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Speaker 1: Me.

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Speaker 2: In the studio right now is David Chirrovolo, who is

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Speaker 2: indeed the CEO of the Amateur Fishermen's Association of the

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Speaker 2: Northern Territory. Good morning to you, David.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, and good morning listeners.

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Speaker 2: I think the only person busier than me this morning

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Speaker 2: might be you. You've got the AGM on this evening and

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Speaker 2: no doubt plenty up for discussion.

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Speaker 1: It's always a frantic day, which is part of a

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Speaker 1: frantic week when we have the ADM, but it's a

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Speaker 1: really important one tonight, a great opportunity for people interested

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Speaker 1: in fishing to come along and find out about some

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Speaker 1: of the biggest issues that are impacting on territory fishing

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 2: And hasn't there been a losh really throughout this year?

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Speaker 2: You know, intertitle fishing access, new policy for wet season

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Speaker 2: water harvest, the port plans for Elizabeth River. They are

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Speaker 2: just some of the issues that are going to be

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Speaker 2: covered off tonight, aren't they.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. So we're going to have a couple of ministers there.

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Speaker 1: We've got Minister Paul Kirby, Minister for Fisheries and Agribusiness,

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Speaker 1: Minister Selling the UBO, Minister for Indigenous Affairs coming and

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Speaker 1: talking about the governments commitments to fishing and also those

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Speaker 1: Bloomer Bay negotiations. As we know, fishes have been locked

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Speaker 1: out of a number of really popular areas and there

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Speaker 1: are a number of looming threats on the horizon there too.

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Speaker 1: We've got senior bureaucrats coming to present on the surface

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Speaker 1: water flows policy. Surface water flows drive the Barrel Munday fishery,

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Speaker 1: so it's really important that we have conservative management in

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Speaker 1: the future. There'll be a detailed presentation on that and

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Speaker 1: people can find out how they can get involved and

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Speaker 1: have their say. And of course the Middle Arms Sustainable

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Speaker 1: Development Precinct, which people might not realize from the name,

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Speaker 1: actually involves building port facilities in the mouth of the

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth River, an area that's very popular with recreational fishes,

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Speaker 1: and that will involve quite a lot of dredging. So

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Speaker 1: again opportunity to come in get the information from the experts,

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Speaker 1: but also to ask questions.

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Speaker 2: David, fishing is a real way of life, I think

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Speaker 2: you'd have to say for so many territorianes. There's a

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Speaker 2: lot of people, you know, it's their job as well.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of businesses, a lot of

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Speaker 2: tool groups, etc. That are based around fishing. It's a

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Speaker 2: huge part of what we as territories really identify as

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Speaker 2: being us being ourselves. And this morning we heard from

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Speaker 2: Bill Yan he was on the show raising concerns about

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Speaker 2: Shady Camp. Now, I'd questioned him whether he was fear

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Speaker 2: mongering here or whether this was political game playing, But

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Speaker 2: what is the situation right now with Shady Camp?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish he was raising unnecessary concern but that's

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Speaker 1: not the case.

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Speaker 3: There are real concerns around Shady Camp.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, we worked really hard to try to put a

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Speaker 1: potential detriment to fishes on the record for the day,

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Speaker 1: for the Shady Camp, but also the rest of the

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Speaker 1: Mary system. We had nearly two thousand people recreational fishes

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Speaker 1: participate in a survey where they self reported, and unfortunately

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Speaker 1: that evidence was rejected by the Aboriginal Land Commissioner who

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Speaker 1: thought that it wouldn't be procedurally fair to the traditional

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Speaker 1: an opportunity and invitation from the federal Aboriginal Affairs Minister

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Speaker 3: We've done that.

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Speaker 1: That was an opportunity for us to send that information

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Speaker 1: again firsthand. You know some things in that report, like

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Speaker 1: when in the definition of sporadic is you know, uncommon

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Speaker 1: and irregular, when in actual fact you see fishing off

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Speaker 1: It's most days of the year that didn't hit the mark,

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Speaker 1: and that we've got real concerns that if the land

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Speaker 1: into two hundred and thirty seven meters of an Aboriginal

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Speaker 1: land claim before the rest of the day's fishing is

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Speaker 1: done outside in public orders. And the minister said, well,

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Speaker 1: normally we would wait to do a negotiation with the

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Speaker 3: But she's not minded to wait.

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Speaker 1: And so it is very very concerning, and it is

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Speaker 2: How is the Northern Territory government not consulting with the

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Speaker 3: To have well.

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Speaker 1: On the one hand, I think, to be fair, this

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Speaker 1: legitimately take time. But we also need to hear from

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Speaker 1: that it could play to mediate a good result for

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Speaker 1: everybody here. We're not against the recognition of traditional ownership.

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Speaker 1: We've been very very clear on that, and the law

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Speaker 1: will be very very clear that it will be up

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Speaker 1: to tos to decide what happens with their waters. But

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Speaker 1: these are the same traditional owners in many cases who

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Speaker 1: are managing the Mery River National Park in joint authority

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Speaker 1: would really hate to see that Territorians end up in

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Speaker 1: tremendous heartache and get completely alienated from some of the

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Speaker 1: are not doing what they can when they can.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, we've got messages coming through on this very topic.

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Speaker 2: I've got one here from Mary in Humpty Doo. She'd said,

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Speaker 2: good morning, Katie, regarding Shady Camp. If there was no usage,

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Speaker 2: why did the Northern Territory government spend millions to upgrade

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Speaker 2: the ramp and the car park in recent years. That

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Speaker 2: was Mary obviously making that comment. One from Cam from

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Speaker 2: the Do and he said, if I can't fish Shady

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Speaker 2: I'm selling up, shutting my business and moving. I'm already

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Speaker 2: not allowed to fish my favorite spots, Mini Mini and

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Speaker 2: Little Phinis River. Enough's enough, reckons Cam.

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Speaker 3: Well, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, it's not a surprise for me to hear those

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Speaker 1: all the time. This is becoming an increasingly emotive issue

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Speaker 1: These are places where people have made their memories with

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Speaker 1: doing it tough. They have lost more access than ever before.

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Speaker 1: We recognize traditional owners' rights This is not the question.

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Speaker 3: The question here.

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Speaker 1: It's very very clear that traditional owners will decide what

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Speaker 1: and saying, Hey, when Aboriginal people were locked out of

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Speaker 1: How can it be now that we have other landowners

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Speaker 3: Is not making progress.

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Speaker 1: It It beggars belief that this is stalled so badly,

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Speaker 1: and it's creating division. It's creating the sentiments that you're

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Speaker 1: hearing where people are saying, well, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: the territory is for me anymore. And that might have

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Speaker 1: sounded dramatic at some point, but now that people are

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Speaker 3: That's what real people are saying.

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Speaker 2: And look, I know that some people listening, you know,

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Speaker 2: some may not go out fishing, and it may not

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Speaker 2: be a big concern to them, but others listening this morning,

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Speaker 2: maybe Avid Fishers, they'd head out there all the time,

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Speaker 2: out to Shady Camp all the time, and are actually

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Speaker 2: going to be pretty surprised by what you and I

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Speaker 2: are actually discussing right now.

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Speaker 1: So look, of course it matters the most to fishes,

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Speaker 1: but it shouldn't matter only to fishes. It should matter

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Speaker 1: to everybody who cares about having a harmonious territory, a

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Speaker 1: place that we can live in and share together, and

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Speaker 1: where it gets tested.

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Speaker 2: David, is this shady Camp issue going to be a

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Speaker 2: late inclusion to the AGM tonight?

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Speaker 1: Well, look, certainly bloom my Bay into title access and

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Speaker 1: land claims.

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Speaker 3: We're already a very big part of it.

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Speaker 1: The CLP have certainly raised this issue today and this

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Speaker 1: will be discussed tonight. I have absolutely no doubt. Look, Katie,

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Speaker 1: I would implore anybody who is interested in this to

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Speaker 1: come along tonight. Tonight's the opportunity to find out as

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Speaker 1: much information as you possibly can, to hear from the

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Speaker 1: ministers responsible and from the government and to ask the

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Speaker 1: questions that are burning in their minds. So look, it's

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Speaker 1: tonight at six o'clock. Registrations begin at five point fifteen.

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Speaker 1: All are welcome, and we strongly encourage any recreational fishes

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Speaker 1: who are interested about this issue or obviously access, but

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Speaker 1: also the developments in the harbor, also the developments on

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Speaker 1: the water policy to come along and we hope to

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Speaker 1: see that tonight. Drinks on arrival and some nibbles.

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Speaker 2: Where is it exactly, David remind us.

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Speaker 1: It's at the Travel Lodge on Kavanaugh Street. That's a

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Speaker 1: very critical detail. You've got to go to the right place,

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Speaker 1: so that's in the CBD. It's a fairly convenient location there,

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Speaker 1: so it's at the Travel Lodge on Cavanas Street.

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Speaker 2: Well, David Girovolo, it's always good to catch up with you.

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Speaker 2: We might have to catch up with you in the

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Speaker 2: coming days to find out how it's all gone as well,

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Speaker 2: and to hopefully you get some progress when it comes

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Speaker 2: to this shady camp issue. But I know that there's

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Speaker 2: plenty of issues, as you've pointed out, bubbling along right now,

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Speaker 2: so we always appreciate you coming in having a chat

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Speaker 1: Thanks, so much, Katie, and people can jump on our

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Speaker 1: Facebook page to get the event details if they need

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Speaker 1: to hear them again.

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Speaker 2: Perfect.

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Speaker 3: Good on you, David, thanks so much,