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Speaker 1: I have the latest eliminated queen from RuPaul's Drag Race.
Speaker 1: It is Pomara fifth. This week, the competition heated up
Speaker 1: as down onto Series two saw the queens put the
Speaker 1: word sabotage under the microphone. There was no way to
Speaker 1: hide with Molly Poppins getting an advantage that saw her
Speaker 1: not so secret strategy being called out by the other queens.
Speaker 1: I for one, did not see Pomara's elimination coming, and
Speaker 1: I have thoroughly enjoyed her confidence and sent humor that
Speaker 1: she's brought to the show. We will talk about the
Speaker 1: clashes behind the scenes. What was happening with those panties
Speaker 1: who the Queen's turned to if the drama gets too much,
Speaker 1: And I will also try my hardest to get some
Speaker 1: shady answers from today's guest. However, let's get started with
Speaker 1: Pamara fifth. I'd like to welcome this week's Queen of
Speaker 1: Stan Australia to TV Relod.
Speaker 2: Watching the show and being there in person two different things.
Speaker 1: Previously, I'm RuPaul's dragres.
Speaker 2: I remember thinking to myself, Oh my god, don't don't laugh.
Speaker 2: Don't laugh. If I really wanted to sabotage, you're going
Speaker 2: to put you with many after last week? That would
Speaker 2: have been a fun pairing. You know. I think to myself, well,
Speaker 2: if that was me, I wouldn't have done that.
Speaker 1: Tamara, let's talk about drag brunch.
Speaker 2: Why don't you go ahead? You know I'd had a
Speaker 2: lot of messages being like, oh my god, that's not
Speaker 2: you tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Fifth, you can leave here with your head held high.
Speaker 2: I think the producers of Real he tried to betray
Speaker 2: everyone as positively as they can.
Speaker 1: Hi there, Pomara fifth, how are you?
Speaker 2: Hi? I'm good, think you? How are you.
Speaker 1: Fantastic to be able to have this chat with you.
Speaker 1: I thought you really brought a lot to this series.
Speaker 1: Are you happy with how you came across on Down
Speaker 1: Under Series? Too?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? I mean I can't complain. You know, I made
Speaker 2: it onto the show, so you know, no complaints here.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess there's going to be lots of people
Speaker 1: wanting to get on the show. Did you have a
Speaker 1: secret trick to being able to get the producers to
Speaker 1: fall in love with you?
Speaker 2: I bribed them? No? No, I mean you know, I
Speaker 2: did not think to myself at all that I was
Speaker 2: going to make it on. You know, there was no
Speaker 2: and you know I got the I got the with
Speaker 2: my audition video, and you know, I was actually very
Speaker 2: close to I actually recovered my audition video from the
Speaker 2: bin because I was like, you know, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to do it and.
Speaker 1: Scratch it and then here we are. You know, this season,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's very hard to predict who is
Speaker 1: going home and I've always wanted to know. With RuPaul's
Speaker 1: drag race, what's it like in the actual work room.
Speaker 1: Do you get a sense of who's going to go home?
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. I mean you see more watching it back,
Speaker 2: You're like, ah, okay, I can see because you're seeing everything.
Speaker 2: You know, you're seeing everything once, but when we're there,
Speaker 2: you know, you don't know what the others have spoken
Speaker 2: about with other mentors or stuff like that. You don't
Speaker 2: know that in there doing a thing, doing the best
Speaker 2: you can. And then I guess it all just comes
Speaker 2: down to I guess what Rude decides. I think you know,
Speaker 2: you just you don't know. So I think that's why
Speaker 2: us as a whole, we were all like, we're just
Speaker 2: going to enjoy this as much as we can because
Speaker 2: we don't know who we're going to lose.
Speaker 1: And there's been some edits, like you know, RuPaul's Drag
Speaker 1: Race has been on TV for so long and you
Speaker 1: kind of become skilled at the art of trying to
Speaker 1: pick it. And in the American version, I sometimes got
Speaker 1: to the point where I could sit there in the
Speaker 1: first five minutes and go, that's the person's going home.
Speaker 1: She got the first Master interview, that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: But I never saw you leaving in this episode, and
Speaker 1: maybe that says more about me and my fandom for
Speaker 1: you and less about the show.
Speaker 2: I guess that's kind of good. You know, it's that
Speaker 2: shock value. You know, I would have preferred a double
Speaker 2: save to be honest, or even an art simone edit,
Speaker 2: you know, get to jump back out of rubbish. But
Speaker 2: to TV shows, you know first and foremost, and it's
Speaker 2: the way the cookie crumbles. I guess someone's got to
Speaker 2: do it, someone's got to go home eventually, But it
Speaker 2: was me, unfortunately why But I was very honored. I
Speaker 2: enjoyed my time there, so no complaints.
Speaker 1: You have a lot of confidence in the way in
Speaker 1: which you present yourself, which came out in your pieces
Speaker 1: to camera.
Speaker 2: Do you think that.
Speaker 1: Your mood on the day that you shoot those talk
Speaker 1: pieces really defines the way that the audience get to
Speaker 1: know you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, you know. My my goal I just
Speaker 2: been going on there. You know, I didn't really think
Speaker 2: about anything too much. I was just like, my mindset
Speaker 2: of go in was like, I'm just going to go
Speaker 2: in and be myself and show as much of my
Speaker 2: personality as I can. And watching it back, you know,
Speaker 2: I was kind of like, oh, okay, good. You know,
Speaker 2: I didn't come across like boring Betty. My personality did
Speaker 2: come across And I think I always try and remain
Speaker 2: positive and always try and sort of keep in that
Speaker 2: mindset of going if I'm not feeling too well or
Speaker 2: I'm not feeling great about something, It's not the end
Speaker 2: of the world. There are people out there who are
Speaker 2: starving and have gone through terrible things. So I can't
Speaker 2: really sit here out because I'm on a TV show
Speaker 2: and it's not going the way that I want. So
Speaker 2: I think it's just a matter of sort of keeping
Speaker 2: that head, that mindset and being like, I'm just going
Speaker 2: to try and be myself and show my personality as
Speaker 2: much as I can and hopefully entertain everyone watching.
Speaker 1: You know, there's been a lot of talk about sabotage
Speaker 1: online and in the work room. Do you think that
Speaker 1: RuPaul's Drag Race is more competitive in the way that
Speaker 1: our girls play the game in comparison how it's played overseas.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing I think, and you know, I don't
Speaker 2: truly know because I haven't been on set overseas, and
Speaker 2: watching the show and being there in person two different things.
Speaker 2: Especially doing Drag Race. I will never judge another show
Speaker 2: in my life based on just watching it, and this
Speaker 2: is my cake. I think the American versions are more
Speaker 2: competitive and more strategic, whereas I think the down undergirls
Speaker 2: are very like ah, you know, whatever happens happens, you know,
Speaker 2: and Molly's choosings, I don't think we're sabotaged at all. Like,
Speaker 2: I don't think that was her mindset going in. I
Speaker 2: don't think she was trying to play the game and
Speaker 2: be strategic. So I think it was very much like
Speaker 2: on the spot decision of going, oh, you know, okay,
Speaker 2: we're just going to these two together, you know, but
Speaker 2: like she said in the episode, you know, ah, they're
Speaker 2: both in yellow and we'll just put them together. You know,
Speaker 2: I think it was very bad. It was she didn't
Speaker 2: really get time to think about it, and you really don't.
Speaker 2: You don't really have time to sort of sit there
Speaker 2: and ponder and go hmmm, unless you're trying to pick
Speaker 2: what's in the treaty's underwear. Really drag that out and
Speaker 2: take my time. But yeah, you don't really get time
Speaker 2: to sort of think. And I think, you know, it
Speaker 2: was just very that, you know, Molly's Molly's intent is
Speaker 2: always good.
Speaker 1: Well, Molly Popin said, miss congeniality is out the window.
Speaker 1: I'm here to win, which you very quickly pointed out
Speaker 1: in your piece of camera, And so for you it
Speaker 1: was not going unnoticed that she might have been like that.
Speaker 1: Do you think that Molly is being too strategic or
Speaker 1: is that just good gameplay?
Speaker 2: I think she's good at gameplay. And this is the thing,
Speaker 2: you know, Molly's always got a good heart, but she's
Speaker 2: not above game playing. She knows what she wants. So
Speaker 2: I think Molly was very in the mindset of just
Speaker 2: doing her and just sort of yeah, looking out for like,
Speaker 2: you know, number one. Because I was very close to
Speaker 2: beating Molly, very close to beating Molly in that episode,
Speaker 2: and I think, you know, I think to myself, well,
Speaker 2: if that was me, I wouldn't have done that. I
Speaker 2: would have definitely done different piry because you know, it
Speaker 2: was one right guess, one correct guess away for beating Molly.
Speaker 2: I guess so I was, yeah, I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: I would have I would have definitely changed them. But
Speaker 2: you know it is what it is. No hard feelings.
Speaker 2: You just cost me the competition, that's all. No, No,
Speaker 2: that's so Kiddy's so kidding.
Speaker 1: Well, this all kind of did come out in that
Speaker 1: mini challenge people talking about the shady pairings. Who do
Speaker 1: you think was the shadiest pairing that Molly managed to pick.
Speaker 2: Oh Uri and Benky for sure, but again, you know,
Speaker 2: I think to myself, when I really think about it,
Speaker 2: it's still paid off to them in the end. I
Speaker 2: think people, I think then and there, especially in the moment,
Speaker 2: Uri was very underestimated, and URI's a you know, phenomenal
Speaker 2: character and actually very witty and very fun to watch.
Speaker 2: And Spanky, well, Spanky is Spanky. You know, Spanky is
Speaker 2: just this amazing evervescence of a personality. So I think,
Speaker 2: you know, really, if you were going to look at
Speaker 2: it for what it was, putting the quieter one with
Speaker 2: the stronger personality, you know, kind of does balance out
Speaker 2: a little bit. I think you Spanky really would have
Speaker 2: really brought that out of Uri and really embed Uri
Speaker 2: up and that's why they won. So I think, really,
Speaker 2: in hindsight, it was one of the best pairings ever.
Speaker 2: I think, like she said on the episode, is she
Speaker 2: really wanted to be shady, she would have put me
Speaker 2: with Minnie, But again, I think, what if that would
Speaker 2: have gone to a detriment. You know, Minnie and I
Speaker 2: have worked together for nine years, so we were totally
Speaker 2: kicked aff.
Speaker 1: Well interesting with Minnie Cooper, you know, she's getting a
Speaker 1: lot of attention online with people talking about some of
Speaker 1: the drama that she's creating. Do you think that that's
Speaker 1: kind of shaken bake drama for her and is that
Speaker 1: a way for her to get noticed?
Speaker 2: Nope, that's Minnie.
Speaker 1: Okay, You've worked with her for nine years and she
Speaker 1: starts drama wherever she goes.
Speaker 2: Look, just because I've worked with her for nine years
Speaker 2: doesn't mean it's been a great working relationship. But there
Speaker 2: has definitely been no drama or beef between Mini. You know,
Speaker 2: this is the first sort of I guess confrontation I've
Speaker 2: sort of ever had with her. So that was definitely
Speaker 2: a surprise to me. But you know, i'd heard whisper
Speaker 2: and stuff before, I'd gone over about you know, what
Speaker 2: Minnie has said about me prior, and so when I
Speaker 2: found out, you know, when I walked in and saw
Speaker 2: Minnie was on the show, I was like, oh, But
Speaker 2: in my eyes, I was like, this is not the
Speaker 2: time or the place to bring this up. I will
Speaker 2: I'll take Minnie aside one day and just say hey,
Speaker 2: what's up. But then all of that happened in episode two,
Speaker 2: and I was like, well, I guess it's coming out now,
Speaker 2: so they really they really gave us a really soft,
Speaker 2: nice edit in episode two because it was a lot
Speaker 2: harsher and a lot more comfortable than what you saw.
Speaker 1: Do you get nervous worried about that because you know
Speaker 1: how much was on film, you know, you know how
Speaker 1: much was shot, So you're thinking, God, what is going
Speaker 1: to end up in the edit? Has that been a
Speaker 1: stressful process waiting for the show to go.
Speaker 2: To weir Not at all. I completely put my faith
Speaker 2: in the producers and editors on the show. I obviously
Speaker 2: got to know some of it, like a lot of
Speaker 2: them over there, and they're azing at what they do.
Speaker 2: And the difference is down under here. You know, we
Speaker 2: don't really have that villain edit. We don't really have
Speaker 2: that with nobody has their specific edits. You know, it's
Speaker 2: very much just like what you see is how it is.
Speaker 2: There's no editing, you know, there's no no one's trying to,
Speaker 2: you know, really force an edit onto someone, you know.
Speaker 2: If anything, I think it's really trying to put everyone
Speaker 2: in a good light. I think the producers have really
Speaker 2: tried to betray everyone as positively as they can because
Speaker 2: we're here to do drag. We're here.
Speaker 1: It's got to be fun.
Speaker 2: It's got to be fun. Nobody wants to be made
Speaker 2: to feel uncomfortable. So I think it was edited in
Speaker 2: the most positive way that it could be. And if
Speaker 2: people are still coming out looking like oursholes, well you
Speaker 2: can imagine if it was edited to its truest form.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I thought that Your Bottomless Brunch was actually really great,
Speaker 1: and I rewatched that episode twice before chatting with you,
Speaker 1: and the second time round I thought was even better.
Speaker 1: But I wasn't really sure about the whole fuck you
Speaker 1: fuck me, and you kind of pointed that out before
Speaker 1: it happened, and then it didn't seem to land. I
Speaker 1: guess that must have been really hard for you, working
Speaker 1: with Beverly Hills when you kind of knew that idea
Speaker 1: wasn't going to work right.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Like I said, I you know, I don't. I
Speaker 2: just didn't. I didn't like it, you know, I didn't
Speaker 2: think it was a good idea, and she was very
Speaker 2: determined to keep that in and she really wanted it
Speaker 2: in and very much about compromising, you know, and like
Speaker 2: I stated on the table, you know, we can do
Speaker 2: my thing, we can do her thing, and we can
Speaker 2: leave some room for spontaneity, but yeah, there wasn't a
Speaker 2: lot of compromise from kind.
Speaker 1: Of like where they could that's I think you've publicly
Speaker 1: discussed not being happy with the judges critique, you know,
Speaker 1: and well not the judges, but you know what Reese
Speaker 1: could have said, or Chris Parker could have said, you know,
Speaker 1: I guess they could have picked some of more of
Speaker 1: that up and said, hey, that's not going to work, right.
Speaker 2: I definitely think, you know, going in there, maybe they
Speaker 2: I think could have said, you know, along the lines
Speaker 2: of yeah, I'm right, you know, I don't think it's
Speaker 2: going to land. You know, it didn't. The proof is
Speaker 2: in the pudding. Didn't really And just even watching it back,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh god, no, not this.
Speaker 1: It's not good for a podcast. It's not good for
Speaker 1: a podcast. But this was my face.
Speaker 2: I am very that very that yeah, and I was like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah. I was sort of like looking through my fingers, like,
Speaker 2: oh god, no, but we did it, you know, I
Speaker 2: sort of, I think at the end, and this was
Speaker 2: a bad choice. On my end was sort of throwing
Speaker 2: my hands in the air and going, well, fuck it, fine,
Speaker 2: I'm sick of arguing with you, We'll keep what you
Speaker 2: want in there.
Speaker 1: I found it really frustrating because for me, it was
Speaker 1: like Beverly Hills was categorizing over preparation being better or
Speaker 1: at libbing being better. But for me, you know, I've
Speaker 1: hosted so many different events and I feel like it's
Speaker 1: a combination of the two of them, you know. And
Speaker 1: I also don't think that there's ever a right way
Speaker 1: to do it. Some people who need to over prepare, great,
Speaker 1: you over prepare as much as you want. And then
Speaker 1: for me, I need to have the space to be
Speaker 1: able to still add lib because if you're a good entertainer,
Speaker 1: you're always going to need to think on your feet.
Speaker 1: You can't script at all. And then watching that frustration
Speaker 1: between the two of you, I was.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, it was. It was so it was so
Speaker 2: frustrating because you know, you're on drag race. This is
Speaker 2: We're not just at a gig. You know, we're on
Speaker 2: drag race. This could possibly mean this could be bake
Speaker 2: or break time. And I think I have like eight
Speaker 2: years on her, and I developed that I was I've
Speaker 2: been fortunate enough to sort of be shown the ropes
Speaker 2: when I was younger, and I've grown up in drag
Speaker 2: around amazing hosts and amazing comedians, And so I learned
Speaker 2: that skill of like there is no wrong or right
Speaker 2: way to sort of do this. And I said it
Speaker 2: in the episode where I said, you know, we can
Speaker 2: prepare a little bit, we can add lib a little bit,
Speaker 2: and we'll just create that and create that space of
Speaker 2: trying to bounce off people whilst you're also still trying
Speaker 2: to keep it slightly scripted for Beverly's sake. So it
Speaker 2: was a matter of that compromise, whereas I don't think
Speaker 2: Beverly has quite learned that yet, and I hope that
Speaker 2: was a learning curve for her. But you can't you
Speaker 2: can't just do one way or the other. It's a
Speaker 2: matter of it's a real combination of everything, and there's
Speaker 2: no wrong the right way. I guess it's sort of
Speaker 2: just like, all right, well, we know what works for me,
Speaker 2: we know what works for you. Let's combine the both
Speaker 2: and let's hope for the best. And I think it
Speaker 2: was very much of let's it ended up very much
Speaker 2: being I think seventy thirty.
Speaker 1: Well, I just think the drag is not something you
Speaker 1: can script very well. I mean, the best drag queens
Speaker 1: that I know in Melbourne. You know, the best ones
Speaker 1: are people who know who they are as their character
Speaker 1: on stage and so whatever happens because you are one
Speaker 1: character entertaining with another character being the audience, You've got
Speaker 1: to be able to change and shift and underst stand
Speaker 1: where it's going to go. I think that's where having
Speaker 1: more experience really helps, and it really helps you. I mean,
Speaker 1: I have to say, when we watched all of the
Speaker 1: reveals of the Queens, your package was so well put together.
Speaker 1: I thought you were so funny and so natural, and
Speaker 1: that just goes to show you how much you understand
Speaker 1: your You understand her, you know, and respect her and
Speaker 1: understand where that's going to go.
Speaker 2: I think also doing that, you know brunch. You know,
Speaker 2: I've had a lot of messages being like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: that's not you, Like that wasn't you at all, And
Speaker 2: you know it wasn't you know. You come to my
Speaker 2: local gig, you know I am. I'm off the cuff
Speaker 2: all the time, completely and ugly made up and completely nonsense.
Speaker 2: But I've got the whole crowd laughing the whole time.
Speaker 2: So that's what I basically love doing the most is
Speaker 2: making people laugh, and I've been doing that well for
Speaker 2: like I would say, seven years now, and I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: when that was sort of happening, I was like, I'm uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: Well worked it out though. From the three episodes, You've
Speaker 1: got a face. There's a face that you pull when
Speaker 1: you're like, you know, I'm I don't think anyone would
Speaker 1: pick it up, and I think.
Speaker 2: People I want to know about this.
Speaker 1: A couple of times throughout the three episodes, where you're
Speaker 1: not completely happy with what's happening, You've got like a
Speaker 1: go to B face that you pull, and I could
Speaker 1: see that.
Speaker 2: That's like that, it's like a.
Speaker 1: And I could see it, you know. And then I
Speaker 1: feel like even in your runway, look, you know, when
Speaker 1: you were by yourself, there was a moment where I
Speaker 1: think you thought, oh, this could have been better or something.
Speaker 1: I think you were a little bit inside your head,
Speaker 1: and because you're a professional, the average person wouldn't pick
Speaker 1: up on it. But I watch live entertainers all the time,
Speaker 1: and I see it, and yeah.
Speaker 2: That episode was I was completely full of doubt inside
Speaker 2: my head and which I swore to myself I wouldn't do,
Speaker 2: but you know I was. I was hungry, I was tired,
Speaker 2: you know, there was so many things. I was feeling
Speaker 2: home sick. You know, we're also going to remember we're
Speaker 2: also there a lot longer than you see your camera. Also,
Speaker 2: I was just having a moment that day, you know,
Speaker 2: having a moment. It wasn't my week. I was feeling
Speaker 2: pretty bummed out by the toast. I felt like I
Speaker 2: sort of bombed, you know, and I did. I felt
Speaker 2: in my eyes, you know, because that wasn't me. I
Speaker 2: wasn't giving pamara and you know, there was some funny
Speaker 2: things that I had said, especially about colonization. There was
Speaker 2: like a funny joke in there about colonization, and that
Speaker 2: was like, ah, great, Like you know, people are fucking
Speaker 2: laughing the ads off about that one. But that was
Speaker 2: basically it for me, and I think the rest of
Speaker 2: it was sort of like, yeah, I just sort of
Speaker 2: felt uncomfortable. And then on the runway, I was just like,
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm just go out there and just
Speaker 2: present this gown. And I think, you know, that was
Speaker 2: my one of my most absolute favorite things to wear ever.
Speaker 2: I was so proud of it and so hot to
Speaker 2: wear it. And the funny thing is is when Ree
Speaker 2: says Mark. And I heard Reese say that on the day,
Speaker 2: and I remember I remember thinking to myself, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: don't don't laugh, don't laugh. But you know, that's where
Speaker 2: I had to sort of go, well, we're going to
Speaker 2: brush it off. We're going to shake it off, We're
Speaker 2: going to go present this down and hope to God
Speaker 2: that maybe this pulls me over the line. You know.
Speaker 1: One of the things I wanted to know though after
Speaker 1: the show. You know, if you're clashing with any of
Speaker 1: the queens, is there a system where you get any
Speaker 1: support to help any animosity between you and say someone else,
Speaker 1: like if there has been a bit of a rumble
Speaker 1: in the jungle, so to speak, through the production. Is
Speaker 1: there anyone that can jump in and try and help
Speaker 1: you girls, or do you just have to work it
Speaker 1: at yourself?
Speaker 2: You work at yourself. You know, we're adults. I guess
Speaker 2: I think it's sort of like, you know, figure it out.
Speaker 2: We do have a psychologist that we could call at
Speaker 2: any moment, but that's our own choosing if we ever
Speaker 2: want to do that. But no, if there's any and
Speaker 2: it must be you know, just figuring it out yourself
Speaker 2: when there was you know, there was, there was tensions
Speaker 2: built up, you know, from day one. I think there
Speaker 2: was a lot of many had these sort of little
Speaker 2: jabs that she'd sort of do it me little one
Speaker 2: line is that she'd sort of do it me since
Speaker 2: stay one, and I think since and then you know,
Speaker 2: when episode two happened, that was sort of just like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know what, I've had enough of the shit and
Speaker 2: it sort of blew up and then it never really
Speaker 2: recovered and it hasn't still. But that's not through that's
Speaker 2: through her lack of trying not mine should even make
Speaker 2: eye contact with me, you know. But that's just that's
Speaker 2: just me. I'm used to it.
Speaker 1: There's something so much better about the community of this
Speaker 1: experience and enjoying the relationships ian it becomes like family.
Speaker 1: So anyone that is going to choose to have that problem,
Speaker 1: I mean, they're the ones that are kind of excluding themselves.
Speaker 2: Right absolutely. But also at the same time, you know,
Speaker 2: sometimes it's best not to be friends with people. I think,
Speaker 2: you know, especially on my scene and the way that
Speaker 2: they've bullied them. I don't really want to be friends
Speaker 2: with people like that.
Speaker 1: So I feel like, if we're going to call someone
Speaker 1: a bully, though, we have to bring them into the room.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to holding a drink in my
Speaker 1: in my hand at one o'clock in the morning and
Speaker 1: being in the same rum as the two of you
Speaker 1: at one o'clock.
Speaker 2: One o'clock. Let's call it a good ten pm. But
Speaker 2: then after that, I've got to get some hungry Jackson
Speaker 2: go home because you know, no, you know, you really do,
Speaker 2: you do. They do have to be present, but you know,
Speaker 2: I'm one of those people that won't say anything behind
Speaker 2: someone's back, that I won't sit of their face exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, you've just got to really let it go,
Speaker 2: you know, you do. You have to let it go.
Speaker 2: You find where your your people are, and that's it.
Speaker 2: You find where you people are. You find your good
Speaker 2: relationships and you did you just deal what you work
Speaker 2: with them, and you live life and you move on.
Speaker 2: You be happy and you make you know, your bake
Speaker 2: bread and that's it.
Speaker 1: I feel like I missed out on the opportunity to
Speaker 1: ask a question about your red fulfilled look before when
Speaker 1: you were talking about with a runway look, I wondered,
Speaker 1: you know, with that looked so amazing during the runway,
Speaker 1: but with the lip sync where you did the peel
Speaker 1: and reveal. I wasn't sure if you were happy with
Speaker 1: the peel and reveal, like the panty piece that you
Speaker 1: were underneath.
Speaker 2: It didn't that was not intended reveal. What that was
Speaker 2: not an intended reveal at all. If it fucking was,
Speaker 2: I would have put on red underwear. I would.
Speaker 1: They did you the favor though of cutting it out though,
Speaker 1: because they were like, you know, for a lot of it,
Speaker 1: they were just cutting you from the head up anyway.
Speaker 1: But I just was like, oh, I thought that was
Speaker 1: a peel and reveal. It goes to show how stupid
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 2: So many people did you know there was a I
Speaker 2: was watching a YouTube series of people being like, you know,
Speaker 2: I just wish she had bread undermere on and blah
Speaker 2: blah blah, and it's like, well, so do I, so
Speaker 2: do I. But I didn't plan on revealing. I didn't
Speaker 2: plan on ripping off my skirt. I didn't plan on
Speaker 2: that at all. But you know, sometimes you've got to
Speaker 2: think on your feet and just go with it. I
Speaker 2: was not about to go down without a fight, and
Speaker 2: I wasn't about to dance in forty meters of Gavid fabric.
Speaker 2: You know, it just gotta do what you gotta do,
Speaker 2: and that means taking off your skirt to reveal you're delicious.
Speaker 2: Nude panties.
Speaker 1: Nude panties. I was like, nude panties is not what
Speaker 1: needs to happen right now, and it just yeah, now
Speaker 1: it's all makes sense.
Speaker 2: What you've got noude panties is what I had on
Speaker 2: and that's all I had. Look, it could have been
Speaker 2: worse than it could have been black panties, and we
Speaker 2: already know.
Speaker 1: Don't worry. I was running late for this interview, and
Speaker 1: so were you. But I've been sitting here waiting for
Speaker 1: you to get here. So I'm sitting here with no
Speaker 1: pants on, which you can't see. But I was you
Speaker 1: could turn up at any point, so I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't leave the room to go and get my pants.
Speaker 1: So turns out we have a lot in common, my friend.
Speaker 2: You know what, the fun fact is, I'm not wearing
Speaker 2: cants either.
Speaker 1: That's what makes a good podcast, right, But I've got
Speaker 1: to be comfortable. We're gonna move on, you know, just
Speaker 1: quickly before you go. One of the things I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you about the overall tone of this series
Speaker 1: was is our humor a little bit more bawdy and
Speaker 1: a little bit more outrageous than any other version around
Speaker 1: the world. Do you think that we as Australians and
Speaker 1: New Zealanders, that we have a more body sense of humor?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Our ourisons of humor is unlike anyone else's, like
Speaker 2: like it's it's so it's so unique and it's so different,
Speaker 2: but it's so funny. It's it's amazing, you know. I
Speaker 2: love I love the down Under sense of humor and
Speaker 2: I just think it sometimes doesn't, you know, always translate
Speaker 2: to people outside of down Under and that's a shame.
Speaker 2: But you know, hopefully I think the more and more
Speaker 2: seasons that happen, you know, maybe the Australian humor might
Speaker 2: rub off a little bit and they might, you know,
Speaker 2: start understanding it some more.
Speaker 1: I always ask, what's something from behind the scenes of
Speaker 1: the series that you worked on, But you know, there's
Speaker 1: so many rules and regulations, you know when it comes
Speaker 1: to RuPaul's Drag Race, which I completely respect. It is
Speaker 1: a huge global franchise. So I've bumped that question out
Speaker 1: now and I'm now just asking a series of questions
Speaker 1: I call it shady or and you have to work
Speaker 1: out whether you want to be shady and answer the
Speaker 1: question or be a lady and veto it. Alright, shady,
Speaker 1: old lady. Who was the most talented?
Speaker 2: Oh god, that's a loaded question all of us? I
Speaker 2: mean that depends what the talent is, but yeah, all
Speaker 2: of us.
Speaker 1: So you don't think there was one person, not someone
Speaker 1: who's progressing. I mean it could be faux from the
Speaker 1: first episode, like, you don't think that there's one person
Speaker 1: that you just were like, Wow, they are really talented
Speaker 1: but unnoticed.
Speaker 2: Could Hannah beat me in a look yes? Could I
Speaker 2: beat her in a dance off? Yes? Could Beverly beat
Speaker 2: me in a dance off? Yes? Can I beat her
Speaker 2: in comedy? Yes? You know, everyone had their strength and skills.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to say that you said lady for
Speaker 1: that one because that was not shady at all. That
Speaker 1: was lovely. You were a lady. Who is the funniest?
Speaker 2: Can I give a top three?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Just one?
Speaker 1: How are you bad at this? I was expecting you
Speaker 1: to be like, bang bang bang.
Speaker 2: Fine me me ben me there that what you wanted me?
Speaker 1: Your top three? Who's your top three?
Speaker 2: Me? Hannah speaky.
Speaker 1: Okay, who is the messiest queen?
Speaker 2: This will be shady messiest.
Speaker 1: So and this is the last one for you who
Speaker 1: deserve to go instead of you.
Speaker 3: Oh fuck me, Ben Jesus Christ really end with a
Speaker 3: doozy Oh god, Oh I don't know.
Speaker 2: Don't do that to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is what it is. I mean, no one's
Speaker 1: gonna They're not gonna come for you. Have They just
Speaker 1: just be like because I've.
Speaker 2: Already said a name so many times in this podcast,
Speaker 2: and I don't want to seem like I'm really coming
Speaker 2: at it because I'm not. But current consensus between you know,
Speaker 2: me and the other girls, I'm gonna say, Minni.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, we got there at the.
Speaker 2: Edge because of the nipause.
Speaker 1: I don't want to start on a thing. I don't
Speaker 1: want to start on a thing. I'm not Richard's from
Speaker 1: the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills close to it anyway.
Speaker 1: I just want to say how fantastic I thought you were.
Speaker 1: I absolutely loved you. I honestly thought as I was
Speaker 1: watching the series you were a top three queen for me.
Speaker 1: I'm so disappointed that you've gone. But one thing is
Speaker 1: for sure, like the rest of the world. We will
Speaker 1: be in your audience, so I look forward to seeing
Speaker 1: what you're doing next. And thank you so much for
Speaker 1: your time.
Speaker 2: Ah, thank you, Ben, it's been it's been great, you know,
Speaker 2: it's been great talking to you. You're fantastic and I
Speaker 2: can't wait to show what I've got coming up, and
Speaker 2: there's a lot, so stay shinned.