1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: Bunjelung Calcottin woman from Gadigal Country. The Daily oz acknowledges 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: Strait Island and nations. We pay our respects to the 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: first peoples of these countries, both past and present. 7 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It's Thursday, 8 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: the twenty ninth of June. I'm Nina and I'm Tom 9 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 2: standing in for the bosses, Tom tech in Control. The 10 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: New South Wales corruption watchdog will today release its findings 11 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: into its investigation of former New South Wales Premier gladysbury Jiiclian. 12 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 2: And we're talking here about the corruption investigation that saw 13 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 2: Beajiiclian step down in twenty twenty one. 14 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 3: Once dubbed the woman who saved Australia, ultimately Gladys Spirogiiclian 15 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 3: couldn't save her own job. 16 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: Gladys Burro Jiclian today's sensationally resigning after almost five years 17 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:00,639 Speaker 1: as premiere. 18 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 2: Over a year and a half later, we're expecting the 19 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: findings from that investigation today, But in the meantime we 20 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 2: thought it was a good opportunity to go back and 21 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: look at how we got to this point in the 22 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 2: first place. But first tom, what's making news this morning. 23 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 3: A parliamentary committee says it's in favor of banning all 24 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 3: ads for online gambling and all inducements that means multis 25 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 3: bonus bets and early cash outs. The committee recommended phasing 26 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 3: the ban in over the next three years, but the 27 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 3: federal government has avoided committing to a position. 28 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 2: Inflation rates have slowed to a thirteen month low according 29 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 2: to the Australian Bureau of Statistics. Prices rose by five 30 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 2: point six percent for the month of May, down from 31 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: six point eight percent in April. The figures could influence 32 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: the cash rate, which will be determined by the Reserve 33 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 2: Bank on Tuesday. 34 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 3: Convicted murderer Chris Dawson has been found guilty of an 35 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 3: unlawful sexual relationship with one of his former school students 36 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 3: in the nineteen eighties. Dawson was sentenced last year to 37 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 3: a minimum of eighteen years behind bars for killing his wife, Lynette. 38 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 3: He'll face sentencing for Wednesday's verdict in September. 39 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 2: And the good news a woman has scaled all the 40 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 2: mountains in Scotland in record time. Jamie Aarrons climbed two 41 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: hundred and eighty two mountains in thirty one days and 42 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 2: ten hours, breaking the previous record by over twelve hours. 43 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: She scales the equivalent of Mount Everest sixteen times. 44 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 3: I'm gonna say it, Nina, that's too many mountains. 45 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 2: Tom Today we're expecting IKAK that's the New South Wales 46 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 2: corruption watchdog, to release their findings into an investigation into 47 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 2: the former New South Wales Premier gladys Bury Jiclian. This 48 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 2: has been a long time coming. It's a story we've 49 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 2: been following for a while and I thought this morning 50 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 2: it was a really good chance to go back and 51 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 2: look at how this all started before we get the 52 00:02:58,280 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 2: latest update. 53 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 3: It has been so that such a long time, hasn't 54 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 3: It feels like a different universe. Back when gladys Burgiclan resigned, 55 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 3: Melbourne and Sydney were both in lockdowns, and it just 56 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 3: feels like a lifetime has passed since then. So take 57 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 3: us back, Nina, when did this story all start? 58 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 2: So we go back to twenty eighteen and it doesn't 59 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 2: even start with Gladys spiagically In herself, but actually with 60 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 2: a new South Wales Member of Parliament called Daryl McGuire. 61 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 2: So in twenty eighteen, McGuire was being investigated by KAK 62 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 2: over claims of serious corrupt conduct and he wasn't the 63 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 2: only one being investigated at that time. So he allegedly 64 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 2: connected Sydney property developers with a large Chinese firm and 65 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: that he then profited from those deals. Secret phone recordings 66 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 2: played during KAK investigations revealed him trying to organize this 67 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 2: personal cash, this personal profit for himself in return for 68 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: a quick sale of land. McGuire went on to resign 69 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: from his position as MP at the request of Bergicallyan 70 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 2: and other front benches. 71 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 3: So we get Gladys Berygicallian asking Daryl maguire to resign, 72 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 3: But we've got to get from Darryl then to Gladys 73 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 3: herself becoming involved in these corruption allegations. What's the bridge there? 74 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 2: Well, So, as I mentioned, there was this investigation, this 75 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 2: IQAQ investigation into McGuire during his time in a Sydney 76 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 2: local council, but then a new AIKAK inquiry into McGuire's 77 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 2: conduct reveals that he was in a so called personal 78 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 2: relationship with Barry Jicklian for five years. She actually was 79 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: the one who revealed the nature of their relationship when 80 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,799 Speaker 2: she was providing testimony during that inquiry in twenty twenty, 81 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 2: and there were text messages and phone recordings which were 82 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,799 Speaker 2: gathered by AKAK which raised questions over whether Barry Jicklian 83 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 2: knew about McGuire's alleged corrupt conduct. So AKAK then turned 84 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: their investigation onto Bearajicklian and whether or not she knew 85 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 2: what was going on or even helped him with his 86 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 2: corrupt deals. 87 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 3: So I guess important to emphasize there right that it's 88 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 3: not the existence of a personal relationship between maguire and 89 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 3: Veryticlian that creates the problem. But the question I CAC 90 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 3: starts asking is what did Cladys particularly no givnties in 91 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 3: this relationship. And as you say, they start asking that 92 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty, but it's late twenty twenty one when 93 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 3: she resigns, So what happens between those two points. 94 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 2: So it was actually at the point that KAK announced 95 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: they would also be investigating her that she made the 96 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 2: decision to step down, and as you rightly said, it 97 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 2: wasn't the fact that there were two consensual adults having 98 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: a relationship that was the issue. It was the question 99 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 2: of what she knew and whether or not she was 100 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 2: involved in those alleged acts of corruption. When she announced 101 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 2: her resignation, she made it really clear it wasn't what 102 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 2: she wanted to do, but that she felt it was 103 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 2: important to do so to maintain the integrity of the 104 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 2: role of premiere. 105 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 4: Resigning at this time is against every instinct in my 106 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 4: being and something which I do not want to do. 107 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 4: I love my job and I love serving the community, 108 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 4: but I have been given no option. Following the statement 109 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 4: that's been issued today. 110 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 2: Bara Jicklian said she didn't know how long the AKAC 111 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 2: investigation would last or when her final report would be released, 112 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 2: but had decided to resign as Premier in the meantime, 113 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 2: again to kind of maintain that integrity. 114 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 3: It's so interesting, isn't it, Because I guess we go 115 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 3: back to Daryl Maguire standing down and the practice that 116 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 3: Barry Jickleian in general followed with her ministers when they 117 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 3: were being investigated by ikaq As. I remember it was 118 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 3: you stand down while the investigations going on, and if 119 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,799 Speaker 3: you get cleared, you can come back. But being the premier, 120 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 3: I guess she couldn't. You couldn't have had that hanging 121 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 3: over her head through lockdowns, through an election, you know, 122 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 3: will Gladys come back or will she won't? And so yeah, 123 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 3: I mean the reluctance. I remember that really clearly, how 124 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 3: reluctant she sounded to be going when she made that 125 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 3: speech back in twenty twenty one. And here we are 126 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 3: almost two years later. We still haven't seen the final report. 127 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 3: We're going to get it today, but there has been 128 00:06:56,320 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 3: a lot of public investigation, public hearings in the meantime. 129 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 3: What have we learnt from all of that? 130 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was definitely an interesting inquiry to watch unfold. 131 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 2: One of the things that came out is that while 132 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 2: Baragicklian had told her staff is that her relationship with 133 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 2: maguire had ended back in twenty seventeen, the relationship had 134 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: actually continued on into twenty twenty. The investigation also heard 135 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 2: that when IKAC started looking at McGuire's behavior, he told 136 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 2: Barry Jicklian to get a private phone and to download 137 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 2: the encrypted messaging app we chat. At one point the 138 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: investigation heard a taped call where Maguire was telling Barry 139 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 2: Jicklian about the accusations against him, and she said, I 140 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 2: don't want to know about that stuff. Through all of 141 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: this Sparagiclian maintained that she didn't know what was going on, 142 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 2: and even after Maguire gave evidence in twenty eighteen, she 143 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 2: said she didn't believe that he had knowingly engaged in 144 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 2: corrupt conduct. She told Ikak, I assumed everything he was 145 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 2: caught up in was something that was unintentional and he 146 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 2: wasn't aware of everything going on around him. One element 147 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 2: of all of this in terms of what she knew 148 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 2: about what he was doing and when. But there's another part, 149 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: which is about the fact that she didn't disclose her 150 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 2: relationship with Maguire, and she said it was something in 151 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: my personal life and we didn't share anything in common 152 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 2: apart from that close personal relationship. 153 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want to know about all that stuff. 154 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 3: That really became the immortal line of the whole inquiry. 155 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 3: I think that one. It raises so many interesting questions 156 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 3: about ministerial codes of conduct and declaration of relationships. When 157 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 3: is personal business public business? I guess the question that 158 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 3: stands out to me, Nina, is why on earth has 159 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 3: this taken so long? It has been, as I say, 160 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 3: nearly two years since Gladys verticularly and resigned. Why did 161 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 3: the investigation process take such a long time. 162 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 2: That's definitely a question that other people have been asking two, 163 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: namely politicians and those who've spoken out in defense of Brygicallyian, 164 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: seeing that the delay has been really unfair on her, 165 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 2: that she hasn't been able to put matters to rest. 166 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 2: We were supposed to receive the commission's findings last year, 167 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 2: but it was delayed twice and the reason given was 168 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 2: quote complex matters of law and fact. But in the meantime, Tom, 169 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 2: we have had a few kind of concurrent developments. This week, 170 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 2: Daryl Maguire was charged with giving false and misleading evidence 171 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 2: to IKAK in that first investigation he was facing that 172 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 2: kicked all of this off. So there have been some 173 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 2: other events bubbling away in the background. 174 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 3: All right, so talk me through today then, I mean, 175 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 3: depending on what time you're listening to this podcast, it 176 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 3: may be that the final report of IKAK has already 177 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 3: come out. And if it has, then maybe you'll catch 178 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 3: a breakdown of it on the TDA instagram. But talk 179 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 3: us through what we should expect, Nina, what's it going 180 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 3: to look like today? 181 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I think it's important to say that this 182 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 2: isn't a court of law. Iqaq's not charging anyone in 183 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 2: a legal sense. Instead, what is going to happen is 184 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 2: that IQAQ will make findings and recommendations, which they then 185 00:09:55,960 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 2: present to Parliament. The Commissioner of IKAK can make findings 186 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 2: against the people it investigated though, so they could, for example, 187 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 2: say they found no corruption, or they found serious corruption, 188 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 2: or that there was a breach of ministerial coach. So 189 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 2: those kind of policies guiding how members of Parliament and 190 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 2: the premier should act. So as well as making those findings, 191 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 2: it can also make recommendations for changes to how the 192 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 2: political system works to avoid these incidents of corruption happening again. 193 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 2: So I guess we'll have to wait and see Tom, 194 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 2: and I know you'll be keeping a keen eye on 195 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 2: it to update all of the TVA followers as soon 196 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 2: as we know what they found. 197 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 4: I will. 198 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 3: It's going to be an interesting day, as you say, 199 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 3: a long time coming and fascinating timing really because of course, 200 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 3: the federal version of ICAC begins its operation on the weekend. 201 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 3: I think, so an interesting time to be reflecting on 202 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 3: the way these bodies work and some of the kind 203 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 3: of complex and often very public processes that can be involved. 204 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 3: Wonder what we will see a federal IKAK investigate. 205 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 2: And I think I had this, but I had forgotten 206 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 2: the fact that Gladys spiogically and was I think the 207 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 2: third premiere to resign in the face of EYKAC discoveries. 208 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 2: So it really does make you wonder what this federal 209 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 2: investigation body is going to find and whether it'll have 210 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 2: the same kind of consequences for prime ministers in the 211 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 2: near future. 212 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 4: Well. 213 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,959 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I think so much of that is going 214 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 3: to come down to the question of how much of 215 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 3: the work of the National Commission is going to be 216 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 3: done in public. That was a big debate in the 217 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 3: federal system when this law was being passed to establish 218 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 3: a National Corruption Commission. I remember Scott Morrison quite specifically 219 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 3: referring to gladysburiatically and as a reason why he didn't 220 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 3: think the hearing should always be public. I know that 221 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 3: Victoria's version has a much higher bar for public hearings 222 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 3: and as a result. You know, there was a hearing 223 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 3: into Daniel Andrews recently that we didn't know about until 224 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 3: it was reported in the media. So it's such an 225 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 3: interesting balance and yeah, as you say, very very interesting 226 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 3: to see what would happen if a current or former 227 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 3: Prime minister ended up investigated. Thank you for joining us 228 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 3: on the Daily OZ. If you learn something from today's episode, 229 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 3: don't forget to hit subscribe so that there's a TDA 230 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 3: episode waiting for you every weekday morning. We'll be back 231 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 3: again tomorrow with Salmon Zarah I'm sure. Until then, have 232 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 3: a great day.