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Speaker 1: Now, as we've just heard, the long awaited findings and

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Speaker 1: recommendations following an almost three year inquiry into the twenty

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Speaker 1: nineteen police shooting of kumen Jai Walker were handed down

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Speaker 1: by the Northern Territory Coroner yesterday. There were thirty two

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Speaker 1: recommendations handed down as part of her well as part

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Speaker 1: of a summary of her twelve chapter, six hundred page

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Speaker 1: findings into the death. Joining us on the show is

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Speaker 1: the Opposition leader Selena Rubo. Good morning to you, Selena.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you Katie.

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Speaker 1: Selena. What was your reaction to the findings handed down yesterday?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Katie, it's really important. Territorians have been

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Speaker 2: waiting for quite some time to see what the coroner's

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Speaker 2: in quest would produce. Obviously a very large document, thirty

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Speaker 2: two recommendations, which my team and I have been working through.

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Speaker 2: I've been speaking with my colleague Chancey Paik, the Memphi

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Speaker 2: Goyja who is the local member for Yindamuk Commune. He's

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Speaker 2: been out there yesterday as the coroner handed down her

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Speaker 2: findings and recommendations and so I've been speaking with him

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Speaker 2: just around how the community is feeling. Obviously, there were

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Speaker 2: police present as well just to see I guess sort

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Speaker 2: of where to from here. So that's sort of really important.

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Speaker 2: I think now, Katie, that after this big, long awaited

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Speaker 2: wait for the coroner's findings, what's going to happen now?

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Speaker 2: I understand that the colp government's just released a statement

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Speaker 2: welcoming the findings. No indication yet will they take up recommendations.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they'll be working through that, but I'll think

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Speaker 2: it'll be a very pivotal moment for the government to

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Speaker 2: see what they'll do with these findings and where they'll

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Speaker 2: approach the community safety aspects and some of those changes

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Speaker 2: that are recommended in the finding.

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Speaker 1: Selena, were any of the recommendations a surprise to you?

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Speaker 1: I think that a lot of as sort of you know,

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Speaker 1: if you've been following the coronial inquest over recent years,

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Speaker 1: you know there was nothing that sort of came through

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Speaker 1: yesterday that hadn't been covered, I guess to some degree

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Speaker 1: by the coroner it was, but it was certainly a

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Speaker 1: putting together of all of that information and coming through

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Speaker 1: with those recommendations.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, I think that's a very fair summary. I

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Speaker 2: think putting the pieces of the puzzle together what we've

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Speaker 2: been hearing over the last couple of years since the

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Speaker 2: coronal inquest has been underway, and I think a very

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Speaker 2: clear step and approach with those recommendations, and I think

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Speaker 2: it really is exactly what you said, a very explicit

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Speaker 2: kind of pathway forward. So I don't think anything controversial

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Speaker 2: necessarily in the findings. I know that the coroner's statement

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Speaker 2: was quite quite forward and direct, but in terms of

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Speaker 2: the recommendations, I think that they've been very fair and

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Speaker 2: quite sensible, and I think very forward thinking as well.

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Armitage did say yesterday, having considered all the evidence,

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Speaker 1: including mister Rolf's explanations and justifications, I found that mister

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Speaker 1: Rolf was racist and that he worked in and was

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Speaker 1: the beneficiary of an organization with hallmarks of institutional racism. Selena,

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Speaker 1: do you have concerns that there is institutional racism within

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Police Force?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, I think to coroner sort of stepped out

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Speaker 2: three types of processes when it comes to all I

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Speaker 2: guess concepts when it comes to understanding the impact of racism,

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Speaker 2: and those sort of three levels of things that she

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Speaker 2: spoke about in her statement, they weren't specifically put through

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Speaker 2: I don't think in the recommendations in the same way

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Speaker 2: as her statement spoke about, so I think that's also

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Speaker 2: the opportunity to look at processes of change for the better.

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Speaker 2: I think it's probably a big affirmation in a way

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Speaker 2: that there needs to be more done. I think this

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Speaker 2: will be the critical time to see what the government

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Speaker 2: adopts and the ways forward, and to be really proactive

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Speaker 2: about it, because you know, it's about the safety of

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Speaker 2: the territory. We want to make sure our police continue

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Speaker 2: to be supported, want to make sure our communities feel safe,

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Speaker 2: and are there ways forward. I think that this will

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Speaker 2: be the opportune time to move forward together.

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Speaker 1: Selena, we know that the coroner also outlined much of

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Speaker 1: Kumen Jay Walker's you know, final years of his life

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Speaker 1: and spoke about the fact that he had been in

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Speaker 1: and out of you know, of the care I guess,

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Speaker 1: or the you know, in and out of the justice system.

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Speaker 1: I mean. Looking at this and the fact that it

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Speaker 1: has happened over a number of years, many of those

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Speaker 1: years were under the former Labor government. Do you think

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Speaker 1: that more could have been done, you know, in the

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Speaker 1: year's past to try to prevent this from happening.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie. I think when it comes to supporting a

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Speaker 2: young person on the right track, there always could be

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Speaker 2: more done. I think processes, whether they're individual, whether the community,

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Speaker 2: family base, whether they're institutional or systematic, I think all

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Speaker 2: of the processes. When we see something that's culminated in

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Speaker 2: you know, Coleman J. Walker and the circumstances that led

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Speaker 2: up to his death, I think then, you know, unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: to move forward, we do have to learn what we

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Speaker 2: can do better, not just in an individual and community sense,

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Speaker 2: but that systematic sense as well. I think this is

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Speaker 2: again something that highlights some of those flaws. Whether it's

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Speaker 2: a labor government or cop government, it's about making sure

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Speaker 2: a young person does find themselves supported and on the

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Speaker 2: right track.

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Speaker 1: Selena. In terms of the recommendations, do Labor support all

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Speaker 1: of those?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, O, Katie. I think the initial look at them,

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Speaker 2: we're comfortable to say that we support the thirty two recommendations. Again,

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Speaker 2: having only just sort of seen them yesterday. We'll be

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Speaker 2: looking at them with fresh eyes throughout the week and

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Speaker 2: of course seeing other positive ways forward that we could

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Speaker 2: support the government to adopt some of those recommendations quickly.

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Speaker 2: Are there things in principle that will need to be

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Speaker 2: worked through. We're very open to working with the government,

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Speaker 2: but at Labour's initial look at it, it doesn't seem

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Speaker 2: very controversial in terms of each of the recommendations and

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Speaker 2: we do want to support the government again, believing this

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Speaker 2: is a critical time that we can all move forward together.

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Speaker 1: Before I let you go. On Friday, the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: government announced a crackdown on youth crime, expanding the list

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Speaker 1: of offenses for which youth must be sent to court,

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Speaker 1: including driving stolen cars, heat and runs, break in, serious harm, offending,

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Speaker 1: and assaults on frontline workers. Youth charged with those crimes

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Speaker 1: will no longer going to be eligible for youth diversion.

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Speaker 1: Do you support that announcement?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, we were looking at that announcement and I

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Speaker 2: think it's reasonable to move forward again with talking about

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Speaker 2: community safety. You want make to make sure that people

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Speaker 2: are safe in the community, young people and adults alike.

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Speaker 2: If you do the wrong thing, you need to face

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Speaker 2: the consequences. Understanding what some of those nuances are within

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Speaker 2: the court discretion around diversion as well as police discretion

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Speaker 2: around diversion, and if it's made more clear and I

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Speaker 2: think that's helpful for everybody.

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Speaker 1: Well, Selena Rubo, opposition leader, I'll let you go. Thank

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Speaker 1: you very much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Katie, thank you