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Speaker 1: So yeah, no good advice, Yeah, Kate, Where can people

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Speaker 2: So we are on Instagram on at Underscore the Hardman's

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Speaker 2: or Facebook is the Hardman's, So yeah, follow along. It's

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Speaker 1: So yeah, the followers, yeah, which is really good, Like

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Speaker 2: I think it is, but yeah, it's It's been really good,

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Speaker 2: so hopefully we can keep spreading the word and spreading

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Speaker 2: the love.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, Kate. It is lovely to speak to you

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Speaker 1: this morning. Thank you so much, very much, Studio. I

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