1: You know, you said at the start of that comment

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Speaker 1: that Robin and others, you know, I didn't do what

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Speaker 1: they were supposed to do when it came to some

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Speaker 1: of the policy settings. Who were the others.

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Speaker 2: It's not for me to name all the other people.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're talking about Robin today, and actually the

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Speaker 2: other people who went along with that line are no

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Speaker 1: Does it relate though, to the decision on fracking.

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Speaker 2: No, it doesn't. Know, everyone thinks that there's some big

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Speaker 2: split in the party about fracking, but it's not.

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Speaker 1: I guess it just seemed to be the It just

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Speaker 1: seemed to be the thing that you know, that really

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Speaker 1: kind of demonstrated to a lot of Territorians that they

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Speaker 1: weren't sure exactly what Territory Alliance stood for I.

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Speaker 2: Think that's because Terry had trouble delivering that with conviction.

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Speaker 2: Terry was the own candidate who really wasn't behind that

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Speaker 2: and he said that himself, so he struggled to really

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Speaker 2: deliver that well. But actually everyone else is you know,

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Speaker 2: shares that same view. We just think that we can.

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Speaker 1: Be locking the band fracking view.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, our approaches. This is our home. We want to

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Speaker 2: look after it. We can have a much smarter approach.

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Speaker 2: We can, we can, And the economic side of the

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Speaker 2: of the fracking industry just doesn't stack up. So why

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Speaker 2: go into what take on huge risks with our environment?

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Speaker 2: For projected income that's you know, tiny, like about if

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Speaker 1: You did say though, that that Robin maybe wasn't you

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Speaker 1: know the right person for the party. Was she Terry's pick?

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Speaker 2: Yes? And Terry one Robin no?

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Speaker 1: And is Terry going to stay part of the part.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's up to Terry.

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Speaker 1: Do you guys want him? Do you guys want him.

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Speaker 2: Sorry you dropped out again. I've been in communication with Terry,

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Speaker 1: That's unusual to hear. I mean, I got the impression

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Speaker 2: Well, we certainly were to start with, but as the

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Speaker 2: as the election campaign went on, in my opinion is

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Speaker 1: In what way?

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Speaker 2: Well, some of the ways that I've mentioned that related

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Speaker 2: the values of the party, being open to you know,

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Speaker 2: raw honesty rather than trying to do political spin on stories.

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Speaker 1: Was it some of those? Was it also some of

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Speaker 1: those I mean decisions about the ways in which you

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Speaker 1: would campaign. I guess from an outsider's perspective, a lot

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Speaker 1: of people saw it as a little bit strange the

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Speaker 1: way that then you know, very well known political you know,

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Speaker 1: political strategists like Delia Lorri and and others had joined

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Speaker 1: root and branch of the party wanted. No, it wasn't so,

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Speaker 1: I mean, was that part of of of where things

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Speaker 1: fell apart? Do you think?

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Speaker 2: Yes? I do think that was it.

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Speaker 1: That appointment of of Delia lor Oh that.

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Speaker 2: There's only one of a number of things that departed

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Speaker 1: Goodness, mate, I mean it sounds as though you guys

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the last couple of months, our focus has actually

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Speaker 2: They're quite onerous and with our treasurer has just done

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Speaker 2: the most stirring job, has stood up to enormous demands

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Speaker 2: on him and it's just been incredible to see someone,

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Speaker 2: you know, pull together such a massive amount of data,

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Speaker 2: completely accurate, transparent and non time and so on. And

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Speaker 2: that's been our focus the last couple of months because

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Speaker 2: there's time deadlines that you need to meet for that.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, in between, yeah, we've caught up informally spoken

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Speaker 2: do next? There's too much interest to just wind it up.

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Speaker 2: We thought, well, you know, maybe that was, you know,

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Speaker 2: to us, we want to keep going. We've got people

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Speaker 2: regular mums and dad that have never been involved in

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Speaker 1: So I guess so, you know, from a media perspective

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Speaker 1: and from the public's perspective, it did seem like a

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Speaker 1: lot of it was being driven by Terry Mills. I know,

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Speaker 1: even looking back at some of the political donations and

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Speaker 1: things like that, he had obviously contributed, from what I've seen,

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Speaker 1: quite a substantial amount of his own money personally. But

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Speaker 1: I mean, from your perspective and from the party's perspective,

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Speaker 1: do you feel as though it was Terry's fault that

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Speaker 1: you guys lost the election.

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Speaker 2: You know, no one is going to be able to

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Speaker 2: give her an honest and accurate answer as to why

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Speaker 2: we lost the election. And you know, you can look

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Speaker 2: at this as a glass half full or a glass

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Speaker 2: half empty sort of thing. Of course, we only got

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Speaker 2: one MLA and that was Robin and she's now out.

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Speaker 2: But we also got more than twenty percent of the

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Speaker 2: in in fifteen seats, now twenty percent of the vote.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's a lot more than you know what

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Speaker 2: any of the other smaller parties normally get something like

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Speaker 2: three or four times as much as what the Greens got.

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Speaker 2: And that was the first time that we had to

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Speaker 2: go at it. So what we see is that there's

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Speaker 2: still a very large appetite for a genuine, honest, grassroots

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Speaker 2: type of party that gives Territorians a choice, you know,

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Speaker 2: an option that's not Labor, it's not CLP, that's genuinely

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Speaker 2: out or Territori ins and out.

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Speaker 1: Daniel, we are going to have to wrap up. But

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Speaker 1: I tell you, reading between the lines, it sounds as

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Speaker 1: though you know from from what I'm hearing from you,

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Speaker 1: that you and the Party Territory Alliance want to go

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Speaker 1: back to that grassroots don't necessarily want to have recycled politicians.

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Speaker 1: Is Terry Mills part of the party. Is he still

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Speaker 1: the leader?

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Speaker 2: He's not the leader by understanding, he's still a member

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Speaker 2: of the party. But you're absolutely right about the grassroots.

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Speaker 2: That's our plan where we've got a meeting on tonight

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Speaker 2: and one of the agenda items is putting out a

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Speaker 2: schedule of grassroots activities. We'll have a boxing day cricket

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Speaker 2: match somewhere around Darwen, so everyone's welcome to join us.

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Speaker 1: We might hear more about that as it gets closer.

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Speaker 1: Who is the leader at the moment?

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Speaker 2: Currently, the president's position in the party is vacant. We'll

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Speaker 2: be having a management committee meeting soon to resolve that.

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Speaker 2: But the other positions are full and we function as

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Speaker 2: a team. The president only has one vote. He's one

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Speaker 2: or she's one person. Yep, it's really a team approach

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Speaker 2: in territory life.

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Speaker 1: And sorry, Daniel, we are very pressed. We are very

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Speaker 1: pressed for time, but I do just want to ask

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Speaker 1: you very quickly. Is Delia Laurie still part of the party. No,

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Speaker 1: she was never part of the What about Jeff Collins?

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Speaker 2: No, Jeff's not part of the party.

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Speaker 1: And I know that James Lantry did a lot of

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Speaker 1: the campaigning for you guys. Is he still part of

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Speaker 1: the party.

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Speaker 2: He was never part of the party.

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Speaker 1: There you go, all right, Well, sounds like we'll catch

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Speaker 1: up again soon. I Reckon. Daniel, welcome, Thank you, appreciate

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Speaker 1: your time this morning. Daniel Kelly there, Thanks Daniel. That's

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Speaker 1: Daniel Kelly there, the Secretary of Territory Alliance. Goodness me.

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Speaker 1: Fairly explosive there. It seems as though, yeah, Territory Alliances,

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Speaker 1: things have well and truly changed. I'll let you read

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Speaker 1: between those lines and let us know what you think.

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Speaker 1: Eight nine four one one four nine