WEBVTT - What is actually in a vape?

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda

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<v Speaker 1>Bungelung calcotton woman from Gadighl Country. The Daily oz acknowledges

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<v Speaker 1>that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the

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<v Speaker 1>Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres

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<v Speaker 1>Strait Island and nations. We pay our respects to the

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<v Speaker 1>first peoples of these countries, both past and present.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It's Monday,

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty ninth of January. I'm Zara, I'm Saram. Vapes

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<v Speaker 2>are absolutely everywhere at the beach, they're at the pub,

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<v Speaker 2>the park. They might actually be in your hand right now.

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<v Speaker 2>But when it comes to vaping in Australia, everything is

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<v Speaker 2>about to change, and so we thought it was a

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<v Speaker 2>good time to stop and reflect and to look at

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<v Speaker 2>how we got here and what's happening next with vapes.

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<v Speaker 2>TDA has been working on a three part investigation into

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<v Speaker 2>vaping in in Australia, the laws, the loopholes and what

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<v Speaker 2>they're doing to our munds. In today's episode, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to go with TDA podcast producer Ninakopple from the local

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<v Speaker 2>Tobacconist to the lab to find out what's actually in

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<v Speaker 2>a vape before we get there, though, Sam what's making

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<v Speaker 2>headlines this morning.

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<v Speaker 3>Over the weekend, Australia joined other nations in pausing funding

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<v Speaker 3>to the UN's Refugee Agency for Palestinians of allegations some

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<v Speaker 3>members of its staff were involved in the seventh of

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<v Speaker 3>October attack by Hamas on Israel. In a statement, Foreign

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<v Speaker 3>Minister Penny Wong said Australia is deeply concerned by the

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<v Speaker 3>allegations and is consulting with international partners. The UN has

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<v Speaker 3>launched an independent investigation into the claims and several workers

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<v Speaker 3>have been fired. In a statement yesterday, the Commissioner General

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<v Speaker 3>of the agency said it would be immensely irresponsible to

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<v Speaker 3>sanction an agency and in an entire community it serves,

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<v Speaker 3>because of allegations of criminal acts against some individuals, especially

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<v Speaker 3>at a time of war, displacement and political crises in

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<v Speaker 3>the region.

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<v Speaker 2>On Friday, the International Court of Justice, which is known

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<v Speaker 2>as the ICJ, handed down a provisional ruling after South

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<v Speaker 2>Africa accused Israel of carrying out a genocide of Palestinians

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<v Speaker 2>in Gaza. The ICJ ordered Israel to take all measures

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<v Speaker 2>to limit deaths in Gaza, but the court did not

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<v Speaker 2>order a cease fire. The South African government welcomed to

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<v Speaker 2>the court's finding and said it expects Israel to accept

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<v Speaker 2>the measures, while the Israeli government called the accusations a

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<v Speaker 2>quote vile attempt to deny a country's fundamental right to

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<v Speaker 2>defend itself. Israel must report back to the court on

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<v Speaker 2>its compliance within a month.

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<v Speaker 3>The US state of Alabama has carried out the country's

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<v Speaker 3>first execution using nitrogen gas. Human rights experts had warned

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<v Speaker 3>against the method, which involves slowly depriving an inmate of oxygen.

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<v Speaker 3>Kenneth Eugene Smith was convicted of murder and sentenced to

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<v Speaker 3>death in nineteen ninety six. He had been subject to

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<v Speaker 3>a previous failed execution attempt after prison staff couldn't access

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<v Speaker 3>his veins to administer a lethal injection. The US Supreme

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<v Speaker 3>Court rejected multiple requests to delay or stop his execution

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<v Speaker 3>last week. Smith was pronounced dead on Thursday night local time.

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<v Speaker 2>And Today's Good News. A gustav climped painting, thought to

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<v Speaker 2>have been lost for the last one hundred years, has

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<v Speaker 2>been found in Austria. The portrait is believed to be

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<v Speaker 2>one of the last works climped painted. According to the

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<v Speaker 2>auction house who rediscovered the piece, the painting will be

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<v Speaker 2>exhibited internationally before being auctioned off later this year, where

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<v Speaker 2>it's expected to sell for as much as fifty million euros.

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<v Speaker 4>The legend goes like this, A pharmacist in China, Homlik

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<v Speaker 4>tries to quit smoking. By some accounts, he's smoking up

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<v Speaker 4>to three packs a day, so it isn't easy. One night,

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<v Speaker 4>he falls asleep with a patch on and has a

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<v Speaker 4>nicotine fueled nightmare. He's in the ocean and he's about

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<v Speaker 4>to drown when a wave turns into a giant cloud

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<v Speaker 4>of feed up. Homelick wakes up and sets out to

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<v Speaker 4>invent a device that will help him quit smoking, and

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<v Speaker 4>he goes on to develop the first vape to have

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<v Speaker 4>mass commercial success.

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<v Speaker 1>Bluebery cherry, crumber, it and grit.

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<v Speaker 5>You're going to push it with your tongue and you're

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<v Speaker 5>in a second back.

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<v Speaker 6>Do you have an a vape?

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<v Speaker 7>By chance?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>How long have you vabed? A good six years?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, give me my beat.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember the first time I vaped, I was fucking gone.

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<v Speaker 4>Vapes are everywhere, but things are about to change. No

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<v Speaker 4>more bubblegum flavors. No more pink unicorns, No more vapes

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<v Speaker 4>deliberately disguised as highlighter pins for kids to be able

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<v Speaker 4>to hide them in their pencil cases. In this series,

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<v Speaker 4>we're gonna look at the forces at play working against

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<v Speaker 4>the government's attempts to regulate vaping.

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<v Speaker 8>I'll keep fighting. I'll fight every tooth in that way.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't.

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<v Speaker 9>They can smell out a little pole and they push

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<v Speaker 9>it open and make it into a door that they

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<v Speaker 9>can walz right through.

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<v Speaker 4>But before you can understand what this regulation is and

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<v Speaker 4>what it'll mean, you have to understand what a vape

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<v Speaker 4>actually is and what vapes do to our health. From

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<v Speaker 4>the Daily Odds, this is Understanding Vapes, Episode one.

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<v Speaker 6>What's in a vape? I? Do you have a vapeless Yeah?

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<v Speaker 8>I do, but I don't have many beeps.

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<v Speaker 4>Like okay al and that a random tobacconist on a

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<v Speaker 4>Tuesday morning?

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<v Speaker 6>Which ones you.

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<v Speaker 8>Have black blue res.

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<v Speaker 4>In Kent?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh? Maybe cinnamon? Please yo, pa, thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>It's been illegal to buy a nicotine vape in Australia

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<v Speaker 4>without a prescription for years, but the one I buy

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't actually say it has nicotine in it, Thanks so much.

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<v Speaker 4>The only way to know for sure what's in a

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<v Speaker 4>vape is to get it tested in a lab.

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<v Speaker 7>Hello, Hias, thanks so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 6>I've actually brought a vape that I was hoping.

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<v Speaker 7>Today testing full long chemical analysis who we normally do.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I want to know what's in it? Like, is

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<v Speaker 4>that nicotine in it? Is there anything else we need

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<v Speaker 4>to be worried about?

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<v Speaker 6>All right?

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<v Speaker 7>Sure, So the first thing we need to do is

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<v Speaker 7>uben the device.

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<v Speaker 4>The University of Woollongong lab has these big piles of

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<v Speaker 4>colorful vapes in an assortment of flavors, and as they

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<v Speaker 4>break vapes apart, you get wafts of these sense diffusing

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<v Speaker 4>across the room.

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<v Speaker 6>I think I can smell it.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, that's the cinnamon.

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<v Speaker 4>Doctor Selinkkelso is doing our analysis for us. Once she

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<v Speaker 4>extracts the liquid from the vape, she puts it in

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<v Speaker 4>a machine for testing.

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<v Speaker 7>So let's put dis sample on and then start the analysis.

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<v Speaker 4>When we have the results, her colleague talks us through

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<v Speaker 4>what they found.

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<v Speaker 6>With a cinnamon, like, what kind of level is that?

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, so that's obviously reasonably low concentration.

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<v Speaker 4>This is doctor Jodie Moler, Senior lecturer in the School

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<v Speaker 4>of Chemistry and Molecular Bioscience.

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<v Speaker 8>But cinematot is band so it's not allowed to be

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<v Speaker 8>there in any concentration.

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<v Speaker 6>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>Cinemelde Hyde, the chemical substance that makes up the cinnamon flavor,

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<v Speaker 4>has been banned from vapes because we have evidence that

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<v Speaker 4>inhaling it can cause health issues.

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<v Speaker 6>What else are you noticing from this?

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<v Speaker 8>Obviously, the really high concentration of nicotine is obviously a standout.

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<v Speaker 8>So fifty milligrams per mile, huge peak.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the equivalent of consuming the nicotine in about twenty

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<v Speaker 4>five to fifty cigarettes. And remember this vape didn't actually

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<v Speaker 4>say it has nicotine on the packaging.

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<v Speaker 8>So people are you know, if they're regularly vaping these,

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<v Speaker 8>they're going to be very likely to develop a dependence

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<v Speaker 8>on nicotine.

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<v Speaker 6>Right.

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<v Speaker 8>The other one I would say is the WS twenty three,

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<v Speaker 8>which is our other ginormous peak. So the WS twenty

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<v Speaker 8>three is our cooling agent.

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<v Speaker 4>Lots of disposable vapes have some form of cooling agent.

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<v Speaker 4>This can be added to address the throat irritation that

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<v Speaker 4>can from inhaling high quantities of nicotine, But coolants themselves

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<v Speaker 4>can also cause irritation.

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<v Speaker 8>In some of our samples. Recently, we found ethylene glacol,

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<v Speaker 8>which is the main component in antifreeze, and we found

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<v Speaker 8>it at reasonably high concentrations. So the highest concentration was

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<v Speaker 8>about eighty times higher than the concentration that is predicted

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<v Speaker 8>to cause unbearable respiratory discomfort. And that was in a

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<v Speaker 8>sample that was taken off a school kid. So we

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<v Speaker 8>don't know how that school child was even tolerating vaping

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<v Speaker 8>that particular sample. When the concentrations of a hugely irritating

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<v Speaker 8>compound with.

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<v Speaker 4>That high anti freezers like what used for Fridgers air conditioning.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, exactly right, and we know that bioral ingestion anti

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<v Speaker 8>freeze is extremely toxic.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, So we've got the nicotine and the cinnamon flavoring

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<v Speaker 4>are the ones that would be not allowed. And then

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<v Speaker 4>we've got that coolut, which he said at that level

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<v Speaker 4>could be potentially dangerous, be absolutely concerning.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, that's correct. And then obviously there's the things we

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<v Speaker 8>can't see here because he were on the analyzing the liquid.

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<v Speaker 8>We didn't actually generate a vapor and analyze.

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<v Speaker 6>The vapor, right, So there's potential dangers in the vapor.

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<v Speaker 4>There's also that coil metal exactly what you're telling me about.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 8>So we also get to see what these things look

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<v Speaker 8>like inside after they've been.

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<v Speaker 6>Used, and what do they look like in side.

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<v Speaker 8>So what we tend to see is a large amount

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<v Speaker 8>of scorching.

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<v Speaker 6>On the coil.

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<v Speaker 4>The coils a bit of metal wire that works to

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<v Speaker 4>heat up the liquid in your vape and turn it

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<v Speaker 4>into vapor. When a disposable vape is brand new, like

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<v Speaker 4>the one I brought to Wollongong, it's just a piece

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<v Speaker 4>of clean metal wrapped around some material which is soaked

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<v Speaker 4>in the vape juice. But after some time things can

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<v Speaker 4>look a bit different.

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<v Speaker 8>So when we open them up, we get quite a

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<v Speaker 8>lot of blackening of the material.

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<v Speaker 4>If you think about this, it makes sense. Disposable vapes

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<v Speaker 4>are only supposed to be good for a certain number

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<v Speaker 4>of puffs, but if you have limited funds, you might

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<v Speaker 4>try to make it last longer so you don't have

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<v Speaker 4>to buy another one.

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<v Speaker 8>Sometimes we actually see the coil is starting to degrade.

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<v Speaker 6>Is that dangerous?

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<v Speaker 8>Absolutely? So we know that there's some heavy metal and

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<v Speaker 8>some other substances that make up the constitution of these

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<v Speaker 8>coils and we don't want to see people inhaling those.

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<v Speaker 4>It's worth mentioning here that in reusable vapes this is

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<v Speaker 4>less of a concern because people would be replacing their

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<v Speaker 4>coils more regularly. But the Labin Woongong concentrates on these

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<v Speaker 4>disposable vapes because they're the popular ones, especially in Australian schools.

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<v Speaker 4>The question is what are these vapes and all the

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<v Speaker 4>chemicals and potential metals actually doing to young people's health.

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<v Speaker 4>You may have come across videos like this on TikTok.

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<v Speaker 1>I am literally chilling in a hospital.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I have a vping.

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<v Speaker 1>Related lung intery.

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<v Speaker 5>Vaping put me in the hospital, like not breathing.

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<v Speaker 4>It's really scary.

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<v Speaker 10>My heart is a lot smaller than the average twenty

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<v Speaker 10>one year old and it's because of vaping.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to understand how commonly people are being hospitalized

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<v Speaker 4>for health issues related to vaping in Australia.

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<v Speaker 10>So we put in freedom of information requests for Queensland,

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<v Speaker 10>Victoria and New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was just asking the government to release whatever

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<v Speaker 4>information they have to us.

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<v Speaker 8>That's correct. Yes.

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<v Speaker 4>Daniel Lesto is a journalist at The Daily Os and

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<v Speaker 4>he often does stories on vaping.

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<v Speaker 10>In Queensland has been seventy nine total hospitalizations over the

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<v Speaker 10>last four years. So in Victoria there's been forty five

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<v Speaker 10>total hospitalizations.

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<v Speaker 6>So that's a bit lower than Queensland.

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<v Speaker 10>It is a bit lower, yes, and one of the

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<v Speaker 10>reasons for that was because in one of the years

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<v Speaker 10>there was an adminera which is totally out of her hands,

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<v Speaker 10>and it just resulted in there being no actual specific

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<v Speaker 10>data for vaping hospitalizations in Victoria, right.

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<v Speaker 6>Did you hear back from any other states?

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<v Speaker 10>Yes, So I spoke to New South Wales and they

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<v Speaker 10>actually don't have any vaping data at all.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, so they haven't been tracking in not at all.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's not a lot to go on, although we

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<v Speaker 4>do know that vape related hospitalizations are recurring.

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<v Speaker 5>What we're seeing is that if you have too much

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<v Speaker 5>nicotine on board, suddenly there are toxic effects.

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<v Speaker 4>This is Professor Emily Banks, a leading expert in the

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<v Speaker 4>health impacts of vaps at the Australian National University, and

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<v Speaker 4>I wanted to ask her about someone we spoke to

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<v Speaker 4>who told us they had a seizure after vaping.

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<v Speaker 5>There's a continuum, so people can just feel nauseous, they

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<v Speaker 5>can vomit, and then there are effects where people lose consciousness,

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<v Speaker 5>and then having a seizure can be part of losing consciousness.

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<v Speaker 5>So it's part of that overall picture of just too

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<v Speaker 5>much nicotine too quickly.

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<v Speaker 4>We heard from a thirty year old who was vaping

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<v Speaker 4>and then was hospitalized and was found to have a

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<v Speaker 4>three point two millimeter puncture in his lung and.

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<v Speaker 6>Was then diagnosed with neumothorax.

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<v Speaker 4>Can you tell me a bit about that and how

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<v Speaker 4>that's presenting in the research.

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<v Speaker 5>We have heard reports of people who have been vaping

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<v Speaker 5>and then have developed a spontaneous new methorics, So so

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<v Speaker 5>long as you can get it if you've actually been

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<v Speaker 5>stabbed or something, that's a traumatic new METHORICX, but a

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<v Speaker 5>spontaneous new methorics where you suddenly get a burst of

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<v Speaker 5>that bubble in your lung and then you get air

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<v Speaker 5>going into the lining of your lung.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's not just these hospitalizations that Emily's concerned about.

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<v Speaker 5>So if you look at people are who are really

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<v Speaker 5>addicted to nicotine, they will only feel normal when they've

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<v Speaker 5>had a vape, and after that they'll start to go

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<v Speaker 5>into a kind of withdrawal and because nicotine gets excreted

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<v Speaker 5>from the body quite quickly, people can go through that

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<v Speaker 5>quite rapidly. So they might be having difficulty sitting through

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<v Speaker 5>a lesson without having a vape, having difficulty sitting through

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<v Speaker 5>a meal with their friends or family, And there are

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<v Speaker 5>people with a vape under their pillow, vaping in the

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<v Speaker 5>middle of the night because they have that urge. When

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<v Speaker 5>I talk to young people about what they want in

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<v Speaker 5>their lives, most will say that they want an independent

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<v Speaker 5>future that they determine, and I think that addiction can

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<v Speaker 5>really undermine that independence. I mean, it essentially is dependence.

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<v Speaker 4>If you cast your mind into the future an eighteen

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<v Speaker 4>year olds who's vaping, now, what concerns do you have

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<v Speaker 4>about their health forty fifty years into the future.

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<v Speaker 5>It could be that they'd be fine, or it could

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<v Speaker 5>be that they would have, for example, long term lung

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<v Speaker 5>diseased caused by inflammation. They would definitely have the issues

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<v Speaker 5>related to nicotine addiction, and then I would also be

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<v Speaker 5>concerned for their cardiovascular health. So we know that nicotine

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<v Speaker 5>increases your blood pressure and increases.

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<v Speaker 6>Your heart rate.

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<v Speaker 5>So that's one area where we're concerned about nicotine effects.

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<v Speaker 5>The other thing where we're concerned about nicotine effects is

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<v Speaker 5>reproductive health. So if that was an eighteen year old

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<v Speaker 5>woman who was going to have children, then you would

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<v Speaker 5>also be concerned about what would happen while she was

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<v Speaker 5>pregnant and what would happen.

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<v Speaker 6>To them baby.

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<v Speaker 4>But there could also be health consequences from veping we

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<v Speaker 4>don't even know about yet.

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<v Speaker 5>There's a lot of unknowns, and I think we have

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<v Speaker 5>to be really clear that not knowing about something is

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<v Speaker 5>a risk in itself.

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<v Speaker 4>Cigarettes as we now know them were first mass produced

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<v Speaker 4>in the eighteen hundreds. It was one hundred odd years

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<v Speaker 4>later that researches began in verstigating the connection between cigarettes

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<v Speaker 4>and lung cancer. Vapes as we know them have only

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<v Speaker 4>been on the market around sixteen years. At the end

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<v Speaker 4>of the day, what is worse for your health a

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<v Speaker 4>cigarette or a vape?

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<v Speaker 5>I have to say smoking is so unbelievably harmful. There

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<v Speaker 5>are very few other exposures that are as harmful as smoking.

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<v Speaker 6>It's so dangerous.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, up to two thirds of all people who

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<v Speaker 5>are long term smokers will die from their habit if

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<v Speaker 5>they don't quit. So, if someone held a gun to

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<v Speaker 5>your head and said, right, your choice, is to either

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<v Speaker 5>smoke or to vape, then probably vaping is better. But

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<v Speaker 5>I would say that the safest thing is to avoid

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<v Speaker 5>smoking and to avoid e cigarette use.

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<v Speaker 4>I started off this episode wanting to know what's in

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<v Speaker 4>a vap and what vepes are doing to our health,

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<v Speaker 4>But I've ended up with more questions than when I started.

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<v Speaker 4>If cigarettes are so bad, why is the government focusing

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<v Speaker 4>on cracking down on vapes? And if the sale of

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<v Speaker 4>disposable nicotine beeps is illegal, how come they're so readily available.

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<v Speaker 4>Next episode, I'm going to find out.

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<v Speaker 9>So industry they can smell out a little poor and

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<v Speaker 9>they push it open and make it into a door

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<v Speaker 9>that they can loss right through.

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<v Speaker 8>So they're deliberately trying to manipulate the market to get

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<v Speaker 8>these into Australia.

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<v Speaker 6>Are you expecting a fight on these regulations? Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 6>always prepare for a fight. I'll keep thought, I'll fight

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<v Speaker 6>every tooth in a way I can.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm nicople I wrote and edited this podcast. Billy Fitzimons

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<v Speaker 4>was our executive producer, Lucy Tassel was our fact checker,

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<v Speaker 4>and Joe Kylie produced this series not just for audio,

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<v Speaker 4>but also the video version of the series.

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<v Speaker 6>That we're doing as well.

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<v Speaker 11>Yes, it's been intense. We've traveled across the country. We've

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<v Speaker 11>been into Parliament House, we've spoken to vapors and we

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<v Speaker 11>forced the one person in the office who vapes to

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<v Speaker 11>continuously blow smoke in front of the camera for.

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<v Speaker 6>B roots and vaping into lenses.

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<v Speaker 11>It's been such a journey and I've learnt so much

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<v Speaker 11>and I really want to get this into the ears

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<v Speaker 11>of as many young Australians as possible. So if you've

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<v Speaker 11>made it this far and you're enjoying what you're listening to,

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<v Speaker 11>do us a favor. Share it on Instagram, put it

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<v Speaker 11>in your stories. It's two buttons exactly, and I can't

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<v Speaker 11>wait for you to hear episode two and three.

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<v Speaker 6>Thanks Joe, bye already.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is this is the daily, This is the

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<v Speaker 1>daily os Oh, now it makes sense.