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Speaker 1: Hey, before we start, I just wanted to say, if

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Speaker 1: any of this makes you feel anything which means that

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Speaker 1: you want to talk to someone, then please contact Lifeline

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Speaker 1: on thirteen eleven fourteen. Doesn't have to be dire. They're

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Speaker 1: there all the time to answer the phones. They're amazing people.

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Speaker 1: They'll talk to you about anything if you feel the

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Speaker 1: need to talk. There's no problem too small for them,

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Speaker 1: So please just call. Because some of this stuff is

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Speaker 1: going to be ringing a few bells, which I'm sure

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Speaker 2: Is right?

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Speaker 3: All right here, Welcome to the world of sound.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty amazing, isn't it. I'm sure you've all seen them,

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Speaker 1: those videos of kids when they're here for the first time.

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Speaker 4: What do you do?

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Speaker 5: A cochlear implant, that's what it's called.

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Speaker 3: Is that amazing?

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Speaker 5: And unless you're in the position where you can't hear.

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Speaker 1: It's almost inevitable that you take verbal communication for grunded.

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Speaker 1: It's something that we're just so used to that its

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Speaker 1: genius tends to fly over our heads.

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Speaker 5: Think about it for a second.

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Speaker 1: Your ears register sound waves and then your brain processes

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Speaker 1: them as information. Just let that sink in Our most

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Speaker 1: important form of communication happens when our brain sends information

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Speaker 1: to another brain through complex patterns of air pressure.

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Speaker 5: Is that sinking in? Maybe not.

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Speaker 1: Look, I'm just going to double down on this because

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Speaker 1: I genuinely think it's the most outrageous thing that we

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Speaker 1: can do as humans. I have a thought translated into

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Speaker 1: air pressure patterns. My lungs create air which is sculpted

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Speaker 1: have to vibrate at the right time. They make these

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Speaker 1: complex patterns of air pressure. You then, through your own

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Speaker 1: ear and your brain, reinterpret that you understand me. And

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Speaker 1: all of that happens within an eighth of a second

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Speaker 1: without either of us thinking about it. My point is,

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Speaker 1: talking's completely fucked like. It's a genuine freak of nature,

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Speaker 1: and quite possibly, I think, the most outrageous thing that,

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Speaker 1: when you think about it, any of us have actually

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Speaker 1: form of communication. It is our greatest weapon. But for

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Speaker 1: of our generation, it's completely useless. It's pretty much universally

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Speaker 1: agreed that the best way to get help when you're

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Speaker 5: It, to talk.

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Speaker 1: But the paradox is that when you're actually going through something,

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Speaker 1: talking is pretty much the hardest thing to do in

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Speaker 1: the world. Hey, Will, what are you getting at home?

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Speaker 5: See, it's my job to talk to people.

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Speaker 1: Lots of people all over Australia at the same time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they're going to be doing it.

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Speaker 1: He's a big TikTok JOCKI He's going to be out there.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry. I didn't mean to say that.

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Speaker 1: It's a ridiculous job and even though it's hard some days,

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Speaker 5: Anyway, I was watching maps and Reese Bryce.

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Speaker 1: Despite this being my job, there's a point in my

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Speaker 1: You have to work with me intimately in circumstances which

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Speaker 1: talking about it is nearly impossible. He has writing the

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Speaker 1: didn't know, I wish. Just in case you're wondering, Amy

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, rank name drop early.

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Speaker 1: I've just spoken about the science of speech for the

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Speaker 5: It's complicated. Is it easy for you to communicate through

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Speaker 1: What I find fascinating about her and other artists I

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Speaker 5: Through their creativity.

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Speaker 1: I think Adele famously took ages between her first and

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Speaker 5: She wasn't heartbroken enough to write anything decent.

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Speaker 1: And in a lot of ways, they're lucky because not

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Speaker 1: But Amy definitely knows you've got these avenues where it's

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And I feel the same sometimes, Like I've spoken

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Speaker 6: that person and like they can't you know what I mean? So,

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Speaker 6: and like you said, anyone that doesn't have an outlet

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Speaker 1: But what about you, the people that have to listen

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Speaker 5: I get it. Because the miracle of speech is Rallied nations.

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Speaker 1: We should fight with growing confidence and growing strength in

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Speaker 5: It's inspired whole social movements. I have a dream. It

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Speaker 4: I'm also just a girl standing in front of a

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Speaker 5: It can make us laugh.

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Speaker 2: They've come to this planet looking for intelligent life.

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Speaker 5: Oh to be men.

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Speaker 8: A mistake happen to be in America that's got a income.

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Speaker 1: But it is obviously just not equipped to combat the

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Speaker 5: Planet and that's killing us. Literally it is.

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Speaker 1: Every second day an Australian trade takes their own life.

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Speaker 4: Just imagine a trade very blokey. Most of them are blokes.

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Speaker 1: This is Gus warn the founder of Got Your for Life.

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Speaker 1: I actually love the way that Gus talks. It's honest,

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Speaker 1: it's to the point he actually wants to eradicate suicide.

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Speaker 1: But the problem is that some people, and like I

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Speaker 5: Rather die than have a conversation like this.

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Speaker 8: You want every other to just forgive me for how

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Speaker 8: I'd been and what I'd said. And I know how

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Speaker 8: many bosses you've talked of all edge because of how

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Speaker 8: I've been, But thank you. And that's a really scary

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Speaker 8: part I think of having a mental illness is, yeah,

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Speaker 1: So the reason I'm doing this podcast is because of

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Speaker 1: something which struck me after watching that video of Woods

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Speaker 5: It's good man, how are you? How's pretty good. This

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Speaker 9: Little Stewy little in the house at the moment, in

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Speaker 5: So we've known each other for twenty nine years. I'm

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Speaker 10: But I think his I think his fun's about to end.

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Speaker 9: I'm going to have to go up to mind to

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Speaker 5: I was going to say, what I was going to

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Speaker 9: Trap, but I'm going to send him out on a high.

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Speaker 9: I'm going to go get some really nice cheese for him.

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Speaker 9: I'm going to I'm going to get a serious block

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Speaker 5: It's like his final meal. Yeah, it's his last supper.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, something happened about a year ago when Wolfe and

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Speaker 5: Ship.

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Speaker 11: When you're flat, there's no eye contact, which is one

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Speaker 5: This is my old producer Tea.

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Speaker 7: I am your saucy partner and I talk for you.

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Speaker 5: Why are you attracted to me?

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Speaker 7: Yes, yes, absolutely, I should have won that fight. Anyway,

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Speaker 7: I'm going to carry on please here.

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Speaker 5: So that's really handy for me. But what about everyone else.

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Speaker 1: See, after I made that video, loads of people told

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Speaker 1: me how inspired they were. It's pretty much the only

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Speaker 1: thing that everyone has ever recognized me from. Yeah, crying

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Speaker 1: on a couch is the image most people associate me with.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes when people come over, they actually point at the

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Speaker 1: couch and say.

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Speaker 5: Wow, Hey, isn't that the couch. Isn't that the couch

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Speaker 5: that you cried on? I thought I was.

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Speaker 3: Doing a good job just to show that it doesn't

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Speaker 3: affect me anymore.

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Speaker 1: I know, Yes, it's all worth it, so worth it.

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Speaker 5: Seriously, though it is.

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Speaker 1: It sucks in those moments, but it's all okay because

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Speaker 1: I know how much they got from it. I know

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Speaker 1: it opened up ABMs of communicat avenues of communication for

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Speaker 1: people and groups of people, and they revealed things and

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Speaker 1: their friends and family about their mental health that they're

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Speaker 1: never revealed before. But people just aren't going to continue

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Speaker 1: to talk about this stuff if it means this level

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Speaker 1: of conversation every time.

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Speaker 5: It's exhausting.

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Speaker 1: So back to the pain in the asks question, how

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Speaker 1: do I get people to.

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Speaker 5: Communicate without talking?

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Speaker 1: It's a ridiculous question, arguably one that's nearly impossible to answer,

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Speaker 1: but its difficulty is the reason that mental illness is

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Speaker 1: the number one killer of men under the age of sixty,

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Speaker 1: And that means that no matter how hard it is,

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Speaker 1: like all problems, it's made to be solved, it must

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Speaker 1: be solved. I often say that the great paradox of

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Speaker 1: the mental health crisis is that it can't be stopped

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Speaker 1: by the people suffering.

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Speaker 5: It has to come from the people who aren't.

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Speaker 1: But how can they know that there's a problem when

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Speaker 1: the people who are suffering can't tell them about it? Again,

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Speaker 1: how do I get people to communicate without talking? Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to try and answer that question through a

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Speaker 1: series of excruciating interviews with friends and family, and outrageous

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Speaker 1: chats with entrepreneurs, media personality, and an awful explanation for myself.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to by the end of this podcast hopefully

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Speaker 1: release an app which will answer this question and make

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Speaker 1: a difference.

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Speaker 3: Is all right, welcome to the world of.

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Speaker 1: Sound Talking is miraculous, But the stats are telling us

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Speaker 1: that our prehistoric miracle is not cut out.

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Speaker 5: To deal with the enemy.

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Speaker 1: You need a weapon, and my hope, and stupidly my

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Speaker 1: ambitious goal is that everyone should have access to that weapon.

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Speaker 5: Thankfully.

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Speaker 1: I think that I don't have to invent anything groundbreaking.

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Speaker 1: In fact, as you'll soon hear, I think the foundation

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Speaker 1: for it is actually sitting in your pocket right now.

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Speaker 1: But if you've got any fresh ideas, please honestly hit

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Speaker 1: me up. I'm not sure when you're this or when

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Speaker 1: you start listening to this, but every day from the

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Speaker 1: tenth of May twenty twenty one, on our show Will

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Speaker 1: and Woody, I'm going to update you on where I

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Speaker 1: am with this quest where they're every day four TOI

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Speaker 1: h six pm. It's different in different cities, so I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to try and explain it, but just google

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Speaker 1: this or something, and.

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Speaker 5: You guys can call.

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Speaker 1: You can call Live thirty one oh sixty five is

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Speaker 1: the phone number if you're in the car or whatever

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Speaker 1: at that time. Because I want you to be a

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Speaker 1: part of it too. I don't want this app to

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Speaker 1: just preach to you and tell you how you are.

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Speaker 1: I want to hear your stories, and I'm going to

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Speaker 1: try and release one of these every couple of days

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Speaker 1: so that I can incorporate the stories into the podcast,

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Speaker 1: so that we can actually try and solve it together.

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Speaker 1: I one hundred percent cannot do this by myself, and

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Speaker 1: that's not surprising because I reckon this is the biggest

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Speaker 1: problem of our generation. How can we get people to

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Speaker 1: communicate without talking? Maybe try putting yourself in the first

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Speaker 1: perse in there. How would I communicate without talking?

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Speaker 5: How could I share my mood?

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Speaker 1: Next time on Share my Mood find out how a

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Speaker 1: long lost friend, the King of TV, and tens of

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Speaker 1: thousands of dollars catapult this project to the next level.

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Speaker 1: Share my Mood is produced by Jackson mcclennan, all music

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Speaker 1: by Robert Bremner, Cover design by Lucky Cu and a

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Speaker 1: huge thanks to my co host and best mate Woody

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Speaker 1: Whitelaw for suffering me, and also to my entire team

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Speaker 1: who have and continue to support a pipe dream. Just

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Speaker 1: a quick reminder before I go that if anything in

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Speaker 1: the podcast brought up anything for you where you feel

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Speaker 1: like you need to talk to someone, then you can

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Speaker 1: call Lifeline on thirteen eleven fourteen, Like, just call them that. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: you don't need to feel ashamed or embarrassed about why

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Speaker 1: you're calling them. I mean they'll listen to you no

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Speaker 1: matter what your problem is. That's the amazing part of

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Speaker 1: the service. So use IT thirty eleven, fourteen,