WEBVTT - S06E09 - Delve deeper into... Pursuing Artistry with Niasha 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.760 And music. You actually need the hiatus. You need the 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:06.920 rest to be able to come from a place that 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:08.320 like you've filled. 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:11.000 That feeling of like people seeing you and you're seeing 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:12.760 them and that energy exchange. 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:19.000 Like wow, it's I understand why big artists who tore 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:20.119 our own cokaine. 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:23.200 There's a certain duality you probably have had to exist. 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:25.560 And you know, being a career woman and then also 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:40.640 being a musician, how do you manage that. 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:47.440 I'm always always be careful those. 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:51.319 Hi. 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:55.560 I'm Amanda and I'm Rumby. Welcome to you. It's layered podcasts. 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.480 We're under the Black Past Network powered by iHeart and 0:00:58.520 --> 0:00:59.880 recording in studio. 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:03.280 Today and we've been laughing already before we even started 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:07.600 this immaculate because you're in Bittersweet studio and with this 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:10.760 beautiful setup done by Pink Lady Picnics, We've got a 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:11.959 beautiful guests. 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:17.520 Welcome, Welcome to It's lead like, let's let the people 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:21.039 know who you are, put some respect, come on your name, 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:28.720 let's just come incorrect. Naha truly personifies the saying that 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:31.440 dynamites come in small packages. If you're watching this on 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:34.319 the video, you'll see she's looking like five. 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:42.920 How Wow Gone Wow. 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:48.720 Above and born singer, songwriter, rapper and spoken word artists 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:52.360 based in Melbourne, Australia, attributes her upbringing in Zimbabwe as 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:56.000 paramount to her sound and development as a creative artist. 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:59.400 Her creativity and talent have given her the ability to 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:02.400 explore my pole genres and you can never tell what 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:06.000 to expect, which she believes is a superpower. A love 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:10.760 of psychology, community, enjoyment, and love. Niasha dolves into these 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:16.200 themes through her music and visual conceptualization Zoom Today. 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:23.720 But we've got this, we got welcome. Hello, so good 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:25.840 to have you here. It's so so good to have 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:26.239 you here. 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:29.440 Yeah, we were giggling having the best time before we 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:32.320 press record, and we're so excited to have this conversation 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:35.720 with you and to get to know about you because honestly, 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:37.720 and I think we said it when we spoke on 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:42.440 Zoom before, it's you know, we don't get to spotlight 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:45.200 our artists as much as this. You know, it's hard 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:47.840 to find and get to really know a bit more 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:50.079 about them. So that's why we're here, and we thank 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:52.679 you for making the time to be here. So we're 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:55.480 gonna go all the way back, Okay, we're gonna. 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:57.399 Start from. 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:03.200 How would you describe the music you make and how 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:06.160 you got into it, Like when did you know that 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:08.320 music was going to be a part of you and 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:09.600 who you are going to be. 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:13.040 I've always loved music as a child. So if we're 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:17.440 going back back back to the beninging, when I was 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:22.440 in krage, like I was part of all the musical things, like, yeah, 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:25.280 I wanted to play the piano I wanted to do 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:27.920 And the funniest story about all of that is so 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:31.040 my dad used to work in Botwana when we lived 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:34.040 in Zimbabwe, and I asked them to buy like a 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:36.760 toy keyboard and it was the real thing. So that's 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:41.400 how I learned how to play keys. So that's kind 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:44.040 of in the journey and the story. If you grow 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:46.840 up in church and people spotlight that you can sing, 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:54.960 you're gonna be in the choir something that was also 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:58.680 my training ground in terms of like developing how to 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:02.920 sing singing and how harmonies, yeah, outdoors, all that kind 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:05.720 of stuff as well. So that's contributed, but also just 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:08.000 the music that I grew up around. Now all of 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:11.080 them tookward Z in fact, all the brand of Farsis 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:14.760 and Malaika, all that kind of influence from all over 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.520 the place, and then later on the Lauren Hills and 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:20.040 the different stuff that I listened. 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:24.440 To now that i'm but your stage presence is really 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:28.120 like something to note. You have an energy and your 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:30.080 engagement of the crowd. I think I saw a clip 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:31.800 of you at an event or I don't if it's 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:33.839 a wedding or something, but even just like how you 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:37.960 got everyone going, I think it's something that so many 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:40.520 people can sing, but not everyone can entertain. 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:42.560 Yeah, take that distinction. 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:45.000 Yeah, So when you listed like a brend of Fassi 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:47.840 in terms of like your inspiration, like, I'm like, okay, 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:50.920 I can see that. Like for the performance aspect, could 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:52.680 you share like some of your influences. 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:55.279 Oh those are really tough to think off the top 0:04:55.320 --> 0:05:00.400 of my head. But hm, I guess you could say Brenda. 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:04.599 But it's just more just watch it. I enjoy. Like 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:07.960 if I go to a concert, for example, I immerse 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:10.839 myself in like what the artist is trying to do. 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:13.880 So that's why I like, for example, I like to 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:16.160 be there early because I want to see, Okay, how 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:19.000 are the people here? Because your audience is also like 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:21.800 reflective of the type of music that you made, the 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:24.520 kind of energy that you give off, and then how 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:26.520 they start the show and how they end the show. 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:28.040 So every time I go to a concert, you can 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:30.720 see me with my phone like, Okay, I like how 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:34.200 they did that. I'm a big learner. Yeah, So I 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:37.719 wouldn't say I have one specific influence. I just learn 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:39.919 from whoever I encounter. 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:42.080 That's so true, and that's why I say, I know 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:44.960 people are giving Kendrick Lamar a hard time about doing 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:47.600 the super Bowl, But if you've watched him in concept, 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:51.000 you know he ain't no rapper standing there with the mic. 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:52.479 Let's just put it out there. 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:55.360 So I think people have this misconception that, like, oh 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:58.520 he speaks on very deep topics or whatever, he can't perform. 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:01.960 But you're yeah, I mean the other. 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:04.080 Super Bowl that he did and he had the guys 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:08.680 that went hard, the Doctor dre One, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:09.160 I remember. 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:14.920 I mean, you've toured just recently with Sampa the Great. 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:15.839 Can you tell us more? 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:25.800 What? Well? It's what would you like to know? Why 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:33.960 can you tell Touring with Sampa was interesting in two 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:36.200 ways because I've known Samba for a really long time, 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:39.320 so we had developed sort of a friendship in comparison 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:42.600 to like working together. So the opportunity actually came because 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:45.880 one of her backing vocalist actually felt sick. Yeah, it 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:48.240 was Yeah, it was really tough for the crew. And 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:50.920 then we were all in Adelaide for this first of 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:53.360 all called War Adelaide, And initially I was only meant 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.279 to do like the spoken Word that I'd done the 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:59.480 previous year. And she sent me the tracks and she's like, hey, 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:03.000 you know there's a song called black Role Magic and whatever. Whatever. 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:05.279 Are you able to like just jump in with us? 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:05.760 All right? 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:06.080 Cool? 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:08.280 I'm like trying to learn the songs. And then next thing, 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:10.760 you know, she was like, I mean the whole set, 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:13.720 and I was like, okay, so I'm getting my makeup 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:17.800 ready to go to the show. Wow, trying to figure 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:19.160 out the harmonies. 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:22.239 Oh wow, that is a true artist right there. 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:24.480 Insane. We're driving, I'm listening to it. I'm like, okay, 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:27.600 I need to learn the words. Yeah, so learn the harmonies, 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:29.520 learn where to go in, where to stop. We're just 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:32.560 like it was just insane. So I just went on 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:36.040 that stage, didn't knew what I knew. And luckily, because 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:37.840 Sample is my friend, I listened to her music, so 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:41.080 I need I've been to the rehearsals and we just 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:46.400 went and did it. Then after that her other working vocalist, TiO, 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:49.840 was also a great musician in Zambia, had to take 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:52.280 some time off and then she asked me to join 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:55.480 at all. And then that's isn't that a story of 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:57.160 stay ready? So you don't. 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:02.960 Because you obviously you know your craft, so you prepared 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:05.680 to learn and understand music and all that, so when 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:09.560 you're called in, you're ready to rumble. I know, I'm 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:11.560 sure it was you know, a lot to do. But 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:14.520 at the same time, I think you'd have you built 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:16.960 that muscle right so that you could step up to 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.360 the plate, which is a lesson online. 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:21.040 Because I saw I was laughing and I was thinking 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:22.840 life on toll how is that? And I was like 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:26.400 following you and seeing all your you were like hot 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:27.440 take you know Victoria. 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:32.920 Yeah, but I was like, you know what one of the. 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:39.800 Represent how was it being on tour, going on stage? 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:42.319 Like how does that feel? Day after days? I think 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:44.240 people just see the end, right, we see you. You 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:47.800 don't see the reversals, the creative behind that. 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:51.559 Yeah, what's so funny? As well, like after that the 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.280 war made laid situation that I'm talking about. So she 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:56.000 asked me to come on tour. She send me the 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:58.400 music and I'm learning it, and I thought when we 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:01.400 got there, would you have like a one two? So yeah, 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:04.240 we got there and they're like, okay, this is our stage, 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:06.800 like is tomorrow We're just gonna have a discussion, I said, 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:12.520 a discussion music. So I was literally learning as I went, 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:15.240 like learning like you know, how to how to also 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:17.240 find my voice in terms of like because with in 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:19.440 ear monitors, like if you can't hear yourself, you can't 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:21.320 hear someone. You actually have to say like I can't 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:25.640 hear I can't if you're uncomfortable about something like actually mentioning. 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.320 But the great thing about being under someone like sample 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:31.680 was that she's is that she's so patient and she's 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:34.880 so understanding and she wants to make sure that you're comfortable. 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:36.880 So she would come up to me, she'd be like, 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:38.360 are you okay? Are you feeling okay? Is it something 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:40.280 that we need to like practice later? And at the 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:43.120 hotel like things like that. She always makes sure that 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:47.080 everybody's good. Like she's so humble, and I think being 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:50.600 on tour with her was like a masterclass, like being 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:54.200 able to just like sit but also serve like someone 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:57.560 else's dream like that was that was me and I 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:02.679 learned a lot like the way she works the work ethic. Yeah, 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:06.320 through the tiredness, through all the crazy things that happened 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:08.120 behind the scenes on tour, we can go into that. 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:10.559 Yeah, I can imagine. 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:14.240 Were your family and friends always supportive of your musical journey. 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:21.440 Don't know you said people what it was, it was 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:30.160 just for like a year. Dogs. I think my family 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:33.640 actually didn't anticipate how serious this would get. I think 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:35.679 in Zim it's it's kind of chill because you're like, no, 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:39.199 she's she's in the church choir, so that's nice. But 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:41.280 when you move to a place like Australia, when music 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:44.360 can actually be your career, I think it didn't really 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:49.000 sink in for my parents in particular yet as to 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:52.960 like the possibilities and also just I think what they 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:55.960 were worried about maybe is like the safety in the industry, 0:10:56.080 --> 0:11:00.000 the stability, and also because I'm not just the music 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:03.400 like I'm quite like, uh, I guess let's. 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:12.920 Claim and claim You're thinking, is this going to be 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:13.520 a talk. 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:22.200 Doing my gigs and you my gigs. It's just like, okay, 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:24.600 it's as cute as a hobby, the thing that you 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:28.120 do like after school or during school assemblies and we 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:31.040 can come and watch you in school settings in high school. 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:34.240 But like pursuing it was really, like really really tough 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:37.920 for them, especially like from a religious background, because you know, 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:40.880 there's always that debate of like either washing guard. 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:49.959 Or yeah, gigs at night in the frondom of people taking. 0:11:55.640 --> 0:12:00.439 We've lost her going back. Yeah, I understand they're worries 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:03.720 because obviously there hasn't been anyone in our family or 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:06.760 someone they can see as a reference. The references that 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:09.160 we see are people who are on drugs and they died. 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:15.280 Yeah yeah, there's no bit of a yeah yeah yeah, 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.160 this went well. So essentially it's like and they went 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:20.720 on dlags, they died. Yeah, so that's what's gonna happen 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:23.360 to you. That's gonna happen yeah, yeah, so true. 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:25.680 And that brings me to the next question, because there's 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:29.240 so many misconceptions about being an artist and making music 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:33.480 and music's music and their myths and all this. What 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:37.280 are some myths or misconceptions about making music? Being an 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:41.319 artist that you would like to debunk And why do 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:44.680 you think there are these kind of mythal ideas around that? 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:49.040 Oh, there are many, I think. I think one of 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:52.800 the main ones is like people assume, well, think that 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:56.360 making music is quite easy. Just like the process of 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:58.920 like oh, you write a song and then you put 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:01.520 it in one of recording and then you released it. Yeah, 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:04.679 that process is excruciating. 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:05.280 Yeah. 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:08.640 Yeah, sometimes like you get like, for example, for myself, 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:12.440 there's songs that I haven't that I'm still working on 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:15.000 that we started working on in twenty twenty two. Oh 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:18.920 wow wow yeah, and it's like the song is complete 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:21.280 but not yet but whatever. And then there's some songs 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:23.680 like there was one instance we went in the studio 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.960 he was like, sicco I don't know if you know, Kegan. 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:31.000 He was playing something on his on the laptop and 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:32.400 then I was like, oh, I have an idea. We 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:34.720 wrote the song in one day and now it was 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:37.920 just like fixing it. So that aspect of like you know, 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:41.400 songs can take time. Some songs take years, some songs 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:44.720 take a session. Some songs take and you actually don't 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:50.160 know and when it will. Yeah, that materiate it also 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:54.880 the fact that, like I guess we're always confident is 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:57.560 another misconception. What did Erica wud you say? 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:00.160 I'm an artisan and I'm sensitive. 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:04.920 Ship That's what she's she meant it because yeah, like 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:09.680 like songs are babies, so any like criticism any like 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:16.000 you try to do that like already but yeah so 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:21.520 the and and if you're somebody who deals with perfectionism, yeah, 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:25.800 bad part. It's like you're nitpicking. You're constantly like it's 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:27.960 it never stops true. So like it'll be like you 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:30.040 finished writing the song, You're like, Okay, cool, that's fine. 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:32.400 We've done the production of the track. Okay, that's fine. 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:34.160 And like, for example, in the process that i'm in, 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:37.160 like mixing, fixing, I'm mastering a song, You'll be like, ah, 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:39.240 I like it, but I don't love it. Okay again, 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:41.160 do this again, fix this, fix this little thing. Fix 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:44.040 like that. Nobody will probably even here. Yeah, people are not. 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:49.000 Someone I think listen to a song and be like anyway, 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:52.480 I think artists very like can be very subjective, right, 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:56.520 so you know your intent going into making it, and. 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:59.680 Like what you hope for it to do, like for example. 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:03.040 Me, my day job. Anybody like outside going to be 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:05.360 like Rumby, you don't know how to do that, or 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:08.120 like you you wrote a bad sentence, like they have 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:10.520 no clue what I'm doing. But art is a very 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:15.200 like it's you display, you share, it's something really once done. 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:17.920 It's there, and the shame can be both ways exact 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:19.280 opinions exactly. 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:22.080 So I think that's what makes it even more difficult 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:27.440 because you're critiqued by so many people, different different, different visions. 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:28.240 Why did you do that? 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:31.680 How come you know? So I can understand why you 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:35.200 feel protective of your baby and then like you feel 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:36.560 like it has to be perfect? 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:40.800 But yeah, well that's. 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:42.800 You spoke of the energy you have when you perform, 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:46.720 and we've seen it many times and we love it. 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:49.240 But how does it feel for you when you're on 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:52.600 stage and you're performing for a crowd? And if you 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:54.600 can give us an idea of when it's a crowd 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:57.200 that vibes and a crowd that like. 0:15:57.120 --> 0:15:59.760 What do you engage in yourself for each of them? 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:03.960 Because want an image? What do we give you back 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:05.240 that makes you feel? 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:08.800 Yeah? I mean to start off with like, because I 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:11.880 feel so honored and privileged to have this gift, like 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:15.280 I am grateful regardless of whether people give me energy 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:17.560 or not, which is why probably you see the energy 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:20.720 because despite what people are doing, it can add more 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:23.600 like if people are already feeding to what we're doing, 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:25.320 and then it's like, oh, oh. 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:30.880 You're okay, we can really, we can really. 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:37.120 Okay, Now how you can go? Do you so? Stepping 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:39.320 and and a lot of it also is adrenaline, like 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:42.040 just sheer adrenaline, like you're jumping on You're about to 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.960 have a good time. It also depends sometimes whether I'm 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:48.200 doing with my band or bout myself. I guess the 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:53.200 mental thought process behind it is just like you get 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:56.480 to show your music like this is these are songs 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:59.120 that I'm writing in my bedroom. Is like when I 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:01.040 was still living with my has this music that I'm 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:03.400 making on my keyboard late at night randomly when I 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:06.560 can't sleep or whatever. So now people get to experience 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.400 like where I'm coming from with the music. In some instances, 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:13.480 I can explain what's the I guess the idea behind 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:16.479 the music. And you see people just like enjoying and 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:17.480 have a good time, and. 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:21.240 That is how does it like that experience of people 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:25.280 like giving you energy? That was like I kind of matter. 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:27.840 I'm not a I don't perform. I mean, I've been 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:29.520 in choir. But it's a different thing when you're in 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:33.679 a group versus like that feeling of like people seeing 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:36.280 you and you've seeing them and that energy exchange. 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:42.840 Like wow, it's I don't know how to explain it. Yeah, yeah, 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:47.920 it's almost like a soul to soul spirit spirit connection. 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:50.719 You're like, you see me as a person on a stage, 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:53.639 but I also see you as a person as people 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:56.560 we're here. We all have different life experiences, but we're 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:59.639 in this moment together hearing probably a song you've never 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:02.119 heard before for a song I've listened to plays and 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:06.480 so many times. But we're like our I guess our 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:10.600 lives have collided and to be able to share in 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:14.720 that moment, and I'm glad that I can give some 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:18.320 like relief or joy or whatever it is that somebody 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:22.280 is like coming out to look forward, search for that's beautiful. 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:25.000 I mean, you spoke about having your degree, and obviously 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:28.080 there's a certain duality you probably have had to exist, 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:30.520 and you know, being a career woman and then also 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:34.840 being a musician. How do you manage that till this day? 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:41.200 How did you even logistically logistic really because I think people, 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:43.240 as you said, people make you make it look easy. 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:43.800 That's just the truth. 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:46.919 That social media also highlights that because you see a 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:49.680 highlight reel. But we want to know on a day 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:53.200 to day what does it take to really okay? 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:56.480 So disclaimer. So I studied psychology and currently I work 0:18:56.560 --> 0:19:01.400 full time in child protection. So let's start there. So 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:05.320 my days can look anywhere to Like, I wake up 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:07.080 in the morning, I do all the work, and I 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:10.080 work with children, so there's a lot of trauma stuff 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:13.320 that's happening working with parents, dealing with parents, you know, 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:15.840 because where I work we deal a lot with play 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:19.920 therapy like reconciliation between child and parent, and role modeling 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:22.320 like positive attachments and all that kind of stuff. So 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:26.040 it's quite intense work. And then I'll finish work, maybe 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:29.480 drop the last child home somewhere in Melton, then have 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:33.879 to drive all the way to nickel Ham or Bandura 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:36.639 for a studio session that starts at six o'clock. And 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:39.560 I'm there till maybe like eleven twelve, sometimes even one 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:42.200 or two. I'm driving at home, I'm getting there, probably 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:44.280 haven't had dinner, so I have to cook something up 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:48.080 really quickly in the bed, up again next day to work. 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:51.520 And if I have a show or something that's rehearsals, 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:54.680 that's time after work that you have to put in. 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:57.600 Sometimes it's like writing. And not only that, because I'm 0:19:57.600 --> 0:20:03.440 also an independent artist. There's emails invoices, someone said they're 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:05.800 not someone said they're not available on this rehearsal days 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:08.679 to find another one. Okay, where are we rehearsing? What 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:11.560 are we rehearsing? What's the set list? What order is 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:14.399 the set list? How are we going to communicate with 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:17.440 a person on the ground, Like it's just a never 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:20.679 ending list of things to do? Can I ask you? 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:23.720 Because we are recording this at the top of the year, right, 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:26.600 And you know, I think a lot of us, especially 0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:30.280 from our background, we have dual interest, right. We have 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:32.960 what we studied or the work, the ninety fives, whatever, 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:35.800 but we also like this podcast. It's it's it's it's 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:38.359 a passion project for a man and I we love it. 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:39.800 We do it with our whole heart. 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:42.480 And sometimes you always reach the point where like what 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:43.320 am I doing this for? 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:43.720 WHI? 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:45.919 Or like how do I continue? And I and I 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:48.040 hear you speaking about doing your work during the day 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:50.280 and then at night having to you know, do your 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:53.960 other work. How what advice would you give someone who's 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:57.760 maybe thinking, Jeanetta, I'm done, it's too much. I'm gonna 0:20:57.800 --> 0:21:00.600 throw in the towel, Like balancing that what keeps you 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:02.400 going and what do you have to remember to keep 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:04.640 going in those moments where you get home after work, 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:07.600 maybe it was a rough day and then the last 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:09.199 thing you want to do is try to write a 0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:12.639 song that's positive. I mean, you don't have to limit yourself, 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:15.320 I'm sure, but I'm just saying like in that moment, 0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:17.640 you're not thinking about that, You're thinking, I just want 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:19.680 to escape watch Netflix. 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:24.200 So advice that I would give to someone who's ready 0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:28.399 to give up, yeah, I think always going back to 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:31.639 reflecting on your why. Like for me, like my faith 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:33.840 is a big part of it. So I always have 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:36.040 to remind myself like God gave me this gift and 0:21:36.080 --> 0:21:38.920 I have to keep going. This is only the beginning, 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:41.879 Like not to despise the small beginnings. It's going to 0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:44.440 be tough, like anything that you do, and you want 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:48.280