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Speaker 1: Yesterday, as I mentioned, the government announced that there will

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Speaker 1: be an immediate review of bail laws for offenses involving

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Speaker 1: There'll be transit safety officers, crowd controllers and security guards

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Speaker 1: equipped with capsicum spray. There's also going to be a

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Speaker 1: workplace safety review, increased police presence funding for crowd controllers

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Speaker 1: until June, and there will also be alcohol secure a

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Speaker 1: relaunch so that businesses can increase physical safety and support. Now,

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Speaker 1: yesterday we heard the reaction from two of the independent

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Speaker 1: words I think you'd have to say. And this morning

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Speaker 1: the opposition leader Leah Fanocchiaro joins me on the line.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Leah.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Leah, what do you make of yesterday's announcement.

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Speaker 2: I think yesterday's announcement unfortunately did not meet community expectation

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Speaker 2: and ultimately was an exit size in saving face, not

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Speaker 2: saving lives. It chronically lacks detail, no territory and is

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Speaker 2: safe for today because of the announcement made yesterday, and

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Speaker 2: they won't be safe for in a week or even

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Speaker 2: in a month. There is absolutely no time frames in

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Speaker 2: relation to any of these measures, and in speaking to

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Speaker 2: bottle shop owners, many of them are worried that it's

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Speaker 2: There's no time to waste on this. Katie Natasha Files

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Speaker 2: should have walked into Parliament yesterday with bail laws that

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Speaker 2: strengthen bail.

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Speaker 1: Leah, what detail do you feel is lacking that you need?

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Speaker 1: I am assuming that it's around bail and this review

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Speaker 1: how long it's going to take. But what detail do

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the government have called for a review into

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Speaker 2: bail laws and a review of police powers with no

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Speaker 2: take to get that done. We've got announcements around Capsican

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Speaker 2: that's not government paying for them, that's government assisting crowd control.

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Speaker 2: So a lot of just need to those concepts. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they're going to develop a de escalation training booklet, they're

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Speaker 2: going to give businesses some more money for more barricading

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Speaker 2: of their business. But ultimately it doesn't do anything to

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Speaker 2: strengthen the law. And once again Natasha Fars and her

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Speaker 2: government are more focused on strengthening the window or the

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Speaker 1: Leah, can I ask you when it comes to the

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Speaker 1: presumption of bail, you know, for for somebody who has

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Speaker 1: what is your understanding exactly of what this review is

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Speaker 1: going to look into and what could change.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a very limited review. The government has said

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Speaker 2: they're only reviewing bow laws for offenses involving an edged weapon,

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Speaker 2: which is, you know, things like a knife. But right now,

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Speaker 2: right now, today is the law stands Katie. Offenders like that,

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Speaker 2: violent offenders have a starting point of getting bailed. So

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Speaker 2: are you saying in favor of bail?

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Speaker 1: So the presumption is in favor of bail when somebody

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Speaker 2: Yes, currently under Labour's laws, that is how the law

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Speaker 1: Is there evidence to support that. I know that some

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Speaker 1: just saying that as a.

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Speaker 2: Political act section eight of the ballet and have a

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Speaker 2: It's right there in black and white. Two years ago,

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Speaker 2: Deklan Lavity's death was entirely preventable and avoidable, and ultimately

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Speaker 2: had to show you leadership yesterday. The Parliament is sitting Katie.

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Speaker 1: So what do you think could be happening in Parliament today?

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Speaker 2: Impact, without question. They should have done it on Tuesday, Katie,

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Speaker 1: Let's step away from that for a sex So if

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Speaker 2: Well, I think there should be bail reform to strengthen

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Speaker 2: Because what's happening at the moment is these people are

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Speaker 2: the fact that the rights of the offender are above

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Speaker 1: So is there a way here, Leah, because like I'm

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Speaker 2: It can happen from outside, Katie. But Natasha Files has refused.

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Speaker 2: She refused in question time, and she refused again yesterday

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Speaker 2: So Natasha Files has closed that door to work with us.

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Speaker 2: But Katie, the time for a review into bail is over.

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Speaker 2: The CLP do not think that a review is what's quiet,

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Speaker 2: and neither does I heard Keesy epiric with you yesterday

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Speaker 2: and so once again the COLP will lead from opposition

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Speaker 2: and today Katie, I will instruct Parliamentary Counsel, who are

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Speaker 2: to draft a law that says violent offenders start with

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Speaker 1: So you are going to do that today, but Lea,

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming that you're going to need the numbers from

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Speaker 2: Will instruct Parliamentary Council today and they will advise us

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Speaker 2: have more to tell the community once those conversations have

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Speaker 2: There is no end in site to how long that's

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Speaker 2: I'd be surprised if we saw any change from Natasha

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Speaker 2: And that is too far away. It is too long.

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Speaker 2: We have talked about the need for boar reform for many,

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Speaker 2: get up and we will try again.

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Speaker 1: So Leah, with what you are going to be instructing

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Speaker 1: for violent offending. Is that correct? So what kind of offenses?

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Speaker 1: What kind offenses are we talking here? Because some you know,

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Speaker 2: ultimately can can kill people as well. Katie, I mean

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Speaker 2: from the Parliament. And unfortunately Natasha Farles's exercise in saving

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I think people probably will be surprised to

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Speaker 1: hear that, Leah. Can I ask another aspect of this

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Speaker 1: announcement is the increased presence of police. Yesterday Michael Murphy,

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Speaker 1: the Deputy Police Commissioner, said that we've got enough police.

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Speaker 1: do have enough police officers?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not, And ninety seven percent of police don't believe

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Speaker 2: this bottle shop proactive work. But Trident is our property

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Speaker 2: crime division, and so property crime remains an extremely significant

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Speaker 2: problem right across the Northern territory, and so if we're

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Speaker 2: diverting the police who deal with those issues into this

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Speaker 2: other space, it's going to leave holes. And we asked

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Speaker 2: yesterday in Parliament around whether police would be taken from

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Speaker 2: our springs, which of course would be a disaster, and

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Speaker 2: the Police Minister was very quick to say no, they wouldn't,

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Speaker 2: but only time will tell.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, LEAs Andocchiaro, we are going to have to

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Speaker 1: leave it there. Appreciate your time this morning, and I'll

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Speaker 1: be very interested to get some update on what you

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Speaker 1: are basically calling for. With this legislation and how quickly

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Speaker 1: it could indeed be drafted and where it goes from there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we will absolutely keep everyone across this. We know

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Speaker 2: people are very very interested. We need tangible change. The

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Speaker 2: Chief Minister could walk in today and do it if

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Speaker 2: she wanted to, Katie, but she's not, so we'll have

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Speaker 2: to take a different course of action and get it

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Speaker 2: done from opposition.

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Speaker 1: Leah Finocchio, thank you for your time today.

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Speaker 2: Take care,